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"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent.

"And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."

Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle also told Fox Chicago: "This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously."

She added that she had to abandon her car and hitch a ride with a friend because her car wouldn't charge.
 

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"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent.

"And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."

Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle also told Fox Chicago: "This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously."

She added that she had to abandon her car and hitch a ride with a friend because her car wouldn't charge.

And your point?
Tesla owners are just as stupid as Ford owners who run out of gas. 🤷‍♂️
 

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Some gold from the article:

Kevin Sumrak told Fox that he landed at Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Sunday and found his car would not start.

Hr had to hire a truck to haul his car to a charging station that worked.



1) Kevin the Green lands in a jet
2) Calls diesel powered tow truck
3) Finds a coal powered charging station
4) Probably waits inside at the gas station to stay warm where it is heated by natural gas
 

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"Nothing. No juice. Still on zero percent.

"And this is like three hours being out here after being out here three hours yesterday."

Tesla owner Chalis Mizelle also told Fox Chicago: "This is crazy. It’s a disaster. Seriously."

She added that she had to abandon her car and hitch a ride with a friend because her car wouldn't charge.


We have had some weather the last few days. Was talking to a buddy yesterday and he said his Tesla lost over half its range and doesnt charge for shit🤣
 

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And your point?
Tesla owners are just as stupid as Ford owners who run out of gas. 🤷‍♂️
The point is EV tech isn't all what it's cracked up to be yet. This is just another example of why the government should force people to adapt to a technology that isn't worked out and ready. California doesn't have the grid to supply everyone if they had a EV tomorrow.

EV are great don't get me wrong but you won't catch in one anytime soon because there aren't enough charging stations for starters and secondly again our grid is already maxed out in the summers.
 

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The point is EV tech isn't all what it's cracked up to be yet. This is just another example of why the government should force people to adapt to a technology that isn't worked out and ready. California doesn't have the grid to supply everyone if they had a EV tomorrow.

EV are great don't get me wrong but you won't catch in one anytime soon because there aren't enough charging stations for starters and secondly again our grid is already maxed out in the summers.
40% non Tesla will be broken BTW.
 

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You don’t lose 40% of your fuel in ICE motors when it gets cold 😂
Where did you get that math?
Watch the video and the guy has energy wasting resistance heating and had lost nowhere near those numbers. Most and New EVs have far more efficient (direct expansion) heat pumps. Expect 2% to 7% as far as I'm concerned from our experiences.
 

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Some gold from the article:

Kevin Sumrak told Fox that he landed at Chicago O'Hare International Airport on Sunday and found his car would not start.

Hr had to hire a truck to haul his car to a charging station that worked.



1) Kevin the Green lands in a jet
2) Calls diesel powered tow truck
3) Finds a coal powered charging station
4) Probably waits inside at the gas station to stay warm where it is heated by natural gas
In Chicago they aren't coal powered.... Nuclear. It snowed for 2 days prior to it getting cold, all the solar panels are covered.
 

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The high temp since Saturday has not been greater than -10 below zero with -20 to -24 overnight. You're stretching the performance of the electronics that run it all at those temps and who knows about the chemistry of the battery. Once the cars are cold soaked I think they are fooked until it is brought in and warmed up in a garage. I can only imagine the chargers themselves are suffering performance issues as well.
 

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Ford recommends to use the heated steering wheel and seats and turn off the HVAC system to conserve battery usage in cold temps. Tough message to tell somebody that has a $100,000 Lightning.
 

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Where did you get that math?
Watch the video and the guy has energy wasting resistance heating and had lost nowhere near those numbers. Most and New EVs have far more efficient (direct expansion) heat pumps. Expect 2% to 7% as far as I'm concerned from our experiences.


I’m only speaking to the Tesla brand but here ya go…



“Driving electric vehicles in cold temperatures has the unfortunate effect of slashing an EV’s driving range; a AAA study found range can be reduced by 41% on average when the temperature drops from 75 degrees Fahrenheit to 20 degrees and the climate control system is used to heat the cabin. For cold-weather EV shoppers, take this time to shake your fist at warm-weather, EV-loving Californians.”
 

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The high temp since Saturday has not been greater than -10 below zero with -20 to -24 overnight. You're stretching the performance of the electronics that run it all at those temps and who knows about the chemistry of the battery. Once the cars are cold soaked I think they are fooked until it is brought in and warmed up in a garage. I can only imagine the chargers themselves are suffering performance issues as well.

Exactly what my buddy said and it's only been around 16⁰ at the lowest here. He had to pull his bronco out to pull in the Tesla, heat up the garage, let it set for 24hrs and it finally started charging at a normal rate. Meanwhile his wife has been driving his 500hp '66 or '67 bronco🤣🤣
 

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I keep toying with setting up a mobile charge rig. But I doubt you’d stay busy enough to make it a career. But if you could charge $100 for a 30 min quick charge? Probably wouldn’t work when AAA will tow you to a charger.

I wonder how many tow truck companies are considering charging rigs.
 

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50 to 69% less than mileage the car estimated. Reporter stated re-charge costs were as much as gasoline. But forget that, took the trip an enormous more amount of time vs a vehicle with the ICE

 

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You don’t lose 40% of your fuel in ICE motors when it gets cold 😂
But the 12V battery (that starts the car) does lose anywhere between 20-50% of its available energy.

On the plus side, you can jump start a 12V battery or carry one of those hand held booster pack style jumpers.

Ain't going to do that with an EV
 

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But the 12V battery (that starts the car) does lose anywhere between 20-50% of its available energy.

On the plus side, you can jump start a 12V battery or carry one of those hand held booster pack style jumpers.

Ain't going to do that with an EV
Shoot, just pick yourself up a can of electricity and walk it to your EV...DUH!
 

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Silly people... Don't they realize Teslas or any EV is just a toy car.... You can't expect to play with it every day
 

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I keep toying with setting up a mobile charge rig. But I doubt you’d stay busy enough to make it a career. But if you could charge $100 for a 30 min quick charge? Probably wouldn’t work when AAA will tow you to a charger.

I wonder how many tow truck companies are considering charging rigs.
Make it a side gig and drive by the charging station in the evenings when the line is backed up.
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We have a Tesla in the fleet. Great in town car, plug and go. No issues at all in the 3 years of ownership.

It’s not that hard….really….car warns you in many ways (just like a gasoline gauge) when you’re going to run out of juice. If those owners can’t properly plan, sorry to say they are morons…it’s not the vehicles fault.
 

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EV's are only for those that charge at home.
USA isn't there yet.
We got an update on the EV6 that activated the system that conditions the batteries. They don't like hot nor cold.
Gas car don't run that well in extreme cold either.
 
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What I find odd is they keep building new gas stations near my house, I don't see charging stations being built. There must be 7 or 8 new stations within 5 miles of my house. I'm talking a year or 2 old.
 

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A bunch of hey seeds cackling around a cracker barrel.
 

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What I find odd is they keep building new gas stations near my house, I don't see charging stations being built. There must be 7 or 8 new stations within 5 miles of my house. I'm talking a year or 2 old.
It can easily be $1 million to build a charging station goes the tales. No reliable chargers are out there other than Teslas. BTW Elon is only opening 30% of Tesla chargers to non Teslas at this time.

The NACS adoption is good but still what good is it if the non-Tesla chargers don't work? Also, if it doesn't allow simply plug and charge with out app hassles, what good will that be?

Notice how simple a Tesla Charger is.

Look how complicated Non-Tesla Chargers are. At the CES in Vegas MFGs are introducing even more complicated and expensive chargers.

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Lincoln Electric, the welder people have introduce a super simple, reliable, low cost and adaptable charger. I bought their stock Friday and lost $50 on it yesterday. None the less they look promising.

More gas stations in Cali is a good sign. Surprised in Cali Newsom hasn't over-reached his authority and banned gas station construction. More have been and are being built along the I 58. Especially good now that Kramer Junction on the 395 has been bypassed.
After the POTUS election Newsom will go back to his unconstitutional shenanigans.
 
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All the cold weather EV charging and range data has been available for years.

This isn't new hard, tricky in any way, just a tiny bit different.
 

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I was in Chicago this weekend for the boat show.

The entire airport was ground to a halt on Sunday because the fuel trucks weren't running. They weren't electric.

Where was the news crew?
 

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I was in Chicago this weekend for the boat show.

The entire airport was ground to a halt on Sunday because the fuel trucks weren't running. They weren't electric.

Where was the news crew?

That’s the airport. It’s expected to fail.
 

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We have a Tesla in the fleet. Great in town car, plug and go. No issues at all in the 3 years of ownership.

It’s not that hard….really….car warns you in many ways (just like a gasoline gauge) when you’re going to run out of juice. If those owners can’t properly plan, sorry to say they are morons…it’s not the vehicles fault.
I’d agree 100% running around town. It’s the inaccurate range/deception on road trips that i have a problem with. Our trip to Havasu is 250mi door to door. When you type the trip into the Nav it should tell you immediately the accurate range. Instead of the ever decreasing adjustments on the fly. That’s fine if you’re traveling in populated areas. It sucks on the 40.
 

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If EV manufacturers could triple the actual range (not the fantasized advertised range) in cold weather they still wouldn’t work in rural America.

The video above of that guy in Denver driving around in an EV with his drivers window fogged over is telling.

EV’s are clearly a novelty for some who enjoy trying something different, which I certainly support.
I an however vehemently opposed to any requirement to use an EV for anything.
 

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If EV manufacturers could triple the actual range (not the fantasized advertised range) in cold weather they still wouldn’t work in rural America.

The video above of that guy in Denver driving around in an EV with his drivers window fogged over is telling.

EV’s are clearly a novelty for some who enjoy trying something different, which I certainly support.
I an however vehemently opposed to any requirement to use an EV for anything.

EV's have a place for " SOME " not all. Apparently not in Chicago 🤣 I don't live in Chicago, I live in Sunny so cal and have a nice solar setup that covers all of the homes power needs and charged our commuter to run 14K miles in 2023. That is novelty that I enjoy.

I would never want only EV's and would never be in favor of mandates but they do have a place for some.

Curious how many inmates who hate EV's run electric golf carts ?
 

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They are the same thing.. a novelty as you said. I don’t think you will find anyone that will say EVs don’t have a place.

But forcing EVs into every transportation solution is where the problem is.

I dont agree with them always being a novelty, but everyone I know agrees with the rest.
 
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