Just closed a deal on an F34

[Outdrive1]

Maybe Dave H should have?

Wonder why they quit building them?

 

[Outdrive1]

typical response of someone with no validity

It's not worth the effort. Spend time in one. I hope you get it sorted out and I hope the boat is safe for you.

 

[JRider]

It's not worth the effort. Spend time in one. I hope you get it sorted out and I hope the boat is safe for you.

Sure I will. What I dont get is you spew $hit on here about weight being too far forward, and bravos on the transom...all contradicting $hit. When really you did not do all the research

 

[Singleton]

typical response of someone with no validity

I have no dog in this fight, but you seem to be talking out of your ass and not taking feedback from very knowledgable resources. The F34 is known for its bottom issues. The DS reference boat had a ton of bottom work done to make it run somewhat safe.

I hope the new owner enjoys the boat, but also hope they are smart about pushing the limits of that hull.

 

[Riverbound]

Sure I will. What I dont get is you spew $hit on here about weight being too far forward, and bravos on the transom...all contradicting $hit. When really you did not do all the research

Well since you're such a fucking genius and are the only person in this world That can make one of those pieces of shit run right. why don't you enlighten us smart guy?

I will say with complete confidence the people you are insulting have forgotten more about setting up a boat than you will ever know. Completely evidenced by the fact you bought a 34 dcb and "think" you will get it sorted out.

 

[dread Pirate]

typical response of someone with no validity

LMAO!!! Seriously dude?

Good luck. You've been warned....:rolleyes

 

[BHC Vic]

Grads did u find the video yet??

 

[djunkie]

[emoji1][emoji1]

 

[Blubyu]

As others have said the bottom on this sled is terrible. I wouldn't put anyone in one of these and run them at speed. #deathtrap.

 

[Outdrive1]

Sure I will. What I dont get is you spew $hit on here about weight being too far forward, and bravos on the transom...all contradicting $hit. When really you did not do all the research

I've spent time in a six boat driving it. I can tell you from experience it doesn't carry the bow, you'll feel it plowing and bow steering until it starts to lift. Then the strakes and bottom are gonna start to lift the rear of the boat and the weight of the front of it is gonna make it rock like its on a seesaw. It will feel like you have it under control until 75/80 ish and then it's gonna buck. Not porpoise. They did multiple fixes to the bottom. In the end the built the 32 and based it off the 29 and it was money. I'm not sure you can make any of these fast and safe but like I said prop technology has come a long way. I also want to say 5 or 6 of these boats have spun or gotten wet. Either way, if you don't get it sorted out then you bought some great motors and drives to put in another boat. I honestly wish you luck. [emoji106]

 

[JRider]

I have no dog in this fight, but you seem to be talking out of your ass and not taking feedback from very knowledgable resources. The F34 is known for its bottom issues. The DS reference boat had a ton of bottom work done to make it run somewhat safe.

I hope the new owner enjoys the boat, but also hope they are smart about pushing the limits of that hull.

Huh? Again, I did the research...the Outdrive 1 would not even know the difference between the early and later hulls. There is a story behind my boat.

 

[JRider]

I've spent time in a six boat driving it. I can tell you from experience it doesn't carry the bow, you'll feel it plowing and bow steering until it starts to lift. Then the strakes and bottom are gonna start to lift the rear of the boat and the weight of the front of it is gonna make it rock like its on a seesaw. It will feel like you have it under control until 75/80 ish and then it's gonna buck. Not porpoise. They did multiple fixes to the bottom. In the end the built the 32 and based it off the 29 and it was money. I'm not sure you can make any of these fast and safe but like I said prop technology has come a long way. I also want to say 5 or 6 of these boats have spun or gotten wet. Either way, if you don't get it sorted out then you bought some great motors and drives to put in another boat. I honestly wish you luck. [emoji106]

Good story, they dont have strakes for the last 6ft

 

[Outdrive1]

Good story, they dont have strakes for the last 6ft

Good luck.

 

[CampbellCarl]

I just want into this thread before the banning and lock down...

All the Best!

 

[dread Pirate]

Good luck.

Makes you wonder if he's even seen the boat eh?? I just hope he doesn't die in the thing...

 

[BHC Vic]

I don't think he knows who outdrive 1 or bdmar are [emoji4]

 

[JRider]

I don't think he knows who outdrive 1 or bdmar are [emoji4]

I do not, give me the smack down. Outdrive 1 lost credibility with me. bdmar I have no clue and really does not matter as all he jumped in on is the 28 outside lean comment.

Its all physics

 

[Riverbound]

Huh? Again, I did the research...the Outdrive 1 would not even know the difference between the early and later hulls. There is a story behind my boat.

Like I said enlighten us wise one. YOU are the one that came in here beating your chest telling us how you know so much. Prove it.......

 

[dread Pirate]

I do not, give me the smack down. Outdrive 1 lost credibility with me. bdmar I have no clue and really does not matter as all he jumped in on is the 28 outside lean comment.

Its all physics

They both build, rig and maintain some of the fastest boats on the west coast.......

Do some research.... :rolleyes

I get you're mad you bought a pos deathtrap, but when offered advice by people who seriously know wtf they are talking about with the intentions of keeping you alive, well, you kind of blew it...:rolleyes

 

[JRider]

Like I said enlighten us wise one. YOU are the one that came in here beating your chest telling us how you know so much. Prove it.......

What do you want to know? Never came in beating my chest. I know the 2001 and part of the 2002 boats were bad. I know the inherent traits of a narrow beam true tunnel boat, which 9' is not that narrow, although they do have a high COG. I also know that my boat was a product of a potential law suit against DCB.

 

[Riverbound]

What do you want to know? Never came in beating my chest. I know the 2001 and part of the 2002 boats were bad. I know the inherent traits of a narrow beam true tunnel boat, which 9' is not that narrow, although they do have a high COG. I also know that my boat was a product of a potential law suit against DCB.

Well. You seem to think you have this inherently problematic bottom all figured out. So enlighten us as to what you did to fix it.

And then you say "there's a story" about this boat. That makes it not like the others. Let's hear it.

 

[JRider]

They both build, rig and maintain some of the fastest boats on the west coast.......

Do some research.... :rolleyes

I get you're mad you bought a pos deathtrap, but when offered advice by people who seriously know wtf they are talking about with the intentions of keeping you alive, well, you kind of blew it...:rolleyes

Not mad and I never offered advise to anyone on this thread...atleast that I can remember. Also, I did not blow anyone's advise off. You west coast guys enjoy putting words in peeps mouths.

 

[squirtnmyload]

Well since you're such a fucking genius and are the only person in this world That can make one of those pieces of shit run right. why don't you enlighten us smart guy?

I will say with complete confidence the people you are insulting have forgotten more about setting up a boat than you will ever know. Completely evidenced by the fact you bought a 34 dcb and "think" you will get it sorted out.

 

[dread Pirate]

Not mad and I never offered advise to anyone on this thread...atleast that I can remember. Also, I did not blow anyone's advise off. You west coast guys enjoy putting words in peeps mouths.

Dude,,, seriously?/ Good luck......

I hope you don't kill anyone with that pos...

 

[JRider]

Well. You seem to think you have this inherently problematic bottom all figured out. So enlighten us as to what you did to fix it.

And then you say "there's a story" about this boat. That makes it not like the others. Let's hear it.

My boat was the product of a (potential?) law suit against DCB due to a bad early version 34

 

[RiverDave]

I had this very long post written out that explains everything, including OD1's posts.. etc..

Here's what I'll say.. I wish you the best of luck Jrider, please wear a lifeline. You may wish to consult Bob Teague, Thomlinson, Tres, or whatever big name would sell you on the idea of qualified to setup a boat, before you go adding more weight to the bow.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

They both build, rig and maintain some of the fastest boats on the west coast.......

Do some research.... :rolleyes

That would be news to me. Not taking away anything from their skill sets.. Just saying lets not get carried away here.. LOL Fastest shit on the west coast comes out of West Coast Drive's period..

RD

 

[dread Pirate]

That would be news to me.

RD

Lets not get sidetracked RD, you and I know they know their shit and can offer plenty advice on a F34...

 

[Singleton]

Huh? Again, I did the research...the Outdrive 1 would not even know the difference between the early and later hulls. There is a story behind my boat.

So what was done to your boat (hull) that makes it different. Us west coast cat guys would like to know, since all we know is the F34 is known as an inefficient unstable hull that anyone on the west coast would avoid at all costs.

 

[GRADS]

Hey JRider I've got some music for you when you take it out.:thumbup:

[video=youtube;K2MgZl0ZmFI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2MgZl0ZmFI[/video]

 

[Riverbound]

That would be news to me. Not taking away anything from their skill sets.. Just saying lets not get carried away here.. LOL Fastest shit on the west coast comes out of West Coast Drive's period..

RD

Not taking anything away from Vern. But if you're going to make a statement like that. You must have never been to boat drags. Period...

 

[JRider]

I had this very long post written out that explains everything, including OD1's posts.. etc..

Here's what I'll say.. I wish you the best of luck Jrider, please wear a lifeline. You may wish to consult Bob Teague, Thomlinson, Tres, or whatever big name would sell you on the idea of qualified to setup a boat, before you go adding more weight to the bow.

RD

A previous 34 owner I talked with today has talked with Tres and Teague...if they will talk to me I am all ears.

Actually he had tres's class

 

[RiverDave]

Not taking anything away from Vern. But if you're going to make a statement like that. You must have never been to boat drags. Period...

That's applicable to a big cat thread.. :rolleyes

A previous 34 owner I talked with today has talked with Tres and Teague...if they will talk to me I am all ears.

Actually he had tres's class

They will talk to anybody.. They are all pretty approachable.

 

[Bigbore500r]

JRider -
Once u get it wet and do what you are gonna do, post a good video of it running at different speeds, all sorted out. If it is...you are right and im sure everyone on here would be happy to listen and learn.
If you cant fix it, eat a little humble pie and report back so we can continue to learn about them.
Boating content is cool, im interested to see the results. And obviously as everyone said - lifeline and be safe!

 

[JRider]

JRider -
Once u get it wet and do what you are gonna do, post a good video of it running at different speeds, all sorted out. If it is...you are right and im sure everyone on here would be happy to listen and learn.
If you cant fix it, eat a little humble pie and report back so we can continue to learn about them.
Boating content is cool, im interested to see the results. And obviously as everyone said - lifeline and be safe!

I am not afraid to do eat crow. And for the price I paid for 950 a side with dry #6 drives, I have a lot of options. Like I said before, I spoke with a guy that has a #6 F34 figured out...fell on deaf ears. I guess my drunk ass does not know what am talking about...:rolleyes

It is 45* here so it will be a while before testing.

In all honesty it was fun to get some west coast panties wadded up!! LMAO Never thought this thread would last like it did! Of course I am 6 beers deep and the time is a lot later here...Gnight :skull

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

I don't know anything about anything, but this thread is fun... Must be winter time

 

[460]

Who deleted my post? That's fucking chicken shit.

 

[28Eliminator]

I don't know shit about this (I'm just a V hull owner) but isn't controlling the porpoising a balancing act? Wouldn't adding weight to the bow hinder its ability to carry the bow?

Maybe I'm way off, just trying to understand why a boat would porpoise that badly.

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

It's the scariest boat I've ever been in at 75 mph. I won't ride in one again. That's all I know.

 

[Singleton]

I am not afraid to do eat crow. And for the price I paid for 950 a side with dry #6 drives, I have a lot of options. Like I said before, I spoke with a guy that has a #6 F34 figured out...fell on deaf ears. I guess my drunk ass does not know what am talking about...:rolleyes

It is 45* here so it will be a while before testing.

In all honesty it was fun to get some west coast panties wadded up!! LMAO Never thought this thread would last like it did! Of course I am 6 beers deep and the time is a lot later here...Gnight :skull

Can you answer the question already. What was done to your F34 that removes the issues most of those boat have had?

You have been asked multiple times with no answer. Answer the question and maybe we will stop treating you like the village idiot.

 

[Enen]

I have a friend that had an F34 he got in a partial trade for a boat he was selling. I'm not sure, but it might be this boat. He ended up pulling the engines and drives and putting them in a 42 Fountain and selling the hull without power.

 

[JRS1939]

It's the scariest boat I've ever been in at 75 mph. I won't ride in one again. That's all I know.

Are you in baja?

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I have a friend that had an F34 he got in a partial trade for a boat he was selling. I'm not sure, but it might be this boat. He ended up pulling the engines and drives and putting them in a 42 Fountain and selling the hull without power.

So he's a quitter...

 

[RiverDave]

I am not sure why people are being so hostile to this guy.. But I wish it would stop.


And tyro I did.. It quite literally offered nothing to the conversation and was hostile, so I deleted it.

I am going to tone down a couple other ones in here as well.. When I get a chance. This is supposed to be a welcoming community. Even if we don't agree with what the guy is saying.

 

[hallett21]

So he's a quitter...

Lmao [emoji23]

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

Are you in baja?

No sir. No Mexico for us for a while.

 

[JRS1939]

No sir. No Mexico for us for a while.

[emoji107]

 

[BMABITY]

No sir. No Mexico for us for a while.

Porque?

 

[GMD]

Congrats on the new boat. Sweet ride!

I can add some info to this discussion. My boat is set-it-and-forget-it, but it did not come that way. The F34 needs a lot of time and effort, but once there, wow, an awesome boat.

First, I WOULD NOT DRIVE ONE OF THESE F34s UNTIL THE TAB IS PROPERLY SETUP!!! Then, the boat is perfectly safe to drive. That is my opinion.

The F34 is a drivers boat, and it's one of the coolest looking hulls with the gull wing hatches and styling....and is friken heavy. The F34s are a great deal for the money, but one has to be willing to spend some time on getting the boat setup and trimmed out correctly.

The F34 I bought was originally Dave's personal boat with all kinds of mods to the bottom. I'm running SCX uppers with #6 SCX lowers on it, 18 degree #6 props and the engines are mounted all the way forward. The forward mounted engines make the boat handle much better, even though it moves the CG forward a little. When I bought it, it did have porpoise, but I was able to drive through it using the tab planted way down in the water-About 65mph the porpoise would start and would continue to after 100. Even with the tab way in the water, it still had a porpoise.

We did the open bow, but it removed weight, not adding weight like I had originally thought. The fiberglass shop saved all the pieces from the deck that were removed, and they must have weighed 600lbs in total. The deck we took out was extremely heavy and the interior I did was all light as possible. I would say we took out at least 100-150lbs, maybe more. I should have weighed the boat before and after, but I didn't. Now, the boat behaves much better after the changes we made. It was not one change that made this boat behave nice, it was all incremental changes. I think also, besides the weight we removed from the bow, one of the reasons the porpoise has diminished is because of the open bow and what that change did to the pressure-wave over the top of the hull. Just my opinion of course.

I did several mods to the boat making it 1000 percent safer. The reason people were/having issues with the 34's is, the TAB Can not be controlled in a manner that one can get repeatability for a safe precise adjustment. The biggest modification I made was to make the boat safe with the tab. The way the tabs are made using IMCO rams, when adjusting a tab, you have to pay close attention to the trim gauge to get the correct adjustment. If the tab is adjusted too far down past the F34's splash rail, THE BOAT CAN SPIN OUT in a turn. Even the 30 and 33 Daytonas with the tab can do the same thing, but they may have different rigging. The F34's were built allowing the tab to be controlled past the safe point. I found myself adjusting the tab the wrong way and too far down and also because of the way the foot control works...it got confusing with the foot control.

I would bet the farm that what I found and changed on my boat, is the reason those few people ran into issues with their F34's. What I did, is figure out where the boat was happy and safe with the tab adjustment. I didn't need anywhere near full down where the tab would go, I just needed a small amount to change the attitude of the boat. I took the rams off and installed machined plugs internally that limited the down extension as well as the full up setting of the tab. Before the limit plugs, even adjusting the tab up, it could be adjusted too high, not good for planing. Conversely, adjusting down I was always trying to get the adjustment correct, going too far down or just not really knowing what the hell was going on with the tab in general. I had no way to know EXACTLY where the adjustment was even with the mechanical gauge, all the while driving the boat. Now, the tab only moves about 1-1/2" total movement and the farthest it can go down is the hard stop I have built into the rams. This completely changed the way I drive the boat. Now I don't even look at the tab trim gauge....just hammer it and go. It's either up or down, that's all that I care about. Also, I removed the down tab, switch, from the foot control. Now, to adjust the tab, I use the switches on the dash when I want to go up or down- I use my foot pedal to go up only and don't have to think if I am hitting the wrong adjustment with my foot. When I first bought the boat, I had to use the tab to get on plane, now I'm not required to use it. I think it's because the tab is correctly adjusted at its upper setting. I get a little prop blowout, but it's a lot better, and if I use the tab for getting on plane, it's like a ski boat....lol

If you watch my video, we are running 85-90 all the way up the river with no porpoise and full tanks of fuel; before my changes, there was NO WAY I could have run at a steady state at the speed.

As far as slowing down, it does plow a little, but not nearly as much as before I made all the changes on the boat. Someone in the thread mentioned taking weight out of the front. I'll tell you; these boats are WAY over built/heavy layup and so strong it's crazy. If I had the chance, I would remove some glass up front as this boat would still be stronger than most tunnels on the lake. Dam, if I could get another 200lbs out of the front, this boat would be money.
I also think going to a 20 degree rake prop would find the sweet spot. Back when these boats were built, we did not have the propeller technology we have now, especially with the #6 drive props.

I actually made a test with my boat after all the work I did just to prove my changes. I bought 6 bags of sand, 60lbs ea, and put them on the front seat. Dam, it porpoised bad. The tab would not even control the porpoise. Then moved the bags to the rear seat and porpoise was less, then I removed the bags and the porpoise was less again. Proving that removing weight from the front made a positive difference, but also, removing weight from the boat in general made a difference. What I did not do and I should of but did not think about it till after I took the sand bags back to Home Depot, I should have moved the bags incrementally to try to find the CG of the boat, and maybe finding a sweet spot.

Someone was mentioning this is way overkill for an open bow, maybe, we did not open it up to bring people with us, we opened it up so we don't have to climb over the boat to get in...I'm done doing that shit. Plus it gives us more storage, plus a built in ice chest in the front, and best of all, I have an 90mph cruise speed, I'm not killing the engines at 3600rpm. I've taken it over a 100mph twice. First time was the day I test drove it, and the second is when I lake tested it when I paid for it. Other than that, my F34 will never see over 100. Now the engines are way detuned from when I bought it. I run 87 octane and the engines rarely see over 3600 rpm. this is pretty much a bad-ass family boat now.


I was advised (don't ask who told me, because I won't divulge the name) to buy one of these boats with bravo drives because of the weight. Yah the 6 drives are bad ass, but he said they are heavy and really not needed on a lake anyways. But then again, SCX drives are bad ass too!

 

[JRider]

I have a friend that had an F34 he got in a partial trade for a boat he was selling. I'm not sure, but it might be this boat. He ended up pulling the engines and drives and putting them in a 42 Fountain and selling the hull without power.

This is not the boat.