Is Trump doing a good job?

[Andy B.]

I'm not convinced that Trump could have passed a 20 question quiz about what was in his and Ryan's bill.

I am however a firm believer in math.

You can not have declining premiums and declining deductibles if you allow people to buy healthcare after they are sick, and then give them unlimited coverage. And Trumpcare had both those features. So Trump may be trying, but his try was on its merits a complete failure at addressing the main problem of rising premiums and deductibles.

I absolutely agree, this was Ryan's deal and Trump(he listened to the wrong people) should have never rolled with it He totally screwed up!!!

 

[squeezer]

snip' ... Trump has, is, and will reach out to those who oppose him. He has and will open up lines of communication. This is proven from how he has gotten endorsement from Vlad even before he was president.

You are spot on here Tex... Trump has a proven track record of making deals with our enemies.

 

[regor]

You are spot on here Tex... Trump has a proven track record of making deals with our enemies.

YOU............ARE...........SUCH............A..............MORON!!!!

Obama gave Russia perhaps the biggest gift it could have wanted from the meetings: an unqualified, hearty plug for Moscow's ascension to the World Trade Organization. Russia has long wanted membership but U.S. support in the past has come with conditions.

"Russia belongs in the WTO," Obama said as the two leaders stood side-by-side in the East Room after several hours of meetings

"There have been times where they [Russians] slip back into Cold War thinking and a Cold War mentality. And what I consistently say to them, and what I say to President Putin, is that’s the past and we’ve got to think about the future, and there’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to cooperate more effectively than we do."

And for the grand finale......................

[video=youtube_https;XsFR8DbSRQE]https://youtu.be/XsFR8DbSRQE[/video]

 

[Instigator]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rump-property/ar-BByP7rO?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=iehp

One out of every 3 days he has spent "vacationing" at one of his resorts. Trump investments are struggling with all the bad press. Probably more worried about his family business then the American people?

And you wonder why he can't get anything done.

Now Trump is back stabbing.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...yan-step-down/ar-BByMvL8?li=BBnb4R7&ocid=iehp

I'll ask again, since Regor didn't answer my question


Is Trump doing a good job?

Worst President EVER!

I'll cast a "no" vote.

Hasn't done much. He did bitch that not one democrat voted for his new plan. DUH!

NO

As long as Trump has all you whining liberal bitches crying like school girls that didn't get thier way he is doing a Great Job in my book

 

[Hullbilly]

YOU............ARE...........SUCH............A..............MORON!!!!

Obama gave Russia perhaps the biggest gift it could have wanted from the meetings: an unqualified, hearty plug for Moscow's ascension to the World Trade Organization. Russia has long wanted membership but U.S. support in the past has come with conditions.

"Russia belongs in the WTO," Obama said as the two leaders stood side-by-side in the East Room after several hours of meetings

"There have been times where they [Russians] slip back into Cold War thinking and a Cold War mentality. And what I consistently say to them, and what I say to President Putin, is that?s the past and we?ve got to think about the future, and there?s no reason why we shouldn?t be able to cooperate more effectively than we do."

And for the grand finale......................

[video=youtube_https;XsFR8DbSRQE]https://youtu.be/XsFR8DbSRQE[/video]

lol you took the bait!!! :grumble:

 

[saucedaddy]

As long as Trump has all you whining liberal bitches crying like school girls that didn't get thier way he is doing a Great Job in my book

It's "Their"?:rules

 

[squeezer]

lol you took the bait!!! :grumble:

Easy fishing when the suckers are biting...

 

[Instigator]

It's "Their"?:rules

LMAO
That's all you got in response was Spelling? No denial or anything?
Keep bitchin there little buddy! :thumbup:

 

[Old Texan]

What I stated above is that Trumps statements and behavior are inconsistent with a man wanting unity.

He has certainly reached out to others subsequent to those statements. Quite frankly he is either a typical politician or bi-polar.

At the same time, Obama made all sorts of statements inconsistent with a man wanting unity, and then reached out to others. Obama truly was a typical politician.

So I reiterate my point, you view Trump different and a unifier because you agree with his positions, not because his treatment of the opposite side is any different than Obama's.

The rut you speak of is the rut where each side equally thinks they are trying to unify and the other side is not, when in reality, both sides are not but can not see that.

Regor gets it. As he has repeatedly stated, he simply wants his way and the other side to suffer. Regor is just like people from both sides, he's just honest about it.

And I'll reiterate mine, your cynicism knows no bounds. You have such a negative view of mankind if you think there is no hope for true as possible unity. It will not happen in one person's terms, and it will have setbacks, but there is no reason to not try and have hope progress can be made.

If pinned down, I believe Regor has more compassion and reason to want unity than you allude to in your opinion. He doesn't want to help those who will not help themselves nor do I for that matter. And Trump has directly and indirectly stated, all have to carry their own loads and contribute as possible. That is how I see Regors's points. He is not selfish to a fault, he just expects personal responsibility.

Al we all want the government out of our ways and to do their own job as described.

Twist as you may, but the nation deserves better and it isn't a one sided deal that is the ultimate goal. Change is not easy for those who refuse to change. And it's going to be even worse for those as time goes on if the pressure for change increases. Trump makes what appear to be outrageous statements and indeed is on the attack when he encounters heavy opposition. But it's what has to be done to opposition that has never been challenged and is subverting the good change from what has driven the nation into social and economic holes. You do not agree and I understand that's your opinion. But your opinion is flawed on the spirit of this nation when it's back is against the wall and how they can come together regardless of social and racial differences.

We're seeing everyday how the economy is coming out of it's hibernation of caution on where the progressive plan was taking us. Money will be spent and projects will be funded. Job creation will put money in pockets that haven't had the opportunities for a long time. R's talked of creating jobs without bureaucratic relief, D's demanded companies hire with out need for new employees. Neither was successful. The new guy is starting with bureaucratic relief and is bringing big money out from the vest to afford expansion and growth. First signs of positive hope and what will eventually turn into change that "couldn't" happen....Simple as that in my opinion. Hate is such a negative it chills the heart and darkens the soul of those who use it for fuel.

 

[Old Texan]

You are spot on here Tex... Trump has a proven track record of making deals with our enemies.

And typical how you have to twist to make your points knucklehead.:finger

 

[Old Texan]

A point of order to the topic of this thread....How many recall at this time in 2013 when it was fimly declared that the R party was dead. They would win no another election ever. Old ways that have passed on and the new way of O's vision would be eternal.

Well guess the fuck what.....The R old guard is still holding out, but hte new guy is bringing the majority up to speed and MAGA is happening with an R in the oval office and more fannies than the other guys in Congress.

Plenty work to be done, but the nonsensical views of 2013 have been smashed all to hell......And some just refuse to address they could be oh so wrong:skull

 

[regor]

Easy fishing when the suckers are biting...

I stand by my comment dope. You and your party pushing a bullshit narrative about Trump colluding with Russia is comical!!!

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I think he's doing OK for a guy who never wanted the job in the first place.

I also think he should rescind all executive orders in regards to the ACA and allow the full breadth and weight of the law be felt by the American public, shit'll change then.

 

[was thatguy]

Couple points.

I suspect if HRC had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college, you would not be in here posting about how we need to give HRC a chance. You would not be arguing to give Garland and up or down vote. Nor would you be posting rebuttals to WTG's statements that HRC would end the republic and she and her husband run a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor back east. It would be posts identical to your posts about Obama and HRC in the past.

I find it hard to swallow that the campaign run by, and the presidency operated to date is that of an individual whose "intent is to unite and do what is best for everyone". Different people have different expectations of the behavior and statements of a leader attempting to unite. I do buy that Trump's intents are consistent with yours, and I buy that you think that is best for everyone, but there is at least half the country that does not think his views and your views, let alone my views, are what it best for everyone.

Lastly your comment "O-Care was written and completed without any outside opinion and was declared as such", is interesting as this is a perfect description of Trumpcare.

My post does not overlook, or ignore these simple points, my post is a simple observation that if you are a Trumpkin, you think it is better and more uniting now, when in reality, it is simply how you like it now. Not more bipartisan, not more constitutional, not more uniting, not better, just more to your liking.

No different than the Obama years were more to the liking of the other half.

Pizza Parlor?

 

[spectra3279]

Couple points.

I suspect if HRC had lost the popular vote but won the electoral college, you would not be in here posting about how we need to give HRC a chance. You would not be arguing to give Garland and up or down vote. Nor would you be posting rebuttals to WTG's statements that HRC would end the republic and she and her husband run a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor back east. It would be posts identical to your posts about Obama and HRC in the past.

I find it hard to swallow that the campaign run by, and the presidency operated to date is that of an individual whose "intent is to unite and do what is best for everyone". Different people have different expectations of the behavior and statements of a leader attempting to unite. I do buy that Trump's intents are consistent with yours, and I buy that you think that is best for everyone, but there is at least half the country that does not think his views and your views, let alone my views, are what it best for everyone.

Lastly your comment "O-Care was written and completed without any outside opinion and was declared as such", is interesting as this is a perfect description of Trumpcare.

My post does not overlook, or ignore these simple points, my post is a simple observation that if you are a Trumpkin, you think it is better and more uniting now, when in reality, it is simply how you like it now. Not more bipartisan, not more constitutional, not more uniting, not better, just more to your liking.

No different than the Obama years were more to the liking of the other half.

Osamacare was written by lobbyists and the insurance companies. It never had a single thing to help the people out.

 

[spectra3279]

What I stated above is that Trumps statements and behavior are inconsistent with a man wanting unity.

He has certainly reached out to others subsequent to those statements. Quite frankly he is either a typical politician or bi-polar.

At the same time, Obama made all sorts of statements inconsistent with a man wanting unity, and then reached out to others. Obama truly was a typical politician.

So I reiterate my point, you view Trump different and a unifier because you agree with his positions, not because his treatment of the opposite side is any different than Obama's.

The rut you speak of is the rut where each side equally thinks they are trying to unify and the other side is not, when in reality, both sides are not but can not see that.

Regor gets it. As he has repeatedly stated, he simply wants his way and the other side to suffer. Regor is just like people from both sides, he's just honest about it.

So far the difference I have seen is that osama had the opposite sides invited to dress them down, to tell them how it was gonna be.

Trump is at least listening to the opposing side and trying to come up with ideas, even Harvey was feeling good about the discussing.

Osama had no one but himself feeling good.

 

[spectra3279]

I think he's doing OK for a guy who never wanted the job in the first place.

I also think he should rescind all executive orders in regards to the ACA and allow the full breadth and weight of the law be felt by the American public, shit'll change then.

No it wont. 68% of the population is benefiting by all the freebies. It will totally decimate the 42% that pay for all of it.

If you doubt my numbers go look at the official stats on the gooberment websites. They are true and factual.

 

[530RL]

No it wont. 68% of the population is benefiting by all the freebies. It will totally decimate the 42% that pay for all of it.

If you doubt my numbers go look at the official stats on the gooberment websites. They are true and factual.

I have heard this is 110% true.......

 

[Sleek-Jet]

No it wont. 68% of the population is benefiting by all the freebies. It will totally decimate the 42% that pay for all of it.

If you doubt my numbers go look at the official stats on the gooberment websites. They are true and factual.

A lot of the fees and penalties of the act have been defered or compliance dates extended by executive order.

And check your math.

 

[was thatguy]

I have heard this is 110% true.......

Lol...I wasn't gonna say anything...

 

[hungrybb]

Like Trump is a CONSERVATIVE . :rolleyes

I fixed it [emoji16]

 

[hungrybb]

Who thinks the Freedom Caucus is doing a great job? Rep mark meadows is a. Courageous leader

 

[spectra3279]

A lot of the fees and penalties of the act have been defered or compliance dates extended by executive order.

And check your math.

Your right. 32%

 

[spectra3279]

But the 68% taking is true. Only 32% are paying. And that's for all gooberment free shit. Not just aca

 

[SNiC Jet]

Who thinks the Freedom Caucus is doing a great job? Rep mark meadows is a. Courageous leader

I do! And Tom Poe is a fuckin' Turncoat!

 

[regor]

Trump is set to sign a sweeping new "Energy Independence" executive order aimed at promoting domestic oil, coal and natural gas production by reversing much of Obama's efforts to address climate change via his "Clean Power Plan".


Begin undoing the EPA Clean Power Plan than mandates cuts in carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants.



Undo several policies that wove climate change into federal decision-making, such as the Obama administration's tally of a metric called the social cost of carbon, and a White House directive that agencies factor climate change into a range of permitting decisions.



Direct the Interior Department to end its moratorium on coal leasing on federal lands.



Direct EPA and Interior to review rules that govern oil and natural gas development, including EPA's methane emissions rules for new sources and Interior's rules that govern fracking on federal lands.



Scuttle a White House directive that required agencies to consider climate change when reviewing energy, infrastructure and other proposed projects under the National Environmental Policy Act.



Require federal agencies to broadly review existing rules and policies that might thwart energy development. They have 180 days to craft recommendations to address the problems.



Rescind several of Obama's policy memos and orders on tackling climate policy broadly, such as the broad 2013 strategy document.


www GoodJob .com:drink

 

[squeezer]

Trump is set to sign a sweeping new "Energy Independence" executive order aimed at promoting domestic oil, coal and natural gas production by reversing much of Obama's efforts to address climate change via his "Clean Power Plan".


Begin undoing the EPA Clean Power Plan than mandates cuts in carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants.



Undo several policies that wove climate change into federal decision-making, such as the Obama administration's tally of a metric called the social cost of carbon, and a White House directive that agencies factor climate change into a range of permitting decisions.



Direct the Interior Department to end its moratorium on coal leasing on federal lands.



Direct EPA and Interior to review rules that govern oil and natural gas development, including EPA's methane emissions rules for new sources and Interior's rules that govern fracking on federal lands.



Scuttle a White House directive that required agencies to consider climate change when reviewing energy, infrastructure and other proposed projects under the National Environmental Policy Act.



Require federal agencies to broadly review existing rules and policies that might thwart energy development. They have 180 days to craft recommendations to address the problems.



Rescind several of Obama's policy memos and orders on tackling climate policy broadly, such as the broad 2013 strategy document.


www GoodJob .com:drink

Anybody who thinks cheap oil is more important than clean water is a fucking idiot.

 

[was thatguy]

Anybody who thinks cheap oil is more important than clean water is a fucking idiot.

Um, why do you think water will be dirty?

 

[regor]

Anybody who thinks cheap oil is more important than clean water is a fucking idiot.

Cursing this morning Squeegee.........that's not very tard like. :nono

WINNING!!!! :drink

 

[RodnJen]

Isn't produced water a result of oil and gas extraction? I'm sure you have more insight on this than most.

 

[Old Texan]

Anybody who thinks cheap oil is more important than clean water is a fucking idiot.

Using Flint, MI as an example, arrogant Liberal government is far more dangerous to clean water than any oil drilling company.

And when you get a few seconds, you can tell us how the oil industry would be polluting the water supply.

 

[TeamGreene]

Using Flint, MI as an example, arrogant Liberal government is far more dangerous to clean water than any oil drilling company.

And when you get a few seconds, you can tell us how the oil industry would be polluting the water supply.

Come on OT everyone knows that FRACKING is going to kill us all!!!!

 

[copterzach]

I just want oil back up to around $70-$80 a barrel. Then we can all afford to buy bottled water again!

 

[Taboma]

So far I'm not surprised or disappointed in Trump's performance, but then again, my expectations were extremely low :rolleyes

I didn't vote FOR Trump, I voted against Hillary --- mission accomplished :thumbsup Him actually accomplishing much of anything he was selling will only be icing on the cake. :thumbsup

I was as surprised as Team Grads when he won, but I do fear that if he fizzles as did Arnold in CA and the right can't come up with a truly respected and effective leader, it'll be four years and out for our team.

PS: I don't know shit, I come here for the show and educational purposes only

 

[wzuber]

considering the multitude of tasks at hand, namely draining the swamp of ALL corrupt politicians from all parties, fixing all the previous admin. destructive policies and doing his level best to learn the system of politics in washington d.c. all the while dodging the bullets, rocks, arrows and land mines being hurled/place before him I would say he's doing a GREAT GREAT job.

If the former turdprincessinasuit was faced with this much adversity, he would of run back to his dope smoking, coke snorting, cock slobbing GANG in Hawaii before the fist week was over.

If KILLARY KLINTON was faced with this same desperate, despicable type of treatment she and the liberal media would be crying like the girl that got raped by the black rapist Killary defended and got off knowing full well he was guilty as sin.

So ya, I'd say TRUMPS doing a FANTASTIC job. It's gonna be GREAT.

It's all about perspective, bitches. lol

 

[2CHILL]

If Obama faced this much adversity? You must be joking...

"When President Obama came into office, the economy was bleeding more than 600,000 jobs a month. The unemployment rate was 7.8% on its way to 10%. Donald Trump came into office. In the last month of the Obama administration, the economy added 227,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate is 4.7% or 4.8%, so he has every right to say that there are problems he wants to deal with, but the idea that he came into this swirling cesspool. It?s just not a fact.?

By no metric can what Trump inherited by objectively defined as a mess. Obama left Trump a growing economy, an America with a stable place a top global leadership, ISIS was being pushed out of territory that they had taken, more Americans had health care than at any point in US history.

Sure, there were problems at home and abroad that needed to be addressed, but if Trump wants to see what inheriting a mess looks like, he should look at what Obama was stuck with when he came into office. Obama had to save the US economy from slipping into a depression and end two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

 

[JD D05]

 

[spectras only]

If Obama faced this much adversity? You must be joking...

The unemployment rate was 7.8% on its way to 10%. Donald Trump came into office. In the last month of the Obama administration, the economy added 227,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate is 4.7% or 4.8%, so he has every right to say that there are problems he wants to deal with, but the idea that he came into this swirling cesspool. It's just not a fact.

your stats on unemployment is way of. Pretty much it hasn;t changed much since the economy tanked. There're more part time work now than there ever was.
Only thing I've noticed the debtclock slowed down somewhat. I thought for sure it will reach the magical 20 trillion in 2016.:eek http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Here's some facts for you if you have no time checking it out for yourself.

Official unemployment = 7.503.961
Actual = 14.648.955, it hasn't changed for years
US workforce now= 152.598.826
US workforce year 2000 = 155.482.605
Not in workforce now=94.201.678
not in workforce year 2000= 79.440.102

Not to mention the sheer number of people on assistance today.

Obama did inherit an economy in downward spiral, and even ten Donald Trumps could not fix that in a short time frame you guys expect him to do,lol.

 

[Old Texan]

If Obama faced this much adversity? You must be joking...

"When President Obama came into office, the economy was bleeding more than 600,000 jobs a month. The unemployment rate was 7.8% on its way to 10%. Donald Trump came into office. In the last month of the Obama administration, the economy added 227,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate is 4.7% or 4.8%, so he has every right to say that there are problems he wants to deal with, but the idea that he came into this swirling cesspool. It?s just not a fact.?

By no metric can what Trump inherited by objectively defined as a mess. Obama left Trump a growing economy, an America with a stable place a top global leadership, ISIS was being pushed out of territory that they had taken, more Americans had health care than at any point in US history.

Sure, there were problems at home and abroad that needed to be addressed, but if Trump wants to see what inheriting a mess looks like, he should look at what Obama was stuck with when he came into office. Obama had to save the US economy from slipping into a depression and end two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

Chilly, Chilly, Chilly, Chilly.......So much nonsense there, I wouldn't even know where to begin and you'd never believe the facts anyway.

Enjoy yourself as things change for the better around you and the statistics don't have to be elaborated on. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[530RL]

your stats on unemployment is way of. Pretty much it hasn;t changed much since the economy tanked. There're more part time work now than there ever was.
Only thing I've noticed the debtclock slowed down somewhat. I thought for sure it will reach the magical 20 trillion in 2016.:eek http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Here's some facts for you if you have no time checking it out for yourself.

Official unemployment = 7.503.961
Actual = 14.648.955, it hasn't changed for years
US workforce now= 152.598.826
US workforce year 2000 = 155.482.605
Not in workforce now=94.201.678
not in workforce year 2000= 79.440.102

Not to mention the sheer number of people on assistance today.

Obama did inherit an economy in downward spiral, and even ten Donald Trumps could not fix that in a short time frame you guys expect him to do,lol.

Unemployment is people who are looking for work and capable of working.

Underemployment is people who are working part time who would like to work full time.

In either event, whether you are talking about U3 or U6, the numbers have objectively declined over Obama's terms.

Certainly if you consider using U3 in 2009 and then using U6 in 2017, you can tell your story but that is not an apples to apples comparison.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

 

[regor]

If Obama faced this much adversity? You must be joking...

"When President Obama came into office, the economy was bleeding more than 600,000 jobs a month. The unemployment rate was 7.8% on its way to 10%. Donald Trump came into office. In the last month of the Obama administration, the economy added 227,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate is 4.7% or 4.8%, so he has every right to say that there are problems he wants to deal with, but the idea that he came into this swirling cesspool. It?s just not a fact.?

By no metric can what Trump inherited by objectively defined as a mess. Obama left Trump a growing economy, an America with a stable place a top global leadership, ISIS was being pushed out of territory that they had taken, more Americans had health care than at any point in US history.

Sure, there were problems at home and abroad that needed to be addressed, but if Trump wants to see what inheriting a mess looks like, he should look at what Obama was stuck with when he came into office. Obama had to save the US economy from slipping into a depression and end two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

Trump is definitely not facing the same economic emergency that O did, just $10T more debt, thanks to the wonderful job your messiah did. :thumbsdown

How about foreign policy, you want to "discuss" that?

 

[spectras only]

Unemployment is people who are looking for work and capable of working.

Underemployment is people who are working part time who would like to work full time.

In either event, whether you are talking about U3 or U6, the numbers have objectively declined over Obama's terms.

Certainly if you consider using U3 in 2009 and then using U6 in 2017, you can tell your story but that is not an apples to apples comparison.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

e

My post was mainly about the current unemployment rate. Do you believe the current unemployment rate stands at 4.7-4.8% as Chilly claims, or you have solid info contrary to Debtclock's stats?

 

[boatdoc55]

If Obama faced this much adversity? You must be joking...

"When President Obama came into office, the economy was bleeding more than 600,000 jobs a month. The unemployment rate was 7.8% on its way to 10%. Donald Trump came into office. In the last month of the Obama administration, the economy added 227,000 jobs, and the unemployment rate is 4.7% or 4.8%, so he has every right to say that there are problems he wants to deal with, but the idea that he came into this swirling cesspool. It?s just not a fact.?

By no metric can what Trump inherited by objectively defined as a mess. Obama left Trump a growing economy, an America with a stable place a top global leadership, ISIS was being pushed out of territory that they had taken, more Americans had health care than at any point in US history.

Sure, there were problems at home and abroad that needed to be addressed, but if Trump wants to see what inheriting a mess looks like, he should look at what Obama was stuck with when he came into office. Obama had to save the US economy from slipping into a depression and end two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan"

You don't have a fricken clue do you???

 

[boatdoc55]

Anybody who thinks cheap oil is more important than clean water is a fucking idiot.

You need to get out of that rain soaked place called Portland Or. Your brain is getting more and more soggy every post you type!

 

[regor]

You need to get out of that rain soaked place called Portland Or. Your brain is getting more and more soggy every post you type!

I think his new Utopian diet is wrecking havoc on him, just as it's doing to the elephants in his beloved socialist paradise of Venezuela. arty:

 

[530RL]

your stats on unemployment is way of. Pretty much it hasn;t changed much since the economy tanked......

e

My post was mainly about the current unemployment rate. Do you believe the current unemployment rate stands at 4.7-4.8% as Chilly claims, or you have solid info contrary to Debtclock's stats?

There are multiple unemployment measures and it is very difficult to assume they are exactly x.x or y.y.

However I do believe the trends and in that case, the unemployment rate by any consistent measure today, is significantly lower than when Obama took office.

 

[River Lynchmob]

There are multiple unemployment measures and it is very difficult to assume they are exactly x.x or y.y.

However I do believe the trends and in that case, the unemployment rate by any consistent measure today, is significantly lower than when Obama took office.

Even when you add in those who have dropped out of the workforce and the labor participation rate?

 

[RodnJen]

Even when you add in those who have dropped out of the workforce and the labor participation rate?

Yes, by any measure. Is our economy the same structure, or type of jobs, that it was 20 yeas ago, no. Technology has played a far greater role in how are labor force has change than any policy.

 

[was thatguy]

Isn't produced water a result of oil and gas extraction? I'm sure you have more insight on this than most.

All oil and gas wells produce water to some extent. This water comes from the same producing zones that the oil and gas comes from, not the water tables that consumable water comes from...unless the casing is damaged or the cement job was faulty.

A typical formation in it's most basic form has gas on top, then oil, then water. (coning) Just like in a bucket, oil floats. The trick is to set wells to extract what you want and leave the rest.

But anyway, the water that is produced in oil and gas wells is separated at surface and usually injected back into the same formation via strategically placed injection wells.

I had a guy argue with me one day saying that we were destroying his states water with our oil wells. He was under the impression that we were somehow stealing consumable water with the oil wells (HZ's) and using it to inject for formation pressure. (Which is why it is injected back in)

He (like squeezer) thought that the water coming up with the oil was water that could be used as consumable water...it isn't.
It isn't from any consumable water table.
It is actually usually required (as a hazardous substance) to be desposed of by injecting.

 

[Old Texan]

All oil and gas wells produce water to some extent. This water comes from the same producing zones that the oil and gas comes from, not the water tables that consumable water comes from...unless the casing is damaged or the cement job was faulty.

A typical formation in it's most basic form has gas on top, then oil, then water. (coning) Just like in a bucket, oil floats. The trick is to set wells to extract what you want and leave the rest.

But anyway, the water that is produced in oil and gas wells is separated at surface and usually injected back into the same formation via strategically placed injection wells.

I had a guy argue with me one day saying that we were destroying his states water with our oil wells. He was under the impression that we were somehow stealing consumable water with the oil wells (HZ's) and using it to inject for formation pressure. (Which is why it is injected back in)

He (like squeezer) thought that the water coming up with the oil was water that could be used as consumable water...it isn't.
It isn't from any consumable water table.
It is actually usually required (as a hazardous substance) to be desposed of by injecting.

Drinking water comes from aquifers that are relatively shallow. 100 to 400 feet I believe. Petroleum reservoirs come from formation 1,000's of feet down and are contained by natural formation "seals" which keep them from leeching out from the pressures in the earth's crust.

Aquifers are replenished by ground water rather than from sources lower in the earth crust.

Does this sound accurate Tommy?

The research of injection wells is frightening and controversial. Both sides have shown merit and we need to support the research and grow safe technology to protect the upper water levels. Locating and plugging old capped wells is a must as they can allow hazardous materials to flow upwards.

But to say drilling for petroleum pollutes ground water is a stretch. Potential is there but the strict safeguards keep it from happening. I'm far more concerned with the extremely hazardous chemicals and waste materials that are injected deep into the earth's crust. Geologists are on top of that industry but it is scary to think about what is being pushed down the holes that is left to set there and wait......