Maxxed out didnt pan out, need a broker recommendation

[BHC Vic]

I was at cobra a couple weeks ago. They had moved a lot of boats and looked like they had some space. Give hern a call. I'm probably going to go by sometime real soon to pick up more shirts [emoji4]

 

[GRADS]

I just noticed the Whipple:yikes Ouch, thats crazy.

If it was me, I would take off the whipple. Sell that on the side. Get it back to stock.

Anyone that knows anything about Performance Boats knows its a time bomb. (Unless you built up the bottom end, then its a nice motor ready for fun:thumbsup)

Oh and take out the picture of the guys wrenching on the motor, turns people away sometimes.

Took the words right out of my mouth. You might even come out a little ahead than if you sold it on the motor.

 

[boatnam2]

Oh and take out the picture of the guys wrenching on the motor, turns people away sometimes.[/QUOTE]

First thing i thought when i seen add.

 

[TBI]

This is the only pic he needs

 

[nowski]

I personally don't think the location thing is a big issue. You can still market it in Havasu, SoCal or NorCal and keep the boat at your house. If someone wants it bad enough they will make the drive. I drove to SoCal four times to look at boats and when I sold my Shockwave the guy that bought it drove down from Portland.

Have you thought about scraping the Cobra stickers off the side and replacing them with some brand new Eliminator ones?

The guy's at Eliminator might even throw in a T Shirt with no holes in it...

 

[JBS]

Dick!!!

Who asked you [emoji6]

 

[GRADS]

This is the only pic he needs

I disagree.

 

[millhouse961]

Wow, I took my eyes off the thread for a bit and it blew up! ok here are all the answers to questions:

It has not been for sale for 2 years, I listed it last year and like a moron waited until the end of the season to list. When winter started rolling around, I stopped pushing it but never took the ads down. Now that the weather is warm again it is re-listed.

On the storage issue, I'm not going to pay to store it. End of story. Nothing further to discuss there.

On the price: I have offered every texting tire kicker 10% off as I figured that's what I would pay to a broker.

Reason it hasn't sold it location. I get calls almost daily but 1, count 1 person has made the drive to see it. Every time I explain where I am located people stress about making the drive out. I get it, I would have a hard time with it too. Reality is I don't live in a good area for boating. I grew up in a boating area which is why I have this in the first place. I'm not "over" this boat or dying to sell it, in fact I absolutely love it. The fact is I simply don't have the time to use it and I hate seeing it just sit there. Would be much better off with a family who will enjoy it.

on the motor: whipple designed that kit SPECIFICALLY for this motor. it has never been run hard and is in great condition. On the pic of the motor, yeah I realize now that's not a good pic. What's funny is they aren't wrenching on it, they are installing it.

There was a question about eliminators consignment agreement: I wont get into it on a public forum, they didn't write the agreement its just what they use. If anyone wants to discuss in private I can highlight the lines I had issues with. Nothing against them, but as someone who manages risk for a living I saw too large a liability gap to take the risk.

Thank you for the suggestions on other places to take it, I will look into it.

Cheers!

 

[RiverDave]

Wow, I took my eyes off the thread for a bit and it blew up! ok here are all the answers to questions:

On the storage issue, I'm not going to pay to store it. End of story. Nothing further to discuss there.

On the price: I have offered every texting tire kicker 10% off as I figured that's what I would pay to a broker.

Cheers!

I'm not speaking for Maxed out Marine here, but I have heard Ricky put together a bunch of deals when I had an office there. I believe their commission rate varies. They have a lower commission rate if the owner stores the boat, and a higher commission rate if they store the boat. I'm not sure if that has changed or not since I left there.

Ultimately though, someone is going to end up paying to store the boat, and no matter how you slice it, in the end that would be you. Whether it be a higher commission rate, storage fees, a lesser selling price, etc.. It all balances out in the end no matter who you use.

RD

 

[millhouse961]

I'm not speaking for Maxed out Marine here, but I have heard Ricky put together a bunch of deals when I had an office there. I believe their commission rate varies. They have a lower commission rate if the owner stores the boat, and a higher commission rate if they store the boat. I'm not sure if that has changed or not since I left there.

Ultimately though, someone is going to end up paying to store the boat, and no matter how you slice it, in the end that would be you. Whether it be a higher commission rate, storage fees, a lesser selling price, etc.. It all balances out in the end no matter who you use.

RD

Yep, I get all that and was pleased with their rates and processes. Havasu is a 6.5 hour trip for me 1 way and adding one more hassle of finding a place to keep the boat and then making sure it is secure is just one more hassle I don't have time for. best of luck to them in all their endeavors.

 

[shueman]

There was a question about eliminators consignment agreement: I wont get into it on a public forum, they didn't write the agreement its just what they use. If anyone wants to discuss in private I can highlight the lines I had issues with. Nothing against them, but as someone who manages risk for a living I saw too large a liability gap to take the risk.

We use the form as designated by the California Yacht Brokers Association. As licensed agents within California (the ONLY state with such a requirement) we are aligned with their Policies and Procedures.

Liability Gap ? Risk ? :yikes

Additionally, Lenders in the Marketplace are pretty much aligned with NADAGuides. Maybe you should run your boat through there and see what it's really worth...

 

[BHC Vic]

We use the form as designated by the California Yacht Brokers Association. As licensed agents within California (the ONLY state with such a requirement) we are aligned with their Policies and Procedures.

Liability Gap ? Risk ? :yikes

Additionally, Lenders in the Marketplace are pretty much aligned with NADAGuides. Maybe you should run your boat through there and see what it really worth...

Pretty sure it's worth whatever someone will pay [emoji2]

 

[Andy01]

Pretty sure it's worth whatever someone will pay [emoji2]

And that number is going to start with a 3

 

[wishiknew]

This is the only pic he needs


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Really He's Not selling hub caps he is selling a boat !!!!

 

[BHC Vic]

And that number is going to start with a 3

You making an offer? [emoji2]

 

[RiverDave]

We use the form as designated by the California Yacht Brokers Association. As licensed agents within California (the ONLY state with such a requirement) we are aligned with their Policies and Procedures.

Liability Gap ? Risk ? :yikes

Additionally, Lenders in the Marketplace are pretty much aligned with NADAGuides. Maybe you should run your boat through there and see what it really worth...

You write some ballsy shit on here from time to time.. LOL

 

[shueman]

Pretty sure it's worth whatever someone will pay [emoji2]

Shoppers come equipped with data and do their homework...you can ask anything you want, but data is data.
Somehow a 12yr old Cobra just does not give off that "gotta have it" glow when you see it...
Hey, you never know...good like with the sale !!

 

[JBS]

Shoppers come equipped with data and do their homework...you can ask anything you want, but data is data.
Somehow a 12yr old Cobra just does not give off that "gotta have it" glow when you see it...
Hey, you never know...good like with the sale !!

I got called a Dick for talking like that [emoji3]

 

[millhouse961]

Shoppers come equipped with data and do their homework...you can ask anything you want, but data is data.
Somehow a 12yr old Cobra just does not give off that "gotta have it" glow when you see it...
Hey, you never know...good like with the sale !!

Man, you're making a killer argument for consigning with Eliminator. All this is totally unnecessary.

 

[Patyacht]

We use the form as designated by the California Yacht Brokers Association. As licensed agents within California (the ONLY state with such a requirement) we are aligned with their Policies and Procedures.

Liability Gap ? Risk ? :yikes

Additionally, Lenders in the Marketplace are pretty much aligned with NADAGuides. Maybe you should run your boat through there and see what it's really worth...

Having a little knowledge in this area and not wanting to say you are wrong but you are. Liberal CA is not the only state that licenses it's brokers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht_broker And no matter what NADA or KBB says a boat is worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay for it. "The books" come into play when financing is involved because of the banks or weak broker doesn't want to really justify the "TRUE" value of the boat. There are no 2 like boats like the books try to say that all are alike. Eliminator does build a "custom" boat... Right???...

 

[millhouse961]

Having a little knowledge in this area and not wanting to say you are wrong but you are. Liberal CA is not the only state that licenses it's brokers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht_broker And no matter what NADA or KBB says a boat is worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay for it. "The books" come into play when financing is involved because of the banks or weak broker doesn't want to really justify the "TRUE" value of the boat. There are no 2 like boats like the books try to say that all are alike. Eliminator does build a "custom" boat... Right???...

Agreed. He's just being pissy cause he thinks I'm talking shit on Eliminator. As I stated in my comments, Eliminator didn't author the form and its nothing against them, just something I can't agree to.

Whatever. Point of the thread was to find a new broker. Think I found what I am looking for, thanks to everyone with the helpful comments.

 

[Bobby V]

Having a little knowledge in this area and not wanting to say you are wrong but you are. Liberal CA is not the only state that licenses it's brokers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yacht_broker And no matter what NADA or KBB says a boat is worth what a willing buyer is willing to pay for it. "The books" come into play when financing is involved because of the banks or weak broker doesn't want to really justify the "TRUE" value of the boat. There are no 2 like boats like the books try to say that all are alike. Eliminator does build a "custom" boat... Right???...

According to your link. Shue was off by 1 state. Florida. And their laws seem different then CA.

 

[Patyacht]

According to your link. Shue was off by 1 state. Florida. And their laws seem different then CA.

Yep. Florida was the 1st state to require their brokers to be Licensed and Bonded. Ca copied FL. Most of the Certification of Brokers was developed out of Fl and the Northeast with the Yacht Brokers Association of America.. But read carefully, he did say "ONLY" in caps. And it's not like grenades and horseshoes....closeness does not count. lol

 

[E4L]

Man, you're making a killer argument for consigning with Eliminator. All this is totally unnecessary.

So was your glaring liability holes comment when speaking of Eliminator.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Yep, I get all that and was pleased with their rates and processes. Havasu is a 6.5 hour trip for me 1 way and adding one more hassle of finding a place to keep the boat and then making sure it is secure is just one more hassle I don't have time for. best of luck to them in all their endeavors.

Well, if you really wanted to sell it then you would find time.

 

[BHC Vic]

Lots of hurt feelings [emoji2]

 

[Joker]

Anyone here looking for a 25' Nordic without a whipple?
I'll pay for storage in my garage until it's picked up.
Thanks[emoji3]

 

[Nord]

Google the term "problems with whippled 496" a wealth of knowledge there. There are a lot of whippled 496's still out there that are performing fine however there are more whippled 496's that have grenaded. Is this a problem wit poor installation or tuning?

 

[GRADS]

NADA and KBB are also there to bring sellers that are being unrealistic about what their boat is worth back to reality. Not saying Millhouse is one of those.

 

[460]

Whipped 496 is like an olds in a jet boat. Head ache city.

 

[707dog]

damn a lot of up tight hurt feelings in this thread... i believe that a couple things are a disadvantage for millhouse , he lives off the beaten path close to the coast, no lake no rivers no ponds within a couple hours to take a tire kicker to go test ride now a real buyer game on(cash or loan in place), considering the age of the boat financing will be tuff but can be done someone needs to locate some banks or credit unions that will do it before wasting there time and his...

im the last one to saying thing about traveling to buy boats my last 5 have been no where close to home furthest being phoenix a lot of turn around trips to socal i say if someone gets the "wants that" and "has to have it" deal they will make the trip but also has to understand only gonna hear it run on the hose or require a $$ non refundable deposit to meet for that test ride, can also get a surveyor to look it over before making the trek to bum fok Egypt... try and use one of these brokers who can get it sold and has good loan connections and if not well he knows cause he is dealing with it now

 

[Dalton]

Nvm.

 

[plaster dave]

Anyone here looking for a 25' Nordic without a whipple?
I'll pay for storage in my garage until it's picked up.
Thanks[emoji3]

Are you thinking about listing your boat with Maxed Out Marine? What are you thinking about getting next?

He looking at a M 31

 

[Patyacht]

He looking at a M 31

If true he might consider working with a DCB dealer like Preston @ Horizon to work the "Trade-In" credit angle.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Just a thought - removing the whipple probably takes an afternoon and a 12 pack. Sell the whipple for extra cash and probably sell the boat easier.
People are scared of stuff they dont understand, and if google searches turn up anything negative that becomes the gospel. They have cast pistons which are not good for boost, but lots of 496s running around with blowers and turbos without issue, in marine and auto applications....its all in the tuning and keeping detonation at bay.
I say easiest thing is put it back to stock, have it surveyed and give it a clean bill of health for the next owner to feel at ease

 

[guest hs]

What have you heard

Im not going to go into details but just trust me on this one!

 

[TBI]

Anybody need some coffee?

 

[McRib]

Man, you're making a killer argument for consigning with Eliminator. All this is totally unnecessary.

So was your glaring liability holes comment when speaking of Eliminator.

No where in any post has the OP been malicious. The OP posted that he wanted other options. He's not in a hurry and doesn't want to pay for storage on any level. He is a risk management guy by profession and stated that eliminator uses a generic form for the consignment. After reading the form while in his risk assessment mode he found it to be not good for HIM based on his training on risk. He came here and said MO was a bit to busy for him and was uncomfortable with the generic eliminator form. A few have jumped his shit for no reason. Everything is FACT so far. Eliminator generic form..... FACT. Maxed out to busy/full to store boat.... FACT. not sure the big deal here. Can we just give him options without reading defensively? Wait its the internet..... duh!

 

[TCHB]

Whipped 496 is like an olds in a jet boat. Head ache city.

My first boat had a 455 olds 390HP jet that ran and ran. I must of put 500 hours on that boat with zero mechanical issues.
On the RPM side it would never go over 4700.

 

[454Rocket]

I wouldn't want my boat getting beat to shit outside at any facility :headscratch: At the end of the day you still own it and have to take it back with thrashed interior if it doesn't sell. I would think OCM would be the only place in town that has room under cover at least...

BTW: Someone coming out of a roll bar boat or whatever might dig the blower. I'd think it'd be a selling point for anyone outside our little community

 

[BHC Vic]

No where in any post has the OP been malicious. The OP posted that he wanted other options. He's not in a hurry and doesn't want to pay for storage on any level. He is a risk management guy by profession and stated that eliminator uses a generic form for the consignment. After reading the form while in his risk assessment mode he found it to be not good for HIM based on his training on risk. He came here and said MO was a bit to busy for him and was uncomfortable with the generic eliminator form. A few have jumped his shit for no reason. Everything is FACT so far. Eliminator generic form..... FACT. Maxed out to busy/full to store boat.... FACT. not sure the big deal here. Can we just give him options without reading defensively? Wait its the internet..... duh!

That's the way I saw it, but watching meltdowns is good entertainment [emoji2]

 

[millhouse961]

No where in any post has the OP been malicious. The OP posted that he wanted other options. He's not in a hurry and doesn't want to pay for storage on any level. He is a risk management guy by profession and stated that eliminator uses a generic form for the consignment. After reading the form while in his risk assessment mode he found it to be not good for HIM based on his training on risk. He came here and said MO was a bit to busy for him and was uncomfortable with the generic eliminator form. A few have jumped his shit for no reason. Everything is FACT so far. Eliminator generic form..... FACT. Maxed out to busy/full to store boat.... FACT. not sure the big deal here. Can we just give him options without reading defensively? Wait its the internet..... duh!

THANK YOU! Finally a little bit of sanity in here

 

[River Lynchmob]

Whipped 496 is like an olds in a jet boat. Head ache city.

Or a Ford!

 

[460]

Or a Ford!

Says the guy who's boats haven't seen water in a while now. Least my ford is getting water time sucka

 

[TBI]

Says the guy who's boats haven't seen water in a while now. Least my ford is getting water time sucka

 

[Riverbound]

Says the guy who's boats haven't seen water in a while now. Least my ford is getting water time sucka

Lol. Neither of his boats are operable at this in time.

 

[E4L]

No where in any post has the OP been malicious. The OP posted that he wanted other options. He's not in a hurry and doesn't want to pay for storage on any level. He is a risk management guy by profession and stated that eliminator uses a generic form for the consignment. After reading the form while in his risk assessment mode he found it to be not good for HIM based on his training on risk. He came here and said MO was a bit to busy for him and was uncomfortable with the generic eliminator form. A few have jumped his shit for no reason. Everything is FACT so far. Eliminator generic form..... FACT. Maxed out to busy/full to store boat.... FACT. not sure the big deal here. Can we just give him options without reading defensively? Wait its the internet..... duh!

Hey ribnuts it's obvious you didn't read the very first comment on this thread.

 

[Enen]

Lol. Neither of his boats are operable at this in time.

I know he has objects on trailers that keep the concrete in his garage from floating away. I never actually looked under the covers to see that they were boats.

 

[River Lynchmob]

Lol. Neither of his boats are operable at this in time.

Sure they are...just need a prop tune up on one...and the Force is doing just fine.

Says the guy who's boats haven't seen water in a while now. Least my ford is getting water time sucka

Extenuating circumstances my friend.

 

[McRib]

Hey ribnuts it's obvious you didn't read the very first comment on this thread.

No I read it just fine. Yore butt hurt about the word "glaring ". Have you ever read the generic consignment form eliminator uses? (I have not) If it's ok for you then that's great. A guy with a risk management back ground is not comfortable with it and attempts to make revisions to better protect himself (which would also protect eliminator too) and the two parties cant or won't come together then it is what it is. He comes here to tell about his experience and you all take it as an attack. Myself... I've been educated a bit here. If I ever consign my boat I will now cross all my I's and dot all my T's before doing so. If there is a POSSIBLE liability hole I wanna know about it. There hasn't been any mud slinging here imo.

Unless I missed a section where the OP called Bob a crooked pos? Pretty sure that didn't happen.