I got a new gadget and it Is bad ass

[Boozer]

http://www.amazon.com/digiStream-Sm...Center/dp/B00FQXDJ22/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

What's the difference between the link you posted and this one? Is it the same thing? If so what's with the big price difference. Looks like you get everything for 215 on amazon compared to 280 the one you posted

I am going to try this one. http://www.amazon.com/G-Box-Midnigh...m_sbs_e_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ZDNP9CSMWZGSQM31N45

You have to program it yourself but you can use this guy and save the hassle of hunting everything down yourself. http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Your...=UTF8&qid=1409593373&sr=1-1&keywords=gbox+key

Here's a link to the keyboard remote. http://www.amazon.com/Hausbell-H7-W...compl_e_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1AFMRWFTSQRQWBNPPVY9

I think I'm going to go this route before messing with my Fire TV box.

 

[RiverDave]

http://www.amazon.com/digiStream-Sm...Center/dp/B00FQXDJ22/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

What's the difference between the link you posted and this one? Is it the same thing? If so what's with the big price difference. Looks like you get everything for 215 on amazon compared to 280 the one you posted

I am going to try this one. http://www.amazon.com/G-Box-Midnigh...m_sbs_e_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ZDNP9CSMWZGSQM31N45

You have to program it yourself but you can use this guy and save the hassle of hunting everything down yourself. http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Your...=UTF8&qid=1409593373&sr=1-1&keywords=gbox+key

Here's a link to the keyboard remote. http://www.amazon.com/Hausbell-H7-W...compl_e_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1AFMRWFTSQRQWBNPPVY9

I think I'm going to go this route before messing with my Fire TV box.

The one I posted actually licenses the 30 live TV channels (CNN, ESPN, ABC, NBC, CW, Anilmal Planet, etc... ) There is also some other things that it does differently, the interfaces are a lot more user friendly.. I will have Dave come on here and explain it if you want. The Digistream in the first post is what he used to sell, the new box is better.

RD

 

[IN AWE]

I am going to try this one. http://www.amazon.com/G-Box-Midnigh...m_sbs_e_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1ZDNP9CSMWZGSQM31N45

You have to program it yourself but you can use this guy and save the hassle of hunting everything down yourself. http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Your...=UTF8&qid=1409593373&sr=1-1&keywords=gbox+key

Here's a link to the keyboard remote. http://www.amazon.com/Hausbell-H7-W...compl_e_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1AFMRWFTSQRQWBNPPVY9

I think I'm going to go this route before messing with my Fire TV box.

You can do this same thing from your computer. I suggest you try XBMC first to see if you like it. From what I can tell you will not be able to get certain live channels like RD said. I have been messing around with it for a while and not looking as good as the one in the original post. You can also do it from an Iphone, Android phone and tablets also.

Also there are in app type hubs to replace everything that that Key can do.

 

[Boozer]

You can do this same thing from your computer. I suggest you try XBMC first to see if you like it. From what I can tell you will not be able to get certain live channels like RD said. I have been messing around with it for a while and not looking as good as the one in the original post. You can also do it from an Iphone, Android phone and tablets also.

Also there are in app type hubs to replace everything that that Key can do.

Well if the difference of $100 gets me local channels I don't mind shelling out the extra $100. As it stands I give the cable company over $200 a month for cable, it typically pushes $300 because of the monthly UFC and OnDemand movie rentals so if I gotta shell out an extra $100 per box to get all the NFL games I don't mind doing it. BUT if I can get the same content for $100 less why spend the extra $100?

Hopefully the guy will chime in soon and give us the details.

 

[BigdattyD]

How is the picture quality? Is there a delay?

Hey Eddie this is Dave with myfreecabletv.com

In response to your question, within XBMC there are many addons to choose from, some only offer one resolution such as 720 Standard Def (SD) but most offer you a choice between HD 1080 or SD 720 so picture quality is all in the eye of the beholder. Some people are just stuck on 1080 which will buffer if you either have slow download speeds and/or its the weekend and others will settle for less quality for fast reliable play (Like Me!) I personally watch all my TV Shows on GoTV in 720 SD Def, it looks great and I never have to worry about buffering issues.

During the week Monday through Thursday you can watch pretty much anything you want 1080 or 720 with tons of fast sources to choose from. However when Friday rolls around starting at around 4pm on Friday till 8pm and 2pm to 8pm on Saturday and Sunday is the busiest time throughout the world for XBMC and you should expect popular movies and TV Shows to buffer if you are trying to watch them in 1080.

Over all you just can't beat the unlimited amount of video content, live PPV events, Live Sports, On Demand Sports, On Demand TV with every show, season and episode commercial free available next day after aired, thousands of movies newest to oldest, also ones still playing such as Expendables 3 which came out in HD from the time it entered the theaters, our box provides 30 live TV Stations
such as ESPN, FOX Sports, CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, MY9, SYFY just to name a few in HD for FREE!

I can go on and on, instead I will finish by saying once you have you won't be able to live without it!

Dave Montana
myfreecabletv.com

 

[Struv]

Hey Eddie this is Dave with myfreecabletv.com

In response to your question, within XBMC there are many addons to choose from, some only offer one resolution such as 720 Standard Def (SD) but most offer you a choice between HD 1080 or SD 720 so picture quality is all in the eye of the beholder. Some people are just stuck on 1080 which will buffer if you either have slow download speeds and/or its the weekend and others will settle for less quality for fast reliable play (Like Me!) I personally watch all my TV Shows on GoTV in 720 SD Def, it looks great and I never have to worry about buffering issues.

During the week Monday through Thursday you can watch pretty much anything you want 1080 or 720 with tons of fast sources to choose from. However when Friday rolls around starting at around 4pm on Friday till 8pm and 2pm to 8pm on Saturday and Sunday is the busiest time throughout the world for XBMC and you should expect popular movies and TV Shows to buffer if you are trying to watch them in 1080.

Over all you just can't beat the unlimited amount of video content, live PPV events, Live Sports, On Demand Sports, On Demand TV with every show, season and episode commercial free available next day after aired, thousands of movies newest to oldest, also ones still playing such as Expendables 3 which came out in HD from the time it entered the theaters, our box provides 30 live TV Stations
such as ESPN, FOX Sports, CNN, CNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CW, MY9, SYFY just to name a few in HD for FREE!

I can go on and on, instead I will finish by saying once you have you won't be able to live without it!

Dave Montana
myfreecabletv.com

Dave M,

Tried to order order yesterday but your paypal was down, as you will see from my previous post. Price was $280 for the Deluxe, was going to order now and it's $350 for Deluxe. What gives?

 

[socal0487]

Dave M,

Tried to order order yesterday but your paypal was down, as you will see from my previous post. Price was $280 for the Deluxe, was going to order now and it's $350 for Deluxe. What gives?

Wow I noticed that also. This morning around 11 it was 279. Now all of a sudden it is 349. Sounds kind of fishy.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Looks like u can still just order the unit for 249, then the mini keyboard for 30 bucks. Im just waiting for the rdp discount code.....then ill be ordering for sure.

 

[RiverDave]

Dave M,

Tried to order order yesterday but your paypal was down, as you will see from my previous post. Price was $280 for the Deluxe, was going to order now and it's $350 for Deluxe. What gives?

Wow I noticed that also. This morning around 11 it was 279. Now all of a sudden it is 349. Sounds kind of fishy.

That's the old box vs the new box.. Just so ya know though RDP members new box is still 280 for the deluxe. Dave is starting a thread, because I asked him too, because this one is so long (for new questions / answers)



RD

 

[Struv]

That's the old box vs the new box.. Just so ya know though RDP members new box is still 280 for the deluxe. Dave is starting a thread, because I asked him too, because this one is so long (for new questions / answers)



RD

Sounds good, thanks

 

[Joker]

Legal or not?

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

Legal or not?

Good question.............and will these boxes be obsolete at some point in the future?

 

[Joker]

Good question.............and will these boxes be obsolete at some point in the future?

You can guarantee the servers will be gone at some point. Same thing happened to hacking Dish.

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

You can guarantee the servers will be gone at some point. Same thing happened to hacking Dish.

That's why I'm always iffy on these things. How long will a $350 purchase last? No different than the old skool days with the DTV cards. Nobody rides for free.

 

[Joker]

That's why I'm always iffy on these things. How long will a $350 purchase last? No different than the old skool days with the DTV cards. Nobody rides for free.

You must remember the H Cards, then the switch to HU?😎
Right in the middle if a good fight, kapow, the tv was gone.

 

[RiverDave]

Legal or not?

Legal

Good question.............and will these boxes be obsolete at some point in the future?

Oh I'm sure they will, but it will be years..

That's why I'm always iffy on these things. How long will a $350 purchase last? No different than the old skool days with the DTV cards. Nobody rides for free.

It's gonna be a long ass time..

RD

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

You must remember the H Cards, then the switch to HU?
Right in the middle if a good fight, kapow, the tv was gone.

Never had it done in the middle. Typically they'd blast it out near the beginning of the fight. Then it would be a pain in the ass and busy to get on the phone to order it. Sucks when u have a house full of peeps too.

 

[Sbarry]

Oh I'm sure they will, but it will be years..



It's gonna be a long ass time..

RD

RD,

Since I'm cheap as all get up, I hesitate at spending a couple hundred dollars on something that might be worthless in the near future. What makes you think it will be years? With a multibillion dollar industry like this, why wouldn't providers begin the invest a couple bucks to make these devices non responsive or obsolete? Dish cards would get zapped daily once they became a big issue. What's the difference here? Sorry. Not being negative because I am really thinking about getting one, just posing questions.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Even if it only works for 3 months after dumping my DirecTV.....I will have more than recouped my investment, id actually be up 50 bucks. Then if worst case scenario it shits the bed....i will now qualify for the new DirecTV customer packages those bastards wont give me now. Since i am a loyal 5 year customer, i am rewarded with the highest prices and i do not qualify for the latest equipment upgrades without some big $$$.
Joke em if they cant take a f**k

 

[RiverDave]

RD,

Since I'm cheap as all get up, I hesitate at spending a couple hundred dollars on something that might be worthless in the near future. What makes you think it will be years? With a multibillion dollar industry like this, why wouldn't providers begin the invest a couple bucks to make these devices non responsive or obsolete? Dish cards would get zapped daily once they became a big issue. What's the difference here? Sorry. Not being negative because I am really thinking about getting one, just posing questions.

Because of how it works.. It is working off offshore servers and there are 100's of them. The rest of the world doesn't much give a shit about direct tv or USA cable providers. The USA cable providers aren't going to Israel and Turkey or the 500 other countries to shut down servers.. The NFL wouldn't give a shit because there ads are getting paid for. If anything a wider audience increases the value.. Hollywood makes their coin at the box office, granted I am sure this puts a dent in some of the after sale stuff..

I just don't see how you could possibly stop it.

I will admit what I don't get is what is in it for the guys that own the servers..

 

[koenig]

You must remember the H Cards, then the switch to HU?
Right in the middle if a good fight, kapow, the tv was gone.

In Canada because Direct and Dish not available here, black market cards became big business here. We had people open small sat stores, programming cards for people. The Canadian broadcasters, sat and cable providers, they got a law here making it illegal to descramble a foreign broadcast signal. Few months after the law, people still did it, but it went more under ground. Soon though Direct and Dish zapped daily. Now all those businesses have gone under

Since I lived in the states and still own property there, I have an SS number, American credit cards and bank accounts, etc. This lets me have Direct TV, although they think I'm in the states. Technically illegal under Canadian law, even though I'm paying for service. Its a grey area and with this I don't mind being a "criminal" Canadian TV sucks. Other Canadians like me, a few businesses in the states have multiple accounts and rent them to Canadians.

Because of the law a lot of video from the states, like HULU, Netfix and some YouTube video's are blocked. They have Netflix Canada, but its not as good. All broadcasters here must include a certain amount of Canadian content per day, hence why no Direct TV or Dish here.

I wouldn't be surprised if the states made it illegal to unscramble foreign broadcasts. Basically making these boxes illegal. But that's probably a few years off. Took Canada about 10 years of cable company lobbying before it enacted laws.

 

[530RL]

I'm gonna take a shot at common sense.

The people who own the James Bond franchise go out and put up 150 million dollars to make, market and distribute the next James Bond movie. In order to see it when it first comes out, you must first see it at a movie theatre, which you pay to enter. A little later, it is available on PPV where everyone in your living room can watch it for a fee that you actually have to pay. More time passes and you can buy with money the DVD to see it, unless of course you go to Furgeson and loot the movie out of a burned down store. A little more time passes and you can see it on a subscription based movie channel like HBO, which shockingly, you have to pay for.

Interestingly, in all cases, one must pay the people who did the work and took the financial risk, in simpler terms, made the movie.

Someone now comes along and says,

"Dude, it is totally legal not to pay to watch the new James Bond movie that everyone else is paying to see. No reason to pay those guys that made it. Everyone in the US can legally see it for free. When they spent the 150 million they were doing it for fun. Totally legal and legit."

"We can just stream it off a foreign server unscrambled and watch it total for free because naturally, these big businesses that invest tens of billions of dollars in content (shows) would never employ lobbyist to address this issue, or can't possibly have an understanding of US and International copyright laws."

:headscratch:

 

[Sbarry]

I'm gonna take a shot at common sense.

The people who own the James Bond franchise go out and put up 150 million dollars to make, market and distribute the next James Bond movie. In order to see it when it first comes out, you must first see it at a movie theatre, which you pay to enter. A little later, it is available on PPV where everyone in your living room can watch it for a fee that you actually have to pay. More time passes and you can buy with money the DVD to see it, unless of course you go to Furgeson and loot the movie out of a burned down store. A little more time passes and you can see it on a subscription based movie channel like HBO, which shockingly, you have to pay for.

Interestingly, in all cases, one must pay the people who did the work and took the financial risk, in simpler terms, made the movie.

Someone now comes along and says,

"Dude, it is totally legal not to pay to watch the new James Bond movie that everyone else is paying to see. No reason to pay those guys that made it. Everyone in the US can legally see it for free. When they spent the 150 million they were doing it for fun. Totally legal and legit."

"We can just stream it off a foreign server unscrambled and watch it total for free because naturally, these big businesses that invest tens of billions of dollars in content (shows) would never employ lobbyist to address this issue, or can't possibly have an understanding of US and International copyright laws."

:headscratch:

Couldn't have said it better

 

[koenig]

I'm gonna take a shot at common sense.

The people who own the James Bond franchise go out and put up 150 million dollars to make, market and distribute the next James Bond movie. In order to see it when it first comes out, you must first see it at a movie theatre, which you pay to enter. A little later, it is available on PPV where everyone in your living room can watch it for a fee that you actually have to pay. More time passes and you can buy with money the DVD to see it, unless of course you go to Furgeson and loot the movie out of a burned down store. A little more time passes and you can see it on a subscription based movie channel like HBO, which shockingly, you have to pay for.

Interestingly, in all cases, one must pay the people who did the work and took the financial risk, in simpler terms, made the movie.

Someone now comes along and says,

"Dude, it is totally legal not to pay to watch the new James Bond movie that everyone else is paying to see. No reason to pay those guys that made it. Everyone in the US can legally see it for free. When they spent the 150 million they were doing it for fun. Totally legal and legit."

"We can just stream it off a foreign server unscrambled and watch it total for free because naturally, these big businesses that invest tens of billions of dollars in content (shows) would never employ lobbyist to address this issue, or can't possibly have an understanding of US and International copyright laws."

:headscratch:

Well said. The boxes are a better way to bit torrent. I'm willing to bet if I put a link to the bit torrent for Expendables 3 on this site, people would scream at me how illegal it is. Saw an article that movie was available weeks before it came out in theaters. The box just takes the download out of the equation its the same thing. Hollywood is either going to give up making big movies or go after those stealing their content.

 

[Boozer]

Well said. The boxes are a better way to bit torrent. I'm willing to bet if I put a link to the bit torrent for Expendables 3 on this site, people would scream at me how illegal it is. Saw an article that movie was available weeks before it came out in theaters. The box just takes the download out of the equation its the same thing. Hollywood is either going to give up making big movies or go after those stealing their content.

If "Hollywood" can't find a way to make movies profitable in the current climate someone else will and Hollywood will be replaced.

 

[koenig]

If "Hollywood" can't find a way to make movies profitable in the current climate someone else will and Hollywood will be replaced.

Problem people are getting their product free and its starting to show at the box office. Or another example is HBO, they do series to a) increase the subscribers to their channel and b) their programs did very well in DVD sales. Now people are down loading the shows for free, people are canceling HBO and nobody is buying the DVDs. HBO is canceling most of their except Game Of Thrones.

Granted this box is paying for 30 channels, but you are getting tons more free programming, that ultimately costs someone, and that's the people making the content. The more people who do it the more money and content we will loose.

 

[Boozer]

Problem people are getting their product free and its starting to show at the box office. Or another example is HBO, they do series to a) increase the subscribers to their channel and b) their programs did very well in DVD sales. Now people are down loading the shows for free, people are canceling HBO and nobody is buying the DVDs. HBO is canceling most of their except Game Of Thrones.

Granted this box is paying for 30 channels, but you are getting tons more free programming, that ultimately costs someone, and that's the people making the content. The more people who do it the more money and content we will loose.

Free content isn't killing the box office. Overpriced movie tickets and monster home theaters are killing the box office. Even my grand parents have 50" TV's and surround sound systems.

HBO and Showtime... What can I say at $20 a pop per month it's hard for most people to justify the expense.

 

[RiverDave]

I'm gonna take a shot at common sense.

The people who own the James Bond franchise go out and put up 150 million dollars to make, market and distribute the next James Bond movie. In order to see it when it first comes out, you must first see it at a movie theatre, which you pay to enter. A little later, it is available on PPV where everyone in your living room can watch it for a fee that you actually have to pay. More time passes and you can buy with money the DVD to see it, unless of course you go to Furgeson and loot the movie out of a burned down store. A little more time passes and you can see it on a subscription based movie channel like HBO, which shockingly, you have to pay for.

Interestingly, in all cases, one must pay the people who did the work and took the financial risk, in simpler terms, made the movie.

Someone now comes along and says,

"Dude, it is totally legal not to pay to watch the new James Bond movie that everyone else is paying to see. No reason to pay those guys that made it. Everyone in the US can legally see it for free. When they spent the 150 million they were doing it for fun. Totally legal and legit."

"We can just stream it off a foreign server unscrambled and watch it total for free because naturally, these big businesses that invest tens of billions of dollars in content (shows) would never employ lobbyist to address this issue, or can't possibly have an understanding of US and International copyright laws."

:headscratch:

Well said. The boxes are a better way to bit torrent. I'm willing to bet if I put a link to the bit torrent for Expendables 3 on this site, people would scream at me how illegal it is. Saw an article that movie was available weeks before it came out in theaters. The box just takes the download out of the equation its the same thing. Hollywood is either going to give up making big movies or go after those stealing their content.

Problem people are getting their product free and its starting to show at the box office. Or another example is HBO, they do series to a) increase the subscribers to their channel and b) their programs did very well in DVD sales. Now people are down loading the shows for free, people are canceling HBO and nobody is buying the DVDs. HBO is canceling most of their except Game Of Thrones.

Granted this box is paying for 30 channels, but you are getting tons more free programming, that ultimately costs someone, and that's the people making the content. The more people who do it the more money and content we will loose.

I get it 100%, and I don't disagree on any level what so ever. The box itself is completely immoral. Note I didn't say "Illegal" it is immoral. Yes common sense dictates you can't watch movies in the theaters for free at home and have it be "legit."

Here's my situation though.. I have 3 kids. For me to goto the movies it isn't just a hop skippity jump on down to the ole cinema. We have to hire a baby sitter, we have to schedule when we can go to make sure the kids are asleep etc.. A decently long movie by the time I go and see one will cost me over 100 bucks.

Here's the second thing.. Back when I had cable, I had zero desire to watch ANYTHING except HBO / Showtime / Cinemax / Stars.. They wouldn't just sell me those packages, so to get all of them I was paying over 200 a month because you had to buy everything to get them, plus the internet etc.. There is something fucked up when your cable bill is approaching low end car payments.

So yeah.. Is the box immoral? Your dam right it is.. On some level though having to pay 200+ a month just to be able to watch one show on HBO, one show on Stars, one show on this is also kind of immoral.

Hell we all do things that are immoral.. Sex out of wedlock is immoral to some people. That didn't stop me from banging every piece of tail I could when I was younger. Some will say "Well there's a big difference between sex and copywrited content.." Yes there is.. Ask some zealots and they'll tell you it's worse. Ask your normal everyday joe, and he will say it's less. It's whatever you are comfortable with..

Personally the pro's outweigh the cons for me.. If there was some subscription service that I could pay for that costs 50 - 100 bucks a month and had all the features this thing does, I'd do it, but I'd also expect it to be as easy to use as Direct TV or something.. In the meantime there is no subscription that fits my needs, so I'll step out of the moral comfort zone and stream that shit until the cows come home.

You mentioned James Bond.. My question is which James Bond film do you want to see? Because I got em all. A long with every damn TV show I've ever wanted to watch.. A movie library of every single movie in history.. and every kids movie and educational program I could ever want as well. For some reason, the unlimited everything makes me feel ok about the immorality of it.

RD

 

[koenig]

I'm playing devils advocate a bit. My brother has said he is getting one.

True most people have big TV's and wait for pay per view or for it to hit HBO. But those services are also being hit because people can download it for free. I can also see its an expensive outing to see a movie when its a whole family. Me I love the big big screen of a theater. Bonus my theater has screening rooms you need to be 19 to get in. So no kids and beer!!!!!! Its still a better experience then home.

I was thinking of getting this myself, mainly for old television shows, especially ones that are not on Direct TV and the DVD's are not available.

 

[pronstar]

It's legal until it isn't.

And if it's legal, then I see no issue not to enjoy the product, even if it's legal only thru a loophole.

 

[Chipster27]

Here are a couple comments.

Using the James Bond analogy whereby the producing company takes the financial risk and isn't rewarded. That would be like Skater building the perfect bottomed cat, then competitors splash it in an offshore factory. But it's legal because these companies are offshore and don't build their boats on American soil. Would that make it OK to then buy these boats and bring them to the US?

Second - Say I buy the James Bond series of movies at Costco, or where ever. I paid for it, Costco got their cut, the producers got their cut and it's all legal. As of the reading of this thread I'm no longer going to invite friends over to watch these movies with me because they didn't pay for them Along those same lines....no more PPV fight parties either

With respect to the DirecTV cards (or whatever brand) those cards were installed in the service providers device, I guess if they want to blow them up, it's their prerogative.

To me, this box is no different than downloading movies from Yaboon, or any other bit torrent service, other than the fact that that when downloading you actually have the content, which I presume is illegal. People have asked about the availability of recording the content. Why would you want to do that anyway, it's always available via streaming. No different than Nextlfix or most "on demand" services.

Just my observations/two cents.

 

[rivrrts429]

It's legal until it isn't.

And if it's legal, then I see no issue not to enjoy the product, even if it's legal only thru a loophole.

Kind of what I'm thinking. If it's not illegal then why not? Make it illegal and now they have a leg to stand on.

I tell my tax guy to use every available loophole possible. I'm guessing 99.9% of this board does the same lol

 

[TOBTEK]

Interested. Ready to kick cable tv to the curb.

Were having this discussion in our home as well! Ready to ditch everything but basic cable and internet. 180.00 a month for our Time Warner bill. 2000.00 a yr. over that! Home phone is next !

 

[pronstar]

I just spoke with the smart guy who works for me (not the dumb one)...he says XBMC-type devices like this have been streaming games and TV since before 2003, so this service in all likelihood isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[530RL]

Kind of what I'm thinking. If it's not illegal then why not? Make it illegal and now they have a leg to stand on.

I tell my tax guy to use every available loophole possible. I'm guessing 99.9% of this board does the same lol

If you use someones copyrighted material without paying for it, they can sue you for their damages and they will win. You can make the call if that makes it legal or not. You can make the call on the risk of whether it is worth suing over. The recording industry only sued about 5,000 people of the millions that used copyrighted music without paying for it.

It is not illegal to sell a box to do so, just as it is not illegal to sell a computer that one can use to download copyrighted material.

Put the legal issue aside. Dave gets it.

It is a moral choice, do you pay others for their work or do you take it for free if you can.

 

[530RL]

I get it 100%, and I don't disagree on any level what so ever. The box itself is completely immoral. Note I didn't say "Illegal" it is immoral. Yes common sense dictates you can't watch movies in the theaters for free at home and have it be "legit."

Here's my situation though.. I have 3 kids. For me to goto the movies it isn't just a hop skippity jump on down to the ole cinema. We have to hire a baby sitter, we have to schedule when we can go to make sure the kids are asleep etc.. A decently long movie by the time I go and see one will cost me over 100 bucks.

Here's the second thing.. Back when I had cable, I had zero desire to watch ANYTHING except HBO / Showtime / Cinemax / Stars.. They wouldn't just sell me those packages, so to get all of them I was paying over 200 a month because you had to buy everything to get them, plus the internet etc.. There is something fucked up when your cable bill is approaching low end car payments.

So yeah.. Is the box immoral? Your dam right it is.. On some level though having to pay 200+ a month just to be able to watch one show on HBO, one show on Stars, one show on this is also kind of immoral.

Hell we all do things that are immoral.. Sex out of wedlock is immoral to some people. That didn't stop me from banging every piece of tail I could when I was younger. Some will say "Well there's a big difference between sex and copywrited content.." Yes there is.. Ask some zealots and they'll tell you it's worse. Ask your normal everyday joe, and he will say it's less. It's whatever you are comfortable with..

Personally the pro's outweigh the cons for me.. If there was some subscription service that I could pay for that costs 50 - 100 bucks a month and had all the features this thing does, I'd do it, but I'd also expect it to be as easy to use as Direct TV or something.. In the meantime there is no subscription that fits my needs, so I'll step out of the moral comfort zone and stream that shit until the cows come home.

You mentioned James Bond.. My question is which James Bond film do you want to see? Because I got em all. A long with every damn TV show I've ever wanted to watch.. A movie library of every single movie in history.. and every kids movie and educational program I could ever want as well. For some reason, the unlimited everything makes me feel ok about the immorality of it.

RD

The long-term solution, is a-la-carte pricing. Then you could only buy the 2 or 200 channels you want and not have to pay for "bundled" content you have no interest in.

Your moral dilemma will then be solved.

I really like all the James Bond movies but the ones with Timothy Dalton, David Niven and George Lazenby. But I bought all of them on Blue Ray.

 

[Bobby V]

If you use someones copyrighted material without paying for it, they can sue you for their damages and they will win. You can make the call if that makes it legal or not. You can make the call on the risk of whether it is worth suing over. The recording industry only sued about 5,000 people of the millions that used copyrighted music without paying for it.

It is not illegal to sell a box to do so, just as it is not illegal to sell a computer that one can use to download copyrighted material.

Put the legal issue aside. Dave gets it.

It is a moral choice, do you pay others for their work or do you take it for free if you can.

For free. Somebody had to make those boxes.

 

[530RL]

For free. Somebody had to make those boxes.

Says the union guy who wants protected wages.

 

[Bobby V]

Says the union guy who wants protected wages.

Voting on a new contract next Monday.

 

[530RL]

Voting on a new contract next Monday.

Consistency is the hobgoblin of simple minds.

 

[pronstar]

The long-term solution, is a-la-carte pricing. Then you could only buy the 2 or 200 channels you want and not have to pay for "bundled" content you have no interest in.

Unfortunately, a la carte TV will likely never happen again.

Services like "On TV" and "SelecTV" tried this and failed, for a variety of reasons...but the business model just isn't there anymore.

 

[rivrrts429]

If you use someones copyrighted material without paying for it, they can sue you for their damages and they will win. You can make the call if that makes it legal or not. You can make the call on the risk of whether it is worth suing over. The recording industry only sued about 5,000 people of the millions that used copyrighted music without paying for it.

It is not illegal to sell a box to do so, just as it is not illegal to sell a computer that one can use to download copyrighted material.

Put the legal issue aside. Dave gets it.

It is a moral choice, do you pay others for their work or do you take it for free if you can.

We're in agreeance for the most part.

The recording industry sued their potential customers and where did that get them? The industry tanked. It was a "good ol' boy" mentality and they were resistant to change. They loved the days of the fat wallets (which I don't have a problem with), but they let their ego's and greed get in the way instead of strategizing to find a better way to provide a higher expectation. Instead of finding a different way to earn the money they went all in on their base and made them feel the pain.

Once they realized they cut their nose off to spite their face they came back begging on their knees. This is how iTunes, iHeart radio, and Spotify to name a few, were born. They gave the consumer what they wanted and learned to make a profit doing it a better way.

I'd like to think of it as the market correcting itself.

I think the cable/satellite providers are in the similar times as the early days of the recording industry. Have you tried to speak with your cable/satellite provider lately? It's an awful experience. They have entire departments that have negotiators in place to keep your business. If you're providing such a wonderful service why the crisis negotiators? I don't know how many there are but I've never talked to the same person twice lol

Maybe this is what the industry needs to experience what the recording industry had to learn the hard way. If the cable/satellite companies learn how customize a channel package to each consumer you may just stand a chance at improving your own programming in the coming years.

At the end of the day you're correct... It's a moral decision. But the outcome isn't all doom and gloom if the providers can see what us consumers see.

Power to the people

 

[Chipster27]

I ordered my box

 

[intense]

what app are you using for HBO Showtime ect?

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

"What are the benefits for a server?"

Is a good question....

Advertising???

Can you get the Dodger games? Yeah, I know, EVERYTHING...just want to confirm.

 

[Kylemenz1]

"What are the benefits for a server?"

Is a good question....

Advertising???

Charging companies like myfreecabletv for the use of their server content.

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

10-4

 

[HOOTER SLED-]

"What are the benefits for a server?"

Is a good question....

Advertising???

Can you get the Dodger games? Yeah, I know, EVERYTHING...just want to confirm.

Dodger games...................use wiziwig....free.....watching it now. :thumbsup

 

[RiverDave]

Charging companies like myfreecabletv for the use of their server content.

The only one they are paying is that USTV one.. What about the rest with all the series and movies? Icefilms, and VKBox etc? I don't understand what they get out of it.. (Not that I don't appreciate them doing it)

Dodger games...................use wiziwig....free.....watching it now. :thumbsup

wiziwig is what I found that football game Hammer wanted to watch the other day.

RD

 

[Boozer]

The only one they are paying is that USTV one.. What about the rest with all the series and movies? Icefilms, and VKBox etc? I don't understand what they get out of it.. (Not that I don't appreciate them doing it)



wiziwig is what I found that football game Hammer wanted to watch the other day.

RD

Sports Devil is supposed to be good and Mashup has a Sports Access section as well.