Iran says black boxes from doomed Ukrainian flight were damaged, some memo

[spectras only]

Yeah right. No wonder Iran didn't want to release the black boxes. They needed to erase some data and do some damage to the boxes. They don't want to loose face they might have fucked up.They were quick to say, immediately, mechanical failure and such caused the crash, with no contact or mayday call received.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrai...black-boxes-damaged-iranian-investigators-say

 

[HB2Havasu]

They were damaged when the Surface to Air Missile hit the 737, lol

 

[mash on it]

They were damaged when the Surface to Air Missile hit the 737, lol

And then when the 737 collided into the earth.

Dan'l

 

[K-DOG]

It does look like Iran had something to do with the crash but it is odd that they would do it with so many Iranians on board. I think there was 82.

 

[Keymyster]

Didn't see that coming.

 

[02HoWaRd26]

It does look like Iran had something to do with the crash but it is odd that they would do it with so many Iranians on board. I think there was 82.

They kill their own people for breakfast, why would them being on a plane stop them.

 

[Bigbore500r]

I don’t think they took it down intentionally, probably mistook it for a threat during the commotion of their retaliation

 

[JD D05]

I don’t think they took it down intentionally, probably mistook it for a threat during the commotion of their retaliation

If you were a passenger and knew missiles are buzzing around you staying on the plane?

 

[Carrera205]

I don’t think they took it down intentionally, probably mistook it for a threat during the commotion of their retaliation

This, It was dark, they have old equipment and they were sitting on a knifes edge waiting for something. Most importantly they know when USA comes in we hit something and hit it hard. All it takes is one bad call in fear. Look at the battle of Los Angeles. Perfect example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

 

[RiverDave]

I don’t think they took it down intentionally, probably mistook it for a threat during the commotion of their retaliation

This

 

[pronstar]

If you were a passenger and knew missiles are buzzing around you staying on the plane?

As opposed to bailing out of it?


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[Boat 405]

They just confirmed it was shot down by a SAM. Wow. Just no fucks given. And the media is silent about killing civilian because Iran did it....

 

[JD D05]

As opposed to bailing out of it?


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Well ya prior to takeoff

 

[WhatExit?]

'Highly likely' Iran shot down Ukrainian airliner: US official
U.S. intelligence is confident Iran painted the plane with radar before firing.

It's "highly likely" that the Ukrainian passenger plane that crashed Wednesday morning in Iran, killing all 176 on board, was shot down by Iran, a U.S. official told ABC News.

The crash was just hours after Iran had launched more than 20 missiles at U.S. military facilities in Iraq, which fueled speculation the plane might have been shot down inadvertently by the Iranian military. Those missiles were fired at U.S. military sites in Iraq in retaliation for a drone strike that killed one of Iran's top generals.

U.S. intelligence is confident that Iran painted the Ukrainian airliner with radar and fired two surface-to-air missiles that brought down the aircraft, a U.S. official told ABC News.

The same assessment later was made by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

Rescue teams recover debris from a field after a Ukrainian plane carrying 176 passengers crashed near Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital Tehran early in the morning on Jan. 8, 2020

"We have intelligence from multiple sources, including our allies and our own intelligence. The evidence indicates that the plane was shot down by an Iranian surface-to-air missile," Trudeau told reporters on Thursday.

"This may well have been unintentional," he added. "This new information reinforces the need for a thorough investigation into this matter."

President Donald Trump said earlier in the day at the White House that he didn't know whether the airliner had been shot down by Iran, but "I have my suspicions."

"Somebody could have made a mistake on the other side," Trump said. "I have a feeling that something very terrible happened, very devastating."

A child's shoe lies at the scene of a Ukrainian airliner that crashed shortly after take-off near Imam Khomeini airport in the Iranian capital Tehran, Jan. 8, 2019.

The type of surface-to-air missile used was not disclosed by Trudeau or the U.S. official, but photos taken at the crash scene that have appeared on social media seemed to show the remnants of a Russian-made TOR missile. NATO identifies this air defense system as the SA-15.

Iranian officials were quick to blame the crash on a technical problem and rejected that the aircraft could have been struck by a missile.

"The engine had caught fire. If the reason of the crash was missile, then it would explode in the sky. But the fire was in the plane engine and the pilot's attempt to control the plane was unsuccessful," Qassim Biniaz, a communications chief at the Iranian Ministry of Roads and Transport, told the state news agency IRN shortly after the crash.

 

[BONER]

They found the Missile Head in the wreckage. Sad deal, lots of innocent People just got smoked.

 

[2Driver]

Those looked like Homeywell boxes and I highly doubt the data cant be recovered.

Video showed holes in the body that matched other shot downed aircraft and there was no action or comments from the cockpit. Everything is fine and then nothing.

 

[HitIt]

Video of plane being shot down:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/video/iran-plane-missile.html

 

[AZMIDLYF]

 

[sirbob]

I don’t think they took it down intentionally, probably mistook it for a threat during the commotion of their retaliation

Agree - Just goes to show the highly trained elite military cant tell WTF they are looking at on a screen or have the tech to tell them what kind of aircraft it was.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Agree - Just goes to show the highly trained elite military cant tell WTF they are looking at on a screen or have the tech to tell them what kind of aircraft it was.

Crazy thing is, we did the same thing in '88 and shot down an Iranian airliner during a period of military escalation. That's probably why the US isn't hammering them on this incident, and probably won't once the facts come out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

 

[Carlson-jet]

I couldn't get the NYT vid to work so here is a youtube version of the same thing. It happens in the first few seconds.

 

[rrrr]

Photos on news websites show aircraft parts, for instance the vertical stabilizer, with puncture holes from the exploding missile warhead.

 

[spectras only]

That's a bit harsh! There are some decent people in Iran, in Canada and the US. It's like saying, any Iranian descent on RDP could be suspect. I'm sure there are sleeper cells in the US and Canada, best we can do is be vigilant.
Young guy who was in same HS as my son is one of the victims. BTW, I was born and raised in a former commie country, no one know's more about what the decent people in Iran feel towards their fucked up leadership.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I couldn't get the NYT vid to work so here is a youtube version of the same thing. It happens in the first few seconds.

You can see the tail fire trace right to the plane - Im sure they were trigger happy that night.

this happens in conflict zones - like when the USS Vincennes shot down the Iran air 665, and MH17

Well see how they respond -If they take a high road they will come off quite differently than if they deny and try to cover it up.

 

[Riverbound]

That's a bit harsh! There are some decent people in Iran, in Canada and the US. It's like saying, any Iranian decent on RDP could be suspect. I'm sure there are sleeper cells in the US and Canada, best we can do is be vigilant.
Young guy who was in same HS as my son is one of the victims. BTW, I was born and raised in a former commie country, no one know's more about what the decent people in Iran feel towards their fucked up leadership.

Exactly.....

 

[rrrr]

This photo was taken at the crash site. It's obviously the seeker nose of a Russian Tor-15 9M331 anti-aircraft missile. The Tor system was sold to Iran in 2005.

A photo of a Tor missile launch makes the part above easily identifiable.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Crazy thing is, we did the same thing in '88 and shot down an Iranian airliner during a period of military escalation. That's probably why the US isn't hammering them on this incident, and probably won't once the facts come out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Reagan apologized formally, and the united states paid restitution.

The world should expect no less from those guilty of the same.

UD

 

[Bigbore500r]

Reagan apologized formally, and the united states paid restitution.

The world should expect no less from those guilty of the same.

UD

They can pay the world with Obama's money!

 

[Uncle Dave]

They can pay the world with Obama's money!

As much as I dont like the Iranian Government that money was actually theirs and was seized/frozen during sanctions.

Should Obama have given it back - I don't think so. Making givingit back contingent on that scam of an agreement was ridiculous-

Was it their money - yes it was.

UD

 

[Bigbore500r]

As much as I dont like the Iranian Government that money was actually theirs and was seized/frozen during sanctions.

Should Obama have given it back - I don't think so. Making givingit back contingent on that scam of an agreement was ridiculous-

Was it their money - yes it was.

UD

It's like giving your crackhead brother on a bender his $3500 inheritance. Hmmm....maybe now isn't the best time

 

[sirbob]

 

[boatpi]

 

[stephenkatsea]

When the Shah was still the leader of Iran military equipment was purchased from the US by Iran. 400 million was paid up front by Iran for that equipment. Then the Shah was over thrown and the US opted to not provide the previously purchased equipment to the new regime. The 400 million was “frozen” and a ridiculous interest agreement was placed on it. That interest accrued for over 35 years. It was the 400 mil plus interest that was paid to Iran by the Obama admin before they left office. Believe it was Carter who originally entered into the dumb assed interest agreement. Have to wonder if any US defense contractors received any portion of the original 400 mil (tool up costs, etc)? But, it was the US tax payers who provided much of the billions later given to Iran.

Making this entire Shit Show even worse, the now billions paid to Iran by Obama, were actually also a part of the "Nuclear Agreement" entered into to with Iran by Obama. Also known as the JCPOA. Trump has since told Iran where they can put that agreement.

 

[Outdrive1]

The second it went down I think the world knew how it happened. None of this comes as a surprise. Funny how we can track their radar lock and the missiles that shot down the plane and yet they can’t tell it’s a fucking civilian aircraft. Their governments incompetence is astounding. How about if you’re going to try and start a war you ground civilian aircraft in your airspace. Good job Iran on killing more of your own people and more civilians. [emoji849] I honestly can’t believe in this place and time in history we are still fighting and killing each other over what?? When will the human race ever evolve past this bullshit?


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[HCP3]

I bet flights to Tehran are cheap right now.

Too soon?

 

[4Waters]

I bet flights to Tehran are cheap right now.

Too soon?

$99 round trip

 

[River Runnin]

Send the Dem house there ONE Way! ... And let SAM know they're coming!

 

[Yellowboat]

I bet flights to Tehran are cheap right now.

Too soon?

Yep, but the outbound flights are $$$$$

 

[just_floatin]

Looks like the evidence was removed from the crash site today. Iran also claimed it is scientifically impossible their missiles shot down the airbus. The plot thickens.

 

[rrrr]

Here's another photo of the Tor-15 missile seeker head. It's beyond obvious this is what brought down the aircraft.

The reason the head is intact is because the missile doesn't hit its target and explode. A proximity fuse detonates the missile when the target is detected within a preset distance. The missile is powered by a solid fuel rocket motor, and the body consists of an aluminum jacket surrounding hardened steel rods. The missile's explosive charge spreads the fragmented rods in a large circular pattern. The shrapnel penetrates the aircraft structure, and damage to flight surfaces under aerodynamic loads cause catastrophic failure of the airframe.

The explosion and fire visible in videos of the shootdown were caused by breached fuel tanks. The aircraft was carrying significant fuel for its planned 1,500 mile flight, and when the atomized fuel contacted engine parts operating in excess of 2,500° F, the result was obvious.

 

[rrrr]

Tomorrow's news tonight:

I fully expect stories will be published tomorrow that claim President Trump is responsible for the deaths of 176 innocent people.

 

[spectras only]

IRAN
Published 1 hour ago
Last Update 26 mins ago
Iran reportedly invites Boeing to help investigate crash, blames US for 'psychological operation'

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-invites-boeing-investigate-ukrainian-plane-crash-176-killed

 

[rrrr]

Tomorrow's news tonight:

I fully expect stories will be published tomorrow that claim President Trump is responsible for the deaths of 176 innocent people.

Well, I was wrong. It's already happened. This is California Democratic Representative Jackie Speier, a member of the House Armed Services Committee. What a piece of shit.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1215431109925900288

 

[spectras only]

Grieving Iranian-Canadians gather in Toronto in memory of the victims of #PS752 downed by IRGC missiles. The crowd chanted death to Khamenei.

Anyone with a cellphone can monitor commercial flights in real time on Flightradar24.
If the Iranians used the app, they could have seen the plane taking off at 3900 feet ASL, steadily climbing to 8000 away from Tehran. No US fighter plane was present at the Tehran Airport to worry about.
What kind of radar system they run over there? I believe the poor souls on the doomed plane were sacrificial lambs used by the Ayatollah.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The second it went down I think the world knew how it happened. None of this comes as a surprise. Funny how we can track their radar lock and the missiles that shot down the plane and yet they can’t tell it’s a fucking civilian aircraft. Their governments incompetence is astounding. How about if you’re going to try and start a war you ground civilian aircraft in your airspace. Good job Iran on killing more of your own people and more civilians. [emoji849] I honestly can’t believe in this place and time in history we are still fighting and killing each other over what?? When will the human race ever evolve past this bullshit?


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The answer to your question is never.

 

[TPC]

We’ve been at war with Iran since their revolution.

Iran wants to control Iraq and it’s vast oil reserves.

Democracy runs on oil.

The worlds Democracies be seriously threatened if Theocracy Iran controls Iraqs oil.

Even fuckballs like Trudeau clearly understand this.

Hence we’re painting Iran’s military.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

The second it went down I think the world knew how it happened. None of this comes as a surprise. Funny how we can track their radar lock and the missiles that shot down the plane and yet they can’t tell it’s a fucking civilian aircraft. Their governments incompetence is astounding. How about if you’re going to try and start a war you ground civilian aircraft in your airspace. Good job Iran on killing more of your own people and more civilians. [emoji849] I honestly can’t believe in this place and time in history we are still fighting and killing each other over what?? When will the human race ever evolve past this bullshit?


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[DrunkenSailor]

My father in law is a former seal. He told me last night that the anti aircraft launcher was set to automatic after the missles were launched at our bases in anticipation of retaliation. Sad deal.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Iran is using bulldozers at the Ukrainian plane crash site, which could make it impossible to find out what really happened


https://www.businessinsider.co.za/i...QQIXbgeKm3wijV90rHbp7akCUTY_KW6NkVweLUPhSF744

 

[DaveC]

Actually more like your crackhead brother killed someone was found guilty ordered to pay $3500 in restitution then the restitution was repaid to him years later.

Hey it was his money originally

It's like giving your crackhead brother on a bender his $3500 inheritance. Hmmm....maybe now isn't the best time