How many?

[was thatguy]

hahahaha, the data. The unknown number of asymptomatic, non-tested but positives is unknown.

The rest of the data points you noted are also unreliable, especially the covid deaths, which are still PIC deaths. To inform you again, this means they combine pneumonia, influenza AND covid. From there the CDC clearly states its not death FROM covid rather its death WITH covid diagnosis (not even tested, but just someone assigning the illness as covid). With this crappy of a base, there is no data integrity. Didnt they study data at the globalist mba factory you toured for a few years?

Nice try brownshirt. Fail.

My friend I just visited is embroiled in litigation right now because of the death cert for her mom last month.
The family is outraged because of this very classification.
Her mom was 80 I think, no test at all, pic death.
She had straight up pneumonia.
They followed Covid protocol with zero diagnosis and vented her and she died.

The family was livid with the hospital for over a week before she died as they would not allow any visitation or consider any input from the family.
They allowed FaceTime on a hospital iPad that they limited time with because they didn’t have a full time charge cord. It reminded me of taking a dog to the county with suspected rabies.
It’s a death warrant.

 

[JBS]

I'll just leave this here..

Courtesy of @Chili Palmer
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LOL Kissinger never said this. I wish he had but there is no basis in truth. Prove me wrong Please. 2009 is not that long ago. The record would be out there.

 

[caribbean20]

Last year, in the US, THREE TIMES as many people died from high cholesterol than died from Covid.
803K vs 2.4 million.
Even with inflated Covid numbers.

It’s more dangerous for me to offer an EMT bacon and eggs than it is for me to remain unvaxed.

Respectfully, people are not showing up in droves and overwhelming ERs due to bacon and eggs. These shots are proven to lessen symptoms by jump starting your immune system (my unsophisticated opinion). I think that is what was meant in the original post.

But mandates . . . hard no.

 

[monkeyswrench]

LOL Kissinger never said this. I wish he had but there is no basis in truth. Prove me wrong Please. 2009 is not that long ago. The record would be out there.

"The record would be out there..."
Now that I find funny.

Kind of like Webster's definition of "vaccine".

 

[RVR SWPR]

LOL Kissinger never said this. I wish he had but there is no basis in truth. Prove me wrong Please. 2009 is not that long ago. The record would be out there.

Good to read you step up & post occasionally.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

LOL Kissinger never said this. I wish he had but there is no basis in truth. Prove me wrong Please. 2009 is not that long ago. The record would be out there.

Maybe, you might be right because I didnt dig it up myself. But from other things I have read that I know to be fact this wouldn't surprise me if it is true.

But how about this.. since you are the one debating its validity, how about you prove it wrong! And not by a Facebook fact checker

 

[was thatguy]

Respectfully, people are not showing up in droves and overwhelming ERs due to bacon and eggs. These shots are proven to lessen symptoms by jump stating your immune system (my unsophisticated opinion). I think that is what was meant in the original post.

But mandates . . . hard no.

Are they overwhelming er’s?

Sounded to me like the op was saying that me getting a jab prevents others from getting Covid.?

The follow up post certainly said that.

I don’t disagree about the symptoms.

 

[JBS]

"The record would be out there..."
Now that I find funny.

Kind of like Webster's definition of "vaccine".

You are arguing with a like minded person I was anti vax way before this "new one" My perfectly healthy 8 year old has never been vaxed nor had an antibiotic. She has never needed one.

It would be cool if Kissinger had said that quote. The problem is he did not. If you even look at the picture it is full of flaws. Like I

 

[was thatguy]

Maybe, you might be right because I didnt dig it up myself. But from other things I have read that I know to be fact this would surprise me if it is true.

But how about this.. since you are the one debating its validity, how about you prove it wrong! And not by a Facebook fact checker

That’s actually pretty mild for Kissinger.
He’s been a hinge pin of the elite for half a century.

 

[Doc]

Also, media blaming people who aren't vaccinated is to take the attention away from them getting back lash and using people who are unvaccinated as the reason they are getting sick or dying.

The nation/world was sold that if you got vaccinated you won't die and things would go back to "normal" That's far from the truth, and a ton of vaccinated people are seeing this and are upset that they didn't get what they were promised. The remaining vaccinated are still scared and believe that un-vaccinated people are to blame because mainstream media told them that and refuse to dig just a little bit to see that's a lie. This is the issue, people that listened and did everything they were told to the "t" are upset because they are being told the unvaxed are to blame. I just had this conversation with a good friend who is vaxxed with a booster and is mad because he feels people like me are the reason why we are still wearing masks and might be on the brink of another lockdown. I've supplied him with ton's of links of information to back my statements and he still isn't having it because he has made up his mind and that's fine.

Educate yourself as much as you can, consider your age, health, and make a choice it's that simple. There are risks either way getting the shot or not and as an individual you need to pick what's best for you period.

 

[caribbean20]

Are they overwhelming er’s?

Sounded to me like the op was saying that me getting a jab prevents others from getting Covid.?

The follow up post certainly said that.

I don’t disagree about the symptoms.

COVID patients ARE overwhelming several ERs in my home state of MI. See article about National Guard used at Beaumont, a very large Detroit area health system.

You and I both know nobody is going to change our opinions based on inter web banter. It’s winter, and we are boaters.

 

[regor]

The data shows that unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications.

mUh sTaTiStIcS

 

[monkeyswrench]

You are arguing with a like minded person I was anti vax way before this "new one" My perfectly healthy 8 year old has never been vaxed nor had an antibiotic. She has never needed one.

It would be cool if Kissinger had said that quote. The problem is he did not. If you even look at the picture it is full of flaws. Like I

Kissinger seems like a personification of evil...his voice has been creepy as hell as long as I can remember. He may not have said it, but damn, if anyone did, it would be him.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Gotta say that Kissinger 2009 Eugenics speech reads like something Kissinger would give.
Seems possible he in fact did not give that speech.

“Reuters could not find any evidence that Kissinger said this quote about mandatory vaccinations. Kissinger’s representatives confirmed to Reuters via email that the quote is a “complete fabrication”.

“Henry Kissinger’s speeches are archived on his website and only two are listed for 2009 ( here ). The first was given to the Trilateral Commission Tokyo Plenary Meeting on April 26, 2009 ( here ). The second was a speech on October 14, 2009, for the 35th Anniversary of the International Energy Agency in Paris, France ( here ). Neither presentation included the quote in this claim. In 2009, Kissinger did not speak at a World Health Organization (WHO) event. “

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

"The record would be out there..."
Now that I find funny.

Kind of like Webster's definition of "vaccine".

Ohh.. if it is true, it has been wiped from the internet, for disinformation

The only way I could figure to validate it is, figure out what newspaper it is from and go search the archives at the library. I have found alot of facts that way.

 

[Sandlord]

The data shows that unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications.

For example in T & B’s case of Covid for he and his wife, my understanding from the thread was that his wife was vaccinated and was not hospitalized, whereas T & B was was not vaccinated and became hospitalized and then unfortunately passed away.

Right or wrong, the vast majority of people down here do not believe the data reflecting a benefit from the vaccine and believe the vaccines themselves have killed more people than Covid itself. That is their right.

No one will change the others minds.

 

[was thatguy]

COVID patients ARE overwhelming several ERs in my home state of MI. See article about National Guard used at Beaumont, a very large Detroit area health system.

You and I both know nobody is going to change our opinions based on inter web banter. It’s winter, and we are boaters.

True. I’m thinking of pulling the boat out and just running it in the driveway! Lol

I’m sure you already know this.
Michigan has 1.61 million “cases” on the year as of yesterday, with 27,705 deaths.
That’s 0.017 mortality rate even with PIC and any other attached causes.
(Michigan has about 10 million people.
So the deaths represent about 0.0027 of the population…even with mislisting cause of death and of course the PIC label)

Are the hospitals actually saving anyone? All those deaths happen in a hospital I would guess, without looking it up.

Anyway, at the risk of sounding like the heartless sob that I am, the numbers just don’t bear out the panic.
I’m from Alaska.
Like Michigan the winter in Alaska produces a very significant cold and flu season in every year. Many people get sick and die, and the villages can take a real beating.
Right now everyone in Anchorage is sick and it’s sort of typical. Curiously, no one has a cold or flu anymore. No one dies of old age, or pneumonia, hell even getting splattered in a car wreck is listed as Covid sometimes?
So I wonder what’s really happening there?
I’m not doubting you, I’m doubting the reality.
I just drove all the way across the country.
And I just drove to NorCal and back.
Been in surgery back in September, been in multiple hospitals for different reasons and to see other people.
At no time in no way have I seen any of the panic and havoc we are being told about.

 

[regor]

Emails Expose Fauci, Collins Collusion To 'Smear' Anti-Lockdown Scientists​

...so yeah, "Science"...

SUN DEC 19, AT 9:45 AM

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

Gotta say that Kissinger 2009 Eugenics speech reads like something Kissinger would give.
Seems possible he in fact did not give that speech.

“Reuters could not find any evidence that Kissinger said this quote about mandatory vaccinations. Kissinger’s representatives confirmed to Reuters via email that the quote is a “complete fabrication”.

“Henry Kissinger’s speeches are archived on his website and only two are listed for 2009 ( here ). The first was given to the Trilateral Commission Tokyo Plenary Meeting on April 26, 2009 ( here ). The second was a speech on October 14, 2009, for the 35th Anniversary of the International Energy Agency in Paris, France ( here ). Neither presentation included the quote in this claim. In 2009, Kissinger did not speak at a World Health Organization (WHO) event. “

If it were true, there is a reason it cant be researched. "Crimes against humanity" comes to mind!! Just like alot of stuff I found(almost 2yrs ago) has been removed for a Google search. I never tried any other search engines! But is amazing the shit that is being wiped from public eyes.

 

[94Nautique]

mUh sTaTiStIcS

LOL, the oracle owned by a one eyed green thing. Again. And again. And again. Forever!!!!

 

[spectra3279]

How many relatives and friends do you need to see dead and dying before you realize it's time to get the shots? I'm completely against mandates but I am totally in favor of common sense.

So you would be safe. But the rest of your friends and family would die of side effects.

What a good family member you are.

 

[spectra3279]

Everybody knows somebody that has died from the China NWO Bioweapon. The definition of insanity is to keep doing something that does not work. The Swine Flu Vaccine. was halted after 241 deaths. Why not now, after 19000 admitted deaths, from the "Vaccine? That's just US, undercounted buy a factor of at least 10. What are they trying to hide? It is not a Vaccine. I had 2 Moderna. Was I given informed consent? No. No more. I know better now. My Doctor lied to me. Now, He quit. I will not take another shot. it's total bullshit. Now Vaxxing 5 year Olds.

Ask your Doctor why they won't prescibe proven treatment medications that cure, and have been in use for 90 plus years? Like they gave my Dad for Malaria in the South Pacific in WW2? Why will pharmacies not fill them, and why won't insurance pay for them? I call that a Clue.

You can line up your Grandkids if you want, Sir. Pretty soon, you won't have a choice.

And after their shots, he won't have grandkids

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Haven’t been to any store or restaurant that is enforcing the new mandate.

I haven’t been to any store or restaurant in CA that is enforcing the old anti shoplifting mandates either.

 

[spectra3279]

The data shows that unvaccinated people are about six times more likely to test positive than vaccinated people, nine times more likely to be hospitalized, and 14 times more likely to die from COVID-related complications.

For example in T & B’s case of Covid for he and his wife, my understanding from the thread was that his wife was vaccinated and was not hospitalized, whereas T & B was was not vaccinated and became hospitalized and then unfortunately passed away.

Right or wrong, the vast majority of people down here do not believe the data reflecting a benefit from the vaccine and believe the vaccines themselves have killed more people than Covid itself. That is their right.

No one will change the others minds.

This is true. But only if you follow their required protocols. When ivermectin is involved it throws a giant monkey wrench in their data.

 

[spectra3279]

Respectfully, people are not showing up in droves and overwhelming ERs due to bacon and eggs. These shots are proven to lessen symptoms by jump starting your immune system (my unsophisticated opinion). I think that is what was meant in the original post.

But mandates . . . hard no.

Not jump-starting your immune system. Changing your dna

 

[caribbean20]

Not jump-starting your immune system. Changing your dna

That is total BS. The agents delivered by mRNA never enters the nucleus of cells, which is where DNA is stored. What is the credible source for your statement?

 

[caribbean20]

True. I’m thinking of pulling the boat out and just running it in the driveway! Lol

I’m sure you already know this.
Michigan has 1.61 million “cases” on the year as of yesterday, with 27,705 deaths.
That’s 0.017 mortality rate even with PIC and any other attached causes.
(Michigan has about 10 million people.
So the deaths represent about 0.0027 of the population…even with mislisting cause of death and of course the PIC label)

Are the hospitals actually saving anyone? All those deaths happen in a hospital I would guess, without looking it up.

Anyway, at the risk of sounding like the heartless sob that I am, the numbers just don’t bear out the panic.
I’m from Alaska.
Like Michigan the winter in Alaska produces a very significant cold and flu season in every year. Many people get sick and die, and the villages can take a real beating.
Right now everyone in Anchorage is sick and it’s sort of typical. Curiously, no one has a cold or flu anymore. No one dies of old age, or pneumonia, hell even getting splattered in a car wreck is listed as Covid sometimes?
So I wonder what’s really happening there?
I’m not doubting you, I’m doubting the reality.
I just drove all the way across the country.
And I just drove to NorCal and back.
Been in surgery back in September, been in multiple hospitals for different reasons and to see other people.
At no time in no way have I seen any of the panic and havoc we are being told about.

OK, got it. Can’t beat first hand eye witness evidence. There has been a fair amount of hyperbole around the issue, no doubt. Just quoting what I heard from my local newspaper, and sadly from a friend that spent some time in the hospital with Covid (recovered but on oxygen now).

 

[spectra3279]

That is total BS. The agents delivered by mRNA never enters the nucleus of cells, which is where DNA is stored. What is the credible source for your statement?

Ah, but do we know for sure?

Also mrna interprets your dna. So yes can effectively change your dna. And with this bullshit, is there really a difference. Hell we don't really know what this shot does. It's causing blood clots, causing heart problems, causing miscarriages and spontaneous abortions. So yeah, it could be changing our DNA. We don't truly know enough to guarantee its not

 

[Ziggy]

I'm taking Gramps' post in context that his wish is others get the jab for themselves and not as a reason to protect those who choose not to...........he has valid reasons to trust his instinct. I can respect that, we all do it.
.

The rest of you can rail on him for whatever fucking reason you choose.

 

[spectra3279]

I'm taking Gramps' post in context that his wish is others get the jab for themselves and not as a reason to protect those who choose not to...........he has valid reasons to trust his instinct. I can respect that, we all do it.
.

The rest of you can rail on him for whatever fucking reason you choose.

I don't interpret his meaning that way. I see both as get the shot , science. And my shot won't work if you don't take it.

Maybe I. Wrong.

But the science shows your more likely to die if you get the shot. And if not die, fucked up for life from the side effects.

 

[was thatguy]

Shots working perfect.
We are now fighting each other.
I’m out.

 

[thebiz]

How many relatives and friends do you need to see dead and dying before you realize it's time to get the shots? I'm completely against mandates but I am totally in favor of common sense.

How many are going to need to die before our society’s starts with prevention…
How many are going to need to die from the vax…

…before you start thinking for yourself.

You do know that you have a 1/107 chance of dying in a car wreck??

Let me guess, facts make me conspiracy theorist racist! You can have my families and my shots, lord knows you’ll need them to stay safe. Tool.

 

[Ziggy]

Shots working perfect.
We are now fighting each other.
I’m out.

You just now noticed that?
.
In essence, that is the jist of my previous post.
@Gramps post, in my opinion, is about his compassion for people and not wagging his finger at you as an order.

 

[Backlash]

Lest we forget that this experimental injection is NOT a proven vaccine. So can we please stop referring to it as if it is. If you are this far into this PLANdemic, and still believe all of the BS that's being forced down our throats by "My local newspaper" or any other MSM, I dont know what to say.

If you believe the hype and wish to be a Guinea pig for what will eventually be deemed one of the greatest crimes against humanity, knock yourself out. I dont wish any harm on anyone, especially the good people on this site, but if you have bought into this giant lie, I'm sorry. My heart goes out to you and your family for what may come.

The bottom line is this shit was created in a lab, was essentially funded by our government, was intentionally released on the world population with the promise of a "Vaccine" that would be made available for a small fortune. We've been lied to and the shotcallers making these brilliant decisions are getting rich as shit off of their bullshit experiment.

You wanna inject some crap into YOUR body, because you think its the right thing to do? Go ahead. Me on the other hand, I'll continue with the natural immune system God gave me, and do my best to stay healthy.

Fuck your non-vaccine "Vaccine" and fuck these asshole politicians who are trying to shove it down our throats.

 

[Activated]

I completely understand people wanting to get “vaccinated“, it’s their choice. I have chosen not to be vaccinated and have had the China virus twice, this second time was kind of scary, the first, not so much.

Why I won’t get vaccinated is as simple as this. Why Is there no treatment for someone who gets the Rona? You are telling me a z pack, Ivermectin or Hydroxychlouruiquine might not help even a little? Literally the “deadliest” pandemic the world has ever seen and the Dr. tells me to take NyQuil. Luckily we were in Mexico and loaded up on all of the above.

Fuck off with your vaccine bullshit.

 

[CLdrinker]

any idea how many EMS personnel have been exposed, had to go into quarantine ? Even if they get/stay healthy think about the short staffed EMS and first responder services. I have seen entire fire department stations shut down due to exposure,

Explain to me how the vaccine stops exposure?

 

[brgrcru]

Lest we forget that this experimental injection is NOT a proven vaccine. So can we please stop referring to it as if it is. If you are this far into this PLANdemic, and still believe all of the BS that's being forced down our throats by "My local newspaper" or any other MSM, I dont know what to say.

If you believe the hype and wish to be a Guinea pig for what will eventually be deemed one of the greatest crimes against humanity, knock yourself out. I dont wish any harm on anyone, especially the good people on this site, but if you have bought into this giant lie, I'm sorry. My heart goes out to you and your family for what may come.

The bottom line is this shit was created in a lab, was essentially funded by our government, was intentionally released on the world population with the promise of a "Vaccine" that would be made available for a small fortune. We've been lied to and the shotcallers making these brilliant decisions are getting rich as shit off of their bullshit experiment.

You wanna inject some crap into YOUR body, because you think its the right thing to do? Go ahead. Me on the other hand, I'll continue with the natural immune system God gave me, and do my best to stay healthy.

Fuck your non-vaccine "Vaccine" and fuck these asshole politicians who are trying to shove it down our throats.

100%

 

[xlint89]

Sorry for your loss OP.

Fortunately, I do not know anyone that has died from the China Flu.

I do know a volunteer firefighter that was paid to get the vax. Guess who contracted the vid before Thanksgiving and couldn't be around his fam?

If this was all about people's health, why aren't the illegals coming across the border required to get the vax? Instead they are flown around the country and dispersed.

Why are there so many hospital workers and first responders resisting to get the jab? They see everything up close and personal too, yet choose to avoid the shot.

The J&J shot was halted from administering back in March I believe it was for clotting concerns. Do not know what was done in the short time, but they decided to resume quickly. Now 9 months later, they are telling us to not take the J&J shot because it has killed people.

Japan has placed a warning label on the vax due to potential heart inflammation.

The fact that any opposition to the narrative put forth is labeled "misinformation" and deleted should concern you. Especially considering the people determining what is considered misinformation believes there are 24 genders and men are able to get pregnant.

 

[xlint89]

 

[ridebig]

How many relatives and friends do you need to see dead and dying before you realize it's time to get the shots? I'm completely against mandates but I am totally in favor of common sense.

I have been exposed to it numerous times. Never one symptom. I know of several vaxed people that have tested positive more than once. This shot is worthless. Oh, and we the tax payers are footing the bill…. Think about that.

 

[Tom Slick]

For those of you that think you’ve had the Kung Flu more than once, Dr. McCullough wants to talk to you.

 

[rmarion]

Shots working perfect.
We are now fighting each other.
I’m out.

just another play in their playbook....

 

[monkeyswrench]

I would never say anything bad about Gramps. Straight shooter, been around stuff I wouldn't even want to think about. I believe each person needs to make their choice based on what they can find out for themselves and their families. Sometimes that may require "holding your nose", and reading what the other camps print as well. You also have to take the effects, both good and bad, of those in your own personal sphere of influence. Who got what, or how bad.

 

[t&y]

How many relatives and friends do you need to see dead and dying before you realize it's time to get the shots? I'm completely against mandates but I am totally in favor of common sense.

LOl Same here which is why I haven't got the shot, nor has my family. To me, common sense is only trusting "vaccines" that have actually been proven with data and testing for more than a few months before their implementation. But hey, my common sense may not be your common sense. Merry Christmas Gramps.

 

[JBS]

Maybe, you might be right because I didnt dig it up myself. But from other things I have read that I know to be fact this wouldn't surprise me if it is true.

But how about this.. since you are the one debating its validity, how about you prove it wrong! And not by a Facebook fact checker

How about you site the original source of the “article”. And not from the Weekly World news

 

[rmarion]

man you would think the professionals would be working 24/7 trying to develop a treatment for Covid-19....

Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread - PMC

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) is caused by a newly discovered coronavirus (SARS-CoV). No effective prophylactic or post-exposure therapy is currently available. We report, however, that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[CarolynandBob]

How many relatives and friends do you need to see dead and dying before you realize it's time to get the shots? I'm completely against mandates but I am totally in favor of common sense.

Well if it was a vaccine (which it isn't) and you are vaccinated, then you wouldn't need to worry about getting sick. If it were a properly tested vaccine and it really was a vaccine, then you probably wouldn't have a very hard time getting people to get vaccinated.

 

[regor]

The new narrative..........

gEt vAcCiNaTeD aNd gEt bAcK tO nOrMaL

 

[HNL2LHC]

The new narrative..........

gEt vAcCiNaTeD aNd gEt bAcK tO nOrMaL

View attachment 1075331

There has been a lot of that lately….huh?

 

[500bbc]

Respectfully, people are not showing up in droves and overwhelming ERs due to bacon and eggs. These shots are proven to lessen symptoms by jump starting your immune system (my unsophisticated opinion). I think that is what was meant in the original post.

But mandates . . . hard no.

Proven by whom and how?. Most people that get it have mild symptoms.