Iranian death wish?

[Old Texan]

Allegedly torpedoed or put a mine on passing oil tankers. Now they shot down a USN drone in international airspace......

Playing with fire trying top provoke a deadly response?

End game?

 

[Luvnlife]

I just saw this. What are they looking for? Play stupid games get stupid prizes.


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[530RL]

The Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iranian accord (JCPOA) of which he certainly had the right to do, coupled with the Trump administration's insistence that other sovereign nations should be precluded from holding up their end of the Iranian accord which seems like an attack on their sovereign rights, gives the Iranian regime no option but to either capitulate or fight.

So the Iran regime really has no other practical choice but to do what they are doing.

 

[squeezer]

 

[RVR SWPR]

Well,let's see here. We can put a hold on all this & wait for Kamala solutions,or how about Bernie,no doubt he knows exactly what we need.Next up Joe will be along,he has been involved for 40 years as Senator,several failed attempts at the Presidentcy,and finally 8 years as Vice President,we all know the results of that.For sure Hillary waiting for the call to duty,if not for their FAILED SPEAKING TOUR SHE WOULD BE THE FRONT RUNNER. This place has become a fucking circus,somebody clean up GMAC and get him in here asap.
THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

 

[RVR SWPR]

 

[FreeBird236]

Keep poking the Pitbull.

John Kerry told them it would be okay.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Regor,you might consider RE-Running "BEST OF THREADS" thru to after labor day.Especially if the deleted threads were salvaged from the trash.

 

[Old Texan]

The Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iranian accord (JCPOA) of which he certainly had the right to do, coupled with the Trump administration's insistence that other sovereign nations should be precluded from holding up their end of the Iranian accord which seems like an attack on their sovereign rights, gives the Iranian regime no option but to either capitulate or fight.

So the Iran regime really has no other practical choice but to do what they are doing.

Suicide is certainly an option.......Noted

 

[500bbc]

The Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iranian accord (JCPOA) of which he certainly had the right to do, coupled with the Trump administration's insistence that other sovereign nations should be precluded from holding up their end of the Iranian accord which seems like an attack on their sovereign rights, gives the Iranian regime no option but to either capitulate or fight.

So the Iran regime really has no other practical choice but to do what they are doing.

Their only "practical" choice is to start a war with the United States?
Do you really understand what part of the iranian government shot the drone down?


Seek help Boofity, it's out there.

Fucking mental case...

 

[94Nautique]

Their only "practical" choice is to start a war with the United States?
Do you really understand what part of the iranian government shot the drone down?


Seek help Boofity, it's out there.

Fucking mental case...

no one ever said 529.2 had common sense.

 

[530RL]

Their only "practical" choice is to start a war with the United States?
Do you really understand what part of the iranian government shot the drone down?


Seek help Boofity, it's out there.

Fucking mental case...

Absent dropping a nuclear bomb, which the US will not do, the US has no practical way to engage in a war with Iran that has clear objectives that are 1) achievable; 2) measurable; 3) does not de-stabilize the Middle East even greater than it is now; and 4) ends the regime that is in power in Iran now.

Iran is fully aware the US can not start a war with Iran and "win it" by an "common sense" measure.

Just ask Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

And Iran knows this clearly.

Iran has been put in a position where they have no choice but to do tit for tat with the US, until such time as the US administration changes or China, Russia and the EU sets up an alternative to the SWIFT system so that those nations can return to oil purchases with Iran and for those still agreeing with the JCPOA, meet their economic and trade obligations under it.

Otherwise, the current US policy which prevents other sovereign nations from fulfilling their obligations under the JCPOA, gives Iran the international right to enrich uranium to weapons grade levels and finish their nuclear program which others would prefer not to give to Iran.

So it is tit for tat buying time until other nations can get away from the US Dollar as the international reserve currency so that they will never again have to be held hostage to Trump or any future US President's whims and impulses.

 

[500bbc]

Absent dropping a nuclear bomb, which the US will not do, the US has no practical way to engage in a war with Iran that has clear objectives that are 1) achievable; 2) measurable; 3) does not de-stabilize the Middle East even greater than it is now; and 4) ends the regime that is in power in Iran now.

Iran is fully aware the US can not start a war with Iran and "win it" by an "common sense" measure.

Just ask Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

And Iran knows this clearly.

Iran has been put in a position where they have no choice but to do tit for tat with the US, until such time as the US administration changes or China, Russia and the EU sets up an alternative to the SWIFT system so that those nations can return to oil purchases with Iran and for those still agreeing with the JCPOA, meet their economic and trade obligations under it.

Otherwise, the current US policy which prevents other sovereign nations from fulfilling their obligations under the JCPOA, gives Iran the international right to enrich uranium to weapons grade levels and finish their nuclear program which others would prefer not to give to Iran.

So it is tit for tat buying time until other nations can get away from the US Dollar as the international reserve currency so that they will never again have to be held hostage to Trump or any future US President's whims and impulses.

Iran just ramped it up again... We've been at war with them since Jimmy Catuh fucked the US.

Fucking Mental Case

 

[RVR SWPR]

Consider every possible manufactured product,invention,convenience in Iran i don't care what it is,probably even the wheel and discovery of fire,the United States and it's citizens with their ingenuity are responsible for every bit of it.With all that said,How is it you morons think those idiots in Iran or anywhere in the middle east can build a Nuclear Weapon that not only is fucked up,there will be a Nuclear accident that will be beyond comprehension.

THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

 

[MSum661]

Look at it from a tactical angle,
the dumbass's just gave away the exact location of one of their ground to air missile radar systems.

lol.

 

[MSum661]

Suicide is certainly an option.......Noted

Wait for it...... "Iranian nuclear test site has collapsed and may be out of action"

 

[500bbc]

My apologies again, we need to step back to Talking Turd diplomacy and just draw a line in the sand. worked in Syria, why not Iran?

Operation Praying Mantis was an attack on 18 April 1988, by U.S. forces within Iranian territorial waters in retaliation for the Iranian mining of the Persian Gulf during the Iran–Iraq War and the subsequent damage to an American warship.

On 14 April, the guided missile frigate USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine while deployed in the Persian Gulf as part of Operation Earnest Will, the 1987–88 convoy missions in which U.S. warships escorted reflagged Kuwaiti oil tankers to protect them from Iranian attacks. The explosion blew a 4.5 m (15-foot) hole in the Samuel B. Roberts's hull and nearly sank it. The crew saved their ship with no loss of life, and the Samuel B. Roberts was towed to Dubai, United Arab Emirates on 16 April. After the mining, U.S. Navy divers recovered other mines in the area. When the serial numbers were found to match those of mines seized along with the Iran Ajr the previous September, U.S. military officials planned a retaliatory operation against Iranian targets in the Persian Gulf.

According to Bradley Peniston, the attack by the U.S. helped pressure Iran to agree to a ceasefire with Iraq later that summer, ending the eight-year conflict between the Persian Gulf neighbors.[3]

On 6 November 2003, the International Court of Justice ruled that "the actions of the United States of America against Iranian oil platforms on 19 October 1987 (Operation Nimble Archer) and 18 April 1988 (Operation Praying Mantis) cannot be justified as measures necessary to protect the essential security interests of the United States of America." However, the International Court of Justice dismissed Iran's claim that the attack by United States Navy was a breach of the 1955 Treaty of Amity between the two countries as it only pertained to vessels, not platforms.[4]

This battle was the largest of the five major U.S. surface engagements since the Second World War, which also include the Battle of Chumonchin Chan during the Korean War, the Gulf of Tonkin incident and the Battle of Dong Hoi during the Vietnam War, and the Action in the Gulf of Sidra in 1986. It also marked the U.S. Navy's first exchange of anti-ship missiles with opposing ships and the only occasion since World War II on which the US Navy sank a major surface combatant.

By the end of the operation, U.S. air and surface units had sunk, or severely damaged, half of Iran's operational fleet.

 

[Hullbilly]

We should probably leave military operations, strategy and objectives to the experts like squeegee and his crew.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Red Lines...

 

[regor]

 

[Andy B.]

It's so hilarious because its the truth!!!

 

[HotRod82]

Absent dropping a nuclear bomb, which the US will not do, the US has no practical way to engage in a war with Iran that has clear objectives that are 1) achievable; 2) measurable; 3) does not de-stabilize the Middle East even greater than it is now; and 4) ends the regime that is in power in Iran now.

Iran is fully aware the US can not start a war with Iran and "win it" by an "common sense" measure.

Just ask Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

And Iran knows this clearly.

Iran has been put in a position where they have no choice but to do tit for tat with the US, until such time as the US administration changes or China, Russia and the EU sets up an alternative to the SWIFT system so that those nations can return to oil purchases with Iran and for those still agreeing with the JCPOA, meet their economic and trade obligations under it.

Otherwise, the current US policy which prevents other sovereign nations from fulfilling their obligations under the JCPOA, gives Iran the international right to enrich uranium to weapons grade levels and finish their nuclear program which others would prefer not to give to Iran.

So it is tit for tat buying time until other nations can get away from the US Dollar as the international reserve currency so that they will never again have to be held hostage to Trump or any future US President's whims and impulses.

Tit for tat with Trump in office? No effing way. Iran is lucky the drone was unmanned.....I'd bet a stack of bills if today's event resulted in a dead US pilot, missiles would already be raining down on the Mullahs.

IMO - we don't need to invade Iran to "win". Trump has been winning this chess game with pressure around the edges and Iran is cracking. First the oil tankers, now the drone, I'd bet they are going to keep pushing then play victim when Trump starts the missile strikes. These people are third world savages that don't believe in Women's rights and throw homosexuals off 10 story buildings, they deserve everything they get.....Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Maybe the US goes in and softens them up then tells the Saudis to go in and take over? Those two are already fighting in Yemen, so it isn't much of a stretch.....

 

[wallnutz]

I would hire the Israelis, they would take care of it for cheap.

 

[530RL]

Tit for tat with Trump in office? No effing way. Iran is lucky the drone was unmanned.....I'd bet a stack of bills if today's event resulted in a dead US pilot, missiles would already be raining down on the Mullahs.

IMO - we don't need to invade Iran to "win". Trump has been winning this chess game with pressure around the edges and Iran is cracking. First the oil tankers, now the drone, I'd bet they are going to keep pushing then play victim when Trump starts the missile strikes. These people are third world savages that don't believe in Women's rights and throw homosexuals off 10 story buildings, they deserve everything they get.....Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Maybe the US goes in and softens them up then tells the Saudis to go in and take over? Those two are already fighting in Yemen, so it isn't much of a stretch.....

You mean like Trump has cleaned up in N. Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? And how he has cleaned up in Palestine?

Tiny little countries with tiny military capabilities compared to Iran?

We’ve been raining missles and bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq for almost two decades. How’s that coming? Mission accomplished?

 

[SBMech]

You mean like Trump has cleaned up in N. Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? And how he has cleaned up in Palestine?

Tiny little countries with tiny military capabilities compared to Iran?

We’ve been raining missles and bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq for almost two decades. How’s that coming? Mission accomplished?

We've done nothing like "raining down missiles" on any country ever since WW2, and even then there was a fuckton of red tape binding every action.

If we ever were allowed to take the gloves off, no country could stand against the USA. Unleash the full force of America's Fury? Without even using nukes we'd make it a barren wasteland.

P.S. your spellcheck needs an update.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Tiny little countries with tiny military capabilities compared to Iran?

That's funny...the United States could take out the entire Iranian Navy in less than 24 hours.
But what is even funnier, is watching you "Losers" condemn any and all things related to our President Trump.
Just can't help yourself can you?

 

[Hullbilly]

You mean like Trump has cleaned up in N. Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? And how he has cleaned up in Palestine?

Tiny little countries with tiny military capabilities compared to Iran?

We’ve been raining missles and bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq for almost two decades. How’s that coming? Mission accomplished?

Clueless as usual...Stick to corporate law and backing looser political whores.

 

[HotRod82]

You mean like Trump has cleaned up in N. Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria? And how he has cleaned up in Palestine?

Tiny little countries with tiny military capabilities compared to Iran?

We’ve been raining missles and bombs on Afghanistan and Iraq for almost two decades. How’s that coming? Mission accomplished?

First and foremost, let me state I'm the most anti-war person you will ever meet. I hate GWB (and the congress at the time) with a passion for getting us into the mess that is Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc. Has Trump cleaned up in the greater middle east? YES! where is ISIS today? North Korea? YES! so far anyways.....I haven't seen missiles over Japan headed for Hawaii lately so that is a win in my book. The US CANNOT "win" in the ME by traditional standards. Impossible. Again, these people are savages that shit in the street, we are not going to turn them into Americans, they are hopeless as a society. The GWB narrative that they would embrace US style democracy was a pipe dream from the get go....My definition of "win" in the ME at this point would be to leave with the exception of small special ops units to monitor what is going on there and frankly to call out airstrike targets. I don't think the US military should be there without equal numbers of European troops and equipment. The ME is as big if not bigger problem for them, why are we again footing the bill? We're getting to the point where we don't really need their oil anymore......

 

[ridebig]

The Trump administration's withdrawal from the Iranian accord (JCPOA) of which he certainly had the right to do, coupled with the Trump administration's insistence that other sovereign nations should be precluded from holding up their end of the Iranian accord which seems like an attack on their sovereign rights, gives the Iranian regime no option but to either capitulate or fight.

So the Iran regime really has no other practical choice but to do what they are doing.

No choice lol

 

[ridebig]

Absent dropping a nuclear bomb, which the US will not do, the US has no practical way to engage in a war with Iran that has clear objectives that are 1) achievable; 2) measurable; 3) does not de-stabilize the Middle East even greater than it is now; and 4) ends the regime that is in power in Iran now.

Iran is fully aware the US can not start a war with Iran and "win it" by an "common sense" measure.

Just ask Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria.

And Iran knows this clearly.

Iran has been put in a position where they have no choice but to do tit for tat with the US, until such time as the US administration changes or China, Russia and the EU sets up an alternative to the SWIFT system so that those nations can return to oil purchases with Iran and for those still agreeing with the JCPOA, meet their economic and trade obligations under it.

Otherwise, the current US policy which prevents other sovereign nations from fulfilling their obligations under the JCPOA, gives Iran the international right to enrich uranium to weapons grade levels and finish their nuclear program which others would prefer not to give to Iran.

So it is tit for tat buying time until other nations can get away from the US Dollar as the international reserve currency so that they will never again have to be held hostage to Trump or any future US President's whims and impulses.

I don’t believe the dollar will be replaced. Liberal agenda lol

 

[SNiC Jet]

 

[530RL]

No choice lol

What would you do if you were them? What do you think a person like Trump would do if he was President of Iran being pushed around like that?

I don’t believe the dollar will be replaced. Liberal agenda lol

I agree it will take decades to replace. But the process for payment alternatives due to the withdrawal from the JCPOA will accelerate it. It’s rapidly happening daily and there are incredible incentives to accelerate the process from both our allies in the EU and our adversaries in China, Russia, India and Pakistan. The largest of economies have a huge incentive now.

 

[SNiC Jet]

What do you think a person like Trump would do if he was President of Iran being pushed around like that?

If he has any sense "like Trump"...... he would reach out to the opposition and seek a peaceful resolve because otherwise, he knows he is "all in" for an old fashion U.S. ass kicking.....

 

[brgrcru]

What would you do if you were them? What do you think a person like Trump would do if he was President of Iran being pushed around like that?

Not do what they are doing .
Irans people are screaming for another way to live, then being ruled by those fucking terrorist mullahs...
Trump prez of Iran MIGA .
Easy .
Next ?

 

[530RL]

If he has any sense "like Trump"...... he would reach out to the opposition and seek a peaceful resolve because otherwise, he knows he is "all in" for an old fashion U.S. ass kicking.....

I’ve spent time in that part of the world doing business and the mistake Americans and other Western societies always make is that they think that they have the upper hand, they think the other side “knows” that they are going to be beat.

Fact is they have been sustaining attacks on their commerce, religion, way of life and their right to self determination for a century before America even existed, and they have in no way come to the same conclusion that you have.

And the failure by nations to recognize this throughout history, is exactly why the Middle East has withstood countless invasions and attempts to conquer them and demand their subjugation.

The ball keeps bouncing, yet some just don’t get that history repeats itself over and over and over.

 

[530RL]

.........I don't think the US military should be there without equal numbers of European troops and equipment.........

Major European Countries want to stay in the JCPOA. Leaving the JCPOA by Trump is the direct cause of the current kerfuffle.

Why would major European Countries want to send troops against their self interest and support the US fucking up a deal they support and have the right to support?

I don’t get your point here? It makes no sense for them to send troops against their self interest?

 

[RVR SWPR]

No problem,in good hands.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Note that the news reports are now saying the IRCG shot down the drone, not the Iranian government. IRGC are testing Trump and trying goad Trump and the US into a response so they have an excuse to attack other US interests in the ME. IRGC’s whole deal is down with Trump and down with the USA.

Note that none of the other ME countries that had an Iranian missle flying through their airspace are up in arms.

 

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Iran–U.S. RQ-170 incident
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Images of the RQ-170 Sentinel taken from a US Army recognition manual
On 5 December 2011, an American Lockheed Martin RQ-170 Sentinel unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) was captured by Iranian forces near the city of Kashmar in northeastern Iran. The Iranian government announced that the UAV was brought down by its cyberwarfare unit which commandeered the aircraft and safely landed it, after initial reports from Western news sources disputedly claimed that it had been "shot down".[1] The United States government initially denied the claims but later President Obama acknowledged that the downed aircraft was a US drone and requested that Iran return it.[

 

[wallnutz]

Major European Countries want to stay in the JCPOA. Leaving the JCPOA by Trump is the direct cause of the current kerfuffle.

Why would major European Countries want to send troops against their self interest and support the US fucking up a deal they support and have the right to support?

I don’t get your point here? It makes no sense for them to send troops against their self interest?

Maybe I am naive here, but isn't Iran breaking the treaty with the other countries? Just because we pulled out doesn't make it ok for them to say screw you to the other countries in the JCPOA. They would be breaking the treaty, so why wouldn't they be with us? I think their self interest turns to protecting themselves against a nuclear threat from a rouge nation.

 

[SNiC Jet]

Maybe I am naive here, but isn't Iran breaking the treaty with the other countries? Just because we pulled out doesn't make it ok for them to say screw you to the other countries in the JCPOA. They would be breaking the treaty, so why wouldn't they be with us? I think their self interest turns to protecting themselves against a nuclear threat from a rouge nation.

Treaties don't mean shit to the likes of Iran...never did ...never will....peeps like 530 are too naive to understand and accept this reality. Must be because it has something to do with religion.....which is totally over their heads

 

[SNiC Jet]

I’ve spent time in that part of the world doing business......

Well give Mr Oracle a fuckin cookie....Big GD Deal.... is this supposed to have any relevance whatsoever?

Fact is they have been sustaining attacks on their commerce, religion, way of life and their right to self determination for a century before America even existed, and they have in no way come to the same conclusion that you have.

And the failure by nations to recognize this throughout history, is exactly why the Middle East has withstood countless invasions and attempts to conquer them and demand their subjugation.

The ball keeps bouncing, yet some just don’t get that history repeats itself over and over and over.

Are you attempting to make some kind of a point here ^^^^^? Wake up and smell the coffee....It's a New Day Snowflake! They are fuckin with the wrong people...that is with the exception of you.

 

[was thatguy]

Maybe I am naive here, but isn't Iran breaking the treaty with the other countries? Just because we pulled out doesn't make it ok for them to say screw you to the other countries in the JCPOA. They would be breaking the treaty, so why wouldn't they be with us? I think their self interest turns to protecting themselves against a nuclear threat from a rouge nation.

“Trump bad”...
That’s what you gotta understand when the haters post.

 

[wallnutz]

“Trump bad”...
That’s what you gotta understand when the haters post.

Oh, I know that.

 

[was thatguy]

Oh, I know that.

Yeah.
It doesn’t matter if it’s one sentence or a rambling 6 paragraph diatribe, that’s what it it boils down to.

 

[stokerwhore]

ok. I have a question since this treaty business came up again. What did the U.S. gain from that treaty? I'll wait.

 

[530RL]

Maybe I am naive here, but isn't Iran breaking the treaty with the other countries? Just because we pulled out doesn't make it ok for them to say screw you to the other countries in the JCPOA. They would be breaking the treaty, so why wouldn't they be with us? I think their self interest turns to protecting themselves against a nuclear threat from a rouge nation.

Iran as well as the other participants want the deal to remain in place. The US has said that anyone who upholds their end of the deal, such as buying oil and other economic parts of the deal will be sanctioned by the US.

The US has made it a policy to interfere with other nations from fulfilling their obligations which they would like to do under the JCPOA.

This kerfuffle is entirely the Trump administrations making. As I previously stated, the Trump administration is giving Iran no choice but to break the deal, exceed enrichment caps and enrichment levels. It was an action by the Administration without a strategy other than Iran will cave, they have to.

How do you think Trump would respond on behalf of the US if some other country told us what treaties we could honor and what treaties we could not honor. He’d tell them to go pound sand.

Are you attempting to make some kind of a point here ^^^^^? Wake up and smell the coffee....It's a New Day Snowflake! They are fuckin with the wrong people...that is with the exception of you.

LOL,

Let’s see.

N. Korea is farther along in their program than when he took office, Iraq is a continuing mess costing us a hundred billion a year, Afghanistan well that has higher troop levels once again, the Syrian government is still using chemical weapons on its civilians despite Trump’s threats, Russia is doing as they wish in the ME to include daily bombing campaigns and Iran just bombed 6 tankers and shot down a US asset.

Yep, it’s a new day alright. They sure are afraid of the “wrong people”.

It will be tit for tat. Iran will not back down, for if they do, they are out of power.

 

[HotRod82]

Major European Countries want to stay in the JCPOA. Leaving the JCPOA by Trump is the direct cause of the current kerfuffle.

Why would major European Countries want to send troops against their self interest and support the US fucking up a deal they support and have the right to support?

I don’t get your point here? It makes no sense for them to send troops against their self interest?

My point is a stable ME is very much in their best interest. Keeping millions of illegal aliens out of Europe is in their best interest as well. I don't get how Europe claims to still be in the JCPOA when the headlines last week were " Iran to exceed the enriched Uranium limits set by the JCPOA". So according to literally dozens of news outlets Iran is breaking the treaty as we speak but you claim Europe is still abiding by the agreement? I would bet my entire net worth Iran didn't stop their Nuke development for one second after the JCPOA was signed. Aren't the Russians involved in monitoring the Uranium stockpile? Gee what could go wrong there?

 

[regor]

How do you think Trump would respond on behalf of the US if some other country told us what treaties we could honor and what treaties we could not honor. He’d tell them to go pound sand.

It's the price you pay when you're backed by the big dog and the dog pays the majority of the bills......................but you knew that already.

You RINO's have no spine and it's the reason you suck in elections and why the Tea Party destroyed your sorry asses.

McStain could see it coming and it's why he partnered with Obama to have the IRS attempt to stop us. You know, that hero you speak of.

Are your thirsty Johnny?

 

[530RL]

My point is a stable ME is very much in their best interest.

Which is why 7 major countries signed the JCPOA and 6 would like it upheld.

This has nothing to do with Iran or the JCPOA, it has to do with the reality that Trump and his supporters think that anything that Obama did was wrong even if 6 other major Countries disagree.

It’s just hate, pure and simple hate by Trump supporters of Obama and any action he undertook. Obama bad, scrap anything Obama did.........