Iranian death wish?

[regor]

It is which is why 7 major countries signed the JCPOA and 6 would like it upheld.

This has nothing to do with Iran or the JCPOA, it has to do with the reality that Trump and his supporters think that anything that Obama did was wrong even if 6 other major Countries disagree.

It’s just hate, pure and simple hate by Trump supporters of Obama and any action he undertook. Obama bad, scrap anything Obama did.........

Project Cassandra, an investigation of illicit trafficking networks employed by Hezbollah, Iran’s Lebanese franchise. Launched in 2008, the investigation was run by a multiagency task force, including the FBI itself. Then for 18 months in 2014-15, the Obama White House gave the Iranians $700 million a month in sanctions relief. In January 2016, Mr. Obama sent Iran another $1.7 billion in cash. The administration also had a habit of leaking news of Israeli strikes on Iranian arms convoys and depots in Syria.

Valerie Jarrett was born in Iran, and spent her first five years in that country. Like Barack Obama, Jarrett’s initial experience was not as an American, but an American/Muslim hybrid. According to an American Spectator report in August of 2008, the Obama campaign had initiated an aggressive program to hide Jarrett’s Iranian background. This program received significant help from certain media figures who were only too happy to comply with the Obama camp’s request that Jarrett’s Middle East ties were not made a public matter – even as Iranian.com declared Jarrett its “Iranian of the Day” that same month of August. Also during that same time period, Barack Obama admitted to the New York Times that, “I trust her (Jarrett) to speak for me, particularly when we’re dealing with delicate issues” and that he ran every important decision by her first.

 

[Andy B.]

Like I said in the other thread regor O put savages in place to promote his muslim agenda and Trumps trying to give it back to us as in tax paying AMERICAN CITIZEN'S!!!!!!

 

[spectras only]

Anyone who believes Iran stopped its nuclear program ever, treaty or not, has his/her head in the sand.
Western Europeans know this but rather pull tails between their legs than razzle russian friendly Iran.They're mostly bunch of cowards! The US should let them eat shit staying out of the ME conflict IMHO. My old country was penalized by allies after WWII [ Jalta ], given to the Russians, because a small group sided with Hitler in hope to gain absolute sovereignty after centuries of fighting invaders.Fuck the allies and their treaties. They chopped Hungary to a size third of its former after WWI, leaving a huge population severed from relatives. History is a bitch, you have to live it to believe it.
Thousand years of building a nation > Hungary, founded in 896, was a peaceful multi-ethnic state for over 1100 years and her borders were virtually unchanged.... Until 1920.http://www.americanhungarianfederation.org/news_trianon.htm

[/B]

The United States never ratified this treaty. At the time President Wilson said: “The proposal to dismember Hungary is absurd” and later Sir Winston Churchill said: “Ancient poets and theologians could not imagine such suffering, which Trianon brought to the innocent.” Others warned that a weakened, dismembered Hungary would lead to a weak, fragmented Central Europe unable to resist Soviet expansionism. We are sad to report that they were all right.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Regardless of the realities on the ground. This "Holding pattern" Trump put himself into makes him look like he blinked first. AGAIN...Forget reality, the MSM imagery is that President Trump was both weak and indecisive. Had he carried through with his planned attack, he would have been painted as a loose cannon and a psychotic war monger, told what to do by John Bolton.

 

[MSum661]

We've done nothing like "raining down missiles" on any country ever since WW2, and even then there was a fuckton of red tape binding every action.

If we ever were allowed to take the gloves off, no country could stand against the USA. .

Yep, if it ever came down to a full blown SHTF situation.

Just one Ohio-Class BMS Boomer alone would end it quick. We have 18, 14 stocked with up to 24 SLBMs each with a range of 7,000 miles. That translates up to 24 different major targets in one fell swoop.
Said to be the most destructive weapon system ever created by humankind.
China, Russia or any other sane adversary attempting a first strike involvement would be their kiss of death. They know it and fear it.
I'll go out on a limb and say at least one unit is strategically positioned as we speak.

Iran should consider complying and be done with it and other foreign countries should get the F' out of the way.
JMO.

 

[Old Texan]

Amazing how the oracle blows out his bullshit without taking into account the agenda Iran's radical islamic has been pushing since the coup during Carter. The treaty was a farce and claiming 6 other nations support is hot air. Those 6 are up to no good themselves and in bed with the mullahs. Those countries are in jeopardy from swelling muslim invaders and can't sustain their own soil......Hate has ate the little remaining sense left on Mt Orcale

Post 52 explains a shitload of what O was all about and how the treaty was part of the farce he pushed on the nation

 

[RVR SWPR]

At this point ol 530 just Stirring + burning the free time he fortunate to have available.Do you guys really believe he subscribes to the bullshit & hate going on in Washington DC.If his bullshit is legit,damn glad he wasting his time here instead of a Prosecutor or public defender office.
Gotta say his sponsorship of our village idiot is strange.

 

[530RL]

Regardless of the realities on the ground. This "Holding pattern" Trump put himself into makes him look like he blinked first. AGAIN...Forget reality, the MSM imagery is that President Trump was both weak and indecisive. Had he carried through with his planned attack, he would have been painted as a loose cannon and a psychotic war monger, told what to do by John Bolton.

Valid observation where Trump has put himself in a pickle due to his inability to sometimes just say nothing.

Since you and Squeezer are part of the few that can read a post without engaging in personal insults of the poster and their family, here is something short but worth reading for the two of you.

It's just an opinion, but it is worth considering in this context.

https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/06...raw-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-the-right-one/

 

[Andy B.]

Valid observation where Trump has put himself in a pickle due to his inability to sometimes just say nothing.

Since you and Squeezer are the only two that can read a post without engaging in personal insults of the poster and their family, here is something short but worth reading for the two of you.

It's just an opinion, but it is worth considering in this context.

https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/06...raw-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-the-right-one/

Whoa,whoa,whoa Tex I don't bring any personal insults,no mama jokes,family etc. There are more on here don't be such a hater lol! The only time for personal attacks are in person...

 

[Andy B.]

Wait I remember calling you a lawyer or lobbyist lol!!

 

[530RL]

Wait I remember calling you a lawyer or lobbyist lol!!

Exactly........

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Valid observation where Trump has put himself in a pickle due to his inability to sometimes just say nothing.

Since you and Squeezer are part of the few that can read a post without engaging in personal insults of the poster and their family, here is something short but worth reading for the two of you.

It's just an opinion, but it is worth considering in this context.

https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/06...raw-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-the-right-one/

Face it Dan, this is a global problem, been in the making for many years and as many administrations. So, do we live by the terms of the original deal and "allow" Iran to have Nukes in 4-6 years? Or are we (the free world) better off trying to force them into a more favorable deal?

The way I see it now, there's a fight comin' regardless. Just what kinda weapons do you want to face?

Its an ugly situation with no really good outcome, other than Iran joining the free and civilized world and abandoning the weapons. You may ask, who are we to decide who can, and who can't possess Nukes? We are the country that keeps hearing..."Death to America" (and Israel) allowing this rouge regime to possess weapons to carry out their threat seems counter-intuitive.

I will check out the link.

 

[BONER]

Man, you guys are some TinFoil Hat wearin' Motherfuckers. Lol

@Blackmagic94 will blend right in.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Man, you guys are some TinFoil Hat wearin' Motherfuckers. Lol

@Blackmagic94 will blend right in.

Not really, we're more "Deranged Cerebral Outcasts" than anything else. But come on in, the cuts heal quickly and become addictive.

 

[regor]

Man, you guys are some TinFoil Hat wearin' Motherfuckers. Lol

@Blackmagic94 will blend right in.

 

[Hullbilly]

Man, you guys are some TinFoil Hat wearin' Motherfuckers. Lol

@Blackmagic94 will blend right in.

Lol is this yore way of saying “cant we all get along?”

 

[BONER]

Not really, we're more "Deranged Cerebral Outcasts" than anything else. But come on in, the cuts heal quickly and become addictive.

So for some reason, it didn't dawn on me that this particular Forum doesn't pop up when I hit "New Posts".

I will be in here more frequently though. Although I try to avoid it personally, I like reading Name Calling and people bashing their Keyboard like it owes em money because they're so fired up.

My kinda Forum.

 

[BONER]

Lol is this yore way of saying “cant we all get along?”

Fuck no Man. Let Her eat!

 

[regor]

So for some reason, it didn't dawn on me that this particular Forum doesn't pop up when I hit "New Posts".

I will be in here more frequently though. Although I try to avoid it personally, I like reading Name Calling and people bashing their Keyboard like it owes em money because they're so fired up.

My kinda Forum.

Just a word of advice, Maria and Mo will be stalking, beware.

 

[500bbc]

Man, you guys are some TinFoil Hat wearin' Motherfuckers. Lol

@Blackmagic94 will blend right in.

Are you talking about the odds that Michael Obama has a dick?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Are you talking about the odds that Michael Obama had a dick?

Fixed it.

 

[500bbc]

So for some reason, it didn't dawn on me that this particular Forum doesn't pop up when I hit "New Posts".

I will be in here more frequently though. Although I try to avoid it personally, I like reading Name Calling and people bashing their Keyboard like it owes em money because they're so fired up.

My kinda Forum.

So... are you with us or against us?

With = MAGA hat wearing, gun loving, tits and ass (female) loving , fishing, hunting fast boat loving MuthaFuckers.

Against = Fucking Idiot

 

[Old Texan]

Whoa,whoa,whoa Tex I don't bring any personal insults,no mama jokes,family etc. There are more on here don't be such a hater lol! The only time for personal attacks are in person...

Tex?

 

[BONER]

So... are with us or against us?

With = MAGA hat wearing, gun loving, tits and ass (female) loving , fishing, hunting fast boat loving MuthaFuckers.

Against = Fucking Idiot

I deployed in 2003, own lots of Guns, and believe Taxation is Theft.

With, of course. Don't be silly.

 

[BONER]

Are you talking about the odds that Michael Obama has a dick?

Nothing Tinfoil about that. Probably the Truth...

 

[HotRod82]

This week Trump is being called weak because he didn't retaliate.....when Iran does this again (which they will) and Trump retaliates, he will be called an overly aggressive psycho who just wants war. The entire ME needs a plague.

 

[wallnutz]

Iran as well as the other participants want the deal to remain in place. The US has said that anyone who upholds their end of the deal, such as buying oil and other economic parts of the deal will be sanctioned by the US.

The US has made it a policy to interfere with other nations from fulfilling their obligations which they would like to do under the JCPOA.

This kerfuffle is entirely the Trump administrations making. As I previously stated, the Trump administration is giving Iran no choice but to break the deal, exceed enrichment caps and enrichment levels. It was an action by the Administration without a strategy other than Iran will cave, they have to.

How do you think Trump would respond on behalf of the US if some other country told us what treaties we could honor and what treaties we could not honor. He’d tell them to go pound sand.



LOL,

Let’s see.

N. Korea is farther along in their program than when he took office, Iraq is a continuing mess costing us a hundred billion a year, Afghanistan well that has higher troop levels once again, the Syrian government is still using chemical weapons on its civilians despite Trump’s threats, Russia is doing as they wish in the ME to include daily bombing campaigns and Iran just bombed 6 tankers and shot down a US asset.

Yep, it’s a new day alright. They sure are afraid of the “wrong people”.

It will be tit for tat. Iran will not back down, for if they do, they are out of power.

What makes you think Iran wants to stay in the treaty? I would think they would want to be a sovereign nuclear nation. Seems they want to be a world power. Maybe you have some inside privy info? But I think they weren’t really following the treaty to a tee, when they are ready to go over their allotment of enrichment. But I guess it’s just as easy to blame Trump and his administration.

 

[was thatguy]

Whoa,whoa,whoa Tex I don't bring any personal insults,no mama jokes,family etc. There are more on here don't be such a hater lol! The only time for personal attacks are in person...

Half or more of the “insults” exist only in n his mind.

 

[500bbc]

Which is why 7 major countries signed the JCPOA and 6 would like it upheld.

This has nothing to do with Iran or the JCPOA, it has to do with the reality that Trump and his supporters think that anything that Obama did was wrong even if 6 other major Countries disagree.

It’s just hate, pure and simple hate by Trump supporters of Obama and any action he undertook. Obama bad, scrap anything Obama did.........

Lets just ask 7 major countries what we need to do and when we need to do it for the rest of our foreign and domestic policy as well.

Fucking Mentally ill bastard

 

[500bbc]

I deployed in 2003, own lots of Guns, and believe Taxation is Theft.

With, of course. Don't be silly.

In all seriousness, Thank You For Your Service Sir!

Beware of the Whirly Turd!

 

[BONER]

In all seriousness, Thank You For Your Service Sir!

Beware of the Whirly Turd!

No Thanks needed, my Man. Would do it again in a heartbeat. But I appreciate it.

 

[Hullbilly]

Do fags need a room?

 

[SNiC Jet]

Since you and Squeezer are part of the few that can read a post without engaging in personal insults of the poster and their family,

Oh dear god...With your history of delivering the crudest and most disrespectful family insult to date....I can't believe you went there.

We realize that you make up and pass along a lot of shit on these boards....but this dog won't hunt.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Gotta say his sponsorship of our village idiot is strange.

Not strange at all....It's called jealously......GMac is stealing 530's spotlight and he wants back in.

 

[BONER]

Any 3 Percenters in here?

 

[regor]

Any 3 Percenters in here?

You?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Any 3 Percenters in here?

Hah! I had to look that one up in the Urban Dictionary.

Boner, If you hang around here long enough, you'll be defined as an extreme right wing whacko and a neoconservative. I think most if not all the lefty progressives here would in fact call us all 3 percenters. The funny thing is, their vision of America is far more revolutionary than the prism with which "we" see America through.

 

[BONER]

You?

Negative.

I like the concept. But a little too Radical for me. I'm also not a very big Fan of labeling myself.

I was asking though, because I'm intrigued and would like to hear from a 3 Percenter.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Negative.

I like the concept. But a little too Radical for me. I'm also not a very big Fan of labeling myself.

Don't worry, you'll be labelled by the Lefties.

 

[BONER]

Don't worry, you'll be labelled by the Lefties.

Always.

Also, they can label me whatever they want, as long as they don't label me as one of them!

 

[Old Texan]

Half or more of the “insults” exist only in n his mind.

Self envisioned demigods don't do self pity well.....

What is curious is just how much of his own bullshit he believes. Or better how long it takes after he pulls it out of his ass for it to become real in his sick mind.

 

[squeezer]

Valid observation where Trump has put himself in a pickle due to his inability to sometimes just say nothing.

Since you and Squeezer are part of the few that can read a post without engaging in personal insults of the poster and their family, here is something short but worth reading for the two of you.

It's just an opinion, but it is worth considering in this context.

https://intpolicydigest.org/2018/06...raw-from-the-iran-nuclear-deal-the-right-one/

The entire ME situation is a no-win for Trump...

There is no way to take any kind of a stabilizing path without redefining relationships with The Saudis and Israel. Even mentioning this would put a target on his back that makes the current situation look polite.

The fact that he fucked up the optics of the current situation (I do not believe he did the wrong thing by Sabre rattling but not striking) just shows the lack of a strategic message plan in critical situations.

I am assuming Bolton will be leaving very soon and likely Pompeo as well.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

The entire ME situation is a no-win for Trump...

There is no way to take any kind of a stabilizing path without redefining relationships with The Saudis and Israel. Even mentioning this would put a target on his back that makes the current situation look polite.

The fact that he fucked up the optics of the current situation (I do not believe he did the wrong thing by Sabre rattling but not striking) just shows the lack of a strategic message plan in critical situations.

I am assuming Bolton will be leaving very soon and likely Pompeo as well.

The entire ME is in fact a no win for any President. There are far too many actors, all with divergent strategies and geopolitical wishes. The religious nature of their cultures are by definition tribal in nature.

Its really very similar to my travels in Africa. Every region has it's own tribe(s). The have their own languages, their own chiefs, their own internal political protocols. Very, very few of them get along. Historically, its about food, territory, power and wives. Its really not different than Shia, Sunni and the Kurds. They all want to pursue their own interests. There really isn't a "national interest."

We see their world through our prism of Nationalism.

 

[regor]

The entire ME situation is a no-win for Trump...

There is no way to take any kind of a stabilizing path without redefining relationships with The Saudis and Israel. Even mentioning this would put a target on his back that makes the current situation look polite.

The fact that he fucked up the optics of the current situation (I do not believe he did the wrong thing by Sabre rattling but not striking) just shows the lack of a strategic message plan in critical situations.

I am assuming Bolton will be leaving very soon and likely Pompeo as well.

F Bolton and Pompeo, I agree.

Bolton’s been bragging about regime change in Tehran for years. I felt Donnie would control the war mongering whore and firing him does.

 

[MSum661]

Look at it from a tactical angle,
the dumbass's just gave away the exact location of one of their ground to air missile radar systems.

lol.

Successful weapons systems hack. Disabled on Thursday.
Wasn't a complete loss with the daisy chain frequency grab on the way down.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ttack-on-iranian-rockets-and-missiles-reports

Good work.
MAGA

 

[500bbc]

The entire ME situation is a no-win for Trump...

There is no way to take any kind of a stabilizing path without redefining relationships with The Saudis and Israel. Even mentioning this would put a target on his back that makes the current situation look polite.

The fact that he fucked up the optics of the current situation (I do not believe he did the wrong thing by Sabre rattling but not striking) just shows the lack of a strategic message plan in critical situations.

I am assuming Bolton will be leaving very soon and likely Pompeo as well.

Unlike every other world leader for the past three thousand years?


Fucking Idiot

 

[RVR SWPR]

Buckle up,Hide & Watch

 

[spectras only]

The entire ME situation is a no-win for Trump...

Was there ever a win situation in the ME for any leaders before ?Put the pipe down you ME expert.

 

[squeezer]

Was there ever a win situation in the ME for any leaders before ?Put the pipe down you ME expert.

Not an expert... Just have an opinion. Which by the way things have gone for the last 70 years is as valid as anybody’s.

Our ME policy is 99% based on oil interests. Our military excursions in the region have done nothing to stabilize anything accept access to oil fields and transportation options.

A president that REALLY intended to drive change in the area would start by getting the house of Saud inline.

 

[94Nautique]

ok. I have a question since this treaty business came up again. What did the U.S. gain from that treaty? I'll wait.

Well, we dont have to figure out how to spend the $1.5 billion we gave Iran, and we have a few less pallets to dispose of...