Impact of California fires?

[HNL2LHC]

I don't think any of the fire victims will end up on the street

I was at a motel last night. Tracking someone. The motel was full. Along with every other one in that area. The detective I have been talking with says they are subsidized by LA city. Mostly criminals and addicts that have been released from prison with no where to go. I didn't ask the manager how much they get per room. Ended up talking to him for 30 minutes. They won't release names or acknowledge if a criminal is staying there as it violates there rights. He did tell me the police are there all the time. And he would gladly help them for my situation.

There is another new building they just built not far from it. That houses the same. Small 1 bedroom units. But with state subsidizing it. They pay $80 a month.

With these types of handouts why would these criminals and drug addicts ever get a job? They make it to easy for them.

In another thread I mentioned the 2k units being built. Half of them are low income subsidized. One of them the builder is funding himself. The inspector wss telling me he has to build a certain amount of low income to get his other developments approved. The state requires each city to build them. So in return for him building them they allow him to develop other properties with what he wants with quick approval. Nothing like adding low income houses to a nice area.

Some thing in Hawaii for each new high end condo built the developer has to build low income units. One building tried to do it within one building. Lower floors low income higher market value. There were two different entrances. The populace went crazy stating it was racist and they were segregating and everything else wrong in the world. LOL. They ended up changing the design.

Oh and what about all those ADUs texting the services in CA? That probaly is not helping with fire safety and resources.

 

[NicPaus]

Some thing in Hawaii for each new high end condo built the developer has to build low income units. One building tried to do it within one building. Lower floors low income higher market value. There were two different entrances. The populace went crazy stating it was racist and they were segregating and everything else wrong in the world. LOL. They ended up changing the design.

Oh and what about all those ADUs texting the services in CA? That probaly is not helping with fire safety and resources.

Job I am at now. They bought the church behind. City says need low income on part of it. Developers wanted to make 12 nice homes. Now it will probably be a apartment low income and nice condos. They need to squeeze in as many nice ones as possible to make a profit as the low income housing takes so long to recover your investment.


ADUs were supposed to help with the housing shortage. But I don't think it does at all. There is way more apartments being built for that. Regular and low income.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Job I am at now. They bought the church behind. City says need low income on part of it. Developers wanted to make 12 nice homes. Now it will probably be a apartment low income and nice condos. They need to squeeze in as many nice ones as possible to make a profit as the low income housing takes so long to recover your investment.


ADUs were supposed to help with the housing shortage. But I don't think it does at all. There is way more apartments being built for that. Regular and low income.

Howard Hughes is building 20ish building in Honolulu and they are taking care of the low end early so that they don’t have to pay as they go.

 

[callbob]

Maybe I should take my Winnebago out there and rent it for like 10 grand a month to some rich guy while he rebuilds and then give it to a homeless meth head

 

[RitcheyRch]

 

[Crazyhippy]

Safety in numbers. Really reach, influential numbers.

Did Charlie Harper's house in Malibu burn down?

Do you have any idea how much cocaine Charlie Sheen has done?







It's enough to kill 2 and a half men!

 

[~JM~]

Stopped at a local (AZ) Sprouts store today. The card reader asked if I wanted to donate to the LA Relief Fund.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Stopped at a local (AZ) Sprouts store today. The card reader asked if I wanted to donate to the LA Relief Fund.

Don't do it.

Pennies actually go to the cause. The rest gets kept by the fundraiser and its how they make their money. Its a total scam.

You'd be better off FedEx-ing a care package to a specific victim.

 

[EarpRider]

The impact of the CA fires will be @RiverDiva is about to make some money. Rich people who have the ability to move out of the state are gonna want out of CA and why not Havasu?

 

[kurtis500]

Curious to hear others thoughts.

Economic? Policies? Neighboring States? Etc...

Policies?

blame anyone straight and white. Then more of the same

 

[lbhsbz]

Stopped at a local (AZ) Sprouts store today. The card reader asked if I wanted to donate to the LA Relief Fund.

Someone posted up a gofundme for a buddy of mine who lost his house a few days ago in the Palisades fire....I was gonna throw a few grand his way until "checkout" when I saw the "gofundme tip" to be $380 on a $2000 donation. Fuck all that.

If you want your donation to do something productive....go see them in person and hand them cash to keep all the other leach hands out of it

 

[~JM~]

Don't do it.

Pennies actually go to the cause. The rest gets kept by the fundraiser and its how they make their money. Its a total scam.

You'd be better off FedEx-ing a care package to a specific victim.

Didn't even think about it. I know those collections are scams. Surprised to see it this quickly is all.

 

[johnnyC]

I wonder about all those ocean front homes along PCH that are gone. Will the Coastal Commission be able to drag those approvals out or not approve them at all? I see that as a taking of the owner's value....maybe they could drag out one owner's permission for ages, but with 200 owners....there would be a class action lawsuit.

It is going to be interesting to follow along with the progress.

those ocean front homes are going to be gone forever, the property is going to be condemed and the taken by the state to be returned to a natural state and for uninpeded public use just like the beach at the mouth of topanga canyon

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

The impact of the CA fires will be @RiverDiva is about to make some money. Rich people who have the ability to move out of the state are gonna want out of CA and why not Havasu?

Because it’s Havasu… lol

I bet they start moving to Newport, Newport Coast, and Laguna. Hopefully I’m wrong.

 

[HST4ME]

Can hardly wait for the inflated costs and shortages of building materials

 

[EarpRider]

Because it’s Havasu… lol

I bet they start moving to Newport, Newport Coast, and Laguna. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Maybe, but i sure as hell wouldn't get screwed over by California then go invest more money in California.

 

[MPHSystems]

Malibu will never be the same in our lifetime. It took years and years to get coastal commission approval to build or remodel anything on the water front. They’re fuckin NAZIS!!

You are 100% wrong about the coastal commission, I have been contracting along the coast for over 30 years and they are nothing like NAZIS. Nazis can not be bought off, the coastal commission plays to the highest bidder. The coastal commission is fascist

 

[FROGMAN524]

Maybe, but i sure as hell wouldn't get screwed over by California then go invest more money in California.

These are deep blue Dems we’re talking about, they’ll stay in California. They never learn.

 

[FROGMAN524]

I’m reassessing my ability to fend off a wall of fire, and what my neighbors think of my 40-50’ pines…. I keep them thinned out, but not everyone are doing the same in our area.

I was at 15th Ave and northern yesterday dumping some dirt for a buddies mom. She has an old growth acre lot. Looks like a fire hazard. Already had to remodel her house for almost 2 years after a large tree branch went through her roof and drug an overhead power line with it. The electricity fried the entire structure of the house so they had to rebuild from the foundation up. House never caught on fire.

 

[77charger]

Insurance is going to skyrocket as if wasn’t bad enough already. Homes will be rebuilt but will take time. Ones with money will go foward and done as quick as the process allows. Others will be dealing with insurance and finances be a couple years behind.

Other thing I see is devolpers will be buying 2-3 lots in a row and popping up condo or narrow single family homes 2-3 story’s. They are about putting as much into one lot as they can. Seen a lot done in south Bay Area.

 

[Orange Juice]

I was at 15th Ave and northern yesterday dumping some dirt for a buddies mom. She has an old growth acre lot. Looks like a fire hazard. Already had to remodel her house for almost 2 years after a large tree branch went through her roof and drug an overhead power line with it. The electricity fried the entire structure of the house so they had to rebuild from the foundation up. House never caught on fire.

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She probably needs them trimmed and fertilizer. Is that an irrigation lot?
Have all the trees thinned before the summer monsoons blow them down.
I’m doing mine every 10 years or so. Keeps them in good shape, and fewer leafs when they shed.

 

[FROGMAN524]

She probably needs them trimmed and fertilizer. Is that an irrigation lot?
Have all the trees thinned before the summer monsoons blow them down.
I’m doing mine every 10 years or so. Keeps them in good shape, and fewer leafs when they shed.

Yes she does flood it but I’m not sure how often and I think the branch came down during a wind storm couple years ago in a monsoon.

 

[Taboma]

I was at 15th Ave and northern yesterday dumping some dirt for a buddies mom. She has an old growth acre lot. Looks like a fire hazard. Already had to remodel her house for almost 2 years after a large tree branch went through her roof and drug an overhead power line with it. The electricity fried the entire structure of the house so they had to rebuild from the foundation up. House never caught on fire.

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I'm a bit confused by this statement " The electricity fried the entire structure of the house so they had to rebuild from the foundation up. House never caught on fire."
It fried and required a total rebuild but didn't catch fire ???? Huh ??

 

[FROGMAN524]

I'm a bit confused by this statement " The electricity fried the entire structure of the house so they had to rebuild from the foundation up. House never caught on fire."
It fried and required a total rebuild but didn't catch fire ???? Huh ??

Yeah it was interesting. I’ll try to get some pictures but the 50KV line or whatever made contact with the house roof structure and fried everything connected to the roof and walls. Insurance covered the gut and rebuild but she had to live in rental for almost two years.

The house did not catch fire

 

[TPC]

Hopefully the blue zones will turn red, when the figure out how badly they will be getting fucked!!!

They'll never change. It's the hate, denial, deflect and blame culture of Hollywood. Anyone WOKE'D up will never wake up.

 

[shintoooo]

I had a client call me right now because her realtor called her and told her he has a list of families that will pay her $15K for her home furnished. She lives in West Hollywood. I told her that's too low and so did her attorney. I think she can get $20K+ furnished to be honest. I'm seeing crappy homes in the valley listed for $15K now.

Then she said one of her friends lost their house in the palisades and they offered to just buy the house from her. She said it's worth $2million but her realtor says that she can probably get $2.6 million for it now furnished.

I gave her a breakdown of her taxes renting vs selling and she is really considering selling and moving. She's single and the house is paid off.

 

[Mandelon]

If I was an architect/builder in that area, I would try to get 5 or 6 approved house plans. Get those approved with the building department. Then just change the facade a little bit and build those plans over and over. Immediate approval, ready to go quickly.

 

[Meaney77]

I had a client call me right now because her realtor called her and told her he has a list of families that will pay her $15K for her home furnished. She lives in West Hollywood. I told her that's too low and so did her attorney. I think she can get $20K+ furnished to be honest. I'm seeing crappy homes in the valley listed for $15K now.

Then she said one of her friends lost their house in the palisades and they offered to just buy the house from her. She said it's worth $2million but her realtor says that she can probably get $2.6 million for it now furnished.

I gave her a breakdown of her taxes renting vs selling and she is really considering selling and moving. She's single and the house is paid off.

Not sure if its true or not and I dont know all of the details but I have heard that people are getting top dollar for rentals around Ventura from the last fire. Something crazy like ~$12K a month under a 2 year lease agreement and guaranteed money through fedral funding? And these homes that are renting are basic 3/2 ~1500 sq ft floor plans. Has anyone else heard anything about this?

 

[Taboma]

If I was an architect/builder in that area, I would try to get 5 or 6 approved house plans. Get those approved with the building department. Then just change the facade a little bit and build those plans over and over. Immediate approval, ready to go quickly.

One of the greatest initial challenges for many if not most of those losing their homes will be establishing the basis of their dwelling loss. In other words, in our case, before we knew how many dollars would be available to construct a new home, we had to know how much the insurance company was going to give us for the one we'd just lost.
In our case we got lucky. The spec builder who built our home in 1975 was still alive, lived nearby and was still active. Within two days following the fire, he'd left a note for us with his contact information. Just so happened he still had the original plans for our home.
His first step was to provide us a written proposal and quote for what it would cost him to build (Replace) our home in 2008, then itemize any Code, Efficiency, and known fire code upgrades separately, as those receive compensation over and above your basic policy limits.
That's what the insurance used to determine how much they were going to give us to rebuild with.
Arriving at that number and justifying it is the first major hurdle and in many respects is what determines most everything that follows.

Again, take pictures, lots and lots of pictures, counters, cabinets, floor covering, upgrades, everything. Don't waste a lot of time documenting landscaping, if you read your policies you'll find you'll get pennies on the dollar, you're going to eat shit on that beautiful yard.

Justification is power and your best weapon in this war for the almighty dollar you want and they don't want you to have.

 

[Racer56]

If I was an architect/builder in that area, I would try to get 5 or 6 approved house plans. Get those approved with the building department. Then just change the facade a little bit and build those plans over and over. Immediate approval, ready to go quickly.

Haha, I wish that is it how it works. LADBS is a Shit Show.

I've been building the same house on the same size lot for two different developer's I work for year's in the Palisades . The building permits take at least a year and every plan checker plan checks completely different. There is no such thing as a standard plan in LA unless it's an ADU.

The building permit requirements change so often in LA it's ridiculous. Every year there's a new agency to get an approval from or a requirement to comply with. As an example, just like properties close to the ocean have the coastal commission, properties within a certain distance of Mulholland have to go through "Mulholland Corridor " approval process before you can submit to the building department. This can take 2+ plus years and recently they decided not to allow fencing of properties to allow all wildlife to roam free. You can't make this shit up.

 

[Mini Kat]

SAD DEAL

Ain't n'body gots no time fer dat

Ain't n'body gots no time fer dat

scoopzapp.com

 

[Orange Juice]

Who’s the Big Bad Wolf

 

[wash11]

I refunded my first beef deposit to an Alta Dena customer yesterday that was scheduled for February 8th delivery. We've got a grip of customers with homes affected. Four orders confirmed canceled so far. I'm guessing as many as 12 orders to be cancelled in the coming weeks. Most are existing customers so no deposits to deal with thankfully. My problems from this fire are trivial compared to what these folks are going through, but it's a problem, nonetheless. When dealing with live animals and butcher appointments that have been planned 6 months in advance, last minute pivoting isn't easy. Upside is, wait times for beef just got really, really short

 

[whiteworks]

Haha, I wish that is it how it works. LADBS is a Shit Show.

I've been building the same house on the same size lot for two different developer's I work for year's in the Palisades . The building permits take at least a year and every plan checker plan checks completely different. There is no such thing as a standard plan in LA unless it's an ADU.

The building permit requirements change so often in LA it's ridiculous. Every year there's a new agency to get an approval from or a requirement to comply with. As an example, just like properties close to the ocean have the coastal commission, properties within a certain distance of Mulholland have to go through "Mulholland Corridor " approval process before you can submit to the building department. This can take 2+ plus years and recently they decided not to allow fencing of properties to allow all wildlife to roam free. You can't make this shit up.

I’ve been meeting with an assortment of different people to look at different ways that I/we may want to engage in the situation. In the immediate I am looking at creating a pathway for effected individuals to assist them with the process. Let’s call this role an owners rep, step one is to assess their insurance coverage, get them proper representation and negotiate the maximum amount of funding that they are entitled to. The attorneys are pretty good at maneuvering through this phase based on case law. They have the ability to migrate funds to different line items as well they can tap all available resources as a homeowners advocate.

Anyone that thinks Jake from State Farm is gonna show up with a proper check in hand that will cover the entire rebuild process with the first offer, is in for a surprise. Random adjusters are flying in from all over the country to work these claims, those initial offers will be so low it’s not even funny. Homeowners are going to need skilled representation for this phase, properly funding the rebuilds is critical and will make or break the rest of the process.

Below is a memo from the mayors office that outlines how this thing is starting to play out. I like puzzles, this is a big puzzle

If I am able to identify a critical path to success for all parties involved I will engage, I’m looking to create and provide value in this process for affected individuals. If the initial relationship does that then we will continue on to the next phases, at some point these folks will be qualified and properly funded for successful rebuilds, or they won’t

 

[Racer56]

I’ve been meeting with an assortment of different people to look at different ways that I/we may want to engage in the situation. In the immediate I am looking at creating a pathway for effected individuals to assist them with the process. Let’s call this role an owners rep, step one is to assess their insurance coverage, get them proper representation and negotiate the maximum amount of funding that they are entitled to. The attorneys are pretty good at maneuvering through this phase based on case law. They have the ability to migrate funds to different line items as well they can tap all available resources as a homeowners advocate.

Anyone that thinks Jake from State Farm is gonna show up with a proper check in hand that will cover the entire rebuild process with the first offer, is in for a surprise. Random adjusters are flying in from all over the country to work these claims, those initial offers will be so low it’s not even funny. Homeowners are going to need skilled representation for this phase, properly funding the rebuilds is critical and will make or break the rest of the process.

Below is a memo from the mayors office that outlines how this thing is starting to play out. I like puzzles, this is a big puzzle

If I am able to identify a critical path to success for all parties involved I will engage, I’m looking to create and provide value in this process for affected individuals. If the initial relationship does that then we will continue on to the next phases, at some point these folks will be qualified and properly funded for successful rebuilds, or they won’t View attachment 1469616 View attachment 1469617 View attachment 1469618 View attachment 1469619 View attachment 1469620 View attachment 1469621 View attachment 1469622 View attachment 1469623

The executive order looks great on paper. Let's see what actually happens in the field. There are some pretty aggressive timelines in the EO that the city is going to try and meet.

 

[Orange Juice]

I’ve been meeting with an assortment of different people to look at different ways that I/we may want to engage in the situation. In the immediate I am looking at creating a pathway for effected individuals to assist them with the process. Let’s call this role an owners rep, step one is to assess their insurance coverage, get them proper representation and negotiate the maximum amount of funding that they are entitled to. The attorneys are pretty good at maneuvering through this phase based on case law. They have the ability to migrate funds to different line items as well they can tap all available resources as a homeowners advocate.

Anyone that thinks Jake from State Farm is gonna show up with a proper check in hand that will cover the entire rebuild process with the first offer, is in for a surprise. Random adjusters are flying in from all over the country to work these claims, those initial offers will be so low it’s not even funny. Homeowners are going to need skilled representation for this phase, properly funding the rebuilds is critical and will make or break the rest of the process.

Below is a memo from the mayors office that outlines how this thing is starting to play out. I like puzzles, this is a big puzzle

If I am able to identify a critical path to success for all parties involved I will engage, I’m looking to create and provide value in this process for affected individuals. If the initial relationship does that then we will continue on to the next phases, at some point these folks will be qualified and properly funded for successful rebuilds, or they won’t View attachment 1469616 View attachment 1469617 View attachment 1469618 View attachment 1469619 View attachment 1469620 View attachment 1469621 View attachment 1469622 View attachment 1469623

Women own businesses……
Get your wife in the game.

 

[ChevelleSB406]

I agree with everything stated earlier in the thread, but I think we need to talk about the "shared burden" this whole area will be in, even if you are not directly effected, like me in Orange County. I will just say I am glad that I got my kitchen and bathroom remodels finished. This will be worse than COVID in terms of supply chain of products, and most importantly, skilled labor. If I was a contractor or a sub, I would start hitting the expensive button on everything these days, as there will be no shortage of work, and very wealthy people willing to pay whatever.

The thing that concerns me most is the younger generations, say high school and college. LIke those a bit earlier, the housing problem is only getting even more expensive, I have no clue how even an engineer or something making great money, freshly graduated, will be able to buy a boring/needed updating ranch home for over a million dollars. Let alone those that don't have that income behind them. There is nowhere for them to go that they would want to, except out of state. Yet another generation of kids living with their parents forever, and just living the teenage lifestyle of partying/not saving, and stating all these things as reasons to have the crap job, blow the paycheck, depend on mom, never do anything with themselves.

 

[NicPaus]

Took me 3 hours to schedule my inspection for tomorrow. Instead of 5 minutes. By next year it will be a nightmare.

 

[mbrown2]

The average home price up there is $4.6mm…. I’ve seen several people online just heading to their other house or renting a beach house. I think the vast majority will be fine financially.

Macro- Insurance companies leave or raise prices. I’m hoping they won’t insure new houses that aren’t built to withstand stuff like this.

That's my take as well... There will be some that will be impacted that may have had the house handed down through generations, but I don't buy the doom and gloom for at least the PP folks. I feel gutted for all the fire victims, but the big majority of those homes had insurance; many folks had secondary places and or the cash to rent something motel, airbnb ect....They will rebuild or someone with bucks will rebuild if they sell... This rebuild will move a lot faster than most that have impacted by fire as they have the means to. Its gonna be tough for the next year with the clean up and then it will start moving.

 

[lbhsbz]

Took me 3 hours to schedule my inspection for tomorrow. Instead of 5 minutes. By next year it will be a nightmare.

You should have sent them a copy of the letter from the Mayor.

 

[NicPaus]

You should have sent them a copy of the letter from the Mayor.

I will hand it the inspector tomorrow Lol

The red tape to get past a inspection is already ridiculous.

I need a generator so he can test the smoke detectors

I need public woks approval even though I don’t need a public works permit.

I need Lid to approve the rain barrel.

I need every material used on the job listed and green approved.

I need 3rd party hers testing report
Look at this beautiful water tank. 650 gallons of mosquito breeding water to be collected.

 

[lbhsbz]

I will hand it the inspector tomorrow Lol

The red tape to get past a inspection is already ridiculous.

I need a generator so he can test the smoke detectors

I need public woks approval even though I don’t need a public works permit.

I need Lid to approve the rain barrel.

I need every material used on the job listed and green approved.

I need 3rd party hers testing report
Look at this beautiful water tank. 650 gallons of mosquito breeding water to be collected.

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Meh, insure it and light it on fire....claim you coulda put it out had they approved the plumbing....its their fault because they drug their collective ass.

 

[Mandelon]

It took the County of Maui six months just to decide which landfill they would use for debris disposal from the Lahaina fire.

 

[Orange Juice]

It took the County of Maui six months just to decide which landfill they would use for debris disposal from the Lahaina fire.

California is not going to let all that garbage go directly to the land fill. It’s got to be sorted

 

[stephenkatsea]

Seeing reports which indicate SoCA fire departments are not provided with the status of water available to fight fires. Is that true?

 

[Taboma]

It took the County of Maui six months just to decide which landfill they would use for debris disposal from the Lahaina fire.

Well they're constrained by an ocean. We on the other hand have a lot of 3rd world states to the east and north east of us with barren landing just begging for hazardous waste.

 

[Racer56]

I will hand it the inspector tomorrow Lol

The red tape to get past a inspection is already ridiculous.

I need a generator so he can test the smoke detectors

I need public woks approval even though I don’t need a public works permit.

I need Lid to approve the rain barrel.

I need every material used on the job listed and green approved.

I need 3rd party hers testing report
Look at this beautiful water tank. 650 gallons of mosquito breeding water to be collected.

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Fyi, Starting this year LID is gone and you can get it removed from existing job's

 

[poncho]

Seeing reports which indicate SoCA fire departments are not provided with the status of water available to fight fires. Is that true?

Right from the beginning of this deal I thought why don't they have an inter departmental state of readiness system that updates all involved every 24 hours?
We have the computer power and the people to program them, with minimums set by each department everyone would know where they are weak at any given time.

 

[stephenkatsea]

It would be like, me as the captain of a ship, crossing the Pacific to or from Asia (which I’ve done many times) and not knowing how much fuel, groceries and spares we had on board. Ridiculous.

 

[poncho]

It would be like, me as the captain of a ship, crossing the Pacific to or from Asia (which I’ve done many times) and not knowing how much fuel, groceries and spares we had on board. Ridiculous.

Absolutely