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You can see John making steering inputs as the car approaches but doesn't hit the right side wall, but after it crosses the track and pancakes the left side wall he's just along for the ride.

That was a big hit, as was the next one on the opposite side. The first one was easily 80 Gs, the second over 50. The HANS and the tight roll cage implemented after Eric Medlen's death probably saved his life.

Force has to be the toughest 75 year old sonofabitch alive.
 

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Update on john force
 

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I'm glad that there was family there, and the means to have the rest travel there. As hot rod and bad ass as Force's job is, it's still a guy going to "work".

As a kid, I thought these guys were super heroes, not realizing what it takes to get there, or what can happen when things go bad.
 

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I’m thinking they aren’t going to medically clear him by Thursday/Friday. Would Courtney jump in his car if she’s still current on her licence?
 

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I’m thinking they aren’t going to medically clear him by Thursday/Friday. Would Courtney jump in his car if she’s still current on her licence?
Good question. If John is still in the ICU, I as well am very doubtful that he will even be at the track, let alone in any condition to drive. I'd also be surprised if Courtney would substitute for John given his crash is fresh in the families mind. I know that Jordan Vandergriff has made a couple of hits in Johns car recently, however I don't think that he is licensed in a funny car yet. Jonnie Lindberg is current and available.
 

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Good question. If John is still in the ICU, I as well am very doubtful that he will even be at the track, let alone in any condition to drive. I'd also be surprised if Courtney would substitute for John given his crash is fresh in the families mind. I know that Jordan Vandergriff has made a couple of hits in Johns car recently, however I don't think that he is licensed in a funny car yet. Jonnie Lindberg is current and available.

So is Jack Beckman
 

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At 75yrs old and with his money and accomplishments I think I’d hang up the helmet and be watching from behind the start line.
I think I could be very happy being a legendary grandpa. I hope he gets the chance to spoil grandkids rotten. Even on bad days in qualifying, he was always super good to the kids.
 

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At 75yrs old and with his money and accomplishments I think I’d hang up the helmet and be watching from behind the start line.
I doubt he’s done it for money for a loooong time. A different perspective. If you could compete at the highest level and do the thing you’ve loved doing since you were young, would you stop? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
 

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I doubt he’s done it for money for a loooong time. A different perspective. If you could compete at the highest level and do the thing you’ve loved doing since you were young, would you stop? I sure as hell wouldn’t.
Nobody wants to be told when to stop doing something they have passionately done successfully all of their life. I get that 100%. To be 75yrs old driving a Top Fuel funny car going over 300mph sitting behind an explosive bomb is not for the faint of heart nor the elderly. I’m saying given his success and age at what point do you say maybe I should think about stepping out of the car and managing the operation while still alive and able to reflect on your accomplishments. Or do you say F it and drive till fate decides when that last pass is made? The physical and mental strain on any human in that environment is unbelievable let alone a 75yr old man. It’s like having to take the keys away from your parents because you want to save their life or another life when they become too old to safely drive a car. How or when do you make that decision is a tough one. Do I want to fly an airplane until I’m 100 yrs old? Yes. At what level? Who says when it’s no longer safe. Look at the 90yr old pilot killed a few weeks ago coming out of the backside of a loop. I like John Force. I have had him on my airplane a couple times. I’d say given his success and accomplishments maybe he should think about stepping out of the car and prolong his legacy and remove some unnecessary risk at his age. It sounds bitchin and cool and all to say he’s 75yrs old still tearing it up and dominating but if that was my Dad I’d want to have that conversation with him and keep him around as long as possible. Idk what the answer is here.
 
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Nobody wants to be told when to stop doing something they have passionately done successfully all of their life. I get that 100%. To be 75yrs old driving a Top Fuel funny car going over 300mph sitting behind an explosive bomb is not for the faint at heart nor the elderly. I’m saying given his success and age at what point do you say maybe I should think about stepping out of the car and managing the operation while still alive and able to reflect on your accomplishments. Or do you say F it and drive till fate decides when that last pass is made? The physical and mental strain on any human in that environment is unbelievable let alone a 75yr old man. It’s like having to take the keys away from your parents because you want to save their life or another life when they become too old to safely drive a car. How or when do you make that decision is a tough one. Do I want to fly an airplane until I’m 100 yrs old? Yes. At what level? Who says when it’s no longer safe. Look at the 90yr old pilot killed a few weeks ago coming out of the backside of a loop. I like John Force. I have had him on my airplane a couple times. I’d say given his success and accomplishments maybe he should think about stepping out of the car and prolong his legacy and remove some unnecessary risk at his age. It sounds bitchin and cool and all to say he’s 75yrs old still tearing it up and dominating but if that was my Dad I’d want to have that conversation with him and keep him around as long as possible. Idk what the answer is here.
Valid point.

Is he unsafe? I don’t think so. Personally I’d rather go out doing what I love, especially at an advanced age, vs. sitting on the sidelines watching others do what I know I could do. As long as he’s not endangering others, I see no issue.

How much time does he have left? He could have won one championship, stopped and said he accomplished what he came to do and stopped because driving was too dangerous and he wanted to spend time with his family.

IMO No correct answer. I think both point of views are valid.
 

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Valid point.

Is he unsafe? I don’t think so. Personally I’d rather go out doing what I love, especially at an advanced age, vs. sitting on the sidelines watching others do what I know I could do. As long as he’s not endangering others, I see no issue.

How much time does he have left? He could have won one championship, stopped and said he accomplished what he came to do and stopped because driving was too dangerous and he wanted to spend time with his family.

IMO No correct answer. I think both point of views are valid.

He's still winning races, so clearly he can still wheel a car.
 

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I've been a fan of John's since the early days at OCIR. Obviously his age did not have an impact on what happened but it will definitely impact his recovery. Many 75 year-olds fall in the shower, break a hip, go to the hospital and die of infection. John is not your average 75 year old, he has a lot of mileage left. The fact that he is #2 in points and pretty much said he's stepping down at the end of the season to allow Robert and Austin to be the drivers, going out as a 17X champ has to be pretty tempting.

Regardless, the decision will be made as a family. His ability control a funny car is truly incredible. The amount of times he has wheeled a car outside the groove at over 300MPH impresses me every time.

As a fan, I would love to see him rally and go on to win a 17th championship and then step down. They'd make a movie about it!

As a human being I truly hope and pray that he is OK. 🙏
 

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Force is not just still winning races, he’s second in points for an unmatched 17th world championship.
Prock (in Hights car) has a points stranglehold on the FC class though, with no signs of loosening that grip.
But one thing that is true is that JF is the sponsor draw. He would never sit back and let sponsorship commitments evaporate.
Racer attitude aside, I can’t see him stepping down before seasons end unless he is medically unfit.
He will give them what they pay for if he can.

On a side note, what is wrong with Hight? I can’t find any reports on his medical situation?
Same with Mike Salinas.

Prock is in Hights car.
Jasmine Salinas is in her dads car.
No explanations given.
 

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I've been a fan of John's since the early days at OCIR. Obviously his age did not have an impact on what happened but it will definitely impact his recovery. Many 75 year-olds fall in the shower, break a hip, go to the hospital and die of infection. John is not your average 75 year old, he has a lot of mileage left. The fact that he is #2 in points and pretty much said he's stepping down at the end of the season to allow Robert and Austin to be the drivers, going out as a 17X champ has to be pretty tempting.

Regardless, the decision will be made as a family. His ability control a funny car is truly incredible. The amount of times he has wheeled a car outside the groove at over 300MPH impresses me every time.

As a fan, I would love to see him rally and go on to win a 17th championship and then step down. They'd make a movie about it!

As a human being I truly hope and pray that he is OK. 🙏
Beat me by that much!👍
 

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Whatever he decides, I hope that he listens to his family both for and against retirement. Then only John has the final word. A fact based movie or documentary would just be an added bonus for us fans. :cool:
 

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I don't believe that Brittany Force has a Facebook page. And this photois from John's 2007 crash.
she does have FB, she is on my want to be friends list almost everyday.
 

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The racers mind set

This line has shown up on many racing memes lately

I took a ride in my buddies blown Sanger and he actually threw down on the loud pedal, I'm pretty sure we were into the 100s and he looked over and said you don't lift until you see God!

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There is no way he doesn't get back in the saddle if he is cleared by his doctors. He has said he was going to step down at the end of the season, but there is no way he is going to let this be his last trip down the track. I hope and pray for a speedy recovery, drag racing won't be the same without his presence at the track.
 

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Me too, but apparently that's just not the way most racers think
Nope,
On Sunday I went to the NHRA motorsports museum for Larry Dixon Sr's celebration of life service (his son and I went to high school together) Listening to all the people talking about the sport (and JF's crash) it's a risk they accept because they love racing so much.
Just like his father, Larry has a passion for racing, it's in his blood and it won't diminish. He still jumps at the chance to drive a feuler any chance he gets, takes people for rides in his NitroX2 dragster, and races his near 9 second 66 Nova every chance he gets.
These guys will keep doing it until the money runs out or they are not physically able...
 

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And honestly, I can't for the life of me understand why Jack Beckman doesn't have the sponsorship to get back in the driver's seat. I've known him since the street races in the mid 80's and he is the most genuine guy you'll ever meet. Along with a passion for it that is second to none, he's an Air Force veteran, intelligent, well spoken, and has the likability factor that sponsors love. It's a complete waste of talent and just goes to show the current state of the sport...
 

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On a side note, what is wrong with Hight? I can’t find any reports on his medical situation?
Same with Mike Salinas.

Prock is in Hights car.
Jasmine Salinas is in her dads car.
No explanations given.
I have my suspicions about both Hight and Salinas and I think the may both be suffering from conditions caused by a certain something. Hope they both recover and make it back to the race track soon.
 

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The absence of any information about Force's condition is becoming a concern. The severity of the initial impact with the wall was huge, with g forces at the upper limit of survivability. I don't say this lightly, but I have an idea of the range because similar wall hits at speeds in excess of 200 MPH occur in IndyCar and I know the specific g forces involved.

There is a type of head trauma known as a diffuse axonal injury. It occurs when the head is exposed to extreme g forces during a collision.

Diffuse axonal injury (DAI) is a type of traumatic brain injury (TBI) that occurs when the brain's nerve fibers are torn or sheared during a blunt injury to the head. This can happen when the brain shifts and rotates inside the skull during severe head trauma, such as a high-speed motor vehicle accident. The shearing motion can cause microscopic and macroscopic damage to the axons at the junction of the grey and white matter, resulting in scattered lesions across a wide area of both tissues.

Just over four years ago, former CART and IndyCar champion Alex Zanardi suffered a DAI when he collided with a truck while competing in a handcycling race. Since late 2022, there have been no announcements regarding his current condition.

While I'm likely overreacting, rewatching a video of the crash and the violence of the left wall hit is sobering.
 

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The absence of any information about Force's condition is becoming a concern. The severity of the initial impact with the wall was huge, with g forces at the upper limit of survivability. I don't say this lightly, but I have an idea of the range because similar wall hits at speeds in excess of 200 MPH occur in IndyCar and I know the specific g forces involved.

There is a type of head trauma known as a diffuse axonal injury. It occurs when the head is exposed to extreme g forces during a collision.

Diffuse axonal injury (DAI) is a type of traumatic brain injury (TBI) that occurs when the brain's nerve fibers are torn or sheared during a blunt injury to the head. This can happen when the brain shifts and rotates inside the skull during severe head trauma, such as a high-speed motor vehicle accident. The shearing motion can cause microscopic and macroscopic damage to the axons at the junction of the grey and white matter, resulting in scattered lesions across a wide area of both tissues.

Just over four years ago, former CART and IndyCar champion Alex Zanardi suffered a DAI when he collided with a truck while competing in a handcycling race. Since late 2022, there have been no announcements regarding his current condition.

While I'm likely overreacting, rewatching a video of the crash and the violence of the left wall hit is sobering.
Isn't that what Earnhardt died of?
 

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Isn't that what Earnhardt died of?

Earnhardt had a basilar skull fracture. Effectively brain stem tried to pull his brain out the bottom of his skull. HANS probably would have saved his life.

The absence of any information about Force's condition is becoming a concern. The severity of the initial impact with the wall was huge, with g forces at the upper limit of survivability. I don't say this lightly, but I have an idea of the range because similar wall hits at speeds in excess of 200 MPH occur in IndyCar and I know the specific g forces involved.

There is a type of head trauma known as a diffuse axonal injury. It occurs when the head is exposed to extreme g forces during a collision.

Diffuse axonal injury (DAI) is a type of traumatic brain injury (TBI) that occurs when the brain's nerve fibers are torn or sheared during a blunt injury to the head. This can happen when the brain shifts and rotates inside the skull during severe head trauma, such as a high-speed motor vehicle accident. The shearing motion can cause microscopic and macroscopic damage to the axons at the junction of the grey and white matter, resulting in scattered lesions across a wide area of both tissues.

Just over four years ago, former CART and IndyCar champion Alex Zanardi suffered a DAI when he collided with a truck while competing in a handcycling race. Since late 2022, there have been no announcements regarding his current condition.

While I'm likely overreacting, rewatching a video of the crash and the violence of the left wall hit is sobering.

Isn't Zanardi the one that got his legs cut off in a CART race in the late 90's/early 2000's? What terrible luck
 

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Whatever the case, I obviously hope for the best for Force. He's been one of the constants in the sport. A smiling, familiar face at the track since my first trip to Pomona, decades ago. I haven't meandered through the pits in a long time, but he'll always be a vivid part of my youth.
 

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Isn't Zanardi the one that got his legs cut off in a CART race in the late 90's/early 2000's? What terrible luck
Yes. The man has a heart and focus that few have matched. He overcame that near death experience and successfully returned to racing in saloon and sports cars. His second injury was cruel fate. I feel sad for his wife and family. They have gone through hell, and Alex is someplace they can no longer reach. It's a terrible tragedy.
 

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When he starts lane swapping, then I would say he is too old. Until then he still has great reflexes and car control.
 

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I think the wall on the left took him out after hitting the step in the wall the way he did .
Must have been sticking out 8”. .
NHRA needs to look at that .
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I think the wall on the left took him out after hitting the step in the wall the way he did .
Must have been sticking out 8”. .
NHRA needs to look at that .
Yeah was wondering the same. Why have a protruding section of wall at that point on the track as it is the most dangerous place to have it. Bet their gonna look at that real close...
 

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Race cars are always good at finding weaknesses in the track safety. That concrete protuberance shouldn't be there.
The worst one I ever saw was either Indy or F1 at some road track. The car spears the Armco barrier and bursts into flames. I swear it was a good couple of minutes at least before you even see the driver trying to extricate himself while everything is still on fire. He manages to get out.

I think he bought a lot of lotto tickets after he got out of the care center.
 

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The worst one I ever saw was either Indy or F1 at some road track. The car spears the Armco barrier and bursts into flames. I swear it was a good couple of minutes at least before you even see the driver trying to extricate himself while everything is still on fire. He manages to get out.

I think he bought a lot of lotto tickets after he got out of the care center.
That was Romain Grosjean, driving in F1 for Haas. It was a f'ing scary crash.
 

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That was Romain Grosjean, driving in F1 for Haas. It was a f'ing scary crash.
Amazing he only burned his hands and was able to get out after going through the guardrails. I remember watching that race live and just caught a glimpse of the fireball before the Sky Sports broadcast cut away for several minutes while they determined he was OK.

 

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They sure are being tight lipped about his condition. Hope he’s going to be alright.
It all in his marketing teams hands now. They a slow playing it for some reason.
 

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… There is something so addicting about the smell of nitro and the adrenaline rush of a fuel car… So there is that…
… Let’s just hope that the doctors are waiting for the swelling to go down on probably everything internal in his body…. Fingers crossed here👍
 

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On another site I read that he’s got a pretty good head injury and is in a Medically induced coma to control it.
Whether that’s accurate or not who knows.
Would make sense given the G Forces he was subjected to as well as the lack of updates on his condition.
Let keep him in our prayers.
 
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