It's hot in So Cal today and this wknd...but why haven't I received a Flex Alert about it?

[El Rojo]

Edison used to email alerts to conserve energy on particular hotter than normal stretches of hot weather...I haven't seen one in awhile...did something change? There was an inmate here that used to post the usage and capacity of the grid...I'm wondering if it's because of the backlash of charging electric vehicles and the hypocrisy behind it...someone enlighten me...

 

[Member: 71]

Election time…..

 

[Elgato]

Didn’t SCE raise the rates recently ? Funny how that works

 

[NicPaus]

20 degrees hotter now than 2 days ago this time. Last night first time this year needed AC.

 

[Tank]

It’s our summer!! Best time of year in so cal.

End of Aug through November.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Maybe SCE is making improvements in the power generation?

They have certainly been on a massive spree of pole replacements and running the rubber coated wire absolutely everywhere.

Made a huge difference in the San Bernardino mountains so far.

 

[TimeBandit]

At 60 cents per kilowatt hour peak Edison says turn your AC to 68° for best efficiency

 

[ChumpChange]

They flexed Palos Verde to save the rest of us.

 

[DLC]

The weather is way too nice to be aware of electricity ….

Move along nothing to see….

 

[oldman]

At 60 cents per kilowatt hour peak Edison says turn your AC to 68° for best efficiency

Where are you getting 60 cents?

 

[TimeBandit]

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Where are you getting 60 cents?

 

[Mandelon]

I saw a tiny mention of it on the local news that the grid master could issue alerts. But never heard one happen.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I saw a tiny mention of it on the local news that the grid master could issue alerts. But never heard one happen.

That would be CISO I believe. They have statewide control and monitoring afaik.

 

[Radioactive]

Today's Outlook | Demand | California ISO

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[LazyLavey]

Asking the same question yesterday.... no typical brown out warnings...

but later in the day I did get a SDP notice..... a/c are getting shut down from 7-8....

 

[oldman]

At 60 cents per kilowatt hour peak Edison says turn your AC to 68° for best efficiency

We did the comparison between TOU and Tiers, for our window of use, the tiers worked out cheaper. Mostly because we weren't willing to adjust our usage to fit the cheaper rates.

But YMMV.

 

[hallett21]

They’ve shifted the numbers lol. It’s pretty sad but I guess politics run the world.

We have a member here that has always posted CA electricity usage. Especially at this time of year. CAL ISO is the best option to view usage vs generation etc.

Either we started generating enough power (and we figured out how to efficiently store it) or we didn’t.

And maybe we figured it all out??? Which would be something to really brag about.

I doubt we did it.

 

[NicPaus]

My 909 Buddy called last night. Crying about his electric bill. He has barely been running the ac and it was $800 last month. Was 109 at his house in Ontario yesterday. I tried getting solar setup for him through our resident solar guy but he wouldn't do his area. My Electric bill was $45 last month in comparison.

 

[hallett21]

My 909 Buddy called last night. Crying about his electric bill. He has barely been running the ac and it was $800 last month. Was 109 at his house in Ontario yesterday. I tried getting solar setup for him through our resident solar guy but he wouldn't do his area. My Electric bill was $45 last month in comparison.

My shop minimum is $38 lol

 

[ltbaney1]

Asking the same question yesterday.... no typical brown out warnings...

but later in the day I did get a SDP notice..... a/c are getting shut down from 7-8....

how are they shutting down your AC?

 

[hallett21]

how are they shutting down your AC?

You can sign up for that to save some money. Obviously there’s easy ways around it.

 

[EmpirE231]

since they got their rate hikes... the emergency is over.......for now

 

[ChumpChange]

Home Depot is not a fun place to be in this heat. Swamp coolers just make it a mess. My eyebrows were sweating.

 

[lbhsbz]

They’ve shifted the numbers lol. It’s pretty sad but I guess politics run the world.

We have a member here that has always posted CA electricity usage. Especially at this time of year. CAL ISO is the best option to view usage vs generation etc.

Either we started generating enough power (and we figured out how to efficiently store it) or we didn’t.

And maybe we figured it all out??? Which would be something to really brag about.

I doubt we did it.

Today's Outlook | Demand | California ISO

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Looks like about 65% percent of capacity right now

 

[hallett21]

Today's Outlook | Demand | California ISO

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Looks like about 65% percent of capacity right now

So last year we were living on the redline. This year we’re ok. Somebody has to admit something.

Unless CA has absolutely picked up the slack.

 

[hallett21]

@TCHB used to post these threads. Looks like he has not posted in a year. I hope he’s ok.

 

[lbhsbz]

So last year we were living on the redline. This year we’re ok. Somebody has to admit something.

Unless CA has absolutely picked up the slack.

Today's Outlook | Supply | California ISO

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Solar is covering about 40% of things it looks like

 

[crzy2bealive]

Today's Outlook | Demand | California ISO

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Looks like about 65% percent of capacity right now

That’s a cool website

 

[hallett21]

Today's Outlook | Supply | California ISO

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Solar is covering about 40% of things it looks like

If that’s the case then praise Jesus the solar miracle has worked.

So they’re either lying about the generation or they’re lying about the usage. If they’re not then great we can just move on.

 

[lbhsbz]

If that’s the case then praise Jesus the solar miracle has worked.

So they’re either lying about the generation or they’re lying about the usage. If they’re not then great we can just move on.

There was never any argument about whether or not it works...the argument was whether or not it was cost effective.

 

[hallett21]

There was never any argument about whether or not it works...the argument was whether or not it was cost effective.

Can you generate power for less than the utility provides? You cannot achieve that.

So then we circle back to solar being an “offset” but it doesn’t actually “save” money.

Some of these systems are costing 50k+.

 

[clark]

They’ve shifted the numbers lol. It’s pretty sad but I guess politics run the world.

We have a member here that has always posted CA electricity usage. Especially at this time of year. CAL ISO is the best option to view usage vs generation etc.

Either we started generating enough power (and we figured out how to efficiently store it) or we didn’t.

And maybe we figured it all out??? Which would be something to really brag about.

I doubt we did it.

It's all political BULLSHIT, comand and control, not pushing the EV market right now,BUT DON'T WORRY IT'S ALL UNDER CONTROL The state just allowed the native indian tribes along the Kalamith river to tear down 4 hydro electric generating dams to allow the salmon to swim up river

 

[hallett21]

It's all political BULLSHIT, comand and control, not pushing the EV market right now,BUT DON'T WORRY IT'S ALL UNDER CONTROL

So something about this page……


They used to show how close they were to maxing out the grid. And it used to get very close. If you want to do the math it becomes very apparent.

But it appears that CA either generates enough power or that CA has reduced their demand.

I’ll bet you that no one wants to jump on this grenade……

 

[lbhsbz]

Can you generate power for less than the utility provides? You cannot achieve that.

So then we circle back to solar being an “offset” but it doesn’t actually “save” money.

Some of these systems are costing 50k+.

Well, out of curiousity I just ran some numbers.

The Harbor Freight 9500 watt generator claims it'll run 6 hours at full load on 6 gallons of fuel.

9.5 kW for 6hrs is 57kWh at a cost of $30 (for gas @ $5/ gallon). That's $0.52/kWh. I'm sure there are more efficient units out there that would get that cost down significantly.

I might look into this at some point

 

[Taboma]

Well, out of curiousity I just ran some numbers.

The Harbor Freight 9500 watt generator claims it'll run 6 hours at full load on 6 gallons of fuel.

9.5 kW for 6hrs out 57kWh at a cost of $30 (for gas @ $5/ gallon). That's $0.52/kWh. I'm sure there are more efficient units out there that would get that cost down significantly.

I might look into this at some point

1 GPH @ what wattage ? Most quote hours and consumption based on less than 50% capacity.

 

[hallett21]

Well, out of curiousity I just ran some numbers.

The Harbor Freight 9500 watt generator claims it'll run 6 hours at full load on 6 gallons of fuel.

9.5 kW for 6hrs is 57kWh at a cost of $30 (for gas @ $5/ gallon). That's $0.52/kWh. I'm sure there are more efficient units out there that would get that cost down significantly.

I might look into this at some point

So roughly you’re running full throttle. June through September.

You’d probably pay 10x what the utility charges you if you actually did a gasoline generator tie in.

 

[lbhsbz]

1 GPH @ what wattage ? Most quote hours and consumption based on less than 50% capacity.

That was a full load call out, not sure the accuracy...I'll look around

 

[lbhsbz]

So roughly you’re running full throttle. June through September.

You’d probably pay 10x what the utility charges you if you actually did a gasoline generator tie in.

no, the A/C cycles, I just pulled up my usage for the last few days and my absolute peak was a 8kW load, from 7-8PM last night. Rest of the day was 3-7kW, depending on the hour.

 

[HB2Havasu]

Election time…..

^^^ THIS ^^^

 

[lbhsbz]

Here's a Kohler Propane/NG unit.

At 75% load, it claims 69 cu.ft/hr. At $3.45/gallon (one gallon of propane is about 36 cu.ft), that's almost $0.88/kWh. Clearly, the spec I found on the harbor freight generator was wrong.

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/manuals/kohler-07e2df2741f55055434e3dae4b4da2ad.pdf

Maybe we should run air conditioners off of Sterling engines...

 

[brianwhiteboy]

We’re pumping out 600 megawatts at my plant right now but LADWP is putting out over 6200 combined megawatts.

It’s a “no touch” maintenance day so we just sit back and wait for something to break.

 

[hallett21]

no, the A/C cycles, I just pulled up my usage for the last few days and my absolute peak was a 8kW load, from 7-8PM last night. Rest of the day was 3-7kW, depending on the hour.

So to ballpark it @BasilHayden can beat me up if I’m wrong.

Panels costs can run you, installed a $1,000 per every 400w. That’s upfront cost. Thank god we did your main panel ahead of time, because it’s not getting any cheaper. Todays cost is close to 5k for a swap.

It just doesn’t pencil unless the state or fed is kicking in money. My own system would cost 8kish and retail for 25

 

[oldman]

Well, out of curiousity I just ran some numbers.

The Harbor Freight 9500 watt generator claims it'll run 6 hours at full load on 6 gallons of fuel.

9.5 kW for 6hrs is 57kWh at a cost of $30 (for gas @ $5/ gallon). That's $0.52/kWh. I'm sure there are more efficient units out there that would get that cost down significantly.

I might look into this at some point

What size AC? betting that 9.5kW won't start your AC unit even though it's within spec. Depending on the AC unit it could be near 200 amps. running amps and LRA are two very different things.

 

[El Rojo]

Well, out of curiousity I just ran some numbers.

The Harbor Freight 9500 watt generator claims it'll run 6 hours at full load on 6 gallons of fuel.

9.5 kW for 6hrs is 57kWh at a cost of $30 (for gas @ $5/ gallon). That's $0.52/kWh. I'm sure there are more efficient units out there that would get that cost down significantly.

I might look into this at some point

Here's a Kohler Propane/NG unit.

At 75% load, it claims 69 cu.ft/hr. At $3.45/gallon (one gallon of propane is about 36 cu.ft), that's almost $0.88/kWh. Clearly, the spec I found on the harbor freight generator was wrong.

https://www.electricgeneratorsdirect.com/manuals/kohler-07e2df2741f55055434e3dae4b4da2ad.pdf

Maybe we should run air conditioners off of Sterling engines...

Plus the cost of the generators…

 

[77charger]

Can you generate power for less than the utility provides? You cannot achieve that.

So then we circle back to solar being an “offset” but it doesn’t actually “save” money.

Some of these systems are costing 50k+.

That’s how I see it too. It saves on one side but your paying the difference on the other side. Then once paid off parts fail and system is outdated.

Our peak bill in az is about 500 at most normally 430-450 in peak summer mid 100 in winter.

Once I re do the ducting it will drop a lot as right now it’s lousy from shitty work from previous owners. I’m not an ac pro and can tell you it’s bad and do a better job. Rip it all out redo with r8 and open the return from 16 to 20 inch.it’s a 5 ton unit.

 

[Taboma]

That was a full load call out, not sure the accuracy...I'll look around

Here's what I can find on it ---- Max running load is 7600 watts, Tank Capacity is 6.8 gallons and according to HF it will run for 18.5 hours at 25% or 1900 watts.
I suppose you could factor that out to around 9 hours at 4000 watts. 6 hours at 7600 Watts might be a stretch, but in real life loads are rarely sustained continuously at a particular load.

 

[lbhsbz]

Plus the cost of the generators…

I’m in Long Beach, I’ll just steal one

 

[lbhsbz]

What size AC? betting that 9.5kW won't start your AC unit even though it's within spec. Depending on the AC unit it could be near 200 amps. running amps and LRA are two very different things.

1500 sq ft house, my A/C is on a 40A breaker. Assuming a 3 ton unit or so.

7500W should start it, I could add in an idler load to help if need be.


I’m just spitballing.

 

[Ladsm]

They flexed Sant Clarita last night right as Sun went down so they lost solar power and today North Hollywood lost utility power. Our store is down till 11pm tonight

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Supposedly Running Springs got flexed today but I hadn’t heard of any other mountain communities getting it.