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Mike Finnegan’s new 21 Daytona!!

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It was on the 18’ gullwing with the MPD set up. I think we took out the red insert. We were running out of studder, any more and the boat was going to lose its set we thought, so we pulled the insert all together thinking it would be a decent change. But it went from like a 8.93 to an 8.98. Ended up breaking out:
That is wild. I’ve seen as much as a 2 mph gain on a 75 mph boat by changing the insert. Guess every boat really is different. :)
Andy’s pop-off looks money sitting back there. You doing Big River again?
I wish it was an inch shorter so it the top of it wasn't so close to the transom. Aside from that, it's a beautiful part.
 

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Boat is clean and looks killer. Are you trailering it all the way out here or having it shipped? My triple axle dolly is so stout, I wouldn't hesitate hauling it all the way across country.
 

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Been hard at work on the boat. Have a firm deadline for a family vacation to the river so it will be in the water soon. Turbo system is just about wrapped up. Just finished building the right side fuel tank. Very little fabrication left to do aside from the throttle linkage, another fuel cell and other small brackets. Then it’s time for wiring and plumbing. I didn’t want to put a lot of holes in the boat so I mounted an AEM digital dash to the steering column. Won’t be Dyno testing the engine. We’ll tune it with the laptop the when water testing.

Watched the episode where you were installing the intake and discussing it.

That thing is one beautiful piece of art.

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Not enough seat for the wife yet.
 

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You running a neutral bucket on the "wife's boat" too?
 

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Awesome @cyclone . If I ever built a new gullwing I want to do a strong LS under a hatch. Maybe no turbos but 7-800hp maybe a procharger would be plenty fun.
 

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21’ Daytona is the best riding boat for the lower river, glad to see they popped a new one.
 

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@cyclone


Something about the 21 Daytona makes them prone to the jet pump not wanting to prime. I’ve sat on boat ramps trying all manner of things trying to get suction.

My second one, I had Duane Oblander at Hi-Tech build me a pump. I had him put a “vent-a-Jet” on it. Solves all the suction/prime issues.
I had the same problem with a boat I built years ago....before I knew about Duane. I just drilled a small (.040"?) hole in the top of the bowl and then drilled to 3/8" deep enough to put some pipe threads in it for an elbow so it didn’t look like a damn wave runner. Worked fine. A 0.040" leak isn't enough to effect performance.
 
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Looking great! New jet boat episodes coming soon?
 

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@cyclone hey Finnegan...I have the same Corvette. If you want to drop the rear it’s easy...longer bolts on the uni spring. NOT SOFTER SPRING. Hit me up if I can help!
 

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well, she finally runs. got about 20 other minor details to wrap up, then its time to water test and then off to Big River for Father's Day Weekend. hoping there's no major issues cause I'll have about 4 days between now and the road trip to AZ to fix anything that doesn't work. lol

 

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Good luck Mike! She's turning out badass! Been keeping up on your YouTube channel 👍🍻
 

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I see the wife's seat, but where is your seat? 😜
 

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Here's to hoping for minimal if any issues so you can get her wet and have a fun summer. 🍻
 

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well, she finally runs. got about 20 other minor details to wrap up, then its time to water test and then off to Big River for Father's Day Weekend. hoping there's no major issues cause I'll have about 4 days between now and the road trip to AZ to fix anything that doesn't work. lol

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14 circuits in a jetbote? What fer?

Looks clean....can't wait to see at BR
 

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whatever it takes! lol
Have you considered running a dump valve to regulate the water pressure to the engine from the pump. I run an industrial water steam pressure safety dump valve myself that is set to 15 psi. Once it hits that it opens and allows it shoot water out of a an-12 line I rigged too it.
 

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And also why aren’t you running an electronic boost controller vs all this spring swapping.
 

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Have you considered running a dump valve to regulate the water pressure to the engine from the pump. I run an industrial water steam pressure safety dump valve myself that is set to 15 psi. Once it hits that it opens and allows it shoot water out of a an-12 line I rigged too it.
Not to belabor the point but I agree with you. I have ALWAYS used a Circle Seal L500, 1/2 relief. It allows everything through, until 15 PSI, then the excess goes out the side of the boat. It is amazing to watch just how far that thing shoots water out. (On my Jets)

My concern with drilling an orifice is volume @ pressure. The 1/2 relief allows full port, 1/2 inch flow, at 15 PSI. Not my engine but I think 3/16" orifice is too little flow. It's been a while since I bought one, but I believe it is the L500. Regardless, the PSI desired is available.

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Not to belabor the point but I agree with you. I have ALWAYS used a Circle Seal L500, 1/2 relief. It allows everything through, until 15 PSI, then the excess goes out the side of the boat. It is amazing to watch just how far that thing shoots water out. (On my Jets)

My concern with drilling an orifice is volume @ pressure. The 1/2 relief allows full port, 1/2 inch flow, at 15 PSI. Not my engine but I think 3/16" orifice is too little flow. It's been a while since I bought one, but I believe it is the L500. Regardless, the PSI desired is available.

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I have it exit to the starboard side of the boat so I can look to the right and see it vent out under pressure and speed on the water. It does about 7-10 feet off at full sing
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This is what I run an Apollo brand




I have it exit to the starboard side of the boat so I can look to the right and see it vent out under pressure and speed on the water. It does about 7-10 feet off at full sing View attachment 1132842
I’ve always set my boats up to drive on port, but yea, 10-12 feet straight out.
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Have you considered running a dump valve to regulate the water pressure to the engine from the pump. I run an industrial water steam pressure safety dump valve myself that is set to 15 psi. Once it hits that it opens and allows it shoot water out of a an-12 line I rigged too it.
that's the plan. was just short on time/parts so I worked with what I have.
 

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If I can make it run on spring pressure I will. If I can't, then I'll set up a boost controller. The parts are there, we just have Time to plumb it.
In any case, thanks for taking us along on this build. Very much enjoyed it. 21 Daytona is my all time favorite boat
 

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If I can make it run on spring pressure I will. If I can't, then I'll set up a boost controller. The parts are there, we just have Time to plumb it.
My understanding from my turbomustang.com days is that running spring only you get more inconsistent and lower boost pressure at lower RPMs and then with a ebc. The ebc can apply pressure on the spring to force it closed till you need it too. Only time you want to use big springs is to fight creep and you are running a health waste gates setup with the proper angles so you should be great. Also make sure your wastegate valves are rated for lead fuel as well.


You could probably also do some trick stuff like gps vs boost ramp so you don’t launch the boat on full kill and ramp the boost up and make it easier on parts and the pump.
 

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My understanding from my turbomustang.com days is that running spring only you get more inconsistent and lower boost pressure at lower RPMs and then with a ebc. The ebc can apply pressure on the spring to force it closed till you need it too. Only time you want to use big springs is to fight creep and you are running a health waste gates setup with the proper angles so you should be great. Also make sure your wastegate valves are rated for lead fuel as well.


You could probably also do some trick stuff like gps vs boost ramp so you don’t launch the boat on full kill and ramp the boost up and make it easier on parts and the pump.
The great thing about running a huge impeller is cavitation isn't as big of an issue as it is when you run a small impeller. My other boat hole shots with 3psi of boost and doesn't cavitate because I run a AAA impeller in it. That boat has a boost controller, too, but I've yet to need to turn it on. It makes the target boost pressure 1 second into the run and stays there throughout the run. Not saying this boat won't need a controller but we'll have to see.
 

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It doesn’t matter where the throttle is as long as you’re packing air in the tunnels - it won’t slow down until the tunnels release the air under the boat - biggest difference between V and Tunnel - add an air packing device to the motor ( blower/turbo) it makes it that much more noticeable. You are correct, in a tunnel you need to plan to slow - problem is others on the lake don’t realize this - keep your eyes forward at speed - it takes WAY LONGER to slow / change direction over 80 mph - roughly where you get on the tunnels and are riding on air
 

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What size impeller does this 21’ have?


Also what does that dyno math out to the 4800 rpm it was running




The great thing about running a huge impeller is cavitation isn't as big of an issue as it is when you run a small impeller. My other boat hole shots with 3psi of boost and doesn't cavitate because I run a AAA impeller in it. That boat has a boost controller, too, but I've yet to need to turn it on. It makes the target boost pressure 1 second into the run and stays there throughout the run. Not saying this boat won't need a controller but we'll have to see
 

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It doesn’t matter where the throttle is as long as you’re packing air in the tunnels - it won’t slow down until the tunnels release the air under the boat - biggest difference between V and Tunnel - add an air packing device to the motor ( blower/turbo) it makes it that much more noticeable. You are correct, in a tunnel you need to plan to slow - problem is others on the lake don’t realize this - keep your eyes forward at speed - it takes WAY LONGER to slow / change direction over 80 mph - roughly where you get on the tunnels and are riding on air
That's true but what I was referring to was a different sensation...the engine rpm wasn't slowing down as I backed off the throttle. My other turbo boat does the same thing. It takes a big change in throttle blade opening percentage to affect the engine rpm once the turbos are spooled.
 

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That's true but what I was referring to was a different sensation...the engine rpm wasn't slowing down as I backed off the throttle. My other turbo boat does the same thing. It takes a big change in throttle blade opening percentage to affect the engine rpm once the turbos are spooled.
Couldn't an electronic boost controller help with that?
 

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@cyclone I have so many "Why" questions, mostly because I don't know high performance jets but I don't want to type them all out, so I will just ask one.... why did you decide to go with CO2 versus running electric actuators or even just compressed air with an engine driven conpressor?
 

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Couldn't an electronic boost controller help with that?
Perhaps. I think Pete Harrell explained it pretty well; Im shutting the throttle blade slightly but the turbos are already shoving more air into the engine than It can flow so even though I'm backing off the throttle, the engine rpm isn't dropping right away.
 

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@cyclone I have so many "Why" questions, mostly because I don't know high performance jets but I don't want to type them all out, so I will just ask one.... why did you decide to go with CO2 versus running electric actuators or even just compressed air with an engine driven conpressor?
I run Co2 because the delivery system is very simple; its just a 2.5 lb compressed air bottle and a solenoid valve. Compressed air requires a storage tank, electric compressor etc... its just more stuff taking up room in the boat and eating up precious amps from the charging system. I don't mind refilling the C02 bottle periodically and if there's ever a leak in the system and I end up with no Co2 I can still hold the jet drive bucket open with a bungee cord or the string off my swim trunks and a few smashed up beer cans stuffed inside the pop off valve will hold it closed. lol there's always a way to get back to the trailer if stuff goes wrong.
 

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I run Co2 because the delivery system is very simple; its just a 2.5 lb compressed air bottle and a solenoid valve. Compressed air requires a storage tank, electric compressor etc... its just more stuff taking up room in the boat and eating up precious amps from the charging system. I don't mind refilling the C02 bottle periodically and if there's ever a leak in the system and I end up with no Co2 I can still hold the jet drive bucket open with a bungee cord or the string off my swim trunks and a few smashed up beer cans stuffed inside the pop off valve will hold it closed. lol there's always a way to get back to the trailer if stuff goes wrong.
I totally understand making things work to get back to the trailer. My uncle's throttle cable broke once so we pulled the clamsheels off (Merc Outboard) and used the pulsating cord tied to the throttle arm while he sat in the back and my buddy was steering and shifting. My uncle thought it was hilarious to goose it with zero warning and watching my budy squirm.

How long does the CO2 typically last? Same set-up, more or less, as game over?
 

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Perhaps. I think Pete Harrell explained it pretty well; Im shutting the throttle blade slightly but the turbos are already shoving more air into the engine than It can flow so even though I'm backing off the throttle, the engine rpm isn't dropping right away.


Wonder if the tune could be modified that if you abruptly chop the throttle that it could cut engine ignition spark at the same time to help massively drop rpm for you.
 
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