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The only reason he was able to come out ahead is because Gomez and Blyler both broke their cars by pushing too hard to outdo each other. Gomez got a flat and then had some other problem he was able to fix after a while. Chaney was way far back before any of that happened. He got lucky both of the lead cars had problems.

Chaney's strategy paid off, but not sure being able to come from way behind and win because the leaders had mechanical problems is a strategy that would work consistently.
You have to be in a position to take advantage of luck. I would not call running in third "way behind" especially not at KOH. The rock trails can eat time up at any moment. BigB made a poor choice picking his line and it cost them the win. He did not just break, he picked a bad line and got bitten. JP kept killing the same front right tire, that was not an accident.

I've raced it twice, it is crazy how fast things can change during that race in regards to position on course. The first KOH Shannon Campbell started dead last and won, Jason Scherer was running second on adjusted time for a portion of yesterdays race and he started almost dead last.

Chaney was consistent all day. Not the fastest in the desert, not the fastest in the rocks, but in the technical nuisance rocks sections he was the fastest. I would love to see the average speed time data, I bet racers could learn a lot from it, because a significant portion of the racecourse is just nuisance rocks and tight technical trails.
 

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When we were down there last year and watching you could see where the max effort SXS guys were gonna catch up to the ultra4
SW much respect for your efforts in this area over the years, and I agree with your take on this stuff.
"Unlimited" racing in every form of motorsports has always been the pointy end of the spear.
Garlits switching to a rear engine TF car was a course change, the demise of the roadsters in Indy back in the day was another.
Points on the timeline of racing where an indelible mark is made in the history books.
If nothing else the fallout from this will be fun to watch.
 

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I had a blast running around the desert and watching the races from various spots BUT i was really put-off by having to camp in the madness. I guess i dont mind the ticket fee since i always buy my ticket just to support the organization but i camp outside anyway. Im hopeful this wont be the norm from now on but we know how that usually goes. I dont wanna hear other peoples nonsens and i dont like subjecting others to the shenanigans from my camp group.
 

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You have to be in a position to take advantage of luck. I would not call running in third "way behind" especially not at KOH. The rock trails can eat time up at any moment. BigB made a poor choice picking his line and it cost them the win. He did not just break, he picked a bad line and got bitten. JP kept killing the same front right tire, that was not an accident.

I've raced it twice, it is crazy how fast things can change during that race in regards to position on course. The first KOH Shannon Campbell started dead last and won, Jason Scherer was running second on adjusted time for a portion of yesterdays race and he started almost dead last.

Chaney was consistent all day. Not the fastest in the desert, not the fastest in the rocks, but in the technical nuisance rocks sections he was the fastest. I would love to see the average speed time data, I bet racers could learn a lot from it, because a significant portion of the racecourse is just nuisance rocks and tight technical trails.

I agree, but if the first two cars hadn't made silly decisions/broken, no way Chaney would have ever caught them.

Chaney is a heck of a driver, but my point is that those celebrating a "UTV" win aren't really celebrating a UTV at all. If they think they are, they should take their UTV they bought at Bert's Mega Mall and enter it in the race. See how that ends up. The likely result will be actually snapping in half like the other Can Am did. Seems like that little incident is conveniently being ignored by most pro-UTV folks so far.
 

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If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. If is a huge word and when used in ultra 4 it’s even bigger😂

4400 ultra 4 class as we know it is now dead. Why would anyone spend big bucks to build a car now when you can scale the budget and get it done in a SXS platform?

The SXS classes are where the action is now, I think the big 4400 cars will go the way of class 5 unlimited bajas, it will become a nostalgia type class. There is only 10 guys in the field that are racing, all the rest are tourists in for an expensive day of wheeling. 😉
 

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I watched the whole thing until JP finished. The Miller car that broke in half likely would have ended up on the podium as well had it not busted.

Everyone kept going bigger and heavier, now they will reset and rethink the strategy. My son and I have been arguing about this for ten plus years, he is getting an earful today, I can't wait for him to show up and eat crow.
JP and his brothers' cars are all 6K pounds each, and single seaters. If they can make the 4400s lighter, it may make them easier on parts. We'll see for sure.

The guys in the Miller car literally reminded me of my son and his best friend, "We can fix it!" 🤣 Awesome that they finished!
 

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JP said he could build it smaller and lighter but he would just break it, at least the way he drives that UFO.
 

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I don't have a voice on social media, where people seem to be bitching and pissing about a golf cart in the main event. I've heard (seen) a lot of claims by people who I have never heard of; about "Spirit of the Rules" ETC. I'll share my thoughts here because it is truly the only place in the digital world I participate.

I personally wrote the first Ultra4 rule book. I invented this type of racing.

Kyle Chaney's CT Raceworxs Can Am is 100% in the spirit of the original vision of KOH and Ultra4. I have been rooting for him a few years now and predicted 10 years ago that someday a UTV will win the over-all in the main event. Kyle and Terry did it without 2nd place even close. The Ultra4 sanctioning body seemed to make an attempt to block previous design elements of UTVs from participating, but this purpose built vehicle met the current rules and restrictions and performed exceptionally well. Watch his in car footage, it was a clinic on how to win KOH.

I've never met Kyle or Terry, but they earned the win.

Years ago when Ultra4 raced as a sanctioned class in BITD for V2R the long way, we made T-shirts that said "That just happened, you got passed by a Rockcrawler" Well now the shoe is on the other foot and a Golf Cart bested every team, no matter the budget. Sorry Ford.

I'm thinking a sticker on my Can Am that says: "This Golf Cart is Fueled by the tears of Ultra4 racers" is appropriate.

Unlimited 4WD, means Unlimited 4WD.

Live coverage was unbelievable. Desert racing please wake up and follow this coverage format.

coverage was great.
The laps finally placed the drivers and the ultimate builds on the podium.
 

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- HP heli is in the air to go pick unrecoverable cars 119 and 286 off the course right now🚁🚁
-Talk to text does emoji's 🤯
-As the owner of multiple Can-ams, sadly I don't have any Ultra 4 friends I can talk shit to.🤷‍♂️
-Best KOH weather ever for 2 weeks (after the snow day), Just enough breeze that the lakebed never became a dust bowl.☀️
-Hammertown was down 50% on vendors. It was like going to 1/4 of an offroad expo with mostly fair food and corporate booths with nothing for sale. I heard Dave Cole wants to move vendors to private property to avoid the BLM involvement.🤔
-Better merch selection and charging normal retail price prices compared to name brand stuff, no price gouging imo 🎩👕🧥
-The Forty just needs a good DJ. The live bands, especially for what KOH spends ($100k+) mostly aren't good and/or the audio sucks. It seems like they do sound check in the afternoon with 1 band and all the others suffer. With the direction of the monster stage setup we could hear the concerts from our campfire, that was new. 🎶🎙️
-The Ahh Beef grilled cheese 16 hr smoked brisket sandwich was worth the $20 every time. 🥩🐄🤠
-No funnel cakes at the forty this year.👎👎
-The condition of Boone RD AND the normal neighborhood roads everyone knows about now are horrible. We will be contacting Trump and Elon directly to make sure that the $ paid for permits will be used to fix the roads. 🛣️👎👎
-This was my wife's first KOH in 4 years (work and her Master's degree program has kept her busy). She finally got to take a heli ride and watch some racing by air. She, the kids and dogs had fun, that's all that matters so I get to keep going where I love.❤️
-My son (11) got a wild ride in a luxury pre-runner that landed on it's roof playing on our track. He's totally fine, he just got a glass shower from the breaking windows. That's a memory he won't forget. 🧠
-Pretty sure I'm done going to chocolate at night. Multiple common sense reasons.🍫
-All our toys ran great, never needed a wrench or tow strap. 👨‍🔧
-Looking forward to 2026 with our property going to be setup for 50+ Trailer/RV camp spots. We'll rent them at half the cost of Lasertown or the Forty's KOH rates $. I need to start recouping the $ for the insurance policy.
I just need a campground name.......?


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This needs to be a T-Shirt

"This Golf Cart is Fueled by the tears of Ultra4 racers"

Ill buy 3 :)
So my kid took his beating like a man this afternoon and quickly followed up asking me why I don't sell T-shirts anymore since I came up with all the good (funny) KOH merch back in the day. It was a fair question. I reserved a domain name a few years ago, so if I still can get my hands on it, I may just make a few shirts for old time sake.

If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. If is a huge word and when used in ultra 4 it’s even bigger😂

4400 ultra 4 class as we know it is now dead. Why would anyone spend big bucks to build a car now when you can scale the budget and get it done in a SXS platform?

The SXS classes are where the action is now, I think the big 4400 cars will go the way of class 5 unlimited bajas, it will become a nostalgia type class. There is only 10 guys in the field that are racing, all the rest are tourists in for an expensive day of wheeling. 😉
So here is my perception and opinion. That Can Am win very well might have saved KOH. Hear me out.

You have one automotive manufacture (Ford) feeding a small amount of very talented drivers the best equipment and technology available. This gives already talented drivers an even bigger advantage.

Jeep and Ram are not coming back anytime soon because Stellantis is not investing in those brands right now. GM, doubtful they would ever play, Toyota makes sense, but they would have stepped in years ago if the had any intention, Nissan/Honda nope.

Ford can still play the big dog, but I bet they look toward smaller lighter turbo power plants in the future development of these cars. Scale down those RTR bronco's and throw some compound or twin turbo 4 cyl at them, maybe field a Ranger Rapter body

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Can Am can fuel investment from other OEM powersports brands if the sanction gets a plan in place. If I was racing, I would be on the phone to Team Green Kawasaki USA this week exploring ideas( I was once a Team Green athlete) . Polaris, Honda, Yamaha, Segway, Speed can all bring in investments of technology and build on this. NONE of the other teams outside Ford, are getting the kind of help these OEMs can bring.

For the life of me, I have no idea why Robby keeps driving a borrowed UFO from the Gomez team, he should be building a handful of Speed cars and putting Max, and a few other teams in his stuff. Hell if he is too busy, better yet, give a few teams access and see what they come up with, with his mentorship he could have an amazing program feeding his R&D.

If I was working at one of these powersports OEMs (or even Ford) I would be spinning up a program to drive innovation.

I'll be more than happy to entertain a consulting gig if anyone wants to pass on my name.

Oh and let's not forget the EVs.

Time to go back to the drawing board Ultra4 racers, get a 12 pack and bench race.

The live coverage is so good, the real fans are watching the feed, there is a lot of opportunity for sponsors in this technology.
 

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So my kid took his beating like a man this afternoon and quickly followed up asking me why I don't sell T-shirts anymore since I came up with all the good (funny) KOH merch back in the day. It was a fair question. I reserved a domain name a few years ago, so if I still can get my hands on it, I may just make a few shirts for old time sake.


So here is my perception and opinion. That Can Am win very well might have saved KOH. Hear me out.

You have one automotive manufacture (Ford) feeding a small amount of very talented drivers the best equipment and technology available. This gives already talented drivers an even bigger advantage.

Jeep and Ram are not coming back anytime soon because Stellantis is not investing in those brands right now. GM, doubtful they would ever play, Toyota makes sense, but they would have stepped in years ago if the had any intention, Nissan/Honda nope.

Ford can still play the big dog, but I bet they look toward smaller lighter turbo power plants in the future development of these cars. Scale down those RTR bronco's and throw some compound or twin turbo 4 cyl at them, maybe field a Ranger Rapter body

BUT
Can Am can fuel investment from other OEM powersports brands if the sanction gets a plan in place. If I was racing, I would be on the phone to Team Green Kawasaki USA this week exploring ideas( I was once a Team Green athlete) . Polaris, Honda, Yamaha, Segway, Speed can all bring in investments of technology and build on this. NONE of the other teams outside Ford, are getting the kind of help these OEMs can bring.

For the life of me, I have no idea why Robby keeps driving a borrowed UFO from the Gomez team, he should be building a handful of Speed cars and putting Max, and a few other teams in his stuff. Hell if he is too busy, better yet, give a few teams access and see what they come up with, with his mentorship he could have an amazing program feeding his R&D.

If I was working at one of these powersports OEMs (or even Ford) I would be spinning up a program to drive innovation.

I'll be more than happy to entertain a consulting gig if anyone wants to pass on my name.

Oh and let's not forget the EVs.

Time to go back to the drawing board Ultra4 racers, get a 12 pack and bench race.

The live coverage is so good, the real fans are watching the feed, there is a lot of opportunity for sponsors in this technology.
It really is the best coverage in off road racing. Not sure if it’s the format or what, but bringing in all of those drones was a great move. I also really enjoy Ian’s coverage. He’s got a real passion for the sport.
 

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So my kid took his beating like a man this afternoon and quickly followed up asking me why I don't sell T-shirts anymore since I came up with all the good (funny) KOH merch back in the day. It was a fair question. I reserved a domain name a few years ago, so if I still can get my hands on it, I may just make a few shirts for old time sake.


So here is my perception and opinion. That Can Am win very well might have saved KOH. Hear me out.

You have one automotive manufacture (Ford) feeding a small amount of very talented drivers the best equipment and technology available. This gives already talented drivers an even bigger advantage.

Jeep and Ram are not coming back anytime soon because Stellantis is not investing in those brands right now. GM, doubtful they would ever play, Toyota makes sense, but they would have stepped in years ago if the had any intention, Nissan/Honda nope.

Ford can still play the big dog, but I bet they look toward smaller lighter turbo power plants in the future development of these cars. Scale down those RTR bronco's and throw some compound or twin turbo 4 cyl at them, maybe field a Ranger Rapter body

BUT
Can Am can fuel investment from other OEM powersports brands if the sanction gets a plan in place. If I was racing, I would be on the phone to Team Green Kawasaki USA this week exploring ideas( I was once a Team Green athlete) . Polaris, Honda, Yamaha, Segway, Speed can all bring in investments of technology and build on this. NONE of the other teams outside Ford, are getting the kind of help these OEMs can bring.

For the life of me, I have no idea why Robby keeps driving a borrowed UFO from the Gomez team, he should be building a handful of Speed cars and putting Max, and a few other teams in his stuff. Hell if he is too busy, better yet, give a few teams access and see what they come up with, with his mentorship he could have an amazing program feeding his R&D.

If I was working at one of these powersports OEMs (or even Ford) I would be spinning up a program to drive innovation.

I'll be more than happy to entertain a consulting gig if anyone wants to pass on my name.

Oh and let's not forget the EVs.

Time to go back to the drawing board Ultra4 racers, get a 12 pack and bench race.

The live coverage is so good, the real fans are watching the feed, there is a lot of opportunity for sponsors in this technology.
It’s always interesting hearing your take on this stuff. I don’t look at it from the same perspective that you have, no way I could as I don’t have the experience base under my belt from the sport development side of things.

Ford has used the race platform quite well to push the Bronco line as well as develope the tech. Not sure how long they will stay in the game, maybe it’s just part of the playbook for them and they will maintain a presence, maybe they will turn it off and go sell cars and not look back?

The SXS stuff has my attention as there are competing factions that can and will capture market share based on race performance. I think we may see some of the established 4400 guys jump ship on there big car designs and build their own versions of a SXS. Slap some oem livery on it and head off to the races.

We had a great time with the JVR (Johnson Valley Racing) moniker this season, just a local neighborhood team out fucking around. The car got around very well, timed out and then drove off course and back to the ranch. One break down during the race but spare parts onboard to repair on the trail and keep it going. It’s a twelve year old car, total refresh and beefed up a bit, whole thing was a test to see how it would go. Next season it will have some chunky billet parts here and there and they will begin to apply the skinny pedal and not exit the car at the pits for charcuterie plates and sparkling water breaks 😂 I think we could give the car a weekend race prep and go run it again next week.

The most fun will be had in SXS class for next 5 years is my thought and the tech that gets developed will make the car of today look like a Yamaha rhino 5 years from now.

I’ll take a few of those stickers when you get them made, and I think froggy will too😉


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Can-Am... Everything I heard the announcers saying was that Can-Am was a custom built chassis with a heavily modified engine and Can-Am plastics. I give credit to his driving ability for sure, but he got LUCKY that the Leader blocked the bad path up that portion of lap 3 revealing the better line. He wasn't going to catch him otherwise.

Coverage was pretty cool this year... I watched far more than in years past.

Either way, UTV or Purpose Built car, watching how far the world of rock crawling has come is awesome. Unfortunately, with that success comes to the rest of the bullshit. I have a couple friends who were out there and basically said it was a mix of a Raiders Game from early 90's and Havasu on a holiday weekend. I still might try to make it out there next time around for a day trip. I can imagine mid-week qualifying would be pretty awesome.
 

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I heard a rumor from a reliable source that the next evolution of the Kawasaki SxS will have a version of the Jet ski supercharged engine in it. What do you think of a Roots-type supercharger with air-to-water intercooler in this environment?
 

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Can-Am... Everything I heard the announcers saying was that Can-Am was a custom built chassis with a heavily modified engine and Can-Am plastics. I give credit to his driving ability for sure, but he got LUCKY that the Leader blocked the bad path up that portion of lap 3 revealing the better line. He wasn't going to catch him otherwise.

Coverage was pretty cool this year... I watched far more than in years past.

Either way, UTV or Purpose Built car, watching how far the world of rock crawling has come is awesome. Unfortunately, with that success comes to the rest of the bullshit. I have a couple friends who were out there and basically said it was a mix of a Raiders Game from early 90's and Havasu on a holiday weekend. I still might try to make it out there next time around for a day trip. I can imagine mid-week qualifying would be pretty awesome.
The trophy truck weekend was full of dick bags, both OC bro kids and pisa’s. I think they are gonna have to shut chocolate down for night activity’s. There is nothing up there but problems waiting to happen, has nothing to do with the racing. I’m gonna throw my two cents in that they move the big races back to Fridays, bump the price of admission to $500.00 and thin the fucking herd 😂

They pulled the bands that were supposed to play up at chocolate down to the forty, I don’t know the whole story on that and I’m sure there are three sides, but my guess is that the reality of shit going bad up there and fucking up the whole thing was a high probability. I saw that some dip shit blew his hand off with fire works again as well🤦‍♂️
 
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The trophy truck weekend was full of dick bags, both OC bro kids and pisa’s. I think they are gonna have to shut chocolate down for night activity’s. There is nothing up there but problems waiting to happen, has nothing to do with the racing. I’m gonna throw my two cents in that they move the big races back to Fridays, bump the price of admission to $500.00 and thin the fucking herd 😂

They pulled the bands that were supposed to play up at chocolate down to the forty, I don’t know the whole story on that and I’m sure there are three sides, but my guess is that the reality of shit going bad up there and fucking up the whole thing was a high probability. I saw that some dip shit blew his hand off with fire works again as well🤦‍♂️
It has always been a sauagefest. It just keep getting bigger. I have no idea how you put the shit back in the cow.

At our viewing party yesterday we crafted a fun alternative to KOH. It was a room of previous racers and sponsors, so we had some fun. OnX offroad has the file so if just for kicks it is pretty easy to pirate a spirited trail ride. Maybe sometime of the year with better weather. LOL
 

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I went first weekend and this weekend

We camped out in Barstow koa and ran dirt roads back and forth each day .
Was a pre run for my bronco as we have been upgrading parts every few weeks

I paid my hundred to support the race
Even though I could drive in at will

As an outsider no skin in the race .
I enjoyed viewing the races from different vantage points . Talking to people I didn’t know .
Having cold 805’s at the forty . Munching a good burger and watching some race action on the big screen.

We disappeared before the shit show started
At night .

Saw the line of rv’s heading out yesterday afternoon .
Don’t know if it was worse today

Why we camp away from it all
Was home before 10 am today

Look forward to next years
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Got home yesterday afternoon. Left out camp spot at 7AM and took two hours to get to Old Woman Springs Road. :mad: Going to leave at 5AM next year!

Weather was great and only a little windy a couple nights. Camping in the middle of the shot show wasn't too bad. I was about 1/4 mile from Hammer Town entrance. Fire works calmed down mostly around 1 or 2 but a couple times some idiot decided to launch one of those cannons at about 3AM and wake everybody up.

Lots of vendors with cool stuff. Bought a set of PRP seats for my Jeep and SxS. Not cheap but got a good show deal.

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I agree, but if the first two cars hadn't made silly decisions/broken, no way Chaney would have ever caught them.

Chaney is a heck of a driver, but my point is that those celebrating a "UTV" win aren't really celebrating a UTV at all. If they think they are, they should take their UTV they bought at Bert's Mega Mall and enter it in the race. See how that ends up. The likely result will be actually snapping in half like the other Can Am did. Seems like that little incident is conveniently being ignored by most pro-UTV folks so far.
I read the same guy built both Can-Ams.
 

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Here is my opinion on the UTV vs 4400 cars. I watched the UTV race and it was entertaining as we had a good spot and saw some roll overs and action. We had the same spot for the Kings race.

After last year I figured it was a matter of time before a "golf cart" won. I kind of laugh at the golf cart thing as UTV's don't really resemble golf carts at all and look way more like small buggy's instead but I understand people have to come up with a derogatory names for them. LOL.

As a SxS owner myself, I have no ill feelings towards them (other than there are a lot of idiots with no clue about 4x4ing or off road etiquette, much like PWC riders) and they really are a lot of fun. The UTV race is enjoyable to watch and they are very capable. Obviously, the CanAm that won is not just a modified stock SxS but rather a full blown race rig and is very cool. Maybe that is the future of the Kings race but as a spectator and maybe it's because I'm and old school guy, but watching the SxS just doesn't have the same appeal to me. When those big cars fire up and come by with roaring V8 sounds it gets my blood pumping and puts a big smile on my face. It's kind of like comparing a boat with outboards versus a couple of blown big blocks. Sure, the outboards may be more efficient and lower maintenance but nobody is stopping what they are doing and staring in awe at them like they do when hear the explosion of 16 cylinders firing up and blower surge idle.

So the SxS'd may be the future and may make the big cars obsolete (much like funny cars made FX cars obsolete in drag racing) I'll miss the excitement of the old stuff. I wonder how many others feel the same? Will it affect attendance? Will spectators lose interest? Will it just replace the UTV class or maybe they will have two UTV races, one for modified stock and one for all out race rigs?

And now to take it a step farther, some day they will be electric powered. Imagine a UTV with an electric motor on each wheel eliminating engine, transmission and drivelines. Way less parts to break and when battery technology advances, they will have less weight. They will be highly capable but from a spectator point of view, not as entertaining.
 

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@ChiliPepperGarage The Gomez Brothers? I think I heard they run a tree trimming business up in northern California. Is that true? I'm always curious how all the guys can afford to build one car let alone 3 or 4 to race, plus all their pre-run... etc.
 

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@ChiliPepperGarage The Gomez Brothers? I think I heard they run a tree trimming business up in northern California. Is that true? I'm always curious how all the guys can afford to build one car let alone 3 or 4 to race, plus all their pre-run... etc.
Mountain Enterprises is MUCH more than a tree trimming business.

 

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@ChiliPepperGarage The Gomez Brothers? I think I heard they run a tree trimming business up in northern California. Is that true? I'm always curious how all the guys can afford to build one car let alone 3 or 4 to race, plus all their pre-run... etc.


Yes, that's true. They have sponsorship but I don't know how much they contribute. They certainly do spend a lot on racing. I don't ask too many questions but might work the pits next year and will probably learn more about them.
 
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Yes, that's true. They have sponsorship but I don't know how much they contribute. They certainly do spend a lot on racing. I don't ask too many questions but might work the pits next year and will probably learn more about them.
I spent a weekend with them sharing a parking lot in Baja at a 1000 a few years back, they were all really cool down to earth guys.
 

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I spent a weekend with them sharing a parking lot in Baja at a 1000 a few years back, they were all really cool down to earth guys.

I spent more time with them last year (was spectating more this year) and they were super nice to a complete stranger with nothing to offer them other than being a fanboy. :D
 

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Some videos. You know, if you brought someone here unfamiliar with this sport and told them that they race over these rocks they would think you're crazy and say it was not possible. :oops: :D







I don't know why these last three show up different on here but just click on them to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKr-21PiMus


 
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Don’t look below if you don’t like gross disfigurement pics.

Well deserved injury to one of the assholes throwing mortars. I heard the morning cleanup volunteers found fingers.

This is a screenshot of a video of the guy walking out, showing the crowd his hand. The close-up picture apparently was taken by a girl who’s group was helping before they used the belt as a tourniquet
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Different asshole doing the same thing throwing mortars, caption is wrong, he is being confused with the guy who blew off his hand
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@Deckin Around so did the guy throwing the m1000s blow this doods hand off or was just another tosser that lost a hand?
As I understand it, Thrower blew off his own hand, that’s why I said it was well-deserved. I haven’t heard any major injuries from being on the wrong end of those throws. It seems most of them were directed to vehicles. There are videos going around of this happening at another rock crawling event in a different place and one from a different year so it seems like it happened more than once this KOH.
 

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Some videos. You know, if you brought someone here unfamiliar with this sport and told them that they race over these rocks they would think you're crazy and say it was not possible. :oops: :D







I don't know why these last three show up different on here but just click on them to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKr-21PiMus



Watching those vids ...

It's a miracle Anything survived these courses! 😱

I do like the sound of the V8's Way better than the rubber band cars though. 👍🏼
 

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Yes, that's true. They have sponsorship but I don't know how much they contribute. They certainly do spend a lot on racing. I don't ask too many questions but might work the pits next year and will probably learn more about them.
I've known Marcos for about 20 years. When they got started in KOH it was all their money. Once they started winning they actually got to a point where the race team was actually making money. Not sure if that's still the case but they are as hard core into it as you can get. The race shop is amazing! They are all very generous and down to earth guys who truly exemplify the American dream.
 

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That gap jump😳😆

Missing a few, but those where the major ones :)
Our pit was just up the hill from the jump. Cant believe they took it out for the King race Saturday.
 

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In retrospect the gap jump may have been a bad idea?
I liked it.
They were told about in the drivers meetings and there was a bypass.
There is a good video wit the Jeep gladiator owners on their IG page after and they descried how it was brought up in the meeting and that they weren't paying attention and he guesses now he should of 😆 😱 🤷‍♂️
I do wonder why it was removed for the race of kings (the last race)
 
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