Ivy League, how did you get in or get the kids in?

[whiteworks]

Taking and passing AP or IB classes means nothing if they don't pass the test for each course at end of year and each one cost like $125. Our son passed all his IB tests and was a 4.3 GPA he had lots of offers but chose UCSD for his undergrad. He saved us almost 2 years in tuition by passing all the IB test he walked into college with 46 college credits.. I cant stress it enough to make sure they pass the test at end of taking classes had lots of friends kids that took AP or IB classes but in end didn't get the college credit because they didn't pass test.

She’s doing the IB stuff now, seems like a solid program.

 

[dread Pirate]

I’ll throw a little gas on the fire

What exactly is it that some of you think a female with only a highschool education is going to have for options in today’s world?

This whole “college is the devil” mind set is amusing to say the least

Excellent argument. No single answer.

I think you have to use college to get to where you want to be. Use the classes you need, but ignore the shit pushed on you. Not easy. Not going into college with the intent of figuring it out, but having a set plan going in. Take what you need and leave the rest attitude. The schools want your money and the banks want you're debt. They don't give a shit what classes you take or what dumbass major you think you'll survive on. It's predatory. Gotta ge a lion in a field of sheep.

I see a lot of women going into welding, truck driving and equipment operators. Not for many or even most, but watching 100# 21 year old running a skidder on the side of a mountain smiling ear to ear making $40+ an hour is a sight to see.

 

[rivrrts429]

As far as Ivy League schools not giving out Sports scholarships that's not true. One of my clients got a full ride for football. He was heavily recruited by a bunch of good schools and decided education was more important. He had a really good freshmen year and then covid fucked him for 2 years and he was replaced by a kid that was even better so his pro dream never really came true. Needless to say he ended up with a yale degree and a cushy Newport Beach Finance job with a great tile and starting pay.

I should’ve been more specific when I said they don’t give out athletic scholarships. They’re typically not as plentiful across a wide range of sports.

They absolutely do give athletic scholarships but after meeting with colleges the available dollars amongst D1 were so much more plentiful and beneficial.

Not a big deal as academically and Ivy specific there is plenty of available dollars for those parents willing to dedicate the time to uncovering & networking.

My bad for phrasing it in the way I did.

 

[Cole Trickle]

So you’re saying I shouldn’t show the admissions committee my white privilege card? She will be checking the “mexican of the South Pacific” box, or as her mother calls it Filipino View attachment 1374086

They will assume you are president of the socal KKK club just because of your complexion and hair style...lol

Seems like checking the anti Semitic box up until the woke president got fired would have got you in easy peezey.

 

[rivermobster]

It's pretty obvious who has kids in college, and who doesn't...

What some of "you people" think about college, is coming from what you've been fed by the media.

Because of Boy Scouts, and all the kids and dads I've kept up with over the years, I don't know Anyone that "fell into" some liberal rat hole.

They have all been Very successful with their degrees making way more money than I would have ever imagined to make at their age.

My daughter will be in college for Many more years going after the medical degree she is after, and she will be in some serious debt!

But just like everyone else we know that went into medicine, she will make enough money to pay it all off in short order.

Some of these kids, as interns, make more money than I ever made working!

There actually ARE other ways to be successful, besides social media.

 

[ChumpChange]

I’ll throw a little gas on the fire

What exactly is it that some of you think a female with only a highschool education is going to have for options in today’s world?

This whole “college is the devil” mind set is amusing to say the least

Your question isn’t valid in this argument.

Nobody was arguing Ivy League versus high school diploma. They were arguing Ivy League versus other established universities.

 

[whiteworks]

Your question isn’t valid in this argument.

Nobody was arguing Ivy League versus high school diploma. They were arguing Ivy League versus other established universities.

Zip it bean counter, that’s not how we raise blood pressure around here

 

[adam909]

The good thing is that your starting early.. Your daughter needs to talk to her counselor at her school. A counselor will help guide her through the process. There's a lot more then just applying. A 4.0 is good but your going to see thats not good enough. There are kids thats been in high level learning since they started. Kids that have been in charter schools that run circles around public school kids. Its very important on choosing a school that fits your daughters career goals. Parents also have to have the come to Jesus moment with choosing schools on how much you want to spend. Just cause your daughter has a idea on what she wants to do at the moment. It can all change in 2, 4, 6 years. I'm having this issue with my daughter at the moment. As she wants to move back home and go to school. Most of the high tier schools require them to live on campus freshmen and sophomore years as well as no personal car for the first two years. Theres alot to choosing a school that works for you and the student.

 

[HBCraig]

I have 3 of my players at Columbia, Dartmouth and Brown. All 3 were excellent students. For example, one student had a 4.4 GPA and got a 35 on the ACT

 

[DaveH]

i would never want to see my kids actually work there ass off to get in and then be rejected.

i would simply put down American Indian for race (like elizabeth warren did) and if that doesnt work then just bribe someone like this TV stars did.

 

[rivermobster]

i would never want to see my kids actually work there ass off to get in and then be rejected.

i would simply put down American Indian for race (like elizabeth warren did) and if that doesnt work then just bribe someone like this TV stars did.

It's part of life. Failure is learning. It makes you stronger, and a better person.


"Failure is success in progress"

-Albert Einstein

 

[DaveH]

It's part of life. Failure is learning. It makes you stronger, and a better person.


"Failure is success in progress"

-Albert Einstein

im thinking you missed the sarcasm.

 

[Bobby V]

im thinking you missed the sarcasm.

RM must be a BOT.

 

[rivermobster]

im thinking you missed the sarcasm.

I caught your end comment, but I thought you were serious with the first comment?

They typed word is never the same as talking shit over drinks.

 

[clarence]

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[rivrrts429]

I have 3 of my players at Columbia, Dartmouth and Brown. All 3 were excellent students. For example, one student had a 4.4 GPA and got a 35 on the ACT

Damn, that’s awesome!!

 

[traquer]

I’ll throw a little gas on the fire

What exactly is it that some of you think a female with only a highschool education is going to have for options in today’s world?

This whole “college is the devil” mind set is amusing to say the least

100%. It's different for girls than it is boys, no doubt about it. Standard office jobs and other things you can do without a degree won't pay the bills these days. Entrepreneur or bust without a degree if you're a girl.

I hope this thread stays on the rails.

The Ivy league is worth it for the connections and networking many many times over. As we say in business, your network is your net worth. My business is 100% referral based and I've never spent a penny on advertising. But I have a friend who is in the same biz, and the difference is his network includes private equity and DC politicians. He's on a whole different level than I am and is net worth reflects that.

 

[ChumpChange]

Zip it bean counter, that’s not how we raise blood pressure around here

This is the most anti-Semitic thread that has ever been posted on RDP.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

So you’re saying I shouldn’t show the admissions committee my white privilege card? She will be checking the “mexican of the South Pacific” box, or as her mother calls it Filipino View attachment 1374086

Umm..... your daughter is not old enough to be thinking about college. Shes still that little girl in your wife's arms on the stoker. lol! (damn we are getting old)

Just make sure she renounces you as her father first and she should be gold. j/k

Tell her to get a part time job as well as get into the school's ASB. There are usually quiet a few different roles within it and it allows her to build a more one-on-one relationship with school counselors and staff increasing her education industry connections as well as learning a lot of the government bullshit that goes into every single decision made in this country (I was in the ASB and is was very eye opening to see how some things actually work).

Those are both on top of staying on the Cheer team (is she a flyer or have really good tumbling skills? I have a connection to a cheer recruiter for colleges. He's local to the IE) and increasing her GPA as high as possible. As many honors classes as she can get.

 

[CLdrinker]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

 

[Laguna]

She’s doing the IB stuff now, seems like a solid program.

My son said ot prepared him for college they taught exactly how college is. With all that and summer

She’s doing the IB stuff now, seems like a solid program.

Yeah my son said they teach IB the same way it will be in college. He said it was best decision he made in high school. With taking summer school last year and 5 classes per quarter he could graduate in June but he was accepted into honors program next year and he wants to go to Harvard or equivalent for his Masters so he feels he needs it for next applications. Your daughters undergrad really doesn't matter where she goes if she plans on being a lawyer my son is going for law as well. Small tip high school A's are diffrent then in college A's. The A+ vs a regular A is weighted diffrent for GPA my son was caught off guard his first A that didn't get 4.0 GPA.

 

[530RL]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

"embellishing" diploma's is frowned upon in corporate America.....

Here Are 3 CEOs Who Have Been Canned For Lying On Their Resumes

www.businessinsider.com

 

[Laguna]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

Guess it depends on where you apply but yes

It's pretty obvious who has kids in college, and who doesn't...

What some of "you people" think about college, is coming from what you've been fed by the media.

Because of Boy Scouts, and all the kids and dads I've kept up with over the years, I don't know Anyone that "fell into" some liberal rat hole.

They have all been Very successful with their degrees making way more money than I would have ever imagined to make at their age.

My daughter will be in college for Many more years going after the medical degree she is after, and she will be in some serious debt!

But just like everyone else we know that went into medicine, she will make enough money to pay it all off in short order.

Some of these kids, as interns, make more money than I ever made working!

There actually ARE other ways to be successful, besides social media.

Couldn't agree more raise your kid right teach them work ethic and they will be able to navigate all the BS.

 

[EmpirE231]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

I don't think they ask for it at the local drywallers union or a utility company.... but if you're applying at a highly accredited law firm, or Hoag hospital as a surgeon they might ask for it.

 

[C-Ya]

FWIW……….

My wife has been an attorney for over 30 years. Every month she receives many many many unsolicited emails from Head Hunters. Here is my point. It’s nice to have a career where the money/jobs, come looking for you. It takes a good education for this circumstance to happen.

 

[yard dog]

My dad started in community college now the Ivey league Med schools use the text book he authored.

I ask my daughter if she had used that book in her classes , she responded with a yes .She a pathologist in Las Vegas.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

Yes. Needed transcripts out of college for Public Accounting

 

[whiteworks]

FWIW……….

My wife has been an attorney for over 30 years. Every month she receives many many many unsolicited emails from Head Hunters. Here is my point. It’s nice to have a career where the money/jobs, come looking for you. It takes a good education for this circumstance to happen.

Not the world I get to operate in, but one I’m completely aware of existing. That being said not many folks I know got to ride a beach cruiser to work this morning by choice so I have no complaints

 

[rivermobster]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

Serious answer...

When my wife graduated from business school, Deloitte & Touche had a little stand, right outside of the ceremony. They already knew who she was and called her over to talk.

Just like pro athletes being recruited from college, businesses do the same thing.

A few years in, she had a corner office in DTLA, and was running their newly formed consulting division.

Just like pro athletes don't have to shop their resume/diploma around, business students don't have to either. Businesses fight over them.

Wanna know how when I worked at Longo Toyota, we always got the straight A students from the Citrus College automotive department?

Cause as shop foreman at Longo, I talked with that director of the department monthly, so I knew who was coming down the pipe to me, way before they did.

The B students were recruited by other Toyota dealerships, and the C students were told, good luck!

Networking is a Real thing.

 

[spectra3279]

Obviously you don't get caught bribing them in

 

[Flying_Lavey]

FWIW……….

My wife has been an attorney for over 30 years. Every month she receives many many many unsolicited emails from Head Hunters. Here is my point. It’s nice to have a career where the money/jobs, come looking for you. It takes a good education for this circumstance to happen.

It deosnt take a parchment to get those head hunters coming after you. I had to change my privacy settings on Linked in for that reason. I still some how get them in my personal email all the time.

 

[HBCraig]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

Not really. Mine helped as a conversation piece as I went to Auburn. The interviewers asked me about SEC football. Once you're having a conversation you're home free.

 

[HBCraig]

Serious answer...

When my wife graduated from business school, Deloitte & Touche had a little stand, right outside of the ceremony. They already knew who she was and called her over to talk.

Just like pro athletes being recruited from college, businesses do the same thing.

A few years in, she had a corner office in DTLA, and was running their newly formed consulting division.

Just like pro athletes don't have to shop their resume/diploma around, business students don't have to either. Businesses fight over them.

Wanna know how when I worked at Longo Toyota, we always got the straight A students from the Citrus College automotive department?

Cause as shop foreman at Longo, I talked with that director of the department monthly, so I knew who was coming down the pipe to me, way before they did.

The B students were recruited by other Toyota dealerships, and the C students were told, good luck!

Networking is a Real thing.

Deloitte & Touche = real deal. I did some forensic work for them in a past life

 

[rivermobster]

Deloitte & Touche = real deal. I did some forensic work for them in a past life

She would come home with some Awesome stories, that's for Damm sure!

 

[Orange Juice]

Pretty diverse group here, I’m guessing there has to be a few Ivy League types in the mix, or some who have kids attend that level of school. I’m interested in hearing some of your experiences in what it takes to make the cut.

My daughter is a bright kid, 4.0 student and starting to take weighted courses, just made varsity cheer as a sophomore and is president of her NCL class. Her aspiration is to attend Yale and end goal would be a career in criminal justice working for the feds, obviously that career could shift as she gets exposed to more options, but I figure an undergrad degree from a top school in the US isn’t a bad thing to have under your belt.

So what extra activities did you or your kids partake in to set you apart from the other qualified applicants?

Now if you’re gonna pop off about how the world needs more electricians or about student loan debt, save it. I’m cashing out her education or putting the money down on a house for her should she decide to get stupid tattoos, smoke dope, and be a barista

View attachment 1373919

Seriously…..It’s all about who you know, and how much money you have to give.

The planning started 2 generations ago. She doesn’t have much of a chance, other than the lottery route.

I’d have her look at Stanford.

 

[whiteworks]

I have 3 of my players at Columbia, Dartmouth and Brown. All 3 were excellent students. For example, one student had a 4.4 GPA and got a 35 on the ACT

Players? Those are some serious schools right there.

 

[Singleton]

@whiteworks - when you daughter said Harvard, are you sure she meant Harvard
Best shirt I have in the collection.
When my oldest attended CU@Boulder, I would wear it and if someone asked I would say “my UofA dual degree in MIS and Acct is paying for his education”

 

[mbrown2]

Serious question. Has any employer asked to see this prestigious diploma?

They don't have to ask; their resume filtering program does the work. Normally IVY grads are not applying for jobs (maybe their first) but they are recruited for jobs... this is a key difference then the majority of non prestigious school grads... Yes, any overcheiver can write their future, but starting out with a good degree puts you in a different echelon of networking. Even if you did not come from old money, you are now in a network of people with old money, generational wealth. Those sorts of network connections are hard to put a value on. Would I want my kid to have a shot at building him/herself in that network, absolutely... Is it possible to rise to the C level in a publicly traded company without a prestigious degree absolutely...

 

[whiteworks]

@whiteworks - when you daughter said Harvard, are you sure she meant Harvard
Best shirt I have in the collection.
When my oldest attended CU@Boulder, I would wear it and if someone asked I would say “my UofA dual degree in MIS and Acct” is paying for his education

That’s funny, we have a local JC out here called Chaffey college. “Harvard on the hill” or UCLH university of cucamonga left on haven. Haven is the street it’s located on.

Personally I think JC’s are great and the majority of kids would be well served to attend one before transferring somewhere to finish undergrad. I still take courses at our local JC sometimes for personal enrichment. The last course was a personal finance course and to be honest it should be the first class every college student takes. It was a broad brush that covered everything a person will encounter in there lifetime that has to do with personal finances. Some things as simple as establishing credit, purchasing a home, what boxes to check for work benefits, retirement stuff, estate planning and everything in between. For the final we had to file a mock personal tax return. It cost a couple hundred bucks to take maybe, but I’ll tell you this much, I learned quite a bit and have applied that information for free now

I wasn’t receptive to being a good student when I was a kid, my folks tried but I was a dickhead then also

“Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried”

 

[whiteworks]

They don't have to ask; their resume filtering program does the work. Normally IVY grads are not applying for jobs (maybe their first) but they are recruited for jobs... this is a key difference then the majority of non prestigious school grads... Yes, any overcheiver can write their future, but starting out with a good degree puts you in a different echelon of networking. Even if you did not come from old money, you are now in a network of people with old money, generational wealth. Those sorts of network connections are hard to put a value on. Would I want my kid to have a shot at building him/herself in that network, absolutely... Is it possible to rise to the C level in a publicly traded company without a prestigious degree absolutely...

Some real wisdom in what you wrote here. America is a country where anyone can rise to the highest levels and one essential tool to make that happen is education. You can be born into the lowest level of our society and through education make a hell of a life for yourself and raise your social class and quality of life for your family and future generations.

I find myself in a unique position with a kid that’s really sharp and enjoys school, as well as the ability to set her up with access to the best our country has to offer education wise, should she make the cut.

The Yale thing has been on her radar for a year or two now, we’re gonna make a trip back east and tour the campus pretty soon so she can see if the vision in her mind lives up to the reality of campus life there. Last year while in New York we toured both NYU and Colombia. She was digging on city life and thought Columbia was pretty cool as it’s a city within a city with 60,000 students. NYU was totally different, the campus is spread out around the area of Manhattan where it’s located with no real central campus type vibe. Night and day campus life experiences for sure. Point being is that it’s about exposure and options, I’m looking forward to seeing what she chooses to do with her self.

 

[Bobby V]

That’s funny, we have a local JC out here called Chaffey college. “Harvard on the hill” or UCLH university of cucamonga left on haven. Haven is the street it’s located on.

Personally I think JC’s are great and the majority of kids would be well served to attend one before transferring somewhere to finish undergrad. I still take courses at our local JC sometimes for personal enrichment. The last course was a personal finance course and to be honest it should be the first class every college student takes. It was a broad brush that covered everything a person will encounter in there lifetime that has to do with personal finances. Some things as simple as establishing credit, purchasing a home, what boxes to check for work benefits, retirement stuff, estate planning and everything in between. For the final we had to file a mock personal tax return. It cost a couple hundred bucks to take maybe, but I’ll tell you this much, I learned quite a bit and have applied that information for free now

I wasn’t receptive to being a good student when I was a kid, my folks tried but I was a dickhead then also

“Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading, I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried”

We had UCLA. University of Cerritos Left on Alondra for Cerritos JC.

 

[bbrownster]

Excellent argument. No single answer.

I think you have to use college to get to where you want to be. Use the classes you need, but ignore the shit pushed on you. Not easy. Not going into college with the intent of figuring it out, but having a set plan going in. Take what you need and leave the rest attitude. The schools want your money and the banks want you're debt. They don't give a shit what classes you take or what dumbass major you think you'll survive on. It's predatory. Gotta ge a lion in a field of sheep.

I see a lot of women going into welding, truck driving and equipment operators. Not for many or even most, but watching 100# 21 year old running a skidder on the side of a mountain smiling ear to ear making $40+ an hour is a sight to see.

Most Universities are measured on how many graduate in four years versus 5 or more years (just read the metrics Regents rely upon, doesn't matter which state). Some programs, such as Engineering and Architecture can be 5 year programs. Regardless, once you are in, there will be a strong push to get you out in four years whether you learn anything or not. The biggest impact to society has been the constant high school chatter of "you will not amount to anything unless you attend school", making a Bachelor's degree the same value as a high school diploma 30 years ago. I was listening to an ASU provost talk about creating a program for the semi-conductor industry. He said most college students have zero vocational skills or aptitude, making the development of a program a challenge. He lamented that shop programs in high school should come back and that maybe college isn't for everyone...go figure. Most people on this forum have developed vocational skills and college degrees, etc. Without a level of vocational skills, boating, camping, desert riding would be much more challenging. Last of a dying breed...

 

[Hammer]

I’ll throw a little gas on the fire

What exactly is it that some of you think a female with only a highschool education is going to have for options in today’s world?

This whole “college is the devil” mind set is amusing to say the least

There’s always flight simulation instructor?

 

[mbrown2]

I was listening to an ASU provost talk about creating a program for the semi-conductor industry. He said most college students have zero vocational skills or aptitude, making the development of a program a challenge.

Interesting he said that as some of the largest chip fab plants are going in his backyard. He would have to have blinders on to not be thinking how does he send qualified talent to further grow the chip industry in the east valley and via that alumni network create a partnership with intel, nvidia, and others to even further grow his university via donations. Further, the university has the potentional to be a cog in the future proof chip making machine similar to Duke/UNC/NC State at reseach triangle park, or Stanford in Silicon valley.

 

[whiteworks]

There’s always flight simulation instructor?

I offer no flight instruction, I’m just the janitor

 

[86403]

I offer no flight instruction, I’m just the janitor

Cool setup

 

[whiteworks]

Most Universities are measured on how many graduate in four years versus 5 or more years (just read the metrics Regents rely upon, doesn't matter which state). Some programs, such as Engineering and Architecture can be 5 year programs. Regardless, once you are in, there will be a strong push to get you out in four years whether you learn anything or not. The biggest impact to society has been the constant high school chatter of "you will not amount to anything unless you attend school", making a Bachelor's degree the same value as a high school diploma 30 years ago. I was listening to an ASU provost talk about creating a program for the semi-conductor industry. He said most college students have zero vocational skills or aptitude, making the development of a program a challenge. He lamented that shop programs in high school should come back and that maybe college isn't for everyone...go figure. Most people on this forum have developed vocational skills and college degrees, etc. Without a level of vocational skills, boating, camping, desert riding would be much more challenging. Last of a dying breed...

I’m getting quite a bit of exposure to this generations lack of mechanical aptitude with my aviation training facility. Some of these kids walking in the door have obviously never had there fingers caught in the spokes of their bicycles when they were kids and it shows. Honestly I think that the required preflight checks on the little trainer planes may be there first hands on exposure to a mechanical thing that they need to fully understand, it’s a big lift for some of them.

I can see where this guy is coming from stating that it’s hard to develop a functional program around those without some developed mechanical aptitude.

 

[OCMerrill]

My daughter Graduated from Cal St Fullerton and my son transfers into UCI to finish his physics degree next year.

Based on this thread I should build a basement so they have a place to live until we die. Then they can move upstairs.


By the way they can both back a boat trailer better than most. I taught them what's important in life...Boats.

 

[f12517]

My daughter Graduated from Cal St Fullerton and my son transfers into UCI to finish his physics degree next year.

Based on this thread I should build a basement so they have a place to live until we die. Then they can move upstairs.


By the way they can both back a boat trailer better than most. I taught them what's important in life...Boats.

Fellow Titan grad here (we don't need to mention the year) My daughter and her husband (both Baylor class of 23 grads) were taught the most important marital skillz by me. He backs the trailer, she drives the boat. This program has been in play since their college dating days....I predict a long, happy marriage with many days on the water in their future.

 

[rivermobster]

My daughter Graduated from Cal St Fullerton and my son transfers into UCI to finish his physics degree next year.

Based on this thread I should build a basement so they have a place to live until we die. Then they can move upstairs.


By the way they can both back a boat trailer better than most. I taught them what's important in life...Boats.

And Harley's.