Lets talk about 20 somethings living at home

[jetboatperformance]

When I returned from boot camp , my Old man said I was "on my own" and I couldnt live at my childhood home anymore , in effect I got the boot , ended up sleeping at a friends house for a while on the floor I resented Him for it till the day he died. I was a good kid He was just a mean tight ass . I wasnt a free loader just thought it was pretty mercenary. Been on my own every since made my own way in life and looking back maybe it was "tough love" I'm not that way. When My Son and family were on some tough times We moved them in to our place for 3 years till they could get back on thier feet, wasnt easy but it was the right thing to do.... Bad Move "Pops"

 

[stillhustlin]

As someone in their 20s (27) I thought I could chime in. I was born and raised in SoCal but moved to Utah for college. What I’ve noticed is a lot more people live in home in CA. Much less common in Utah. I moved back to SoCal when I graduated college and had a good job working as a project engineer for a large commercial gc but opted to live at home. I was saving money and my parents house was significantly nicer then anything I could have rented. I did that for a year and a half, Covid hit, and I said screw it and went back to Utah. Now that my friends in SoCal are in their late 20s most are moving out but it’s still common for some to live at home. In Utah rent is reasonable and kids seemed to want to take flight as soon as they are 18. A lot of people I know in Utah own homes in their 20s. I think really high cost areas are a harder place to make it when your young even if your single and making good money.

 

[monkeyswrench]

In a way, my kids are screwed. I couldn't help them a ton financially anyway. I won't be a tightwad...difference between being broke and being cheap. My parents always supported my sister, cars rent and food. I understood, it was for her kids' well-being. She had a small herd, and Pops didn't want any kids, related or not, to grow up like he did. My older brother lived at home until he got married, at 38. My parents gave him the down for his 1st home. He'd lost the home, and he and his wife moved back with my Mom. It really bothered me, as his wife is a fairly high rank person for the county, and he was a school administrator.

In honesty, I think the hard knocks and stubbornness are what allowed me to do what I do. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I have survived pretty well. If my kids choose to listen, I can tell them what I'd have done differently, and I hope that has some value. I don't think it should be about cost to the parents financially, but what the parents can do to help their kids be prepared for a time they aren't there anymore, whatever can please all parties.

 

[attitude]

As someone in their 20s (27) I thought I could chime in. I was born and raised in SoCal but moved to Utah for college. What I’ve noticed is a lot more people live in home in CA. Much less common in Utah. I moved back to SoCal when I graduated college and had a good job working as a project engineer for a large commercial gc but opted to live at home. I was saving money and my parents house was significantly nicer then anything I could have rented. I did that for a year and a half, Covid hit, and I said screw it and went back to Utah. Now that my friends in SoCal are in their late 20s most are moving out but it’s still common for some to live at home. In Utah rent is reasonable and kids seemed to want to take flight as soon as they are 18. A lot of people I know in Utah own homes in their 20s. I think really high cost areas are a harder place to make it when your young even if your single and making good money.

Nailed it, in SoCal IE you better make 100k a year to move out on a single income. Now how many 18 year olds are making a 100k a year? Covid really threw a wrench in things.

 

[Singleton]

Nailed it, in SoCal IE you better make 100k a year to move out on a single income. Now how many 18 year olds are making a 100k a year? Covid really threw a wrench in things.

Multiple factors at play. Rent in SoCal is insane, yet rooms can be rented for 800-1000 a month. Most kids (or their parents), don’t want their kids renting a room from someone.

Most companies will not hire FTE’s that young. Your lucky to get 24hrs a week, so kids out of high school that don’t join a trade, enlist or continue their education, are having to work 2 jobs to afford life.

 

[ChrisV]

Soft parents. My Vietnamese mom kicked my ass out of the house at 23 and told me to figure it out. Best thing she ever did.

 

[Singleton]

Soft parents. My Vietnamese mom kicked my ass out of the house at 23 and told me to figure it out. Best thing she ever did.

Seeing your kids struggle is very difficult, but also is rewarding as you see them figure out life.

My oldest made a few bad moves when he graduated college. I told him = I will not help with rent (you signed the lease, you better know how to pay for it). But I did pay for a couple car repairs that needed to occur so his car was useable. He paid back both repairs and I sent the check back as voided!

 

[eand28]

Nailed it, in SoCal IE you better make 100k a year to move out on a single income. Now how many 18 year olds are making a 100k a year? Covid really threw a wrench in things.

It's not just socal that's like that. Most metropolitan areas are like that and interest rates are not helping the situation

 

[2Driver]

We both had great home lives growing up, but the thrill and exuberance of being completely on our own was beyond awesome.

We headed to Havasu with a few thousands in life savings to go work at McCulloch. We never ate out, hardly drank, brown bagged it at lunch. We funded our IRA the second year there. We bought used stuff at deal prices - furniture cars, boat. Any discretionary income lol went to boat gas and even then we launch at site six and went across to the coves on Ca side so a tank lasted a month sometimes.

Anyone can make it anytime, it just how much sacrifice you want to make to do it. Never seemed like a sacrifice or risky actually just the opposite

 

[CLdrinker]

My kids can live with us rent free on 2 conditions.
Going to school
Saving money.

Other than that it’s rent or get out.

Plus we are saving for them as well.

Hope to give them each 25-30k minimum. For a down payment on a house or for education

 

[lbhsbz]

Multiple factors at play. Rent in SoCal is insane, yet rooms can be rented for 800-1000 a month. Most kids (or their parents), don’t want their kids renting a room from someone.
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Buddy of mine has a place in Long Beach within a 1/2 block of Del Amo and Long Beach Blvd....not the greatest area....it's one of those 25ft wide split lots. Absolutely no parking within a block of the house. It's a 3 bedroom and he rents 2 of them out...each room comes with 1/2 the top shelf of the fridge and kitchen privileges, but nobody uses it because he makes them clean up after themselves. The 2 tenants share a bathroom, and he inspects it once a day to make sure it looks like new. He charges $1000/month per room.

This is basically a place to sleep....one of the rooms is rented to a commercial pilot who is in town once or twice a week for the night...works perfect for him. Conditions are not ideal for normal life, but it's what it is.

I think $1000 is on the low end...lots of converted garages in LB going for near $2000/month.

I left home my senior year in high school...only needed a handful of credits to graduate so I scheduled the important classes 0, 1st, and 2nd period and then split and went to work. This was in about '99....cheapest shithole room I could find was with a crackhead in Culver City for $200/month....everything else I could find was $400 +... 25 years ago. I decided to save money and live outta my truck. I was working for a contractor so I had plenty of lock combos to at least get behind a locked gate at night so nobody hassled me.

I couldn't afford to by my house today. I'd need $200K down and my payments with property taxes would be about $6K/month. That's fucking nuts. I'm certainly in the market to carry paper if I ever sell it though....just realized how that would work out as I was typing this post. Fuck. That's $3300/month over expenses

 

[Outdrive1]

My 26 year old daughter and her worthless bf are staying at my ex’s house. They don’t pay rent, they fuck up her house, and all she does is complain. I’ve told her multiple times, throw them the fuck out. Not only would it be good for my ex-wife’s sanity, but they will never grow up until they are forced to.

 

[Racey]

I can't help but think about all the sacrifices in their own lives so many parents made to "pay for a good education" for their kids, a noble endeavor no doubt. But only to be completely swindled by a higher education system that has not actually educated them in any useful way, has indoctrinated them with the merits of Marxist ideology, and has turned so many of them into an entitled class of assholes.

Everyone got sold a bill of goods, one that they didn't realize was to be delivered by a bunch of worthless communists, in other words, to never be delivered at all.

 

[lbhsbz]

I can't help but think about all the sacrifices in their own lives so many parents made to "pay for a good education" for their kids, a noble endeavor no doubt. But only to be completely swindled by a higher education system that has not actually educated them in any useful way, has indoctrinated them with the merits of Marxist ideology, and has turned so many of them into an entitled class of assholes.

Everyone got sold a bill of goods, one that they didn't realize was to be delivered by a bunch of worthless communists, in other words, to never be delivered at all.

Yeah...I'm a fuckup and didn't go to college...so my folks instead ended up with an income property and a vacation house in Mammoth. The disappointment was shortlived lol.

 

[mesquito_creek]

My mother in law rents a 3 bed 2 bath in the oak hills area of Hesperia for $1650. I go there often and spent a most 2 months there recently helping her with knee replacement… what am I missing?

 

[Your ad here]

In a way, my kids are screwed. I couldn't help them a ton financially anyway. I won't be a tightwad...difference between being broke and being cheap. My parents always supported my sister, cars rent and food. I understood, it was for her kids' well-being. She had a small herd, and Pops didn't want any kids, related or not, to grow up like he did. My older brother lived at home until he got married, at 38. My parents gave him the down for his 1st home. He'd lost the home, and he and his wife moved back with my Mom. It really bothered me, as his wife is a fairly high rank person for the county, and he was a school administrator.

In honesty, I think the hard knocks and stubbornness are what allowed me to do what I do. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I have survived pretty well. If my kids choose to listen, I can tell them what I'd have done differently, and I hope that has some value. I don't think it should be about cost to the parents financially, but what the parents can do to help their kids be prepared for a time they aren't there anymore, whatever can please all parties.

Your kids aren't screwed. Teach them the tools they need to be able to take care of themselves. Like I mentioned earlier, how to apply for a mortgage, look for a place to live that you won't go broke safely, and how much a mortgage really cost. They'll need a specialty skill level for whatever job they decide to choose or become self employed. A reality though is sometimes you have to move some distance to get started. A lot of people do this and its usually a good move. Sometimes a county over, a state over, across a country, and even halfway across the world.

 

[Looking Glass]

The parents are just a to blame. Having a Kid living at home at 24 is Obscene. Get Out, Get A Life.

 

[lbhsbz]

In a way, my kids are screwed. I couldn't help them a ton financially anyway. I won't be a tightwad...difference between being broke and being cheap. My parents always supported my sister, cars rent and food. I understood, it was for her kids' well-being. She had a small herd, and Pops didn't want any kids, related or not, to grow up like he did. My older brother lived at home until he got married, at 38. My parents gave him the down for his 1st home. He'd lost the home, and he and his wife moved back with my Mom. It really bothered me, as his wife is a fairly high rank person for the county, and he was a school administrator.

In honesty, I think the hard knocks and stubbornness are what allowed me to do what I do. I'm not wealthy by any means, but I have survived pretty well. If my kids choose to listen, I can tell them what I'd have done differently, and I hope that has some value. I don't think it should be about cost to the parents financially, but what the parents can do to help their kids be prepared for a time they aren't there anymore, whatever can please all parties.

I would argue that your kids will be better off than most...because they understand frugality and since you work from "home" ... have visibility as far as what it takes to make what you make happen. I'm sorta in the same boat....but I don't have to plow snow. If my son can learn one thing from me...I'd prefer it be what NOT to do.

 

[lbhsbz]

The parents are just a to blame. Having a Kid living at home at 24 is Obscene. Get Out, Get A Life.

= fuck right off. Every situation is different. For example, my parents raised me to learn 3rd grade sentence structure, proper capitalization and punctuation by....3rd grade.

 

[Looking Glass]

= fuck right off. Every situation is different. For example, my parents raised me to learn 3rd grade sentence structure, proper capitalization and punctuation by....3rd grade.

Be careful, you could dislocate your shoulder, Patting yourself on your back.











That's the way of this world, An Excuse for Everything, instead of getting off the "Free Ride" and getting out and doing something. No Problem, just get down to the Social Services Office ( The PC Name for Welfare) and sign up for numerous Freebies.

 

[riverroyal]

I'm 54. Had I stayed home I could have bought a DCB this year.
Another poor choice on my end.

 

[lbhsbz]

Be careful, you could dislocate your shoulder, Patting yourself on your back.











That's the way of this world, An Excuse for Everything, instead of getting off the "Free Ride" and getting out and doing something. No Problem, just get down to the Social Services Office ( The PC Name for Welfare) and sign up for numerous Freebies.

How does someone with your level of illiteracy and no desire or ability to improve it make it to this point in life?

=dumbass

 

[mesquito_creek]

Lack of commas and run on sentences is out of control in this thread.

 

[Singleton]

The parents are just a to blame. Having a Kid living at home at 24 is Obscene. Get Out, Get A Life.

Well, you just proved your an ass.

Do I want to kick my step-son out. Hell yes. Have I been told doing that today could result in PD knocking on my door informing my wife and I he is dead (yes - more than once). He is depressed. His biological father has told him, you not allowed to move into my apartment. That has hurt the kid more than anyone knew, until we started family counseling. You don’t solve that by kicking the kid out.

 

[lbhsbz]

Be careful, you could dislocate your shoulder, Patting yourself on your back.











That's the way of this world, An Excuse for Everything, instead of getting off the "Free Ride" and getting out and doing something. No Problem, just get down to the Social Services Office ( The PC Name for Welfare) and sign up for numerous Freebies.

Btw…I’ve dislocated both shoulders multiple times. I’ve never attempted to pat myself in the back. Can’t really…it would fucking hurt.

 

[mesquito_creek]

January? Docktagon?

 

[Mr. C]

I'm 54. Had I stayed home I could have bought a DCB this year.
Another poor choice on my end.

At 60 here. Just imagine it. lol. At home. No wife. Less 3 kids.
I can only imagine how much I’d be paying for storage of my toys.


All good. I wouldn’t change a thing. I think it’s Shintooos line. “ I am blessed “.

 

[CLdrinker]

My mother in law rents a 3 bed 2 bath in the oak hills area of Hesperia for $1650. I go there often and spent a most 2 months there recently helping her with knee replacement… what am I missing?

That’s a smoking deal. A 2 bed 2 bath apartment in hesperia was 2k back in 2013 last I checked.

 

[lbhsbz]

January? Docktagon?

Spelling bee

 

[mesquito_creek]

That’s a smoking deal. A 2 bed 2 bath apartment in hesperia was 2k back in 2013 last I checked.

I looked on Zillow and you are right… she’s got a good deal. But she pays her rent on time and doesn’t ask for much, so it always comes down to staying put in one spot and being a good renter! She’s been a renter in the same house for 10 years.

 

[Mr. C]

I looked on Zillow and you are right… she’s got a good deal. But she pays her rent on time and doesn’t ask for much, so it always comes down to staying put in one spot and being a good renter! She’s been a renter in the same house for 10 years.

sounds like she takes care of it like it her own.
I’d much rather take a little less every month as a landlord than looking for another non shitty tenant every year and half.
Good for her.

 

[CLdrinker]

I looked on Zillow and you are right… she’s got a good deal. But she pays her rent on time and doesn’t ask for much, so it always comes down to staying put in one spot and being a good renter! She’s been a renter in the same house for 10 years.

Shit I had a rental 20yrs ago in hesperia.

1400 square ft 3/2 1200 month. Wish I could have had your mom rent from me. I sold after 3 months no pay.

 

[yz450mm]

Shit I had a rental 20yrs ago in hesperia.

1400 square ft 3/2 1200 month. Wish I could have had your mom rent from me. I sold after 3 months no pay.

My rental house in AV brings in 3100 a month. 3500 Sq feet on 1 acre, with a detached 1 car garage and attached 8 car garage. Renters are rock solid, both are military and pay rent on the 1st every month.

 

[SoCalDave]

IMO. Your job as a parent is to prepare your child/children for going out on their own, job, house, military whatever it is. In most cases if your child/children are at home 4-5 years after high school one or both of the parents failed parenting.

We did not take many vacations. Usually weekends at the lake, parents house. Money we could have used for fancy vacations was saved so both our children had 4 years of college paid for. Books, tuition, apartment. They both had part time jobs for gas, insurance and spending money. Both graduated zero debt. Never moved back in.

 

[SoCalDave]

Left home out of high school to work at Ford Motor Company in Michigan...lasted 2 weeks and said this ain't for me and walked out. The next morning my uncle had all my shit in the front yard as he went beyound to get me in there. Rented a room from some really cool peeps and life went on.

 

[mesquito_creek]

My rental house in AV brings in 3100 a month. 3500 Sq feet on 1 acre, with a detached 1 car garage and attached 8 car garage. Renters are rock solid, both are military and pay rent on the 1st every month.

You are actually getting less per square foot in Rent than my MIL pays without the land and extra garage. I only point this out because I still think the “young people can’t afford to rent” narrative is not accurate. I think that young people can’t afford to rent close enough to where their parents are happy about it! Haha!

 

[yz450mm]

You are actually getting less per square foot in Rent than my MIL pays without the land and extra garage. I only point this out because I still think the “young people can’t afford to rent” narrative is not accurate. I think that young people can’t afford to rent close enough to where their parents are happy about it! Haha!

I'm sure I could get more. But this couple has two kids of their own, and then fosters three other kids. With that house being a five bedroom, it's perfect for them. They pay rent on time, and don't complain or submit stupid service requests.

I was lucky enough to buy in at a 2.75% mortgage rate, so at this point it's pretty much a cash cow no matter what happens.

 

[Looking Glass]

You are actually getting less per square foot in Rent than my MIL pays without the land and extra garage. I only point this out because I still think the “young people can’t afford to rent” narrative is not accurate. I think that young people can’t afford to rent close enough to where their parents are happy about it! Haha!

That's why people are leaving California, and finding a job and place they can afford. It is not going to change in California.

 

[mesquito_creek]

I'm sure I could get more. But this couple has two kids of their own, and then fosters three other kids. With that house being a five bedroom, it's perfect for them. They pay rent on time, and don't complain or submit stupid service requests.

I was lucky enough to buy in at a 2.75% mortgage rate, so at this point it's pretty much a cash cow no matter what happens.

You are making my point for me… it’s not about the money or what people say rent costs, it’s about getting out there and making relationships and agreements and putting one foot in front of the other!

Just like when people act like being a landlord is passive income and easy. It’s not, you are running a business and have good paying client.

 

[mesquito_creek]

That's why people are leaving California, and finding a job and place they can afford. It is not going to change in California.

My mom can’t afford to leave California… it’s the best bet she’s got! See @CLdrinker comments about rent!

 

[Shlbyntro]

Just like when people act like being a landlord is passive income and easy. It’s not, you are running a business and have good paying client.

can I get that on net 270 terms?? asking for a friend

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

As someone in their 20s (27) I thought I could chime in. I was born and raised in SoCal but moved to Utah for college. What I’ve noticed is a lot more people live in home in CA. Much less common in Utah. I moved back to SoCal when I graduated college and had a good job working as a project engineer for a large commercial gc but opted to live at home. I was saving money and my parents house was significantly nicer then anything I could have rented. I did that for a year and a half, Covid hit, and I said screw it and went back to Utah. Now that my friends in SoCal are in their late 20s most are moving out but it’s still common for some to live at home. In Utah rent is reasonable and kids seemed to want to take flight as soon as they are 18. A lot of people I know in Utah own homes in their 20s. I think really high cost areas are a harder place to make it when your young even if your single and making good money.

This is true. There are young people working entry level jobs everywhere here.

My kids are getting jobs at 15-16.

 

[H20 Toie]

My daughter moved out at 19
But lived in San Fernando valley so we got together about once a month
But then Covid killed her business so she moved back in at 25
She moved to Washington state in July
She is 28 now
Sucks big time
First Xmas without her

 

[Sharky]

In a way, my kids are screwed. I couldn't help them a ton financially anyway. I won't be a tightwad...difference between being broke and being cheap.

Yea but, your kids are going to and are learning a much better lesson of how to survive on their own from what you are teaching and have taught them.

They will be the ones that survive. Financially or other when times are tough or Lord forbid, get tougher.


We (mostly my wife) have been able to help our daughters financially. The best part. . . .both of our daughters have paid us back.

Helped both them with college education, cars, damage deposits on first rentals, furnature, etc. . . and both of them paid mom & dad back.

To this day my youngest daughter is still on my auto insurance. She transfers her 6 month payment to me a month before it's due. Oldest daughter is still on my cell phone, streaming & Costco membership plans. She also transfers payment at least a month before its due to me.

It's about being a loving, caring & responsible parent and teaching your children. The stuff they don't teach in school.

Your kids are going to do fine monkeywrench. You are giving them lessons no school can teach. The problem is others are going to look at them, the same as my kids and others like us and say "that's not fair" Things have gone to crap and they are surviving. . . waaaaa. . . .we should take something from them to make it fair for others.


When us Boomers & GenX's start kicking the bucket, kids these days are set to inherit a fortune. If they can keep it because of how they voted a few years back. Most will blow it or have it taken (elections have consequences. . . taxes) from them.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The parents are just a to blame. Having a Kid living at home at 24 is Obscene. Get Out, Get A Life.

A 41 year old that does not know how to do a simple copy and paste operation - now that is obscene!

 

[Looking Glass]

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I have not read where these children we are discussing, have a Job, pay the going rate rent, and pay for groceries, Is MAMA, doing the Laundry? Or is this a "Free Ride", while still going out and having fun?

 

[MPHSystems]

 

[lbhsbz]

I have not read where these children we are discussing, have a Job, pay the going rate rent, and pay for groceries, Is MAMA, doing the Laundry? Or is this a "Free Ride", while still going out and having fun?

Jeezus tapdancing christ....maybe the local elementary school can be of service to you in an effort to help you put down your thoughts in a coherent manner. Are you 8 years old or just fucking stupid? = = ?

@RiverDave .. can you change up the entrance exam to maybe include some basic math that one can do on their fingers if they don't have one hand wrapped around a limp dick....and maybe spell their name correctly 2 times in a row?

 

[PlanB]

Yes, everyone would have free healthcare through the VA. Sound like a win-win.

You don't get free healthcare just for serving. I only get "free" healthcare from the VA on injuries I obtained while I was in the Army. In order to get full health coverage you have to be rated at 100% disabled, or you have to be retired. All that said, fuck the VA!

 

[mesquito_creek]

I just retired early and I am underperforming so my kids can feel better about themselves and save me money with their therapy…