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Interesting he said that as some of the largest chip fab plants are going in his backyard. He would have to have blinders on to not be thinking how does he send qualified talent to further grow the chip industry in the east valley and via that alumni network create a partnership with intel, nvidia, and others to even further grow his university via donations. Further, the university has the potentional to be a cog in the future proof chip making machine similar to Duke/UNC/NC State at reseach triangle park, or Stanford in Silicon valley.
Yes, massive upside for ASU as this is in their backyard. Also significant research is being done at U of A as well. No doubt the community colleges will engage in training workers. TSMC was smart about attracting talent. They reached out to future college graduates and asked them to relocate to Taiwan while the plant(s) in Phoenix are under construction. Free room and board in Taiwan. Save your money and come back to Phoenix and buy a house, start a family. Pretty compelling to spend time overseas for free and lots of on-the -job training for TSMC.
 

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It was gone by the time I graduated....it might've been there when I enrolled though
We are a baseball school sir!
Youā€™re not that old then. 1992 was the last year for football. šŸ˜‰Titans baseball has sent some great players to the MLB. I am more a Dirtbag fan. šŸ™‚
 

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Iā€™m getting quite a bit of exposure to this generations lack of mechanical aptitude with my aviation training facility. Some of these kids walking in the door have obviously never had there fingers caught in the spokes of their bicycles when they were kids and it shows. Honestly I think that the required preflight checks on the little trainer planes may be there first hands on exposure to a mechanical thing that they need to fully understand, itā€™s a big lift for some of them.

I can see where this guy is coming from stating that itā€™s hard to develop a functional program around those without some developed mechanical aptitude.
I work with a bunch of young ā€œengineersā€. The process guys know all about the process but have no idea how to build it to make it happen. The mechanical guys can design it but donā€™t know shit about the process and the chemical guys just show elemental charts and scare the shit out of everybody. Seems like a waste of resources?

However, I know just enough about everything to be extremely dangerous.šŸ¤Ŗ
 

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I offer no flight instruction, Iā€™m just the janitoršŸ˜‚
šŸ˜‚. My step son wants to go to Harvard(7th grade). Maybe we can get a 2 for 1 discount.

We are figuring out the academic requirements as well. 4.0 student and never once had to help him do school work or prepare for a test.

School takes no effort for him. Heā€™s a great kid and student.
 

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Not sure about the Ivy leagues but my daughter was a 4.5 GPA all the good test scores. Worked as a state parks life guard , swim team, campus clubs , service hours etc.

She got into UCSD and did her undergrad in 4 years ( while swimming all 4 years ) and masters in 1 year. She had a friend that went to brown that sells insurance.

IMO if the kids are driven ( like your daughter ) they will get after it. My neighbor has 4 kids all went JC, State and then moved on. one is at Columbia the other is a prestigious law school I forget the name. But he saved a mint as his kids lived at home for the JC and State school years.

Sounds like your daughter is on tract to be a great citizen. Just make sure you stay close to her during that journey as the the school WILL try and change them. My daughters list of books and classes her freshman year at UCSD would make you puke. Islam, La Raza, gender BS, Merkel and the German left, the danger of the right etc. the list goes on. I have more that one friend whoā€™s kids came home from college as one of these blue haired gender confused freaks or worse.

Stay close to her !
 
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My daughter Graduated from Cal St Fullerton and my son transfers into UCI to finish his physics degree next year.

Based on this thread I should build a basement so they have a place to live until we die. Then they can move upstairs.


By the way they can both back a boat trailer better than most. I taught them what's important in life...Boats.
It just opens more doors than CSUF. That being said, I went to OCC and graduated a Titan and I do pretty well. Probably in the top 10% at my position and climbing.
 

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During my journey I took classes at two JC's, CSUF, UCR, and U of Redlands, and then a Master's from Cal State San Berdoo.
University of Redlands had the best reputation, and cost the most money. It was also a complete waste of my time. They spent a year teaching concepts that had already come and gone and no one outside of New Zealand was still using the techniques for language development that I was being discussed all semester long.
The best teachers are often found at JCs because they are still working in the real world and teaching is a side gig.
 

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Fellow Titan grad here (we don't need to mention the year) My daughter and her husband (both Baylor class of 23 grads) were taught the most important marital skillz by me. He backs the trailer, she drives the boat. This program has been in play since their college dating days....I predict a long, happy marriage with many days on the water in their future.
My Daughter starts Chapman Univ. in the fall. Doctorate degree is on her plate now.
My Son Nuclear Physics and has several years ahead of him also.

I like that setup. My wife and I used to do the exact same. If the kids are with us were on easy street. If not, holy shit is that allot of work. ;) šŸ˜
 

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And Harley's. šŸ˜Ž
You know he's ridden that thing nearly 12K miles. About to test the "Free tires for life" at Riverside HD. This will be set number three.

He has an air shock with compressor on that thing now. Super cush...His comments used to be pretty negative regarding soft tails so he made one.
 

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Iā€™ll throw a little gas on the firešŸ˜‰

What exactly is it that some of you think a female with only a highschool education is going to have for options in todayā€™s world?

This whole ā€œcollege is the devilā€ mind set is amusing to say the least šŸ˜‚

Literally anything..

I donā€™t think college is the devil though.. I do think these indoctrination centers that brainwash youth into liberalism for hopes Of a brighter future are a massive problem.

To retort to the absurdness of it all.. if you put you in her shoes right now with all the qualifications etc the odds of you being a straight white male are pretty low.. ironically I think it was Harvard and a few others that got in trouble for discrimination against Asians. (Which may still be a problem?).

Either way to answer the question posed.. anyone can do anything in life with enough drive, planning and intelligence. Most (by a vast majority) of the wealthiest people I know didnā€™t go to college.. a few didnā€™t even graduate high school.

That said Iā€™m not advocating for the lack of education and I understand the connections that come with an Ivy League education. It certainly does pave a path and opens a lot of doors. I am just saying that it isnā€™t the only path..

What success is at the end of the day to get to the heart of the question depends on whatever metric you are measuring.. money? Happiness? Etc..

I believe you used to tell the story of the rich guy that went to Mexico and ran into the guy with the panga drinking a six pack of corona on the beach.. told the guy how he could make a million.. and when the Mexican said what do you do when your done? Well ya sit on the beach with a six pack of corona.

RD
 

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This should be interesting to hear what it took to get into those colleges. My daughter is a 4.0+ student taking AP classes founded 2 clubs and wants to go to Baylor or Texas A&M. I'll be watching this thread.
I just returned from my daughters graduation at Baylor. Before selecting Baylor as her choice she was accepted to UPenn but chose Baylor
 

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Not to detract from the thread but are you concerned about her becoming somewhat brainwashed through those years?

Those schools ainā€™t exactly what they used to be.. especially in the philosophy, sociology, politics etc.. some of their ideas are pretty out there.
Exactly. My daughter chose Baylor over UPenn and graduated this past Saturday. She would have been at UPenn for the whole stupid trans-swimmer garbage that went down 2-3 years ago. She is SO happy she chose Baylor.
 

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After putting 3 kids through expensive private Universities and one through graduate architecture school I have some experience looking back. Also, living in Park City I know a lot of ivy grads that are succesful along with their kids graduating and going to school at the same time as my kids. If I had to make one observation about how their college helped them be succesful its because they were able to tap in to the alumni from the school after graduating. One friend went to Harvard and got his law degree and stayed to get his MBA. Some Harvard grads at Suisse Bank pulled him in as an investment banker where he worked in NY and LA for years. Today he owns a capital investment firm and one of the companies it owns is a very succesful and popular wake board boat compan everybody has heard of. Very succesful and the alumni association helped get him there BUT he was driven to succeed no matter where he went. I think the Ivy association made him a little more succesful. And BTW, he didnt get accepted in to Harvard as a freshman, he went to another smaller university and worked his butt off for 4 years. Never partied, never drank and only worked and volunteered. He got accepted in to Harvard as a graduate student, not a freshman. Theres a lesson in there for any kid that thinks ivy out of high school is the way to go. Honestly I think the graduate degrees from the Ivy league is the real show stopper. The most succesful Ivy grads I know are from their GRADUATE schools.
 

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After putting 3 kids through expensive private Universities and one through graduate architecture school I have some experience looking back. Also, living in Park City I know a lot of ivy grads that are succesful along with their kids graduating and going to school at the same time as my kids. If I had to make one observation about how their college helped them be succesful its because they were able to tap in to the alumni from the school after graduating. One friend went to Harvard and got his law degree and stayed to get his MBA. Some Harvard grads at Suisse Bank pulled him in as an investment banker where he worked in NY and LA for years. Today he owns a capital investment firm and one of the companies it owns is a very succesful and popular wake board boat compan everybody has heard of. Very succesful and the alumni association helped get him there BUT he was driven to succeed no matter where he went. I think the Ivy association made him a little more succesful. And BTW, he didnt get accepted in to Harvard as a freshman, he went to another smaller university and worked his butt off for 4 years. Never partied, never drank and only worked and volunteered. He got accepted in to Harvard as a graduate student, not a freshman. Theres a lesson in there for any kid that thinks ivy out of high school is the way to go. Honestly I think the graduate degrees from the Ivy league is the real show stopper. The most succesful Ivy grads I know are from their GRADUATE schools.
So true

I have a buddy with a Harvard MBA and he is never asked about is undergrad work. Another buddy as I mentioned in another post his daughter graduated with masters from Columbia and no one cares that she went the JC and state route for her undergrad.
 

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This should be interesting to hear what it took to get into those colleges. My daughter is a 4.0+ student taking AP classes founded 2 clubs and wants to go to Baylor or Texas A&M. I'll be watching this thread.
She should have a good chance at those two. But seriously, 2 big 12 schools and KU isn't on the list? The Stanford of the Midwest i say! šŸ¤£
 

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So true

I have a buddy with a Harvard MBA and he is never asked about is undergrad work. Another buddy as I mentioned in another post his daughter graduated with masters from Columbia and no one cares that she went the JC and state route for her undergrad.

My wife did the same thing...
 

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Some 70 percent of kids who apply are qualified to come to school here, and we have space for one in ten [one in twenty, actually].

Unless youā€™re demonstrably unique as well as high-achieving, youā€™ll probably not get in there, and even if you are, you still may not.


 

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Literally anything..

I donā€™t think college is the devil though.. I do think these indoctrination centers that brainwash youth into liberalism for hopes Of a brighter future are a massive problem.

To retort to the absurdness of it all.. if you put you in her shoes right now with all the qualifications etc the odds of you being a straight white male are pretty low.. ironically I think it was Harvard and a few others that got in trouble for discrimination against Asians. (Which may still be a problem?).

Either way to answer the question posed.. anyone can do anything in life with enough drive, planning and intelligence. Most (by a vast majority) of the wealthiest people I know didnā€™t go to college.. a few didnā€™t even graduate high school.

That said Iā€™m not advocating for the lack of education and I understand the connections that come with an Ivy League education. It certainly does pave a path and opens a lot of doors. I am just saying that it isnā€™t the only path..

What success is at the end of the day to get to the heart of the question depends on whatever metric you are measuring.. money? Happiness? Etc..

I believe you used to tell the story of the rich guy that went to Mexico and ran into the guy with the panga drinking a six pack of corona on the beach.. told the guy how he could make a million.. and when the Mexican said what do you do when your done? Well ya sit on the beach with a six pack of corona.

RD
Litterally anything?

So letā€™s say a girl or boy with no education/qualifications wants to be the administrator of a hospital or maybe an architect, how exactly is that gonna play out to attain that position? Point being is that without an education/qualification the traditional options for a chosen profession can be very limited.

I have three of the whitest male privileged cousins youā€™ve ever seen, blonde hair, blue eyes, all over 6ā€™. There folks are both well off, educated, professionals. They are all USC grads who were immediately employed post graduation for large companies with six figure starting incomes. Itā€™s good to be a white male in our society, If your having issues youā€™re not doing it right LOL

I canā€™t speak for the blue haired tranny crowd, fuckem šŸ˜‚
 

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It just opens more doors than CSUF. That being said, I went to OCC and graduated a Titan and I do pretty well. Probably in the top 10% at my position and climbing.
When my daughter graduated from CSUF she needed some Pre Reqs and took care of those at IVCC and OCC. She absolutely loved OCC and I did construction classes there back in the day. Chapman is difficult to get into with 2500 applicants for 44 spots a semester in her field alone. She is stoked.
 

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She should have a good chance at those two. But seriously, 2 big 12 schools and KU isn't on the list? The Stanford of the Midwest i say! šŸ¤£
Thank you, yeah I think she has a decent chance at those 2 schools, she's also looking at Northern Arizona University as well
 

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When my daughter graduated from CSUF she needed some Pre Reqs and took care of those at IVCC and OCC. She absolutely loved OCC and I did construction classes there back in the day. Chapman is difficult to get into with 2500 applicants for 44 spots a semester in her field alone. She is stoked.

It saved me a ton of money. I'd say my entire education OTD was ~$10k. Chapman is a great school with a solid alumni network in So Cal. My wife graduated from there and loved it. However, her education was significantly more expensive than mine. :)
 

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It saved me a ton of money. I'd say my entire education OTD was ~$10k. Chapman is a great school with a solid alumni network in So Cal. My wife graduated from there and loved it. However, her education was significantly more expensive than mine. :)
I went to Chapman, but just to do their shuttersšŸ˜ your wifeā€™s tuition contributions were appreciated šŸ‘
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Honestly I think the graduate degrees from the Ivy league is the real show stopper. The most succesful Ivy grads I know are from their GRADUATE schools.
Totally agree with this... If you have a grad degree from IVY league it will overcome the undergrad from a normal school... as well the alumni network at the graduate level is even greater reach... If you are a driven person and able to build strong relationships, put into these circles can be very life changing..
 

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It saved me a ton of money. I'd say my entire education OTD was ~$10k. Chapman is a great school with a solid alumni network in So Cal. My wife graduated from there and loved it. However, her education was significantly more expensive than mine. :)
The money part is the tough one. We will help to some extent but she will carry some debt.

I don't have a four year degree and have been self employed since I was 19. I made my education fit what I wanted becoming certified in various aspects of the things I did. Of course none of that was free.
 

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My daughter get something from Baylor every 7-10 days, A&M once every other month and monthly from Northern Arizona University. She was getting a shit load from some University in Chicago and Nebraska, both have slowed down. Baylor is relentless.
 

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Not sure about the Ivy leagues but my daughter was a 4.5 GPA all the good test scores. Worked as a state parks life guard , swim team, campus clubs , service hours etc.

She got into UCSD and did her undergrad in 4 years ( while swimming all 4 years ) and masters in 1 year. She had a friend that went to brown that sells insurance.

IMO if the kids are driven ( like your daughter ) they will get after it. My neighbor has 4 kids all went JC, State and then moved on. one is at Columbia the other is a prestigious law school I forget the name. But he saved a mint as his kids lived at home for the JC and State school years.

Sounds like your daughter is on tract to be a great citizen. Just make sure you stay close to her during that journey as the the school WILL try and change them. My daughters list of books and classes her freshman year at UCSD would make you puke. Islam, La Raza, gender BS, Merkel and the German left, the danger of the right etc. the list goes on. I have more that one friend whoā€™s kids came home from college as one of these blue haired gender confused freaks or worse.

Stay close to her !
ASU and living at home. They are our investment. No way am I going to allow them to be brainwashed after 18 years of work we put into them.

Kids/especially girls are too naive while theyā€™re young. Gotta keep them off the pole.

Our oldest is a Sr. Next year. Weā€™ve been prepping for ASU since last year this time. Dual enrollment classes. 3 down so far. 4.0 student. She has no idea what sheā€™s wants to do but works a lot at her lifeguard job for the city of Scottsdale and definitely shows work ethic. She qualifies for scholarships at ASU so we will see where it goes from here. Our goal is Zero debt & a degree at the end of this. Itā€™s very obtainable if you use sound principles.
 
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ASU and living at home. They are our investment. No way am I going to allow them to be brainwashed after 18 years of work we put into them.

Kids/especially girls are too naive while theyā€™re young. Gotta keep them off the pole.

Our oldest is a Sr. Next year. Weā€™ve been prepping for ASU since last year this time. Dual enrollment classes. 3 down so far. 4.0 student. She has no idea what sheā€™s wants to do but works a lot at her lifeguard job for the city of Scottsdale and definitely shows work ethic. She qualifies for scholarships at ASU so we will see where it goes from here. Our goal is Zero debt & a degree at the end of this. Itā€™s very obtainable if you use sound principles.

We kept debt with my daughter to a min. using various community collages and then a transfer to CSUF. There she pulled some grants and a partial scholarship basically only having to push a couple three grand her direction. This Chapman deal will be spendy at around a Buck 70 for a three year program. Were not sure how that will look so we will deal with it when Go Time shows up around mid July.
 

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We kept debt with my daughter to a min. using various community collages and then a transfer to CSUF. There she pulled some grants and a partial scholarship basically only having to push a couple three grand her direction. This Chapman deal will be spendy at around a Buck 70 for a three year program. Were not sure how that will look so we will deal with it when Go Time shows up around mid July.
My mom & sister went to Chapman. Good friend got his masters there. Great school.

Damn thatā€™s a lot of money. What career field?
 

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My mom & sister went to Chapman. Good friend got his masters there. Great school.

Damn thatā€™s a lot of money. What career field?
DPT. She's gambling the money against other schools which were less dollars. Plus side is she will be at the campus in Irvine so if she stays home she wont need living expenses. For the record she is moving out...LMAO well see.
 

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I tell all my kids.
  • Go someplace YOU want to go. We will figure out the payment program after that has been decided. You will have a better experience, going where YOU want to go. That said, you need to have a plan on what you are going to do.
Oldest stepson went to CU-Boulder. Studied Ecology and Evolutionary Biology. He had jobs to go work for the federal government doing research, but declined the offers before I could convince him to accept. He did not look at the complete package. Jobs included vehicle, room and board, but the salary was in the 20ā€™s. He wanted to attend grad school, but he thought I would pay. When mom and I told him ā€™we paid undergrad, graduate is on youā€™ he stopped. He leveraged his degree to start a business (we helped fund it), but got burned out. Working 7 days a week was not for him. He is now maintenance supervisor for a large apartment complex in Denver and an apprentice in the HVAC trade.

Middle stepson. Said he wanted to go to college. Had no idea what he wanted to study. Sent him, thinking he would grow up. He attended UofHawaii and dropped out after 3 years in 2022. His dad told him it was OK to drop out. Wife and I were notified by my wifeā€™ ex that he said it was OK. Since I was paying the bills, I told the kid, all your FAFSA loans (17k) are your responsibility. I would have wrote a check, if he earned his degree. His dad (who said it was Ok to drop out), now refuses to allow the kid to live with him, since he dropped out of college. Total CF. He signed a rental contract with me on Jan 1, 2023 for 24 months and will be evicted on Jan 1, 2025. Treating him like a tenant. He has 7 months until eviction, and it will be one of the hardest days in our house IMO. You never give up on your kids, but he refuses to attend therapy to figure out WTF is going on (help him understand why he dropped out, his lack of motivation, impact his biological dad has had on his life, etc.). Wife and I have already told him; tell us when you are ready, but we donā€™t need to know what is said in therapy. Wife finally said tough love is going to have to occur.

Youngest kid (my biological daughter). 6th grader with a 4.0, first chair clarinet and starting libero for travel volleyball team. Hoping she has options.
 
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DPT. She's gambling the money against other schools which were less dollars. Plus side is she will be at the campus in Irvine so if she stays home she wont need living expenses. For the record she is moving out...LMAO well see.
We have 7 years of this BS starting 2025 with two daughters. Brutal!!
 

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Okay RDP braintrust, since we are talking about the college thing..... my boy is at UNLV on scholarship.
He is thinking about Construction Management

What's your thoughts on this?
My brother is a big dog at McCarthy Construction and said he would have a job with them if needed.
What's your take?
 

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The question I keep asking my kids is what kind of life do you want to live? What are your expectations? Define some of that and search for a vocation that will justify the education expenses & earning potential to live the life they imagine.

Personality, drive & work ethic are the foundations of all of that.
 

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Okay RDP braintrust, since we are talking about the college thing..... my boy is at UNLV on scholarship.
He is thinking about Construction Management

What's your thoughts on this?
My brother is a big dog at McCarthy Construction and said he would have a job with them if needed.
What's your take?
McCarthy is a huge GC. CM can be a great job for the right person. I have seen some CMs coming straight out of college on job sites that thought they new everything about construction and how certain trades should install their pipes, ducts, conduitsā€¦..Some of the older guys didnt like it and there were issues in the field.
 

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Okay RDP braintrust, since we are talking about the college thing..... my boy is at UNLV on scholarship.
He is thinking about Construction Management

What's your thoughts on this?
My brother is a big dog at McCarthy Construction and said he would have a job with them if needed.
What's your take?
Sounds like a solid plan. I don't foresee AI eliminating that position.
 

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ASU and living at home. They are our investment. No way am I going to allow them to be brainwashed after 18 years of work we put into them.

Kids/especially girls are too naive while theyā€™re young. Gotta keep them off the pole.

Our oldest is a Sr. Next year. Weā€™ve been prepping for ASU since last year this time. Dual enrollment classes. 3 down so far. 4.0 student. She has no idea what sheā€™s wants to do but works a lot at her lifeguard job for the city of Scottsdale and definitely shows work ethic. She qualifies for scholarships at ASU so we will see where it goes from here. Our goal is Zero debt & a degree at the end of this. Itā€™s very obtainable if you use sound principles.
Plus if your a az resident you pay peanuts
 

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Okay RDP braintrust, since we are talking about the college thing..... my boy is at UNLV on scholarship.
He is thinking about Construction Management

What's your thoughts on this?
My brother is a big dog at McCarthy Construction and said he would have a job with them if needed.
What's your take?


McCarthy is one of my largest accounts. I just spent a few days with their executive team back east.

I either deal or have dealt with hundreds of the largest GCā€™s.

I have a lot of respect for how McCarthy develops & teaches their newest Construction Management college graduates. Theyā€™re typically put in a project engineer role right out of college and learn all the real world ā€œblock & tacklingā€ of construction that is impossible to learn in a classroom setting.

McCarthy is so large that thereā€™s endless opportunities for advancement and so many verticals beyond your typical job site like renewables, oil & gas, etcā€¦ that if you choose to stay you can move up within the organization in a very organized and deliberate path and be supported in that endeavor if you have the drive for it.

Tenure can say a lot about culture within an organization and McCarthy has many people that have been with the organization for 20+ years. If the organization takes care of its people then itā€™s people will take care of the customer and that seems to be the common theme amongst many of the markets throughout the country that McCarthy has a presence.
 

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Ok so you want the real answer here it is....I have helped hundreds of families move on to the next level be it jc, d1 2 3 naia. I have had numerous go on to play in the IVY league....

When it comes to IVY league everyone is smart. everyone has 4.6 and above GPAs they are all part of the National Honors Society, they are all in ASB, they all score well in the SAT and ACT ( I have one player who just finished at Cornell who missed 1 on the SAT.), they all do community service. What sets the IVY league kids apart from the rest is there SPIKE. There is something they do that makes them stand out from the other 50000 applications. They need a story. Starting a business in HS. Building homes for chinese immigrants in mexico. being on a las vegas black jack team, a big research study(These IB programs are amazing). Or you know an alumni or can donate 25 million for a new building.

4.0 gpa and clubs are the norm these days......theres millions of kids doing that....
 

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Ok so you want the real answer here it is....I have helped hundreds of families move on to the next level be it jc, d1 2 3 naia. I have had numerous go on to play in the IVY league....

When it comes to IVY league everyone is smart. everyone has 4.6 and above GPAs they are all part of the National Honors Society, they are all in ASB, they all score well in the SAT and ACT ( I have one player who just finished at Cornell who missed 1 on the SAT.), they all do community service. What sets the IVY league kids apart from the rest is there SPIKE. There is something they do that makes them stand out from the other 50000 applications. They need a story. Starting a business in HS. Building homes for chinese immigrants in mexico. being on a las vegas black jack team, a big research study(These IB programs are amazing). Or you know an alumni or can donate 25 million for a new building.

4.0 gpa and clubs are the norm these days......theres millions of kids doing that....
Good info, thanks.

Thankfully my daughter doesn't want to go to an IVY school but the information in here could help get her into the school she wants to go to.
 
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