Miami building collapse - Holy shit.

[rivermobster]

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Pics reportedly from pool contractor days prior.
Water and scaling of concrete in pics

I’m in no way blaming the pool, but evidence of water damage one way or anotjer

As for intentional blast pressure (commercial explosives/ blasting caps.

Sorry,
That’s a minimum of 500 lbs. of HE and hundreds of yards of 100 grain det cord, at least 50 commercial caps minimum to start that type of structure failure.
Too many security cameras to not see that being brought in and placed

@Joker

What do you see in these pics??

 

[LowRiver2]

Former maintenance worker says saltwater seeped through collapsed Miami condo's foundation during high tides

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Saltwater flooding into the parking garage for decades

As I said, water, especially saltwater, has tremendous effects on other materials over time.

 

[Joker]

@Joker

What do you see in these pics??

Excessive corrosion from salts.

 

[Joker]

this is all water intrusion from the ocean on our job in Newport. Same conditions.

 

[Joker]

i see this everyday on new buildings. The corrosion of rebar is happening on a daily basis.

 

[DWC]

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i see this everyday on new buildings. The corrosion of rebar is happening on a daily basis.

Do they use regular rebar in those builds?

 

[rivermobster]

Excessive corrosion from salts.

So anything that would be worthy of a building falling down?

 

[Joker]

Do they use regular rebar in those builds?

Yup, nothing is coated with epoxy. The cavities in these walls are big but somehow they pass inspection

 

[Joker]

So anything that would be worthy of a building falling down?

Yes, plus if their PT cables were failing that’s a big issue. Another project in Newport had the PT cables completely deteriorated to the point that only one strand was holding the cable together and the other 8 had failed. Did the owner fix them, no. Just patch and go.

 

[rivermobster]

Yes, plus if their PT cables were failing that’s a big issue. Another project in Newport had the PT cables completely deteriorated to the point that only one strand was holding the cable together and the other 8 had failed. Did the owner fix them, no. Just patch and go.

What's a PT cable?

 

[4Waters]

What's a PT cable?

X2

 

[rivermobster]

There is a novel series by Stephen King called The Dark Tower...

The main character is a gun slinger. Six shooter by his side, cowboy boots and all that.

But...

He exists in our future. He's walking around in his adventures and comes across relics like gas stations, amusement parks and all the things we have in our lives today, but, they are all rotted away.

Seems like this fictional story will definitely come true someday.

 

[bonesfab]

Post tension cables. The things you don't want to cut when cutting concrete.

 

[Bobby V]

What's a PT cable?

Post tension. They lay them out on the deck and after the pour they have a machine on the outside of the slab that pulls the cable tight. When we work in buildings that have PT cables we have to either x ray or scan the deck to drill hangers or core drill a hole.

 

[rrrr]

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Pics reportedly from pool contractor days prior.
Water and scaling of concrete in pics

Check out the pump in the foreground of the photo on the right. Look at the scale buildup, how long do you think that pump seal has been leaking?

 

[mbrown2]

Crazy...I was in South beach that morning it fell having breakfast when the news started making the rounds....can't imagine that happening... Lots of looking the other way...

 

[SoCalDave]

I heard on John and Ken this afternoon that there was a couple on vacation in the pool at a facility next door to the condo and heard a loud noise. They walked next door and filmed excessive water flowing from the ground level units or parking garage. Said they had video footage they shared with authorities??? Building collapsed about 5 minutes later.
I quick Google search and I did find anything...

 

[SoCalDave]

A little update that may hamper any further rescue attempts.
The comments about our leader at the end is spot on.

Exactly one week after the Champlain Towers South building collapsed, rescue crews early Thursday stopped work amid concerns that the remaining structure could topple. Also, South Florida is bracing for the possible arrival of a tropical storm later in the week that could affect the site.

The new challenges arose Thursday as President Joe Biden prepares to visit Surfside to meet with rescue workers, console grieving families and deliver remarks about what could be one of the nation’s deadliest building collapses.

So far, rescuers have recovered the bodies of 18 people, and say another 145 remain missing. Late Wednesday, Miami-Dade police identified two sisters, 10-year-old Lucia Guara and 4-year-old Emma Guara, as the latest victims in the condo collapse. Their parents also died.

At the Collins Avenue site of the Surfside condo collapse, the massive rescue effort — featuring specialized emergency workers from around the country and as far away as Mexico and Israel — had been continuing around the clock, through stifling heat and frequent rain storms. But work reportedly stopped early Thursday morning after authorities voiced new, urgent concerns that the remaining structure of the 12-story Champlain Towers South could topple.

After 2 a.m., multiple police officers and rescue personnel said they were hearing warnings the vacant building was shifting and the new instability could lead to another collapse. That led to clearing people from the area around the rescue operation, they said.

A crane that had been used to move debris all evening was still as 3 a.m. approached. Multiple police officers said work on the collapse site had stopped and the area was cleared. “It’s on stand-by right now,” one officer said. The two buildings on either side of the Champlain South were evacuated shortly after the June 24 collapse.

Before 9 a.m., Miami-Dade Fire Rescue hadn’t officially confirmed the work stoppage, but search-and-rescue team member Maggie Castro said the county is expected to address the issue later in the morning. She did say the structural engineers that lead the Urban Search and Rescue team members use extremely sensitive tools that monitor any movement in the building, down to millimeters.

“It’s very accurate,” Castro said.

One of the tools used is called a crack gauge, which monitors any change in cracks on flat surfaces or corners. They also use at item called a total station, which measures vertical and horizontal angles and images by analyzing the slope between it and a specific point.

As for President Biden, he is scheduled to arrive in South Florida Thursday morning along with the first lady. Residents and officials are hoping that Biden’s visit offers comfort to the small condo community just north of Miami Beach, and the frustrated rescue workers piecing through the gigantic heap of twisted concrete and metal.
Not everyone was thrilled with Biden’s visit. Richard Silverstein, a Surfside resident whose fellow Shul of Bal Harbour congregants are among the missing, said the visit — one week after the partial condo collapse — comes “a little too late.”

“I think it’s going to impede and slow down the rescue efforts,” Silverstein said. “It is what it is.”

Miami-Dade Mayor Daniella Levine Cava, in a tweet Thursday morning, sought to allay such concerns, saying that the presidential visit “will have no impact on our search & rescue mission.”

 

[SoCalDave]

New video footage from a couple just before the collapse. Sad that this tragedy might have been preventable but neglected for years.

Video shows fallen debris and gushing water in the Surfside condo garage moments before collapse | CNN

A couple staying at a nearby hotel recorded video that shows debris and gushing water in the underground parking garage of the Surfside condominium building minutes before it collapsed.

www.cnn.com

 

[rmarion]

Covid-19... got the best of me...

Florida Building Collapse Was from explosives - 911 again

Compare the two Surfside videos and decide for yourself This is Video two: 7/4 Demolition Video 1 of the soo call "Natural" collapse located here https://rumble.com/vjomtn-florida-building-collapse-vi

rumble.com

 

[4Waters]

Wow amazing that failed rusted rebar and concrete deterioration would actually have explosive dust exhausts.....

Mother nature failure..... yep... sure looks like it to me..... I dont even need a tin foil hat....

Hey anyone got some Covid-19...

Florida Building Collapse Was from explosives - 911 again

Compare the two Surfside videos and decide for yourself This is Video two: 7/4 Demolition Video 1 of the soo call "Natural" collapse located here https://rumble.com/vjomtn-florida-building-collapse-vi

rumble.com

Look at this, 2 seconds into the video, dust follows it.

 

[rmarion]

Look at this, 2 seconds into the video, dust follows it.

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As Traquer... stated..

This 2nd video occurred as emergency demolition of the remaining standing building ....


RIP to all



Happy Independence DAY

GODBLESS AMERICA

 

[riverroyal]

Why would the government or anyone want to collapse this building in Miami? Mcafee?
I don’t believe it’s was brought down by a human act other than greed
The greed to not maintain a structure.
this should be a wake up call, it won’t but it should.

how about the building in San Francisco that’s sinking? It will collapse as well, gravity will when. Just how long

 

[rmarion]

Why would the government or anyone want to collapse this building in Miami? Mcafee?
I don’t believe it’s was brought down by a human act other than greed
The greed to not maintain a structure.
this should be a wake up call, it won’t but it should.

how about the building in San Francisco that’s sinking? It will collapse as well, gravity will when. Just how long

RR

As Traquer stated...
The remaining building was felled with controlled demolition ....

RIP, to all

GODBLESS AMERICA

 

[C-Ya]

Well this thread took a real turn for the worse........

Rmarion...... Let us ALL know all your facts and knowledge on this event. You sound like an expert. It sounds like we sheep could learn something from someone as omnipotent as you (you might need to look that word up. Just guessing). Obviously my local news has been cheating me out of your facts and knowledge. Please keep us updated as often as you can! Thank You

 

[Dirtbag]

theres always 1

 

[SJP]

Well this thread took a real turn for the worse........

Rmarion...... Let us ALL know all your facts and knowledge on this event. You sound like an expert. It sounds like we sheep could learn something from someone as omnipotent as you (you might need to look that word up. Just guessing). Obviously my local news has been cheating me out of your facts and knowledge. Please keep us updated as often as you can! Thank You

I can imagine the cycles being spent down there now. My sister lives in Del Rey and her association has been kicking the can on an under ground parking garage / landscape major issue on town houses. There are going to be a lot of come to Jesus talks here this month. Positive thoughts to you all down there.

 

[rmarion]

Well this thread took a real turn for the worse........

Rmarion...... Let us ALL know all your facts and knowledge on this event. You sound like an expert. It sounds like we sheep could learn something from someone as omnipotent as you (you might need to look that word up. Just guessing). Obviously my local news has been cheating me out of your facts and knowledge. Please keep us updated as often as you can! Thank You

C-ya..

Did you watch the video??

 

[rmarion]

RIP....to all...

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Lots of 40 year old high rise (7 story+) buildings along all the coast lines.
If I was a vacation condo owner, I’d sell in a hurry, before the next inspection.

It might be too late.

 

[rmarion]

theres always 1

DB.... Covid-19 has attached my Common sense and tack..... (and filter)
I should of presented this video without my personal opinion added ..


RIP to all...

 

[C-Ya]

C-ya..

Did you watch the video??

The multiple videos are on every news station here. It’s been 12 days since we have had the National Nightly News, not get pre-empted with the multiple daily news conferences. My local paper had 8 condo related stories just in Sunday’s paper, while the opinion pages were completely condo related. There’s stories everyday. There have now been 2 other buildings condemned and the residents have had to leave. This is just the beginning. I assure you, it was no bomb or conspiracy, which nobody has wasted their time with that BS. People just want the truth. The information is completely leaning towards water intrusion, poor maintenance, and kicking repairs down the road. Those rules changed 12 days ago!

It also just so happens that my wife’s law firm has been retained to defend a case stemming from the collapse. That’s all I’ll say about that. But it pisses me off to hear anything that sounds like this is some sort of govt conspiracy...... give it a rest! That’s ridiculous!

 

[traquer]

C-ya..

Did you watch the video??

That video was from when they demolished the rest of the building a few days ago, so that they don't have to worry about it during the rescue effort. Geez

 

[riverroyal]

Seeing the pics of the pool area and a pic of rebar in a conrete column this will not be gov anything.
Bad design, bad construction, bad maintenance.

Being a guy that loves documentaries about 'conspiracy' crap it would be fascinating.
But its going to be determind 100 plus lost their lives and had zero idea they were living in a time bomb.

Whomever owns that building or neglected repairs will be going to jail.

 

[rmarion]

Thank you RPD... for addressing the current condition...

RIP to all parties...

 

[Lumpy]

View attachment 1020245
Pics reportedly from pool contractor days prior.
Water and scaling of concrete in pics

I’m in no way blaming the pool, but evidence of water damage one way or another

As for intentional blast pressure (commercial explosives/ blasting caps.

Sorry,
That’s a minimum of 500 lbs. of HE and hundreds of yards of 100 grain det cord, at least 50 commercial caps minimum to start that type of structure failure.
Too many security cameras to not see that being brought in and placed

Reported how long ago?
Looks like serious rebar bleeding out of the concrete above the Inteliichems..where are the pots at?
Would like to see detailed pics of that equipment room over time and documentation of all upgrades...when was this building built again?
Pumps on cinder blocks??? Thats a red flag along with black glue and a lot of other bullshit in that room. Would love to crawl all over that place
with a note pad...especially in that shit show of cinder block.

 

[LowRiver2]

Reported how long ago?
Looks like serious rebar bleeding out of the concrete above the Inteliichems..where are the pots at?
Would like to see detailed pics of that equipment room over time and documentation of all upgrades...when was this building built again?
Pumps on cinder blocks??? Thats a red flag along with black glue and a lot of other bullshit in that room. Would love to crawl all over that place
with a note pad...especially in that shit show of cinder block.

The fox news report those pics were in was allegedly a few days before the collapse
Article saying that not I.

 

[CALEXODUS]

this is a interesting theory on the collapse

 

[spectra3279]

I just find it hard to believe that it implodes nice and neat verses falling over or partially falling over

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[Classic Daycruiser]

I just find it hard to believe that it implodes nice and neat verses falling over or partially falling over

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It collapsed on to its self. Evidence will show the building had design flaws, which required constance maintenance. At some point, maintenance was neglected ( probably multiple times over 40 years), and got to the point the property was worthless ( 2008 ). Someone bought it, put lipstick on it, and sold them as condos a year later for $$300k.

I’ve stayed at a few places on Daytona beach, during the Daytona 500. Looking back, those buildings had a very thick coat of paint, and were more then likely 60-70 years old.

We also have thousands of highway bridges, with a couple major ones collapsing every year.

Kayaker says he photographed crack in I-40 bridge in 2016

A kayaker said he took the photos about five years before the discovery of a major crack shut down the bridge indefinitely.

www.cbsnews.com

Next 50 years is going to be very expensive repair bill.

 

[spectra3279]

It collapsed on to its self. Evidence will show the building had design flaws, which required constance maintenance. At some point, maintenance was neglected ( probably multiple times over 40 years), and got to the point the property was worthless ( 2008 ). Someone bought it, put lipstick on it, and sold them as condos a year later for $$300k.

I’ve stayed at a few places on Daytona beach, during the Daytona 500. Looking back, those buildings had a very thick coat of paint, and were more then likely 60-70 years old.

We also have thousands of highway bridges, with a couple major ones collapsing every year.

Kayaker says he photographed crack in I-40 bridge in 2016

A kayaker said he took the photos about five years before the discovery of a major crack shut down the bridge indefinitely.

www.cbsnews.com

Next 50 years is going to be very expensive repair bill. [emoji57]

I understand the lack of maintenance. But I still find it hard to believe it just folds up like that.

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[WhatExit?]

Miami-Dade County Mayor Daniella Levine Cava said Sunday that 90 deaths have now been confirmed in the collapse of the 12-story Champlain Towers South in Surfside, up from 86 a day before.

Among them are 71 bodies that have been identified, and their families have been notified, she said. Some 31 people remain listed as missing.

Levine Cava also said the unrelenting search amid the rubble has resulted in the recovery of over 14 million pounds of concrete and debris.

Miami mayor confirms 90 dead in Florida condo collapse; officials say search for more bodies could take weeks

Authorities searching for victims of a deadly collapse in Florida said Sunday they hope to conclude their painstaking work in the coming weeks as a team of first responders from Israel departed the…

www.orlandosentinel.com

 

[JBZ]

Very thorough explanation

 

[DILLIGAF]

Check this out. I saw this on a concrete post when I walked over the MO River yesterday in Yankton SD. YIKES! Yep…lots of maintenance pushed off for too long.

 

[Joker]

Check this out. I saw this on a concrete post when I walked over the MO River yesterday in Yankton SD. YIKES! Yep…lots of maintenance pushed off for too long.

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Cracks are too big to fix and I guarantee 50 percent of that rebar is gone due to corrosion. Time for a new column.

 

[pronstar]

How come concrete that the ancient romans used is still solid to this day, but the concrete we use lasts a few decades at most?


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[Bobby V]

How come concrete that the ancient romans used is still solid to this day, but the concrete we use lasts a few decades at most?


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Not sure what areas you are referring to. But we drill hangers in old buildings all thru out So Cal without hardly any issues to support our pipes. I was kind of worried installing 400' of 8" schedule #40 filled with water in a parking garage in a 50 year old building a couple months ago. No issues.

 

[pronstar]

Not sure what areas you are referring to. But we drill hangers in old buildings all thru out So Cal without hardly any issues to support our pipes. I was kind of worried installing 400' of 8" schedule #40 filled with water in a parking garage in a 50 year old building a couple months ago. No issues. [emoji106]

The first post is a good start.

But I read articles like this…

The problem with reinforced concrete

Reinforced concrete is everywhere. But unlike plain concrete, which can last for centuries, reinforced concrete can deteriorate in decades as the reinforcing bars succumb to rust.

theconversation.com

…and it seems 50-100 years is about the limit for modern concrete?


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[grumpy88]

How come concrete that the ancient romans used is still solid to this day, but the concrete we use lasts a few decades at most?


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No unions ! I am just kidding ! Haha

 

[Ziggy]

How come concrete that the ancient romans used is still solid to this day, but the concrete we use lasts a few decades at most?


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I'd say the rebar rusting expands and cracks the concrete prematurely.