Mandatory AZ Offroad Safety Course

[4Waters]

What’s a boater ID card? lol is that a Cali thing lol.

As for offroading, fuck em. I won’t be getting a card of class or anything.

Catch me if you can

I get it, like Cali and the boater card this isn't fixing the problem

 

[Bpracing1127]

Just start passing people. It works when I watch smoke n scan on you tube

Off roading no problem. I’ll be sure to nerf the ranger to get the fuck out of my way too

 

[Kurt96]

Just another way for the .gov to get a few extra bucks… It’s funny to see everyone blame California, this bill fits AZ perfectly. More laws to police and bust innocent people. The HOA conservatives in Phoenix love rules and punishment, and love the cops that enforce all of it. They’ll probably make it a “criminal” charge like everything else in this state, and you’ll have to go to court and deal with a misdemeanor on your record for the rest of your life. It’s not only dems pushing for this stuff. A large portion of conservatives here in AZ are bootlickers…

There is a huge movement in the Phoenix area against off-roading. While some of it is from the typical tree huggers, a lot comes from ranchers and conservative Karens that don’t like dust and noise in their golf communities.

 

[EarpRider]

This actually reads a lot different than the original post.

 

[77charger]

How do you like having to have a boating license? I’m surprised the OHV license didn’t start in California, I just ride my dirt bike without registration because they won’t issue one but allow kids on dirt bikes to wheelie through city streets. From where I sit, we in California lead the way on most stupid ideas but I’ve only lived through fifty seven years of law abiding citizens having rights chipped away. Arizona has always been on the list of a possible retirement escape. Do you know anybody who votes blue that left California and moved to Arizona? I don’t understand where Arizona’s blue votes are coming from.

Az is a bit more than a third independant voters. To win you must convince that block of voters. They can go red or blue depending on candidates.

Wrong candidate can turn them off easily too.

 

[EarpRider]

The more you read about this Bill it looks like it all started with the House Subcommittee of Water, Wildlife and Fisheries and it came from complaints of SxS users not respecting farmland and private property. Probably why Kerr who represents the rural district down by Yuma pushed for this Bill.

 

[PlanB]

The open container deal will end up with empty cans all over the desert.

I am wondering if this will apply to boats. The way it is written it certainly sounds like it.

 

[PlanB]

Just another way for the .gov to get a few extra bucks… It’s funny to see everyone blame California, this bill fits AZ perfectly. More laws to police and bust innocent people. The HOA conservatives in Phoenix love rules and punishment, and love the cops that enforce all of it. They’ll probably make it a “criminal” charge like everything else in this state, and you’ll have to go to court and deal with a misdemeanor on your record for the rest of your life. It’s not only dems pushing for this stuff. A large portion of conservatives here in AZ are bootlickers…

There is a huge movement in the Phoenix area against off-roading. While some of it is from the typical tree huggers, a lot comes from ranchers and conservative Karens that don’t like dust and noise in their golf communities.

One thing I do not like about Arizona. I went through some shit in Havasu about 15 years ago and the legal system out there is a fucking kangaroo court, and like stated, it's very easy to pick up a misdemeanor for some petty bullshit.

 

[AZmike]

If Blue Californians keep moving to AZ AZ is doomed, keep your Commifornia politics in Commifornia!

Its already doomed! Look at Phoenix and the fuktard politicians that are already in office. Unfortunately voting doesn't make any difference anymore either.

 

[Kurt96]

One thing I do not like about Arizona. I went through some shit in Havasu about 15 years ago and the legal system out there is a fucking kangaroo court, and like stated, it's very easy to pick up a misdemeanor for some petty bullshit.

They don’t mess around here. I’m dealing with a bs misdemeanor charge I got at Lake Pleasant a couple months ago. Me and a buddy drove our trucks down to the water to hang out for an afternoon. No more than 10 minutes after we got there, 4 sheriffs stormed the beach we were on.

They claimed we were trespassing in a wildlife conservation area within the park, even though we followed well used trails off BLM land. We both had annual park passes as well, so we paid to be within the park. A little research showed that Maricopa County designated the entire northern shoreline of the lake off limits to land access, and just started enforcing it this year.

 

[PlanB]

They don’t mess around here. I’m dealing with a bs misdemeanor charge I got at Lake Pleasant a couple months ago. Me and a buddy drove our trucks down to the water to hang out for an afternoon. No more than 10 minutes after we got there, 4 sheriffs stormed the beach we were on.

They claimed we were trespassing in a wildlife conservation area within the park, even though we followed well used trails off BLM land. We both had annual park passes as well, so we paid to be within the park. A little research showed that Maricopa County designated the entire northern shoreline of the lake off limits to land access, and just started enforcing it this year.

They are very letter of the law out there and they seem to sweat the small stuff.

 

[Outdrive1]

They don’t mess around here. I’m dealing with a bs misdemeanor charge I got at Lake Pleasant a couple months ago. Me and a buddy drove our trucks down to the water to hang out for an afternoon. No more than 10 minutes after we got there, 4 sheriffs stormed the beach we were on.

They claimed we were trespassing in a wildlife conservation area within the park, even though we followed well used trails off BLM land. We both had annual park passes as well, so we paid to be within the park. A little research showed that Maricopa County designated the entire northern shoreline of the lake off limits to land access, and just started enforcing it this year.

Years ago we were riding standups at Pleasant, and got tickets for being to close to each on the water. It was winter and we were in wetsuits. There was no one on the water except myself and a friend. Turns out it was a misdemeanor and you had to show up in court in Wickenburg. It was pretty ridiculous.

 

[2Driver]

They don’t mess around here. I’m dealing with a bs misdemeanor charge I got at Lake Pleasant a couple months ago. Me and a buddy drove our trucks down to the water to hang out for an afternoon. No more than 10 minutes after we got there, 4 sheriffs stormed the beach we were on.

They claimed we were trespassing in a wildlife conservation area within the park, even though we followed well used trails off BLM land. We both had annual park passes as well, so we paid to be within the park. A little research showed that Maricopa County designated the entire northern shoreline of the lake off limits to land access, and just started enforcing it this year.

Meanwhile 5,000 “newcomers” drive down and completely destroy the shoreline. The drive on beach scene at Pleasant is a 3rd world shit hole.

 

[77charger]

They don’t mess around here. I’m dealing with a bs misdemeanor charge I got at Lake Pleasant a couple months ago. Me and a buddy drove our trucks down to the water to hang out for an afternoon. No more than 10 minutes after we got there, 4 sheriffs stormed the beach we were on.

They claimed we were trespassing in a wildlife conservation area within the park, even though we followed well used trails off BLM land. We both had annual park passes as well, so we paid to be within the park. A little research showed that Maricopa County designated the entire northern shoreline of the lake off limits to land access, and just started enforcing it this year.

Was wondering about that. I’ve known it’s been a no no to drive to shore if you didn’t go through a gate. Seen trucks on shore across the lake from 4 lane at a cove and wondered about it too.

 

[Beach]

I just took the course, it pretty much takes all day. There's seven sections and after each section, you take a 10 question quiz. The reason it takes so long is that you can read each page in 30 seconds, but you can't go to the next page until two to four minutes depending on the length of the text. At the end, you take a fifty question exam, which you can take as many times as you need until you pass. For anyone that has taken the Cal boating certificate test, it's exactly the same, including all of the meaningless BS.

 

[Kurt96]

Was wondering about that. I’ve known it’s been a no no to drive to shore if you didn’t go through a gate. Seen trucks on shore across the lake from 4 lane at a cove and wondered about it too.

The sheriff said the whole area was open until 4 years ago, but cholos started trashing the place. It was declared a conservation area, but they only enforced people who didn’t pay for a park pass or were camping for the last few years. This year they started to enforce it as a no motor vehicle area. The rule originated during Covid (of course) when the county silently made the shoreline a conservation area.

He calmed down once I showed him my park pass. Asshole still wrote me a criminal ticket though…

 

[Looking Glass]

They are very letter of the law out there and they seem to sweat the small stuff.

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[Looking Glass]

The sheriff said the whole area was open until 4 years ago, but cholos started trashing the place. It was declared a conservation area, but they only enforced people who didn’t pay for a park pass or were camping for the last few years. This year they started to enforce it as a no motor vehicle area. The rule originated during Covid (of course) when the county silently made the shoreline a conservation area.

He calmed down once I showed him my park pass. Asshole still wrote me a criminal ticket though…

I am a Believer in going to Court to "Plead" your Case. The "Officer" might not show and then it will be Dismissed, but very often a Judge will Throw the Ticket with a legitimate explanation and proof you intended nothing against the Law. If this Law was just enacted this year and not well-posted, and you explain it politely

 

[77charger]

The sheriff said the whole area was open until 4 years ago, but cholos started trashing the place. It was declared a conservation area, but they only enforced people who didn’t pay for a park pass or were camping for the last few years. This year they started to enforce it as a no motor vehicle area. The rule originated during Covid (of course) when the county silently made the shoreline a conservation area.

He calmed down once I showed him my park pass. Asshole still wrote me a criminal ticket though…

That sucks I wanted to give it a go last year with truck and take jet ski midweek to set up a bouy course to play on but didn’t want to risk a cite either. Nice cove across from 4 lane might be same area you went to.

 

[RiverDave]

One thing I do not like about Arizona. I went through some shit in Havasu about 15 years ago and the legal system out there is a fucking kangaroo court, and like stated, it's very easy to pick up a misdemeanor for some petty bullshit.

you are a 1,000% correct on this.. it is a total fucking joke..

 

[Joe mama]

I am wondering if this will apply to boats. The way it is written it certainly sounds like it.

Yep that’s what I’m thinking and that will lead to sunken cans.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I'm curious how the Arizona Legislation has enough confidence in a bureaucracy to believe they can stand up a website, test and issue license in 6 months.

By the time this safety thing is in place he test regulation will expire. My out of state OHV permit expires in December, I'll try and sneak by for another year, and see where this goes. I don't think I can play dumb as we've been buying them a couple years now for multiple states.

The open container thing has me a little concerned, as stated above, more trash left in the desert as a result of this law. It would not be a stretch to apply this regulation to watercraft.

 

[04-24Stealth]

I'm curious how the Arizona Legislation has enough confidence in a bureaucracy to believe they can stand up a website, test and issue license in 6 months.

By the time this safety thing is in place he test regulation will expire. My out of state OHV permit expires in December, I'll try and sneak by for another year, and see where this goes. I don't think I can play dumb as we've been buying them a couple years now for multiple states.

The open container thing has me a little concerned, as stated above, more trash left in the desert as a result of this law. It would not be a stretch to apply this regulation to watercraft.

I get the open container part of it’s cold in the cup holder but is there something in AZ law that prohibits empties in the back in a trash bag?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I get the open container part of it’s cold in the cup holder but is there something in AZ law that prohibits empties in the back in a trash bag?

My UTV does not have space for a bag in the back, it sometimes ends up in the cab on the floor. The open container law irritates me and I don't even drink. The best state legislators are the ones that meet seldom.

The Legislative session in Montana is governed by the Montana constitution and limits the assembly to 90 days every other year. This means that all the business has to be completed in a very limited time frame and provides some guard rails. In contrast Arizona Legislative session is 100 days every year and can be extended.

Does anyone know if the Arizona Off Highway Vehicle Advisory Group was invited to participate in the crafting of this law?

https://arizona-content.usedirect.com/storage/OHV_Photos_and_Documents/20240620101711draft-may-21,-2024-ohvag-minutes.pdf

I don't see anything specifically addressing this item in the May minutes.

And Just to be clear, I'm not troubled by the safety training or the open container, the subjective language that adds on the potential access limits and reckless driving is what gives me heartburn.

I'm gonna have to let this rest, because OHV access issues piss me off and I hate feeling this urge to be drawn back into fighting a lost battle. I guess the ranger will have to catch me is a good strategy, because it seemed to work well for me in 1982.

 

[Instigator]

My bet is this is a test platform to see how many ohv drivers don't have a drivers license and see if they can generate revenue from long term implementation of such a law and how to expand it.

 

[Taboma]

I think the political rationale for increased "Safety" regulations is no more complicated than a simple consequence of increased public popularity of a recreational pastime.
If the sport or activity is motorized, and it results in injuries, death and environmental damage, then it becomes vulnerable for Groups to justify pressuring the governmental oversight and regulation we're experiencing.

As with any recreational pastime, there are participants who are good stewards and realize their behavior will predicate the future of this activity and act accordingly.
Unfortunately as we've all experienced, there's far more seeking only short term gratification, and are the same selfish bastards who leave carnage in their wake, regardless of the venue.
The shared reaction of many participants of both activities on this board, predicting vengeful behavior by their peers, is equally telling and quite disturbing.

Reason #101 of why I'm glad I'm old ---- It wasn't always like this and those are the memories I'll cherish.

 

[77charger]

I get the open container part of it’s cold in the cup holder but is there something in AZ law that prohibits empties in the back in a trash bag?

I’ve always put my empties back in the cooler when off-roading.

My thought is this I can get it there In cooler I can take it back. Yes soft side cooler so I don’t crush the can either just empty and out it back.

Any competent cop should see it ain’t in the open and your making an effort to take it back but there is also that one guy who will want to give you a hard time as well.silence is golden talking is silver lol.

 

[EarpRider]

As I stated before this Bill was created by a House Subcommittee because SxS riders were speeding and not closing gates, etc... on farmland and private property.
This to me looks like the powers to be are giving off roaders a chance to be educated. If the problems continue after education was mandated then I would guess the next to is to close more areas to off roading.

 

[mash on it]

I read through the original post, and it was vague at best, but does this affect my Jeep? Totally street legal, licensed and insured CJ 7.

Dan'l

 

[Sportin' Wood]

I read through the original post, and it was vague at best, but does this affect my Jeep? Totally street legal, licensed and insured CJ 7.

Dan'l

Potentially yes, while "Off-Road". Open container, unlicensed driver, route of travel, reckless driving all could subjectively influence violation of this law, however the chances of enforcement seem slim.

 

[havasu5150]

The more you read about this Bill it looks like it all started with the House Subcommittee of Water, Wildlife and Fisheries and it came from complaints of SxS users not respecting farmland and private property. Probably why Kerr who represents the rural district down by Yuma pushed for this Bill.

Sine Kerr is from Buckeye and is part of a ranching/farming family.

 

[DWRAT]

Bullshit. In California children can still operate an ATV. The Governor of AZ is a democrat who used to be a social worker. Biden won Arizona. The voters in Arizona chose those people.

I agree, the stupid f#cking voters voted for this shit.
AZ , CA or where ever, you get what you vote for.
F#ck the liberals in this world.

 

[Bobsxs]

OMG. All self propelled vehicles will be governed by the alcohol and open container laws. Like golf carts? No beer while golfing. I don't think this will last long.

 

[EarpRider]

OMG. All self propelled vehicles will be governed by the alcohol and open container laws. Like golf carts? No beer while golfing. I don't think this will last long.

Well, come on, its not like their is golf course police.

 

[tostark]

i believe the biggest issue with this is the license requirement. No more family off road trips cuz kids can’t ride? How many sales are lost on kid’s motorcycles/safety equipment? Funny that a kid can get a hunting license but can’t ride offroad

 

[havasu5150]

I am wondering if this will apply to boats. The way it is written it certainly sounds like it.

It may very well apply. I would also wager that a "boater license isn't far behind.

 

[MPHSystems]

California’s over reach is spilling into Arizona. I know a lot of people who moved to Arizona to get away from California politics and it still looks like you guys will be blue before I die.

Yea but they bring their wives with them and Karen wants to save the childrenz moat than anything else. As a kid, we would just throw beach chairs in the back of the truck and ride around town in back.

sure, some kids didn’t make it but it was an epic time to be an American.

 

[tostark]

I went to the source and to her credit she answered quickly. Does NOT require kids to have licenses on off road trails.

Here is her response


Hello Tom,

Thank you so much for reaching out to get clarification on SB1567. I appreciate the respectful way your family operates your OHV's. The driver's license portion of the bill below states that only if the minor is operating the OHV on a highway, not a designated OHV trail. Kids can absolutely ride their dirt bikes and OHV's as long as they are on a designated off-highway trail. Please refer to D point #2 for the exemption. The safety course is in a pilot program format. We will compile the required information to ascertain its effectiveness and a future legislature will need to determine whether it should be continued. Feel free to reach out any time.

C. A PERSON MAY NOT DRIVE AN OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE IN THIS STATE WITHOUT A VALID DRIVER LICENSE AS PRESCRIBED BY THIS CHAPTER. IF A MINOR WHO IS UNDER TWELVE YEARS OF AGE VIOLATES THIS SUBSECTION, A CITATION SHALL BE ISSUED TO THE PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN OF THE MINOR AND NOT TO THE MINOR. IF A MINOR WHO IS AT LEAST TWELVE YEARS OF AGE AND UNDER SIXTEEN YEARS OF AGE VIOLATES THIS SUBSECTION, A CITATION MAY BE ISSUED TO THE MINOR OR TO THE PARENT OR LEGAL GUARDIAN OF THE MINOR, BUT NOT TO BOTH.
D. FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, "HIGHWAY":
1. MEANS THE ENTIRE WIDTH BETWEEN THE BOUNDARY LINES OF EVERY WAY PUBLICLY MAINTAINED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, THE DEPARTMENT OR A CITY, TOWN OR COUNTY IF ANY PART OF THE WAY IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSES OF VEHICULAR TRAVEL OTHER THAN EXCLUSIVE OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE USE.
2. DOES NOT INCLUDE ROUTES DESIGNATED FOR OFF-HIGHWAY VEHICLE USE.



Best regards,

Senator Sine Kerr
Majority Whip
Legislative District 25
602-926-5955
[email protected]
Chair Natural Resources, Energy, & Water Committee
Vice Chair Committee on Director Nominees
Education Committee
Appropriations Committee
Rules Committee



-----Original Message-----
From:
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2024 5:02 PM
To: Sine Kerr <[email protected]>
Subject: SB 1567
Senator

In reading and watching the news, it appears this bill you have proposed has been signed by the governor. Working for government all my career, I was surprised how quickly and quietly this passed. While I don’t have an issue with some of the bill such as the safety course or open containers, I don’t like how the driver’s license requirement will effect families enjoying off roading.

In my family we raised our kids riding and respecting the desert. However, this law prohibits today’s families from doing the same. Also, was any thought given to how this will impact small businesses selling motorcycles/safety equipment for kids? Kids can hunt but not ride a dirt bike?

Also, I question the true intent of this bill as “safety” when the safety course requirement goes away in a few years.

I hope you can give me a better explanation then the media and government websites I have researched regarding this.

Thank you for your time.

 

[RiverDave]

Well I for one have a problem with the open container bullshit.. why was that even brought up?

RD

 

[Nosocks]

Well I for one have a problem with the open container bullshit.. why was that even brought up?

RD

I still don't understand it. If I've got a trash bag in the cargo box that I cannot reach, I'd think this would fall in the usual logic for cars - open containers in the trunk or truck bed is cool. Or in an SUV they have to be at the far back where you couldn't reasonably reach them.

If this keeps that same logic, then cool. I've seen companies that make little trash bags that mount on the back - their sales will rise.

 

[EarpRider]

Well I for one have a problem with the open container bullshit.. why was that even brought up?

RD

Looks like that was already a law (4-251) that went into effect March 8th of 2022, this Bill just extends it.

 

[riverroyal]

Empty cans in the desert coming up....

 

[04-24Stealth]

Looks like that was already a law (4-251) that went into effect March 8th of 2022, this Bill just extends it.

All I saw in that law was in a public highway or right of way. So I guess if you drink a beer in the dirt then drive your Rzr can am jeep back on a public road you’d be guilty. Before the law were you able to drink a beer in the passenger seat on the highway?

 

[EarpRider]

All I saw in that law was in a public highway or right of way. So I guess if you drink a beer in the dirt then drive your Rzr can am jeep back on a public road you’d be guilty. Before the law were you able to drink a beer in the passenger seat on the highway?

Kinda sounds like a catch all to me- BLM land, State trust, Havasu city, etc...