I've Got A Pit Bull Problem...

[was thatguy]

You guys do realize this thread is 5 years old…right?

 

[DUN]

@941Punk What ever came of this?

 

[Wicky]

You guys do realize this thread is 5 years old…right?

Yes, and Mr Wilson still hasn't killed any small children.

 

[was thatguy]

I have had dogs my entire life. Never had one turn on me. Not trusting your dog with your kids is crazy to me. From 2005 - 2016 392 Americans were killed in dog attacks which works out to roughly 35 a year. 254 of those or 22 a year were pitbulls. There are 78 million dogs in this country. Even if you multiply the attacks by the average life span of what 10 years? The odds work out to .005% that your dog will kill you or someone you love. Remove the pitbull from the mix and now your talking about 138 in a 11 year period or 12 a year. I would trust my dog with my kids way more than I would trust my kids with my neighbors.

To the original point of the thread I would definitely work with your neighbor to secure the fence and be reasonable. It's a dog it got out help him fix it so that you know that your yard is secure for your own dog. Unless my dog is attacking them somebody takes a shot at my dog they are gonna get the shit beat out of them. Then they are going to have to tell my crying kids why they thought it was ok to kill their dog. Then they are gonna go with me down to the breeder and stroke a check to replace the stupid dog that my wife had to have and I spent thousands of dollars on.

Since we are going to continue this;

Using your numbers above, 62% of all humans killed by dogs are from pit bull attacks. That’s what the judge will hear (and already know anyway because you will not be the first person in front of the judge defending their dog over a human)
If your dog is a pit bull it does not matter at all the specifics of the situation. It is in the top tier of what insurance companies call “dangerous breeds” and is a personal and financial liability according to all insurance carriers.
That is not my rules or my opinions, it’s the stats used by the entities that pay out claims.
Regardless of the breed, your actions above will not go the way you think.
No one will buy you a new dog, you will be prosecuted for various assault charges, and it will all stem from your violation of leash laws and various dog control laws. Especially if it was not an initial incident.

What I think and what you think does not really matter.

 

[was thatguy]

Yes, and Mr Wilson still hasn't killed any small children.

 

[rivermobster]

Your dog is upside down.

He lives in a zero gravity house.

 

[MPHSystems]

Pit bulls are the AR15 of dogs.

 

[Vamodsquad]

You guys do realize this thread is 5 years old…right?

It doesn't matter. It still applies today.

Had some trailer park trash neighbors that refused to keep their dogs secured. We had numerous conversations about it.
In one ear, and out the other. I finally had enough one night. I shot the neighbors dog. A couple weeks later they fenced in the backyard.
Life is good. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

 

[pixrthis]

We have neighbor who’s pit bulls attacked a couple walking (trespassing) on their ranch and got sued and lost for $1,200,000. They were insured for a mill but the guy wouldn’t settle without something coming out of pocket. It took another $25,000 to save the dog.
My home owners won’t cover me with a pit bull and a couple other breeds.

 

[was thatguy]

It doesn't matter. It still applies today.

Had some trailer park trash neighbors that refused to keep their dogs secured. We had numerous conversations about it.
In one ear, and out the other. I finally had enough one night. I shot the neighbors dog. A couple weeks later they fenced in the backyard.
Life is good. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

I’m admittedly biased.
In 92 my friends 9 month old grandson was killed by his sons pit bull.
Bruiser was 60 pounds or so, 7 years old.
Had never showed any signs of trouble.
Mom picked the kid up and bruiser latched on for no apparent reason.
Then he bit the mom. She got him locked in a bathroom and called 911.
My friends son rushed home and immediately turned the dog over to be destroyed. Kid was dead. I got there with my friend right after the cops.
In Alaska back then more people got killed by huskies and domestic wolves than by pit bulls or any other breed.
There was simply more huskies than bull dogs.
So varying sources give varying numbers.
But here is a list of 258 kids killed by pit bulls since 1980.

U.S. Children Killed by Pit Bulls - Fatal Pit Bull Attacks - The Archival Record - DogsBite.org

The number of U.S. children killed by pit bulls since 1980 by DogsBite.org - Fatal Pit Bull Attacks - The Archival Record

www.fatalpitbullattacks.com

It’s not a huge number, but not one family on that list thought it would happen.
My buddies grandkid is on the list.
Before that day I also had a couple different pit bulls. Had a chow, and a hybrid wolf as well at various times. I figured I got lucky none ever bit the kids or any strangers.
I too had pictures of my dogs and my babies.
Be it a pit, or any other breed, you are risking your kid with an animal. 99.99999% chance nothing will ever happen.
BUT…it does happen.

Pit bulls accounted for 4 times the number of human deaths from 2010 to 2020 than the second place breed, pitbull mix, with Rotties coming in a far distant third place.
This is according to a law firm…which is who a pit bull owner will be arguing against in court…which they will lose.

Denver Dog Bite Lawyer

If you have been injured by a dog bite, call Fuicelli & Lee to speak with a Denver dog bite attorney.

www.coloradoinjurylaw.com

I am NOT arguing against pit bulls.
I’m not the one people will be facing in court or the one who will be reconciling a dog tragedy.
I’m saying it’s extremely naive to believe it can’t happen because it does happen. About every 9 days in the USA and Canada, with over half involving kids, and 68% to 80% involving pits.
Those are the numbers. And they are insurmountable numbers to overcome when you are being sued, or denied an insurance claim after the civil judgment.

 

[wzuber]

Your dog is upside down.

This website is fuuuukedupp...
But he has a good grip...
And it's not even with his teeth....haha

 

[wzuber]

It doesn't matter. It still applies today.

Had some trailer park trash neighbors that refused to keep their dogs secured. We had numerous conversations about it.
In one ear, and out the other. I finally had enough one night. I shot the neighbors dog. A couple weeks later they fenced in the backyard.
Life is good. Don't mistake my kindness for weakness.

That's not fair.......to the dog..
You should have shot the fukin neighbor....

 

[was thatguy]

Pit bulls are the AR15 of dogs.

Kind of.
Except you can’t unload a dog.

 

[was thatguy]

We have neighbor who’s pit bulls attacked a couple walking (trespassing) on their ranch and got sued and lost for $1,200,000. They were insured for a mill but the guy wouldn’t settle without something coming out of pocket. It took another $25,000 to save the dog.
My home owners won’t cover me with a pit bull and a couple other breeds.

That’s pretty much true across the board with insurance.
They go by stats and costs.
Dangerous breeds cost a lot in liability.
Dog owners are emotionally attached to their baby. They still call them pups even when they are 150lbs. They take them in the grocery store where I buy my food. They take them in restaurants where I pay to eat. They think everyone loves their dog the way they do.

Insurance companies and courtrooms and lawyers do not share those emotions. You will lose every single time in court and insurance when it comes to a dangerous breed dog. No matter the details no matter the situation.
And pit bulls lead the way by a big margin.

 

[was thatguy]

That's not fair.......to the dog..
You should have shot the fukin neighbor....

And hung their parents.
The RDP mob always hangs the parents.

 

[Vamodsquad]

That's not fair.......to the dog..
You should have shot the fukin neighbor....

Fair is where you ride rides and eat cotton candy.

 

[Wicky]

That’s pretty much true across the board with insurance.
They go by stats and costs.
Dangerous breeds cost a lot in liability.
Dog owners are emotionally attached to their baby. They still call them pups even when they are 150lbs. They take them in the grocery store where I buy my food. They take them in restaurants where I pay to eat. They think everyone loves their dog the way they do.

Insurance companies and courtrooms and lawyers do not share those emotions. You will lose every single time in court and insurance when it comes to a dangerous breed dog. No matter the details no matter the situation.
And pit bulls lead the way by a big margin.

I have had dogs my entire life. Never had one turn on me. Not trusting your dog with your kids is crazy to me. From 2005 - 2016 392 Americans were killed in dog attacks which works out to roughly 35 a year. 254 of those or 22 a year were pitbulls. There are 78 million dogs in this country. Even if you multiply the attacks by the average life span of what 10 years? The odds work out to .005% that your dog will kill you or someone you love. Remove the pitbull from the mix and now your talking about 138 in a 11 year period or 12 a year. I would trust my dog with my kids way more than I would trust my kids with my neighbors.

To the original point of the thread I would definitely work with your neighbor to secure the fence and be reasonable. It's a dog it got out help him fix it so that you know that your yard is secure for your own dog. Unless my dog is attacking them somebody takes a shot at my dog they are gonna get the shit beat out of them. Then they are going to have to tell my crying kids why they thought it was ok to kill their dog. Then they are gonna go with me down to the breeder and stroke a check to replace the stupid dog that my wife had to have and I spent thousands of dollars on.

Thank you for doing the research. I was just getting ready to 10 key the same probability.

 

[h2o225]

If it still wants to visit and gives you problems. Don't shoot it. A meatball with sleeping pills inside work great.

 

[was thatguy]

Thank you for doing the research. I was just getting ready to 10 key the same probability.

I’d like to reiterate that I do not hate pit bulls.
I used to have them when I was younger.
But I decided that they were a risk and liability that I was unwilling to continue to assume for no good reason.
Anyone in this country is more than welcome to assume those risks and liability if they choose to…at least in most places still though some communities do not allow dangerous breeds.
If the odds are acceptable then more power to you!

 

[lavey jr]

I’m not defending anyone in this thread and I’m not picking any sides. And people who’ve lost someone from a dog attack is very unfortunate.

But one fact of the matter on the whole pit bull statistic is that if you really dissect the information and break it down, pending which graph you look at, if it’s a graph with the top dog being “pit bull” which it always is, that is 9x out of 10 categorizing three different breeds into one category; Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier. All three different breeds but they all look very similar so everyone classifies them immediately as a pit bull so of course the top statistic is going to be far inflated compared to the rest because it’s not just one breed they’re actually talking about.

I’ve always thought it’s funny how people talk about the statistics deadly dog list but yet they most likely have a golden retriever or lab and they’re both on that list as well

 

[Wicky]

I’m not defending anyone in this thread and I’m not picking any sides. And people who’ve lost someone from a dog attack is very unfortunate.

But one fact of the matter on the whole pit bull statistic is that if you really dissect the information and break it down, pending which graph you look at, if it’s a graph with the top dog being “pit bull” which it always is, that is 9x out of 10 categorizing three different breeds into one category; Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier. All three different breeds but they all look very similar so everyone classifies them immediately as a pit bull so of course the top statistic is going to be far inflated compared to the rest because it’s not just one breed they’re actually talking about.

I’ve always thought it’s funny how people talk about the statistics deadly dog list but yet they most likely have a golden retriever or lab and they’re both on that list as well

I was looking for that wall poster where the media identifies the dog as a pitbull incorrectly, a large number of times. A Pitbull is actually a mix and not a pure breed. That said, I better say Mr Wilson is an American Staffordshire and not a real pitbull. lol

 

[was thatguy]

I’m not defending anyone in this thread and I’m not picking any sides. And people who’ve lost someone from a dog attack is very unfortunate.

But one fact of the matter on the whole pit bull statistic is that if you really dissect the information and break it down, pending which graph you look at, if it’s a graph with the top dog being “pit bull” which it always is, that is 9x out of 10 categorizing three different breeds into one category; Pit Bull Terrier, Staffordshire Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier. All three different breeds but they all look very similar so everyone classifies them immediately as a pit bull so of course the top statistic is going to be far I flared compared to the rest because it’s not just one breed they’re actually talking about.

I’ve always thought it’s funny how people talk about the statistics deadly dog list but yet they most likely have a golden retriever or lab and they’re both on that list as well

True.
But it won’t matter in court.
What people think and talk about are not the same things as what lawyers and judges talk about.

And labs killing kids isn’t even a blip on the legal radar.
Many a defendant has tried to dilute breed impact with the whole lab and poodle stats.
It doesn’t work.
It’s insurmountable no matter what the emotional argument might be.

That’s when I decided it wasn’t worth it and I went out and got a black lab. (Worst puppy ever)

 

[CoolCruzin]

Don’t tell anyone
Get the dog
Dead or alive (better dead )shooting make too mush noise and take it for a long drive .

 

[was thatguy]

I was looking for that wall poster where the media identifies the dog as a pitbull incorrectly, a large number of times. A Pitbull is actually a mix and not a pure breed. That said, I better say Mr Wilson is an American Staffordshire and not a real pitbull. lol

Do they have a home owners insurance carriers chart?

Insurance carriers really decide what’s included. (Just like they decide what color cars get more tickets)
As you point out, pit bull is, arguably, not an actual breed.
So you just confirmed their position that it INCLUDES whatever breed they say looks like a pit bull. Same thing a law firm will (and does) say in court when they have you in the box facing a million dollar liability suit.

On a side note. CA and TX lead the way in Pit bull deaths and litigation.
There isn’t an argument in the world that has not been attempted by dog (pit) owners being sued or trying to win an insurance claim to avoid personal liability.
The odds of winning a pit bull owner case are slimmer than the odds of your dog killing your kid.

The State considered grand jurying my buddies kid on child endangerment strictly for having a pit in the house. They never actually brought those charges to my knowledge. The family was destroyed obviously. My buddy used to lecture the son to get rid of that dog, the son made every argument that I read in this thread.
Even compared the husky and wolf numbers.


All I’m saying is do not minimize the reality.

 

[Nordie]

The MO is yes I have a pit and it's the sweetest dog ever. When it comes to insurance purposes it always comes down to some type of terrier, just so they're insured in hopes the dog never bites anybody.

 

[TCHB]

I would not let any dog next too my infant. The breed has nothing too do with it.

I agree or my grand children. I love dogs but not going to take a chance. 3 friends in Havasu have been attacked by pit bulls running out open gates.

 

[Badchoices03]

My aunt was a dog handler/trainer and also a ER Vet tech....she has always said that cocker spaniels and labs are the most "bitey" dog breeds and that there are probably more stitches in hands and legs from those two breeds alone...only difference, is the pitbull isnt designed to bite and let go, so although there might be less "bite" cases from pitbulls a bite from them usually turns into a mauling and possible death...

 

[941Punk]

@941Punk What ever came of this?

I bought a different house and moved! Someone else's problem now
(Not because of the dog)

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Since we are going to continue this;

Using your numbers above, 62% of all humans killed by dogs are from pit bull attacks. That’s what the judge will hear (and already know anyway because you will not be the first person in front of the judge defending their dog over a human)
If your dog is a pit bull it does not matter at all the specifics of the situation. It is in the top tier of what insurance companies call “dangerous breeds” and is a personal and financial liability according to all insurance carriers.
That is not my rules or my opinions, it’s the stats used by the entities that pay out claims.
Regardless of the breed, your actions above will not go the way you think.
No one will buy you a new dog, you will be prosecuted for various assault charges, and it will all stem from your violation of leash laws and various dog control laws. Especially if it was not an initial incident.

What I think and what you think does not really matter.

Outside of the stats the reality and the shit that goes through my head are usually at odds.

 

[was thatguy]

Outside of the stats the reality and the shit that goes through my head are usually at odds.

No worries, you’ve seen my bs for years!

 

[Morehart]

I’d like to reiterate that I do not hate pit bulls.
I used to have them when I was younger.
But I decided that they were a risk and liability that I was unwilling to continue to assume for no good reason.
Anyone in this country is more than welcome to assume those risks and liability if they choose to…at least in most places still though some communities do not allow dangerous breeds.
If the odds are acceptable then more power

 

[Morehart]

It all makes since now. I'm sorry to hear a 9 month old was killed. Absolutely terrible. I always had that uneasy feeling with Mr. Bradley. ( my pit) I revisited this thread because sadly, were going to have to put him down. Very aggressive cancer in his mouth. He has never bitten any dog or person. He was the best hunting dog coyotes, squirrels, and could tree a bear in a second. I took a risk on this guy, and I'm broken to lose him.

 

[Morehart]

Even harder to explain it to my daughter. Bradley sleeps at the foot of her bed every night

 

[Morehart]

I'm superman in this picture and probably 3 years old. Pincher was a great red nose pit. He slept at the foot of my bed every night
Funny story though
He would protect us with everything he had!!!
Picture was taken on Halloween.
The neighbor came over in a full gorilla costume and pincher ruined his suit rental. Neighbor was OK, but pincher destroyed the gorilla mask once it came off

 

[Morehart]

The neighbor was also grunting like a gorilla and chasing me and my sister. When my mom opened the door, there was no off button on pincher till he realized who the gorilla actually was.pincher laid down and consumed the hair and rubber mask

 

[was thatguy]

The neighbor was also grunting like a gorilla and chasing me and my sister. When my mom opened the door, there was no off button on pincher till he realized who the gorilla actually was.pincher laid down and consumed the hair and rubber mask

I had an old girlfriend that owned a huge Rottie.
Excellent dog and it knew me well.
When we would rough house or play wrestle the dog would not like that.
She never bit me, but would shove me away with her body. She was well over 100 pounds and had no trouble getting between us and controlling me.
The girlfriend would howl with laughter as that big Rot would take over and just push me away.
No barking or excitement, just brut mass bulldozing me.

 

[Morehart]

I used to work in residential hvac service. I've been bitten 2 times both by chocolate labs . My wife has only been bitten once ironically also a chocolate lab. Dogs thought they were doing there job. One call I arrived at an old p.i.t.a customers house. My repair was outside at the condenser. She told me to come in through the kitchen door when the repair was completed for payment. She never told me she just purchased a big German shepherd. I called out to her in this big house and all I heard was thunder coming down the stairs and sure as shit, there this big bastard was. I pissed my self while covering my junk . She thought it was hilarious. I never went back there. I was light scared as you can be in that moment. For sure I thought is was going to get mauled. Dog did his job I guess, but fuck that bitch

 

[Morehart]

I much rather take a bite from a lab while climbing up a ladder than this wolf like gs

 

[Dog]

Ugh!