Looks like Charlie has one foot on a banana peel

[Ouderkirk]

Charlie Manson is in the hospital and, as one source familiar with his situation tells TMZ, "it's not going to get any better for him."

We're told Manson was rushed to a Bakersfield hospital 3 days ago, and has been wheeled around on a gurney for various treatments ... escorted by 5 uniformed cops.

We're told the 83-year-old Manson, who lays still covered in blankets, looks ashen.

Our sources say Manson's health has been steadily deteriorating and, as it was put to us, "It's just a matter of time."

http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/15/charles-manson-hospitalized-near-death/

 

[dribble]

Well that was about 55 years overdue.

 

[Outdrive1]

They should just push the gurney on down to the trash compactor and hit the on button.

 

[rmarion]

what a WASTE of air..... i wonder how much $$$$ was spent on keeping that Phuq alive,,,,

 

[Advantage 1]

Its a ruse... he is trying to escape.

 

[AzGeo]

So is Charlie passing his "Helter Skelter" blueprints onto Obama or Maxine Waters ?

Inquiring minds want to know .................

 

[was thatguy]

Manson is a curious case study to me.
He is likely the most infamous name for the face of monsters in my generation...except perhaps Ted Bundy.
The curious part is that Manson never actually killed any one.
We have spent nearly my whole lifetime keeping him alive and in jail.
Yet we have released an untold number of people during that time that have actually committed murder.

I do not understand life without parole. If someone earns life without parole, what is the point?

I'm all for 5 year max wait for appeals then throw the switch for crimes that earn the death penalty or life without

Manson had life with the chance for parole, yet I believe parole was never in the cards from day one. We wasted an ocean of cash on that stupid fucker because of his sentence structure.

 

[AzGeo]

Manson is a curious case study to me.
He is likely the most infamous name for the face of monsters in my generation...except perhaps Ted Bundy.
The curious part is that Manson never actually killed any one.
We have spent nearly my whole lifetime keeping him alive and in jail.
Yet we have released an untold number of people during that time that have actually committed murder.

I do not understand life without parole. If someone earns life without parole, what is the point?

I'm all for 5 year max wait for appeals then throw the switch for crimes that earn the death penalty or life without

Manson had life with the chance for parole, yet I believe parole was never in the cards from day one. We wasted an ocean of cash on that stupid fucker because of his sentence structure.

Had you read about him , two "minor family members" swore that Charlie killed 2 guys on 2 different occasions , up at Spahn ranch . Their bodies were never found, but you need to also remember the family had a "hide out" in the desert , and so they drove dune buggies much of the time , even while in the SFV .

Finding NO BODIES does not mean crimes or deaths did not occur .

Finding no bodies means that he is "innocent until proven guilty" ....................

 

[bowtiejunkie]

He was originally sentenced to death; however; the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional in 1972, until 1976. Those on death row had their sentence reduced to life with possibility of parole (Not sure if this was case for all death row inmates).

The book Helter Skelter is quite the read.

 

[4Waters]

He was originally sentenced to death; however; the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional in 1972, until 1976. Those on death row had their sentence reduced to life with possibility of parole (Not sure if this was case for all death row inmates).

The book Helter Skelter is quite the read.

You can thank Jerry "shit stain" Brown for that.

 

[Willie B]

...I have a number of Manson stories but I think I will wait till he clocks out before I start posting them...

 

[FROGMAN524]

The LaBianca house is right up the street from where I grew up. My mom went to high school with their daughter Cory LaBianca. I went to the same high school.

 

[hallett21]

...I have a number of Manson stories but I think I will wait till he clocks out before I start posting them...

Worried he lurks here lol?

 

[Old Texan]

Always amazed me at the power of the mind the little squirrely punk projected. His drones were so true to him and he scared shit out of many that came into his view. He was caged because of how dangerous he could potentially be in tricking weak minded idiots to do his evil.

Hopefully he'll get back to hell sooner than later......

 

[Deja_Vu]

They should just push the gurney on down to the trash compactor and hit the on button.

Exactly. Take out the garbage.
I wish they didn't give such media attention to convicted killers. Let them die without plastering their ugly faces on the news.

 

[was thatguy]

Exactly. Take out the garbage.
I wish they didn't give such media attention to convicted killers. Let them die without plastering their ugly faces on the news.

I agree, and it's kind of the point of my other post.
There have been worse offenders, but EVERYONE knows who Manson is.

Ask 100 people who Gary Ridgeway is and half of them will just stare at you.

 

[DRYHEAT]

what a WASTE of air..... i wonder how much $$$$ was spent on keeping that Phuq alive,,,,

Too much. Keep him alive a little longer so he can suffer in agony.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Thank the bassackwards state of CA for that, TX would have shot him in the back of the head in the courthouse right after the verdict.

 

[Old Texan]

Thank the bassackwards state of CA for that, TX would have shot him in the back of the head in the courthouse right after the verdict.

Nawwww......They'd have taken him out back and then shot him. Too much mess inside to clean up.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Nawwww......They'd have taken him out back and then shot him. Too much mess inside to clean up.

Well yea, that was the jist of it.

 

[Old Texan]

I agree, and it's kind of the point of my other post.
There have been worse offenders, but EVERYONE knows who Manson is.

Ask 100 people who Gary Ridgeway is and half of them will just stare at you.

My buddy and I moved to TX in 1972 and I got a job managing a Long John Silvers. A kid who worked in my store disappeared a little over a week before I started.

A couple years later I was shocked to see his name listed as one of 28 young boys killed by a serial killer who was killed by a couple kids that helped lure teen boys to his killing room. Freaked me out to find out this shit went on in the neighborhood where I worked. Frank Aguirre was the kid that was one of the victims. I met his Uncle who came to get the kid's last check. The family was frantic when he just vanished......A year later, they found out where he went. Sickening mess how these boys were tortured to death and buried like animals in a boat shed and along beaches.



Dean Arnold Corll[2] (December 24, 1939 – August 8, 1973) was an American serial killer who, along with teenaged accomplices David Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr., abducted, raped, tortured, and murdered at least 28 boys in a series of killings spanning from 1970 to 1973 in Houston, Texas. The crimes, which became known as the Houston Mass Murders, came to light after Henley fatally shot Corll.

Corll's victims were typically lured to a succession of addresses in which he resided between 1970 and 1973 with an offer of a party or a lift. They would then be restrained by either force or deception, and all were killed by either strangulation or shooting with a .22-caliber pistol. Corll and his accomplices buried 17 of their victims in a rented boat shed; four other victims were buried in woodland near Lake Sam Rayburn; one further victim was buried on a beach in Jefferson County; and at least six victims were buried on a beach on the Bolivar Peninsula.

Corll was also known as the Candy Man and the Pied Piper, because he and his family had owned and operated a candy factory in Houston Heights, and he had been known to give free candy to local children.

At the time of their discovery, the Houston Mass Murders were considered the worst example of serial murder in American history.[

 

[was thatguy]

My buddy and I moved to TX in 1972 and I got a job managing a Long John Silvers. A kid who worked in my store disappeared a little over a week before I started.

A couple years later I was shocked to see his name listed as one of 28 young boys killed by a serial killer who was killed by a couple kids that helped lure teen boys to his killing room. Freaked me out to find out this shit went on in the neighborhood where I worked. Frank Aguirre was the kid that was one of the victims. I met his Uncle who came to get the kid's last check. The family was frantic when he just vanished......A year later, they found out where he went. Sickening mess how these boys were tortured to death and buried like animals in a boat shed and along beaches.



Dean Arnold Corll[2] (December 24, 1939 – August 8, 1973) was an American serial killer who, along with teenaged accomplices David Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr., abducted, raped, tortured, and murdered at least 28 boys in a series of killings spanning from 1970 to 1973 in Houston, Texas. The crimes, which became known as the Houston Mass Murders, came to light after Henley fatally shot Corll.

Corll's victims were typically lured to a succession of addresses in which he resided between 1970 and 1973 with an offer of a party or a lift. They would then be restrained by either force or deception, and all were killed by either strangulation or shooting with a .22-caliber pistol. Corll and his accomplices buried 17 of their victims in a rented boat shed; four other victims were buried in woodland near Lake Sam Rayburn; one further victim was buried on a beach in Jefferson County; and at least six victims were buried on a beach on the Bolivar Peninsula.

Corll was also known as the Candy Man and the Pied Piper, because he and his family had owned and operated a candy factory in Houston Heights, and he had been known to give free candy to local children.

At the time of their discovery, the Houston Mass Murders were considered the worst example of serial murder in American history.[

Sounds like Gacy, another real gem with 33 bodies stacked. Here's the thing with Manson.
He influenced and directed his disciples to kill in order to start a race war. "Helter Skelter", as we all know.
This resulted in the deaths of, what, 7 people?
2 horrific scenes and an unborn child to boot.

Now here is where it gets confusing to me.
Right now, in this Country, we have Imams openly calling for their disciples to do the exact same thing.
Nidal Hasan killed 13 people in his spree, Fort Hood, and it can be argued that he was influenced by his Imam.

 

[Ziggy]

Manson is a curious case study to me.
He is likely the most infamous name for the face of monsters in my generation...except perhaps Ted Bundy.
The curious part is that Manson never actually killed any one.
We have spent nearly my whole lifetime keeping him alive and in jail.
Yet we have released an untold number of people during that time that have actually committed murder.

I do not understand life without parole. If someone earns life without parole, what is the point?

I'm all for 5 year max wait for appeals then throw the switch for crimes that earn the death penalty or life without

Manson had life with the chance for parole, yet I believe parole was never in the cards from day one. We wasted an ocean of cash on that stupid fucker because of his sentence structure.

The 60's and 70's produced some hallucinating whacked out people. Manson was just one that made headlines and became a household name. Others vanished into oblivion and/or localized news.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I was watching the local ABC news affiliate which is based out of Santa Barbara (I almost NEVER watch them since they only show stories that have ties to Santa Barbara or are very left leaning slants to them). They started off their news cast with this story and then showed an old driver's license that listed Santa Barbara as his address. They interviewed a few people about it and they reacted like he still lived there. Really made those people look quiet stupid.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The 60's and 70's produced some hallucinating whacked out people. Manson was just one that made headlines and became a household name. Others vanished into oblivion and/or localized news.

the 2000s are producing some whacked outs as well with their synthetic pharmas.

 

[Ziggy]

the 2000s are producing some whacked outs as well with their synthetics pharmas.

Cavemen had Peyote to help them get all fuckered up.
The 60/70's sent them to the "Far Out" destination.
The 2000'nds sent them to moms basement with a laptop.

 

[was thatguy]

The 2000'nds sent them to moms basement with a laptop.

And Ritalin.

 

[wsuwrhr]

And Ritalin.

Ritalin has been around for 35 years

 

[was thatguy]

Ritalin has been around for 35 years

Ok
Prozac, zanie bars, soma, etc.

 

[Ziggy]

I'll say, the 80's were "Irie" .......mon

 

[pronstar]

Met the assistant warden at Corcoran prison several years back.
He said Manson was basically a normal dude - could turn on the charm and be cool, or could be a jerk.
Oh, and he also liked to kill people.

 

[AzGeo]

...I have a number of Manson stories but I think I will wait till he clocks out before I start posting them...

In 1968/69 , I worked at (what was back then) Hughes Market , on Devonshire at Canoga Ave .

Members of the "Manson Family" would drive up in 3 "rat rod dune buggies" , and park out front of the market . Sometimes "within the lines, often not", but always 8 to 10 people would "mob" the store in a "buying frenzy" .

The manager would always say after they left; "look around a let me know what they didn't pay for" .

They "liked" the self serve cookie and candy isle , the beer cooler , meat , smokes , and BOOZE of all kinds .

Funny ! Those "flower children" , didn't care too much for the fruits and vegetables areas ...........

It was obvious that they didn't know were the SOAP isle was .

Had no idea WHO they were at the time , "just Hippies" , living in a semi rural area of the valley .

 

[jetboatperformance]

Sick Fuk , good ridance Charlie , bury him face doen so He can scratch his way to Hell

 

[DC-88]

In 1968/69 , I worked at (what was back then) Hughes Market , on Devonshire at Canoga Ave .

Members of the "Manson Family" would drive up in 3 "rat rod dune buggies" , and park out front of the market . Sometimes "within the lines, often not", but always 8 to 10 people would "mob" the store in a "buying frenzy" .

I just finished building a custom home for a guy who was the LE team leader on one of the initial raids at the ranch. Last week he was telling me how on that raid the warrant was really just for stolen VW parts they used in those buggies. Later he realized how their demeanor had instantly changed when the Manson crew put it together that the cops weren't yet onto the connection with what had already been the first murder(s). When this news broke on Manson's health he told me another story about how earlier he'd pulled a single cab truck with 3 in front over on HWY 1 and Manson was in the bed under a blanket with a chick making motions like he was gonna pull out a gun, taunting them. He only had a ride along guy there with him(not a cop) and no backup called for since it was a routine stop, so he cautiously pulls them all out and Manson had a gun in his pants. It eats him up how they probably could've saved a lot of people a lot of misery and wasted tax $$ right then and there.....

 

[Willie B]

In 1968/69 , I worked at (what was back then) Hughes Market , on Devonshire at Canoga Ave .

Members of the "Manson Family" would drive up in 3 "rat rod dune buggies" , and park out front of the market . Sometimes "within the lines, often not", but always 8 to 10 people would "mob" the store in a "buying frenzy" .

I just finished building a custom home for a guy who was the LE team leader on one of the initial raids at the ranch. Last week he was telling me how on that raid the warrant was really just for stolen VW parts they used in those buggies. Later he realized how their demeanor had instantly changed when the Manson crew put it together that the cops weren't yet onto the connection with what had already been the first murder(s). When this news broke on Manson's health he told me another story about how earlier he'd pulled a single cab truck with 3 in front over on HWY 1 and Manson was in the bed under a blanket with a chick making motions like he was gonna pull out a gun, taunting them. He only had a ride along guy there with him(not a cop) and no backup called for since it was a routine stop, so he cautiously pulls them all out and Manson had a gun in his pants. It eats him up how they probably could've saved a lot of people a lot of misery and wasted tax $$ right then and there.....

...Manson doesn’t deserve all the ink he is getting over his health issues...

 

[rvrrun]

...Manson doesn’t deserve all the ink he is getting over his health issues...

Who?

 

[GRADS]

His drones were so true to him and he scared shit out of many that came into his view. He was caged because of how dangerous he could potentially be in tricking weak minded idiots to do his evil.

You talking about RiverDave and RDP?

 

[cnj]

So, is Manson dead yet? That's really all this thread should be about......

 

[shunter2005]

My buddy and I moved to TX in 1972 and I got a job managing a Long John Silvers. A kid who worked in my store disappeared a little over a week before I started.

A couple years later I was shocked to see his name listed as one of 28 young boys killed by a serial killer who was killed by a couple kids that helped lure teen boys to his killing room. Freaked me out to find out this shit went on in the neighborhood where I worked. Frank Aguirre was the kid that was one of the victims. I met his Uncle who came to get the kid's last check. The family was frantic when he just vanished......A year later, they found out where he went. Sickening mess how these boys were tortured to death and buried like animals in a boat shed and along beaches.



Dean Arnold Corll[2] (December 24, 1939 – August 8, 1973) was an American serial killer who, along with teenaged accomplices David Brooks and Elmer Wayne Henley, Jr., abducted, raped, tortured, and murdered at least 28 boys in a series of killings spanning from 1970 to 1973 in Houston, Texas. The crimes, which became known as the Houston Mass Murders, came to light after Henley fatally shot Corll.

Corll's victims were typically lured to a succession of addresses in which he resided between 1970 and 1973 with an offer of a party or a lift. They would then be restrained by either force or deception, and all were killed by either strangulation or shooting with a .22-caliber pistol. Corll and his accomplices buried 17 of their victims in a rented boat shed; four other victims were buried in woodland near Lake Sam Rayburn; one further victim was buried on a beach in Jefferson County; and at least six victims were buried on a beach on the Bolivar Peninsula.

Corll was also known as the Candy Man and the Pied Piper, because he and his family had owned and operated a candy factory in Houston Heights, and he had been known to give free candy to local children.

At the time of their discovery, the Houston Mass Murders were considered the worst example of serial murder in American history.[

My wife had some cousins that lived in the Heights area of Houston. Elmer Wayne Henley was one of their childhood "friends". So much so, that he even came over had dinner with the family on many occasions. Henley and Brooks found and delivered most of the boys to Corll. He managed to get the older cousin alone and took him to Corll's house, from which he never returned. Later, before any of this came to light and her cousin was still missing, Henley tried to get the younger cousin alone, so he could deliver him to Corll. Luckily, he wasn't able to pull it off. Dean Corll got off easy. Elmer Wayne Henley killed him. He has come up for parole several times (like Manson), but has been denied each time.

On a side note*** Many years before I retired from the District Attorney's office in Harris County, we moved into a brand new building. I was asked to assist in cleaning out the two safes in our old building and transferring all the stored property and evidence to the new building. First thing I saw when I entered the big walk-in safe was Dean Corll's still intact torture board (complete with handcuffs still attached) that he used to abuse and kill many of those boys. It was pretty rudimentary, but I will say that even though I had been a LEO for over 30 years, it sent chills up and down my spine. A symbol of pure evil.

 

[l84theriv]

Word on the street is this sick fuck is finally dead!!!!

 

[4Waters]

Word on the street is this sick fuck is finally dead!!!!

I fucking hope so, I hope it wasn't peaceful, I hope he was in pain.

 

[Gelcoater]

You talking about RiverDave and RDP?

Hillary and you would be a closer comparison.

 

[4Waters]

Apparently Debra Tate confirmed that she received a call from California State prison coroner at 8:30 tonight 11/19 that Charlie Manson had died. Hope it's true.

 

[4Waters]

Kcal 9 is about to report on it, R.I.H. (rest in hell) Charlie Manson.

 

[Willie B]

... kind of odd but I kind of feel a sense of relief...If there is some sort of hereafter I hope his hereafter is far worse than the hell his twisted mind made his innocent victims endure...
...I don’t even know where to start with the stories???.,,

 

[cnj]

Yep. He is dead. It is in the media now. Adios, azzhole!

 

[Deltarat]

The only part of this that really bugs me is that he did in fact get out of prison before his death, I truly believe he should have know he was going to die in jail as he was dying.

 

[Sandlord]

now hes dead

 

[4Waters]

It's nice not having to share oxygen with that POS.

 

[WhatExit?]

On the night of August 9, 1969, Manson directed Watson to take Susan Atkins, Linda Kasabian, and Patricia Krenwinkel to Melcher's former home and kill everyone there. He told the three women to do as Watson told them. The Family members proceeded to kill five people: actress Sharon Tate (who was eight months pregnant), who was living there at the time; Jay Sebring, Abigail Folger, and Wojciech Frykowski, who were visiting her; and Steven Parent, who had been visiting the caretaker of the home. Atkins wrote "pig" in blood on the front door as they left. The murders created a nationwide sensation.

The next night of August 10, 1969, six Family members—Leslie Van Houten, Steve "Clem" Grogan, and the four from the previous night—drove out on Manson's orders. Displeased by the panic of the victims at Cielo Drive, Manson accompanied the six, "to show them how to do it."[1]:176–184, 258–269[42]After a few hours' ride, in which he considered a number of murders and even attempted one of them,[1]:258–269[42] Manson gave Kasabian directions that brought the group to 3301 Waverly Drive. This was the home of supermarket executive Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary, a dress shop co-owner.[1]:22–25, 42–48 Located in the Los Feliz section of Los Angeles, it was next door to a house at which Manson and Family members had attended a party the previous year.[1]:176–184, 204–210

According to Atkins and Kasabian, Manson disappeared up the driveway and returned to say he had tied up the house's occupants. He then sent Watson up with Krenwinkel and Van Houten.[1]:176–184, 258–269 In his autobiography, Watson stated that having gone up alone, Manson returned to take him up to the house with him. After Manson pointed out a sleeping man through a window, the two of them entered through the unlocked back door.[42] Watson added at trial, he "went along with" the women's account, which he figured made him "look that much less responsible."[43]

As Watson related it, Manson roused the sleeping Leno LaBianca from the couch at gunpoint and had Watson bind his hands with a leather thong. After Rosemary was brought briefly into the living room from the bedroom, Watson followed Manson's instructions to cover the couple's heads with pillowcases. He bound these in place with lamp cords. Manson left, sending Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten into the house with instructions that the couple be killed.[1]:176–184, 258–269[42]

Before leaving Spahn Ranch, Watson had complained to Manson of the inadequacy of the previous night's weapons.[1]:258–269 Now, sending the women from the kitchen to the bedroom to which Rosemary LaBianca had been returned, he went to the living room and began stabbing Leno LaBianca with a chrome-plated bayonet. The first thrust went into the man's throat.[42]

Sounds of a scuffle in the bedroom drew Watson there to discover Mrs. LaBianca keeping the women at bay by swinging the lamp tied to her neck. After subduing her with several stabs of the bayonet, he returned to the living room and resumed attacking Leno, whom he stabbed a total of 12 times with the bayonet. When he had finished, Watson carved "WAR" on the man's exposed abdomen. He stated this in his autobiography.[42] In an unclear portion of her eventual grand jury testimony, Atkins, who did not enter the LaBianca house, said she believed Krenwinkel had carved the word.[1]:176–184[44] In a ghost-written newspaper account based on a statement she had made earlier to her attorney,[1]:160,193 she said Watson carved it.[45]

Returning to the bedroom, Watson found Krenwinkel stabbing Rosemary LaBianca with a knife from the LaBianca kitchen. Heeding Manson's instruction to make sure each of the women played a part, Watson told Van Houten to stab Mrs. LaBianca too.[42] She did, stabbing her approximately 16 times in the back and the exposed buttocks.[1]:204–210, 297–300, 341–344 At trial, Van Houten would claim, uncertainly,[1]:433 that Rosemary LaBianca was dead when she stabbed her. Evidence showed that many of Mrs. LaBianca's 41 stab wounds had, in fact, been inflicted post-mortem.[1]:44, 206, 297, 341–42, 380, 404, 406–07, 433

While Watson cleaned off the bayonet and showered, Krenwinkel wrote "Rise" and "Death to pigs" on the walls and "Healter [sic] Skelter" on the refrigerator door, all in LaBianca's blood. She gave Leno LaBianca 14 puncture wounds with an ivory-handled, two-tined carving fork, which she left jutting out of his stomach. She also planted a steak knife in his throat.[1]:176–184, 258–269[42]

Meanwhile, hoping for a double crime, Manson had gone on to direct Kasabian to drive to the Venice home of an actor acquaintance of hers, another "piggy". Depositing the other three Family members who had departed Spahn with him that evening at the man's apartment building, Manson drove back to Spahn Ranch, leaving them and the LaBianca killers to hitchhike home.[1]:176–184, 258–269 Kasabian thwarted this murder by deliberately knocking on the wrong apartment door and waking a stranger. As the group abandoned the murder plan and left, Atkins defecated in the stairwell.[1]:270–273

Above from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manson_Family