I’m thinking this is going to be expensive

[Cole Trickle]

Delete post...list boat for sale and buy a hellcat.

Sucks...

 

[ElAzul]

Late night Double double's just morphed into pb&j for a good bit

 

[4Waters]

Delete post...list boat for sale and buy a hellcat.

Sucks...

He sold the Hellcat and bought this

 

[Cole Trickle]

He sold the Hellcat and bought this

That's why he needs a new hellcat

 

[RaceTec]

Is this bad the other 15 cylinders are fine

My guess is this is what Dave was talking about last night? We will help you out Dan!

 

[H20 Toie]

My guess is this is what Dave was talking about last night? We will help you out Dan!

Thats awesome.

 

[OLDRAAT]

No that was the other motor, but did find a cracked header on this motor but different cylinder. its getting all new headers

Was this the engine with the valve train issues? Regardless, fix it and keep boating, you have to defend your "longest travel" award in 2023!
That is a beautiful Cig and you will not find another preowned one in that good of a condition especially a 'Lipship" version.

 

[Yldboyz]

Looks pricey

 

[coolchange]

Dingle ball it. Clean the cyl as long as it’s above the ring. Check crank for color pits. Check tulips. And valve train flat cam. Piston and run it!

 

[dribble]

That’s detonation, rebuild the short block, check the valve springs and valves, and have the injectors flowed. should be good to go after you figure out why it happened. Bad gas, too much timing, or lean could be the cause.

I going with lean...... way lean.

 

[pixrthis]

I going with lean...... way lean.

Bad injector or messed up mapping? You have to check both and I’d check them both on the other engine.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Aem water/meth injection is what you seek.


Now you are having 100 octane plus benefits while only under boost and chemical inter cooling.

 

[samsah33]

erfthuy ogthy nwshjolo teh manoltunia!!!!

 

[Bigbore500r]

@H20 Toie are these stock 700's ?

 

[monkeyswrench]

@H20 Toie are these stock 700's ?

Not for long

 

[Blackmagic94]

Also ceramic coating the piston tops and valves will help as well.

 

[bonesfab]

Aem water/meth injection is what you seek.


Now you are having 100 octane plus benefits while only under boost and chemical inter cooling.

Tuning to rely on meth injection is asking for trouble. Using meth as a cooler after the fact is fine, But relying on it as part of the tune is a good way to end up with more ashtrays. That much engine, take some compression out and some boost and set it up to run on 87 octane. Then run it on 91 to be safe.

 

[clarence]

Outboards.

 

[boatdoc55]

Us beginners run jets! First time I did it though was in Pops' Bayliner...my ass was puckered!

When we had our place at McIntyre, South of the I10, we judged how much fun we had by the number of props I had to fix that next week before we went back down the next weekend. Only had to do the skeg once. Most fun weekend was five props. Thank God we rebuilt props at the shop I worked at and the boss was super cool about me staying over and fixing my props.

 

[28Eliminator]

That sucks…

Depending on how many hours the engines have on them, may be worth while to just fix that hole and any incidentals, and run it for a few more years.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Tuning to rely on meth injection is asking for trouble. Using meth as a cooler after the fact is fine, But relying on it as part of the tune is a good way to end up with more ashtrays. That much engine, take some compression out and some boost and set it up to run on 87 octane. Then run it on 91 to be safe.

Did I say use it as the tune no. It’s being added on it


You are never gonna get a blower motor to work on 87. It would be a waste of time with how little timing it would have in it. I kinda feel like you are swerving out of you lane on this subject with that comment.

 

[BigRedBryan]

Did I say use it as the tune no. It’s being added on it


You are never gonna get a blower motor to work on 87. It would be a waste of time with how little timing it would have in it. I kinda feel like you are swerving out of you lane on this subject with that comment.

Why not use a big blower with moderate boost and cool it with a chiller??? Why all the extra add ons? What am I missing here? And why not run a good fuel to cool it? In my opinion less is more...

 

[Shlbyntro]

Did I say use it as the tune no. It’s being added on it


You are never gonna get a blower motor to work on 87. It would be a waste of time with how little timing it would have in it. I kinda feel like you are swerving out of you lane on this subject with that comment.

with modern engine management systems, i would say its very doable. however, I do think they still cost a pretty penny and Dans engines Im pretty sure run a somewhat basic (robust) electronics package.

my vote is to fix the engine as stock, replace the headers and flow the injectors (both engines).

If he has a wild hair, put some pulleys on them and flash the ecms but I dont think its neccesary and might cause more headaches than its worth.

my $0.02

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Did I say use it as the tune no. It’s being added on it


You are never gonna get a blower motor to work on 87. It would be a waste of time with how little timing it would have in it. I kinda feel like you are swerving out of you lane on this subject with that comment.

Mercury’s 600sci seems to do pretty good running on 87 as required.

It’s an ideal blower motor for those lakes that won’t supply 91 at fuel docks.

 

[Shlbyntro]

Mercury’s 600sci seems to do pretty good running on 87 as required.

It’s an ideal blower motor for those lakes that won’t supply 91 at fuel docks.

just 100

 

[BigRedBryan]

with modern engine management systems, i would say its very doable. however, I do think they still cost a pretty penny and Dans engines Im pretty sure run a somewhat basic (robust) electronics package.

my vote is to fix the engine as stock, replace the headers and flow the injectors (both engines).

If he has a wild hair, put some pulleys on them and flash the ecms but I dont think its neccesary and might cause more headaches than its worth.

my $0.02

Couldn't agree more with you on this...

 

[Blackmagic94]

Why not use a big blower with moderate boost and cool it with a chiller??? Why all the extra add ons? What am I missing here? And why not run a good fuel to cool it? In my opinion less is more...

Sure but that’s like 12-15k of add on parts to the cost of rebuilding the hurt motor as it is now.

Aem meth for both engines would be 1000 dollars and add extra cooling and octane to whatever fuel he runs now. Seems pretty much the perfect case of less is more

 

[BigRedBryan]

Sure but that’s like 12-15k of add on parts to the cost of rebuilding the hurt motor as it is now.

Aem meth for both engines would be 1000 dollars and add extra cooling and octane to whatever fuel he runs now. Seems pretty much the perfect case of less is more

You're selling and I'm not buying, if it was that easy and such a great deal why doesn't everyone do it??? I've been on the river and lakes MANY years and have not seen a combo like yours...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Aem water/meth injection is what you seek.


Now you are having 100 octane plus benefits while only under boost and chemical inter cooling.

Until that system fails. It’s a boat, there is a lake full of cold water to chill the air charge.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You're selling and I'm not buying, if it was that easy and such a great deal why doesn't everyone do it??? I've been on the river and lakes MANY years and have not seen a combo like yours...

Exactly right. It’s not needed in an intercooled boat with a stock tune for pump gas. All the safety needed is built in.

 

[Hoodoo]

Another swing and miss for the Catalina run, I’m still waiting on drive parts.

 

[Blackmagic94]

Exactly right. It’s not needed in an intercooled boat with a stock tune for pump gas. All the safety needed is built in.

And yet it broke. Hmmm

 

[ElAzul]

And yet it broke. Hmmm

Lots of boat's out there with higher compression, boost and no meth. Dan don't know the true failure point yet but another add on system is already the answer? Hmmmmm

 

[CLdrinker]

And yet it broke. Hmmm

Do you think 1 hole took a shit because of air inlet temp and poor octane?

If that was the case he would have all the cylinders effed.

So why argue over something that is not the issue.

 

[hman442]

I'm with several others in thinking minimum repairs. Leak down and scope the cylinders in the other engine, if it's good, leave it. Replace the one piston (or the set if you're getting a deal, as potentially mentioned earlier), and you can match exactly what you have now, so it's still matched to the other engine, check your bearings while the engine is apart, and replace if needed, flow the injectors, buy your headers, and go. Every engine has its "leanest" cylinder, due to the intake design, and even the header design. Maybe you have no issue, you just found that cylinder, with the help of a poor tank of gas coinciding with a pretty aggressive run. Obviously, you don't want to cobble anything, but the money you'll save by just fixing what's needed, will buy a lot of gas and booze, and, you'll be back on the water way sooner burning that gas, and looking forward to the other, that evening. This is just my opinion, however, it is correct!

 

[Bpracing1127]

Imo

New headers for both motors is like 10 grand
Then you have new valve springs and head work. Another 3 grand per motor so 6k
Then refresh bottom end with a hone and new bearings for both motors 4K ea or 8k
Then flow test injectors and new fuel pumps and -6 lines. Plus purchase of new injectors. Another 2k total.

Lastly stage 3 kits at 3k ea motor

Grand total.

34k

 

[HubbaHubbaLife]

Somehow I'm not missing boating so much this week.... Sorry to hear Big Man.

 

[Wizard29]

Imo

New headers for both motors is like 10 grand
Then you have new valve springs and head work. Another 3 grand per motor so 6k
Then refresh bottom end with a hone and new bearings for both motors 4K ea or 8k
Then flow test injectors and new fuel pumps and -6 lines. Plus purchase of new injectors. Another 2k total.

Lastly stage 3 kits at 3k ea motor

Grand total.

34k

I think that estimate is low. New headers are $10K per engine (at least the ones I have and Dan probably has something similar). Gary at GT told me rebuilds on my engines would be about $15K each and that's if nothing significant in parts was needed.

So there's $50K without anything else.

Gary also told me that if I want to run mine like a race boat, I can expect to maintain it like one. But if I want to take it easy and run more normal, problems should be far and few between. He's been right so far. This past season has been trouble free with 2,400 horsepower onboard.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Dingle ball it. Clean the cyl as long as it’s above the ring. Check crank for color pits. Check tulips. And valve train flat cam. Piston and run it!

Yup - fix the dead hole.
Check everything and put it back together.
Its prob got tons of life left in it.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

We lost a hole in our 30 Eagle TCM 1200 QR this year. Leak down test was pretty definitive. Took boat back to TCM and Bob did a simple refresh and fixed the issue. I think he said it had a bad valve, like it is gotten over revved (which we don’t recall).

Regardless it was around $16k to pull the engine, disassemble the heads, refresh the valvetrain and check everything else and reassemble, run up and lake test. Took like almost 3 months for him to get the needed parts which just tells you how low he’s gotten in stocking parts due to all this back order and delivery delays going on.

So Wizard29 is pretty spot on with the estimate from GT.

 

[Kevin Schulte]

Dan, how many hours on the motors and drives?
-Kevin

 

[angiebaby]

Oh my gosh, Dan. That totally sux.

 

[H20 Toie]

Dan, how many hours on the motors and drives?
-Kevin

Only 160 on the whole boat

 

[Spudsbud]

Damn Cigs.
Coulda been worse !

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[Done-it-again]

Damn Cigs.
Coulda been worse !

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That is why we have insurance. To bad you cannot use insurance on motors that has a failure.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Sorry to see this Dan. You will get it figured out.

On my Bullet the engine and drive grenaded shortly after buying it. 65k just for the TCM engine I put in. Was in a position to write a check but it was painful non-the-less.

 

[H20 Toie]

Damn Cigs.
Coulda been worse !

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Oh hell yeah it could be worse
I have two good friends in the hospital right now
My boat problems mean nothing to compared to what they are going thru
Probably why brook and I donated this weekend to help Bre
Both Brook and I have been out of work this whole year because of a scammer but we still both appreciate our friends and understand the real problems that some people are going thru

 

[CarolynandBob]

Oh hell yeah it could be worse
I have two good friends in the hospital right now
My boat problems mean nothing to compared to what they are going thru
Probably why brook and I donated this weekend to help Bre
Both Brook and I have been out of work this whole year because of a scammer but we still both appreciate our friends and understand the real problems that some people are going thru

I agree. Ended up in the hospital last week. When they are wheeling you into the ICU, it is amazing how other bullshit just doesn't matter.