How the fuck can anyone support Hillary? I mean seriously? (VIDEO)

[RodnJen]

The overwhelming concern in the PRF seems to be that HRC is so far left that she will destroy our Country as we think we know it. The reality is even if she is so far left, which she's not, there is no way she would be able to implement such change given the current structure. I'm not going to defend her anymore than I would defend any other politician. She's not going to confiscate guns, anymore than Obama was.

 

[Old Texan]

The overwhelming concern in the PRF seems to be that HRC is so far left that she will destroy our Country as we think we know it. The reality is even if she is so far left, which she's not, there is no way she would be able to implement such change given the current structure. I'm not going to defend her anymore than I would defend any other politician. She's not going to confiscate guns, anymore than Obama was.

Her multiple picks for SCOTUS will have lasting effects on the nation. There will be no balance whatsoever and all decisions will be left leaning at a minimum . And we already have heard the progressive views on how the Constitution needs to be updated. That combination will make for marked changes in the nation of we've grown up in for sure.

Her projections to bring in more refugees from ME nations and plans to give citizenship to who knows how many existing illegals will further burden our social welfare system plus create other issues. Not to mention potential terror events European nations are experiencing more frequently every week.

As far as guns, she will likely work on all types of legislation aimed strictly at making gun ownership as difficult and costly as possible. She has openly said as much if you'd pay attention.

Again as I brought up earlier and you ignored, look how she has projected she'll finish off the coal industry that survived O's reign of destructive legislation. Is that how government is expected to work with businesses? Sounds more fascist than democratic to me.

Rod you are either extremely naive or in denial. HRC has proven out over the years what she'd do. While in the Senate she expressed how she wished to limit oil company profits to a set percentage. No consideration for R&D and risks involved in exploration. Her healthcare plan while first lady was close to criminal with penalties she proposed for citizens trying to survive seeking outside her plan alternative treatment. She openly and blatantly has cheated and broken rules/laws. Yet you dismiss all this as nothing different other politicians.......

 

[TeamGreene]

Her multiple picks for SCOTUS will have lasting effects on the nation. There will be no balance whatsoever and all decisions will be left leaning at a minimum . And we already have heard the progressive views on how the Constitution needs to be updated. That combination will make for marked changes in the nation of we've grown up in for sure.

Her projections to bring in more refugees from ME nations and plans to give citizenship to who knows how many existing illegals will further burden our social welfare system plus create other issues. Not to mention potential terror events European nations are experiencing more frequently every week.

As far as guns, she will likely work on all types of legislation aimed strictly at making gun ownership as difficult and costly as possible. She has openly said as much if you'd pay attention.

Again as I brought up earlier and you ignored, look how she has projected she'll finish off the coal industry that survived O's reign of destructive legislation. Is that how government is expected to work with businesses? Sounds more fascist than democratic to me.

Rod you are either extremely naive or in denial. HRC has proven out over the years what she'd do. While in the Senate she expressed how she wished to limit oil company profits to a set percentage. No consideration for R&D and risks involved in exploration. Her healthcare plan while first lady was close to criminal with penalties she proposed for citizens trying to survive seeking outside her plan alternative treatment. She openly and blatantly has cheated and broken rules/laws. Yet you dismiss all this as nothing different other politicians.......

I'd say both.

 

[500bbc]

The overwhelming concern in the PRF seems to be that HRC is so far left that she will destroy our Country as we think we know it. The reality is even if she is so far left, which she's not, there is no way she would be able to implement such change given the current structure. I'm not going to defend her anymore than I would defend any other politician. She's not going to confiscate guns, anymore than Obama was.

This is a fantastic look into the mind of a Libtard.

"I'm voting for COTUS because she can't possibly be as bad as you think. Besides the Republicans will keep her in check".


Just ignore everything you know about her.

 

[TeamGreene]

This is a fantastic look into the mind of a Libtard.

"I'm voting for COTUS because she can't possibly be as bad as you think. Besides the Republicans will keep her in check".


Just ignore everything you know about her.

And after 54 replies still no other takers to explain/rationalize their vote other than a convoluted end around from RJ.

 

[Bobby V]

And after 54 replies still no other takers to explain/rationalize their vote other than a convoluted end around from RJ.

Maybe no one on here is voting for Hillary except RNJ. So why reply. :headscratch:

 

[Stainless]

Maybe no one on here is voting for Hillary except RNJ. So why reply. :headscratch:

... or they are so confident Clintons going to win they don't feel there's any point debating it. [emoji3]

 

[Bobby V]

... or they are so confident Clintons going to win they don't feel there's any point debating it. [emoji3]

Yea maybe, but TeamGreene needs it explained/rationalized to him.

 

[was thatguy]

What I read in rods so called explanation is basically that he agrees with the platform on the very things that enrage us about the lib platform.

He isn't in denial, he isn't uninformed...he is a liberal.

It is curious though about the analogy that Killary would be tempered by the reps, that rings of the Pioneering work of Barney Frank's method of displacement.

My hope as to why Dems can't or won't offer clear cut reasons to vote for Killary is that they just maybe are attempting to reconcile some internal conflicts about pulling the lever on evil personified. (One can hope!)
Perhaps not all of them are undeclared socialist lemmings?

 

[RodnJen]

What I read in rods so called explanation is basically that he agrees with the platform on the very things that enrage us about the lib platform.

He isn't in denial, he isn't uninformed...he is a liberal.

It is curious though about the analogy that Killary would be tempered by the reps, that rings of the Pioneering work of Barney Frank's method of displacement.

My hope as to why Dems can't or won't offer clear cut reasons to vote for Killary is that they just maybe are attempting to reconcile some internal conflicts about pulling the lever on evil personified. (One can hope!)
Perhaps not all of them are undeclared socialist lemmings?

The first two lines, while a gross oversimplification, were pretty solid. You started circling the bowl after that.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Liberalatarian?

 

[TeamGreene]

Yea maybe, but TeamGreene needs it explained/rationalized to him.

Maybe there's a bunch of sheep that will vote for anyone with a (D) next their name and can't actually justify voting for a lying shitbag like HRC but will do so anyway. Just speculation but more than likely the real reason.

 

[was thatguy]

The first two lines, while a gross oversimplification, were pretty solid. You started circling the bowl after that.

In what way? The dem platform, as far as Killary goes, is an unabashed personal and gov power grab with the long game goal of 100% subjugation of the masses.

You stated quite clearly that you agree with the dem platform and their direction for this country.

 

[530RL]

Maybe there's a bunch of sheep that will vote for anyone with a (D) next their name and can't actually justify voting for a lying shitbag like HRC but will do so anyway. Just speculation but more than likely the real reason.

Maybe there's a bunch of sheep that will vote for anyone with a (R) next their name and can't actually justify voting for a lying shitbag like DT but will do so anyway. Just speculation but more than likely the real reason.

Duplication and minor edit to reflect the Presidential election this cycle.

 

[FreeBird236]

The first two lines, while a gross oversimplification, were pretty solid. You started circling the bowl after that.

Serious question for you. How do you over look the corruption and lying and possibly more, is it that you just don't believe it?

 

[2CHILL]

Serious question for you. How do you over look the corruption and lying and possibly more, is it that you just don't believe it?

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

 

[FreeBird236]

Duplication and minor edit to reflect the Presidential election this cycle.

I call Bullshit. Trump, whether you like him or not has brought new voters out with his policies.

 

[was thatguy]

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

That's quite a lengthy, thought out, and articulate write up on your analogy of Trump, and not entirely inaccurate either.

So...you got one for Killary as well?

 

[t&y]

I call Bullshit. Trump, whether you like him or not has brought new voters out with his policies.

And the numbers show that. Lesser of two evils is where we are at.

 

[Bobby V]

I call Bullshit. Trump, whether you like him or not has brought new voters out with his policies.

And Trump has LOST more new voters with his policies.

 

[530RL]

I call Bullshit. Trump, whether you like him or not has brought new voters out with his policies.

I am sure he has, but they are still voting for the guy with an R next to his name and voting for him simply because he is promising them things that pretty much everyone in here including you, have admitted he can not do, and will not do ever in the time frame he promised.

Put another way, Trump is no dummy and he dam well knows that he can't do what he promised, and that by any measure according to my upbringing, is the fundamental definition of a lie for the sole means of manipulating another person into voting for him.

They are both lying shitbags. I understand that some are willing to vote for one lying shitbag to keep the other lying shitbag out of office, but that does not change the fact that they are both lying shitbags.

 

[regor]

The Tards vote D because they don't want to be "put back in chains", but they love them some "Soros" chains! :drink

[video=youtube_https;5gII8D-lzbA]https://youtu.be/5gII8D-lzbA[/video]

 

[SBMech]

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

It's pretty simple, 8 more years of Odipshit type care and we're done. killary will do twice the almost unbelievable destruction that Oidiot did.

Are you not tired of the perpetuation of racism that the dems keep alive?

Or do you just like giving up all YOUR hard earned success to the "needy"?

Quoting 120 year old idiots does not make you look smart.

 

[boatdoc55]

That's quite a lengthy, thought out, and articulate write up on your analogy of Trump, and not entirely inaccurate either.

So...you got one for Killary as well?

I really don't think that was all him.

 

[was thatguy]

I really don't think that was all him.

It never is.

I meant is he going to copy and paste a similar write up on the beast.

 

[FreeBird236]

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

First off to compare the corruption of Hillary to Trump it's not even close. True, all politicians exaggerate their policies, but she lying about her corruption, two completely different issues.


I really don't know you, but it seems you've bought into the thought that the democrats are going to help black people, will look at all the major cities that have been turned into nothing but slums in the last 50 years that are controlled buy democrats. Things have gotten worse even under Obama, IMO he couldn't care less about the average black person.

What the black communities need is better education and jobs, that just to start, but that is much more likely with a conservative agenda.

 

[FreeBird236]

And Trump has LOST more new voters with his policies.

No, he's lost them with his personality, not his policies, big difference.

 

[FreeBird236]

I am sure he has, but they are still voting for the guy with an R next to his name and voting for him simply because he is promising them things that pretty much everyone in here including you, have admitted he can not do, and will not do ever in the time frame he promised.

Put another way, Trump is no dummy and he dam well knows that he can't do what he promised, and that by any measure according to my upbringing, is the fundamental definition of a lie for the sole means of manipulating another person into voting for him.

They are both lying shitbags. I understand that some are willing to vote for one lying shitbag to keep the other lying shitbag out of office, but that does not change the fact that they are both lying shitbags.

Refer to the first sentence in post #76.

 

[t&y]

First off to compare the corruption of Hillary to Trump it's not even close. True, all politicians exaggerate their policies, but she lying about her corruption, two completely different issues.


I really don't know you, but it seems you've bought into the thought that the democrats are going to help black people, will look at all the major cities that have been turned into nothing but slums in the last 50 years that are controlled buy democrats. Things have gotten worse even under Obama, IMO he couldn't care less about the average black person.

What the black communities need is better education and jobs, that just to start, but that is much more likely with a conservative agenda.

Lol... That's the white mans fault... not the Dem's or Obummer Get witht the program man!

 

[Andy B.]

I am sure he has, but they are still voting for the guy with an R next to his name and voting for him simply because he is promising them things that pretty much everyone in here including you, have admitted he can not do, and will not do ever in the time frame he promised.

Put another way, Trump is no dummy and he dam well knows that he can't do what he promised, and that by any measure according to my upbringing, is the fundamental definition of a lie for the sole means of manipulating another person into voting for him.

They are both lying shitbags. I understand that some are willing to vote for one lying shitbag to keep the other lying shitbag out of office, but that does not change the fact that they are both lying shitbags.

None of them do all they promise that would be impossible but if he can do 25% of it wouldn't that be a start in the right direction? The government is bleeding the middle class dry soon it will be the rich and the poor and that has proved through history not to work out to well. Trump is out there I realize that but I believe in voting for the lessor evil in my opinion. I may be exaggerating a little bit but doesn't that make you think a little?

 

[TeamGreene]

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

And yet another off topic liberal diatribe of pointing to other bad behavior to justify their candidates own behavior.

The title of the thread is - How the fuck can anyone support Hillary? I mean seriously?

You want some of the people who support Trump to justify their vote start a thread but this liberal copy and paste anti Trump BS is not an answer.

 

[Old Texan]

I am sure he has, but they are still voting for the guy with an R next to his name and voting for him simply because he is promising them things that pretty much everyone in here including you, have admitted he can not do, and will not do ever in the time frame he promised.

Put another way, Trump is no dummy and he dam well knows that he can't do what he promised, and that by any measure according to my upbringing, is the fundamental definition of a lie for the sole means of manipulating another person into voting for him.

They are both lying shitbags. I understand that some are willing to vote for one lying shitbag to keep the other lying shitbag out of office, but that does not change the fact that they are both lying shitbags.

If a prerequisite to being eligible to run for office, was the candidate not being a "lying shitbag", we'd not have any candidates.:yikes

To me, a lot of the purpose to vote for Trump goes beyond what he "can't" do. It's more what he "won't" do. He won't support O-Care and will work to getting it dismantled. He won't bring in the gross number of refugess HRC gas declared that she will bring in. He won't promote progressive social inclined judges for the SC. He won't push to legalize the aliens already here without the right to be here. And the list goes on.

 

[500bbc]

What I read in rods so called explanation is basically that he agrees with the platform on the very things that enrage us about the lib platform.

He isn't in denial, he isn't uninformed...he is a liberal.

It is curious though about the analogy that Killary would be tempered by the reps, that rings of the Pioneering work of Barney Frank's method of displacement.

My hope as to why Dems can't or won't offer clear cut reasons to vote for Killary is that they just maybe are attempting to reconcile some internal conflicts about pulling the lever on evil personified. (One can hope!)
Perhaps not all of them are undeclared socialist lemmings?

:lmao

Whoa there WTG, sometimes you really crack me up.:thumbsup

 

[spectra3279]

From Hillary, or Donald? Clearly they are both guilty of all of the above.

A point I agree with:

In the marketplace, we have an incentive to make informed decisions because we shoulder the cost and reap the benefits or drawbacks. In the voting booth, we get nothing good or bad for our individual decisions because one vote almost never decides an election. Whatever results we have to live with are the same as they would have been if we hadn't bothered to vote.

If it doesn't pay to be informed, you might as well be ignorant. That reality accounts for much of the appeal of Donald Trump, whose campaign is built on absurd fantasies and false claims. He succeeds because his prescriptions are vivid enough to be appealing but vague enough to resist examination not that voters examine them anyway.

His response to the mass shooting in Orlando was true to form. He tweeted, "When will we get tough, smart and vigilant?" and "Our leadership is weak and ineffective." Those sentences convey sentiments that are hard to refute because they have no real content.

Trump spouts a torrent of promises and boasts with nothing to back them up. "I will be so good at the military your head will spin," he said, and "I will be the greatest jobs president that God ever created," and "I refuse to be politically correct."

Even when he's reading prepared speeches, they consist of clouds of verbal smoke. In an address Monday, he proclaimed, "If we don't get tough and if we don't get smart, and fast, we're not going to have our country anymore. There will be nothing, absolutely nothing, left."

What exactly does he mean "get tough" and "get smart"? What would it mean to not have our country anymore? When "absolutely nothing" is left, won't something remain?

Trump's followers can fill these empty phrases with whatever meaning they choose. But the substance of what he wants, or what they want, is not at the core of his appeal.

Voting for Trump is less a calculated effort to bring about specific policy outcomes than a form of self-expression. Like rooting for an NFL team, wearing a certain type of footwear or listening to a particular genre of music, it's a way of satisfying your tastes while shaping your image. If you dislike Muslims or Hispanics or the news media, voting for him is an irresistible chance to indulge that feeling.

It's also akin to buying a lottery ticket. If you're unhappy with how the country is doing, you can figure that electing a well-qualified politician won't produce radical change. And you can figure that by electing someone who breaks all the rules of politics and offends officeholders who have been a disappointment, you may get something dramatically different and better.

Those lottery commercials that picture giddy winners living the high life. They're enough to get people to buy tickets, even knowing the odds are long. Those Trump promises, such as forcing Mexico to pay for a wall and making America great again, They're enough to win votes, even though his supporters know they may not come true.

Trump's supporters are the sort of people the French sociologist Gustave Le Bon had in mind when he wrote, "Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim." If he wins, though, we will all learn that the hopes he created were false, and we will all be his victims.

But our president is weak and ineffective. That is true.

I've said it before. I'm tired of the same old lies and bullshit. Trump will give us new ones.

I don't expect trump to do much. If all he does is curtail the corruption and make people actually think about who to elect. Then he's done a perfect job in my book.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

Don't know how much, if anything, DT will be able to get done. He damn sure won't have any help from the Dems and he can't even get his own party to support him. So where does that leave things?

 

[spectra3279]

He can always start a call out thread on rdp for the douchebag politicians

 

[SBMech]

Don't know how much, if anything, DT will be able to get done. He damn sure won't have any help from the Dems and he can't even get his own party to support him. So where does that leave things?

Sure seems like Odipshit got a lot of terrible things done, with a rep controlled senate.

 

[Old Texan]

Don't know how much, if anything, DT will be able to get done. He damn sure won't have any help from the Dems and he can't even get his own party to support him. So where does that leave things?

What has been called for over recent years has been change in the established system in DC. For that to happen, it will take an outsider. At this point it just happens to be someone that doesn't fit the mold many would have preferred.

But then again, Trump may be just about the only type of candidate that has the care less attitude to accomplish the displacement of the system task. He or most any outsider that promotes internal change will not be popular, so to me it really isn't Trump that concerns me. Changing the direction of the nation or at least setting it up to be changed is the primary goal. Getting rid of lifer pols and start enforcing laws is a good start. The nation has past the point of business as usual. We need to stop and gather for a very hard task as a nation on so many serious issues. Time has run out.....

To me the bottom line of this election is to end the progressive socialist path that has been the norm and change DC from the self gratifying jackasses that have sunk us into immeasurable debt and allowed our border s to be overrun with no contributing parasites......There is no free lunch and nothing comes without hard choices.

The GOP is said to be in shambles, yet from the email deal and discord in the D primaries, the DNC is in no better shape. Both parties have their members in a quandary as to who is running. HRC is not the shoo in many predicted, and we already hear ad nauseum about Trump. From what I see, is the nation is at a very serious crossroads with voters needing to do some serious soul searching as to what the results of their vote will bring.

My conscience at this point tells me one thing must be done......Beat the Bitch!

 

[boatdoc55]

What has been called for over recent years has been change in the established system in DC. For that to happen, it will take an outsider. At this point it just happens to be someone that doesn't fit the mold many would have preferred.

But then again, Trump may be just about the only type of candidate that has the care less attitude to accomplish the displacement of the system task. He or most any outsider that promotes internal change will not be popular, so to me it really isn't Trump that concerns me. Changing the direction of the nation or at least setting it up to be changed is the primary goal. Getting rid of lifer pols and start enforcing laws is a good start. The nation has past the point of business as usual. We need to stop and gather for a very hard task as a nation on so many serious issues. Time has run out.....

To me the bottom line of this election is to end the progressive socialist path that has been the norm and change DC from the self gratifying jackasses that have sunk us into immeasurable debt and allowed our border s to be overrun with no contributing parasites......There is no free lunch and nothing comes without hard choices.

The GOP is said to be in shambles, yet from the email deal and discord in the D primaries, the DNC is in no better shape. Both parties have their members in a quandary as to who is running. HRC is not the shoo in many predicted, and we already hear ad nauseum about Trump. From what I see, is the nation is at a very serious crossroads with voters needing to do some serious soul searching as to what the results of their vote will bring.

My conscience at this point tells me one thing must be done......Beat the Bitch!

The ONLY people that fear him are the people that have the most to lose.

 

[AzGeo]

2 Chill can't understand the difference between LEGAL ACTIONS and ILLEGAL ACTIONS, this may be the reason he agrees with HRC on illegal immigration, and the thinking world does not .......

 

[Racey]

 

[was thatguy]

What has been called for over recent years has been change in the established system in DC. For that to happen, it will take an outsider. At this point it just happens to be someone that doesn't fit the mold many would have preferred.

But then again, Trump may be just about the only type of candidate that has the care less attitude to accomplish the displacement of the system task. He or most any outsider that promotes internal change will not be popular, so to me it really isn't Trump that concerns me. Changing the direction of the nation or at least setting it up to be changed is the primary goal. Getting rid of lifer pols and start enforcing laws is a good start. The nation has past the point of business as usual. We need to stop and gather for a very hard task as a nation on so many serious issues. Time has run out.....

To me the bottom line of this election is to end the progressive socialist path that has been the norm and change DC from the self gratifying jackasses that have sunk us into immeasurable debt and allowed our border s to be overrun with no contributing parasites......There is no free lunch and nothing comes without hard choices.

The GOP is said to be in shambles, yet from the email deal and discord in the D primaries, the DNC is in no better shape. Both parties have their members in a quandary as to who is running. HRC is not the shoo in many predicted, and we already hear ad nauseum about Trump. From what I see, is the nation is at a very serious crossroads with voters needing to do some serious soul searching as to what the results of their vote will bring.

My conscience at this point tells me one thing must be done......Beat the Bitch!

It's crazy isn't it?

All I heard for over a year was how we need someone to run who isn't beholding to the party line...which is true IMO.

Now that very "quality" is not only being dismissed, but used to mock and minimize that candidate.
I think it is a "good" thing that this candidate strikes fear and contempt in BOTH entrenched party dinosaurs.
Yet because of the way he speaks frankly, shoots from the hip, and doesn't "hand hold" the media and general population in his speech he is criticized.

I get the way Trump speaks...I find myself in the position of having to explain myself here often because, in my mind some things go without saying...then I have to go back and actually explain what I thought readers would automatically understand...I fail to realize that their thoughts are different than mine and what I infer or make innuendo about may read totally different than what I mean.

Trump needs to try to recognize that his detractors...just like the ones on here...will hear him say something completely different than what he actually said, if he leaves that door open. They will jump on that bandwagon in a second, even when they KNOW that they are purposely twisting his meaning to satisfy their need to bad mouth him.


All the so called inflammatory shit he has been accused of saying in the recent past makes no sense to me. I heard exactly what he meant when he said it, yet the next day I read some accusation that seems so elementary ridiculous about what was said it just makes me shake my head.
Did they hear the same speech I heard? I listened to the 2nd amendment remarks several times and still couldn't understand what the hoopla was about. Are people that simple minded in their interpretation? Is it their general distaste for Trump in general that blinds them to the contextual meaning of his words?

The fact that some of the GOP call for the RNC to dump Trump solidifies my belief that he is the right choice.
"His own party hates him!"..well...GOOD!
Isn't that what we asked for?

I guess some just don't like the wrapper that the gift comes in?

You are 100% correct that the only answer is to keep Killary out of the WH...bottom line, no questions asked.
Why some continue to pound their chest and preach about principles baffles me at this stage of the game.
This IS the final roll of the dice IMO, and clinging to "unflexable" principles without considering the consequences is sheer martyrdom.

Maintaining plausible deniability by refusing to participate (yeah, you know who you are) is nothing to crow about, it's a cop out.
Nero fiddled, as it were.
When the ship sinks, standing proud on the deck or crying in fear yield the same results...you drown.
Myself, I'll jump in and swim to the lifeboat...or die trying at least.

 

[AZMIDLYF]

 

[brgrcru]

It's crazy isn't it?

All I heard for over a year was how we need someone to run who isn't beholding to the party line...which is true IMO.

Now that very "quality" is not only being dismissed, but used to mock and minimize that candidate.
I think it is a "good" thing that this candidate strikes fear and contempt in BOTH entrenched party dinosaurs.
Yet because of the way he speaks frankly, shoots from the hip, and doesn't "hand hold" the media and general population in his speech he is criticized.

I get the way Trump speaks...I find myself in the position of having to explain myself here often because, in my mind some things go without saying...then I have to go back and actually explain what I thought readers would automatically understand...I fail to realize that their thoughts are different than mine and what I infer or make innuendo about may read totally different than what I mean.

Trump needs to try to recognize that his detractors...just like the ones on here...will hear him say something completely different than what he actually said, if he leaves that door open. They will jump on that bandwagon in a second, even when they KNOW that they are purposely twisting his meaning to satisfy their need to bad mouth him.


All the so called inflammatory shit he has been accused of saying in the recent past makes no sense to me. I heard exactly what he meant when he said it, yet the next day I read some accusation that seems so elementary ridiculous about what was said it just makes me shake my head.
Did they hear the same speech I heard? I listened to the 2nd amendment remarks several times and still couldn't understand what the hoopla was about. Are people that simple minded in their interpretation? Is it their general distaste for Trump in general that blinds them to the contextual meaning of his words?

The fact that some of the GOP call for the RNC to dump Trump solidifies my belief that he is the right choice.
"His own party hates him!"..well...GOOD!
Isn't that what we asked for?

I guess some just don't like the wrapper that the gift comes in?

You are 100% correct that the only answer is to keep Killary out of the WH...bottom line, no questions asked.
Why some continue to pound their chest and preach about principles baffles me at this stage of the game.
This IS the final roll of the dice IMO, and clinging to "unflexable" principles without considering the consequences is sheer martyrdom.

Maintaining plausible deniability by refusing to participate (yeah, you know who you are) is nothing to crow about, it's a cop out.
Nero fiddled, as it were.
When the ship sinks, standing proud on the deck or crying in fear yield the same results...you drown.
Myself, I'll jump in and swim to the lifeboat...or die trying at least.

Two straight days of very good speeches by trump. If He keeps this up . The media and never trumpers will go full on ape shit. Lol

 

[spectra3279]

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Hell, bill even chooses somebody else. So why shouldn't you?

 

[530RL]

I get the way Trump speaks...I find myself in the position of having to explain myself here often because, in my mind some things go without saying...then I have to go back and actually explain what I thought readers would automatically understand...I fail to realize that their thoughts are different than mine and what I infer or make innuendo about may read totally different than what I mean.

Trump needs to try to recognize that his detractors...just like the ones on here...will hear him say something completely different than what he actually said, if he leaves that door open. They will jump on that bandwagon in a second, even when they KNOW that they are purposely twisting his meaning to satisfy their need to bad mouth him.

You are a history buff. When thinking about HRC, it is important to remember that Nixon won re-election in a landslide despite the Watergate situation in full swing.

I am not a supporter of HRC, but I make my living not accepting my views, but the views of my competitors. :headscratch:

You ready for a bet on the election?

 

[was thatguy]

You are a history buff. When thinking about HRC, it is important to remember that Nixon won re-election in a landslide.

I am not a supporter of HRC, but I make my living not accepting my views, but the views of my competitors. :headscratch:

You ready for a bet on the election?

You never answered me before...are you betting that Trump loses or that Hillary wins?

 

[530RL]

You never answered me before...are you betting that Trump loses or that Hillary wins?

Whichever you would like. After all, you have stated there are only two choices.

 

[was thatguy]

Whichever you would like. After all, you have stated there are only two choices.

That is not what I said ever. Not once have I said there are only 2 choices..there are about 100 million write in choices (considering qualifying age)

What I have said was that either Trump or Killary will be the next president.

So, are YOU ready to bet on your choice?
It seems odd that you are placing bets for and against candidates that you are not backing?

Where are those lofty principles now?

 

[530RL]

That is not what I said ever. Not once have I said there are only 2 choices..there are about 100 million write in choices (considering qualifying age)

What I have said was that either Trump or Killary will be the next president.

So, are YOU ready to bet on your choice?
It seems odd that you are placing bets on and against candidates that you are not backing?

Where are those lofty principles now?

So what is your bet, you can choose from all the 100,000,004 choices?