HB Cop Shoots Teen To Death In Front Of 7-11

[milkmoney]

Not make up shit. Just passionate. I understand he didn't say he want another officer dead. I just don't like people judging something that an officer only had a half a second to think about.

Gotcha. I hate when people make fun of cows.
Hey man, at least u care. That is the important part. Keeping doing what ur doing. [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji202]

 

[Hallett1974]

Gotcha. I hate when people make fun of cows.
Hey man, at least u care. That is the important part. Keeping doing what ur doing. [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji202]

Thanks. I know it's off topic but.... You got a bad ass boat!

 

[92 cole]

Just my opinion. L.E.O. did right!!!!! I have no pity for criminals. Mark

 

[Angler]

Stop resisting, the chances of not getting shot go up 100 fold... :tbi

 

[jonnyd]

Right or wrong, wrong or right. We all have the opportunity to make good or bad decisions. Bad decisions sometimes can have bad consequences for ourselves and others. This young man made a bad decision that started a very unfortunate chain of events that got himself shot and will forever change the life of the officer involved.

 

[DRYHEAT]

I get you brother. This just looked excessive IMO, that's it.

I am tired of these millennial assholes being anti cop and I want that to change, but this situation will not help. Thats all I am saying.

I wonder if you would have a different view if there wasn't a slick narrative that went along with the video.
The problem today is videos like this are all over YouTube and probably has a greater influence on millennial's.
The political hierarchy of the police department doesn't want to seem heavy handed so they go a little easier on people. Now they realize there's no consequences to their actions so they push the envelope.
This to me puts the street cop in a bad position, wondering if his department is going to back him up or hanging out to dry, if he gets into some bullshit videotaped encounter that "looks" bad on tape.

It's pretty simple, all you have to do is comply. In this case he didn't and the good guy went home to his family.

 

[thetub]

go to the 1:15 mark of video looks like he has something like a gun in his right hand.

plus he grabbed the coppers magazine clip.



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[wsuwrhr]

Watching the first few shots it seemed fake dude took a few rounds to the chest then like looked like a screen actor till he smacked his head on the wall

9mm. Not a 45.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Kilt. Noted.

Sorry Joe I gotta disagree here. You hold someone one hostage in a robbery attempt, resist arrest, go for the officers belt you are gonna get kilt. If you were the cop in that situation, and some asshole pulled something off your belt and you didn't know what it was in the heat of a scuffle, I have no doubt you'd empty the mag if you thought you might not go home and see your wife and kids again.

If they slapped this guy on the wrist and put the bracelets on after this, no ones mind would be changed to pro cop after seeing this video. In fact it might embolden criminals.

 

[stokerwhore]

well if my wife or kid or whatever is held hostage for any reason by some robber... by all means shoot that motherfucker. and not just once. I'm only sorry that the cop had to go through that shit. I doubt he went home stoked. arm chair guy-out

 

[Rondog4405]

Kilt. Noted.

Lmao!!

 

[Hullbilly]

Just going to have to agree to disagree on this one man. My opinion is that I think it could have been handled differently. HB PD had been under a lot of scrutiny already, prior to this.

Not trying to make enemies or get into a confrontation online with peeps, just sharing my opinion on the matter.

Have you ever thought about going on some ridealongs? Maybe a citizens academy??? Until you've walked in the shoes, I'd save the armchair quarterbacking for mondaynight football.

 

[Hullbilly]

Ok see now this is,where the shit goes sideways, joe never said he wanted to see another officer die.

Settle down tiger , I understand ur passion, based on I think ur an officer . If so then educate and not make shit up
[emoji202]

Oh ya. I would like to see in a situation of 300 cows coming into the barn that need to be milked [emoji6] [emoji482] [emoji202]

I'll educate....Users can keep going and going and going....You shoot until they stop moving.

Now don't you have some teets to tug

 

[BasilHayden]

I understand the, just don't resist aspect, but geeze. Use a taser, shoot out his knees,

Know offence, but he shoots out his knees and gets sued for ....
My feeling is if your pulling the trigger, you dont want the bad guy to be there to sue later.

 

[boatpi]

Although it's been a number of years I probably tased 50 people. Effective range is 7 feet to about 12 feet depending upon the unit sometimes 15 feet it's a charge that shoots out to darts with a small wire attached going back to the device if you're to close the doors will land in the person to close and not be very effective .

I had a suspect under the influence of PCP That was shot four separate times 50,000, colts every time, and pull the darts out like King Kong on top of the Empire State Building. That's when you start wondering if she you should have came to work that day.

 

[WildHorses24]

I understand the, just don't resist aspect, but geeze. Use a taser, shoot out his knees, something else besides ending another persons life.

Looks like he did try non lethal first... I read somewhere that tasers only work 50% of the time on drug users.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

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Know offence, but he shoots out his knees and gets sued for ....
My feeling is if your pulling the trigger, you dont want the bad guy to be there to sue later.

There is going to be a lawsuit, no matter what the outcome. That's the world we live in.

Maybe my opinion came off the wrong way. I am not advocating for the perp. I just don't want to see another cop dragged through the dirt, because that is what the majority of society and the media will do in today's age.

Have you ever thought about going on some ridealongs? Maybe a citizens academy??? Until you've walked in the shoes, I'd save the armchair quarterbacking for mondaynight football.

I have been on several ride alongs and some of my closest friends are LEO. No armchair quarterbacking here, just stating my opinion on the matter, that's it.

 

[Ballyhoo]

I understand the, just don't resist aspect, but geeze. Use a taser, shoot out his knees, something else besides ending another persons life.

Like I have said before; Use of force by the police, especially deadly force, is NEVER pretty. Its very easy to second guess this video clip. But there are additional facts that we dont have. ALL of these facts, the cops training, work experience and most importantly, his perception of whats happening or about to happen counts. Tasers and other less lethal options can be an option, under certain circumstances but they are flat out, not reliable. There is no magic weapon for cops.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Like I have said before; Use of force by the police, especially deadly force, is NEVER pretty. Its very easy to second guess this video clip. But there are additional facts that we dont have. ALL of these facts, the cops training, work experience and most importantly, his perception of whats happening or about to happen counts. Tasers and other less lethal options can be an option, under certain circumstances but they are flat out, not reliable. There is no magic weapon for cops.

Great post and I agree!

I guess my position was not well stated and not perceived the way I wanted (my fault).

I, personally, don't want to see another cop hung to dry by the media, it's getting OLD!

I support LEO and their actions, just wish that situations like this could MAYBE handled differently, given the shit (anti LEO) world we live in now.

 

[Cole Trickle]

Did what they had to do... not trained to wound trained to neutralize the threat.

Center mass until they stop...by the book.[emoji846]

 

[CobraDave]

I'm not sure of all the Circumstances. The video I saw began with the suspect on the ground and the police officer standing over him with his gun out. Obviously something occurred prior to the video starting. I thought a good ground and pound was in order based on the suspect not complying. Again I don't know the facts.

And btw, why can't I view these videos using tapatalk anymore??!!

 

[Hullbilly]

Great post and I agree!

I guess my position was not well stated and not perceived the way I wanted (my fault).

I, personally, don't want to see another cop hung to dry by the media, it's getting OLD!

I support LEO and their actions, just wish that situations like this could MAYBE handled differently, given the shit (anti LEO) world we live in now.

So youre saying you went off half cocked, or not to well thought out.....Hmmmm maybe if you have so many buddies pushin black n whites, you would take advantage of having all the time in the world to craft a well thought out post, and maybe giving the cop the benefit of the doubt....

catching my drift???

 

[THE WIDGE]

There is going to be a lawsuit, no matter what the outcome. That's the world we live in.

Maybe my opinion came off the wrong way. I am not advocating for the perp. I just don't want to see another cop dragged through the dirt, because that is what the majority of society and the media will do in today's age.



I have been on several ride alongs and some of my closest friends are LEO. No armchair quarterbacking here, just stating my opinion on the matter, that's it.

Unfortunately you are armchair quarterbacking when you know little about or been in an officers shoes. It's these type of quick to judge opinions that are the problem. Don't blame a milinieal, just look in the mirror for the times we are in...fight with someone trying to take your gun or that has a gun, and then you can post your opinion..

 

[Hullbilly]

Unfortunately you are armchair quarterbacking when you know little about or been in an offices shoes. It's these type of quick to judge opinions that Are are the problem. Don't blame a milinieal, just look in the mirror for the times we are in...fight while with someone trying to take your gun or that has a gun, and then you can post your opinion..

Being drug through the dirt by the media is a shitload better then leaving a widow and fatherless kids at home.....Do you're job as you were trained, go home...The rest is small stuff, and you don't sweat the small stuff.

Unfortuneatly it is now part of the job, but you can't let that crap cause you to second guess your reactions, or hesitate

 

[92 cole]

Did what they had to do... not trained to wound trained to neutralize the threat.

Center mass until they stop...by the book.[emoji846]

VERY WELL AGREE. The officer was acting in the proper way. The perp goes home in a box or the officer does. It is in the book and the L.E.O is doing his job. The worst part is "he WILL be affected by his actions but the best part is he will go home to his family. Worst part is the perp's Family will sue and the lawyers will do everything to prove he was a perfect law abiding citizen to win. $$$$$$$$$$$$ BULLSHIT. I feel sorry for the officer. M

 

[Ballyhoo]

I ride the fence , my first thought is why didn't try to hand cuff or taser when kid was on the ground?

I believe , by what I have been told that if u pull the weapon, u shoot to kill , maybe the Leo's on here can elaborate more on this.

Then said, he was holding a hostage with a weapon, while robbing the 7-11
Hmmmm

[emoji202]

Shoot to stop the threat. That is what we are trained to do. Not shoot to kill or injure. Most folks are conditioned to expect the shoot to injure thing. That is a poor tactic that is not trained by anyone. Why? Because it doesn't work and it gets cops killed.

I get the questions and feelings from some. Why did this happen? Why couldn't the cop do this or that? They are legit questions from folks that have no police experience. They are also the same questions that cop will face during the investigation into this incident. I can sit here and bang on these keys all day, telling you about the laws concerning police use of force, the polices, the training and everything else BUT until you have actually lived it, had somebody say f!&k you and fight you, try to actually hurt and or kill you, grab at your gun, shoot at you, I just dont think many will understand.

Do know that this will be thoroughly investigated and the district attorneys office will evaluate the findings to see if any crimes were committed by the officer.

 

[Ballyhoo]

I get you brother. This just looked excessive IMO, that's it.

I am tired of these millennial assholes being anti cop and I want that to change, but this situation will not help. Thats all I am saying.

The perception from an incident like this is almost always bad for the police, why? Because when police use force, its never pretty. Watch the biased mainstream media. They will bust out with some antique pic of this guy from 7th grade and label him an innocent pedestrian. They will not include any of the pertinent facts. Its the same story each time and many folks swallow that bait.

 

[AzGeo]

But i can't reach for it right. Lol [emoji106] [emoji202]

Not twice ...............

 

[Ballyhoo]

Just going to have to agree to disagree on this one man. My opinion is that I think it could have been handled differently. HB PD had been under a lot of scrutiny already, prior to this.

Not trying to make enemies or get into a confrontation online with peeps, just sharing my opinion on the matter.

I keep responding to you in hopes of shedding some light on this type of stuff. You are not alone in your lay persons judgement of this situation. Every situation "could" be handled differently. Fortunately cops are not judged by looking at a video clip and coming to a decision based on the clip and what we know as factual AFTER the incident is over. Our Supreme Court has never wavered on how these incidents should be looked at in the eyes of the law. A situation like this is a rapidly evolving, violent incident. The cop has to make split second decisions based on his life experience, police training, police experience, what he knew about the call and person and what he perceives at the time all of this is evolving violent incident. He is trying to get this guy in custody, protect the public and make sure he goes home safe. He is reacting to the actions of this guy who is not cooperating, fighting with him and trying to take things from his equipment belt. If that isnt scary enough, the cop is also wondering if there are other bad guys near waiting to help their friend. Most folks will never have to deal with anything like this and that is a good thing. Its easy to have an opinion on this clip and everybody can have an opinion. Cops cant hit the pause or rewind button. They dont have that luxury. Opinions are but get past the ugliness of seeing someone shot and killed, wait for and get all the facts, then decide.

If anyone would like to read about actual police shooting investigations, the Orange County DAs office publishes their findings on every police shooting they investigate. It gives you a real good idea behind the legal standard and how these shootings are viewed legally. Just search for the OCDAs public web site and check the menu. It can be interesting and enlightening.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I hope the Officer buys a better gun. If there would have been 2 more shitbags like the first, he might not have gone home.

 

[Andy01]

Joe there's nothing excessive about going home, one guy may be a slight threat one guy might kill you just to get to the 7-11 he can rob to put $21 in his pocket to get high for 17 minutes. You willing to find out his plan? Or do you want your wife to kiss you and tell you she's happy you made home again after protecting and saving people she's never meet?

Mother fucker had it coming! He came up short on his gamble, cop was trained, he was a criminal. [emoji1303]

 

[Andy01]

Orrrr that shit bag grabs a gun from a officer while your walking out with your wonderful family. You willing to let the officer see if he has enough hand to hand skills so your family lives? Or should he smoke his ass so all of you make it home safe.

 

[Trash]

That's cool buddy, but nothing I have read has said anything about a hostage or robbery attempt. If someone has the link to that story, please share.Shoot the knee with a gun, not a taser. He injured and stopped him with the first FEW shots. He proceeded to completely unload his magazine on him while he was stumbling.....not right IMO.

You don't shoot knees out with a gun. That is moronic. First its nearly impossible to hit. Second it won't stop the threat. Leaking out their hydraulic fluid or hitting the T box (CNS) is how threats are stopped.

 

[milkmoney]

Shoot to stop the threat. That is what we are trained to do. Not shoot to kill or injure. Most folks are conditioned to expect the shoot to injure thing. That is a poor tactic that is not trained by anyone. Why? Because it doesn't work and it gets cops killed.

I get the questions and feelings from some. Why did this happen? Why couldn't the cop do this or that? They are legit questions from folks that have no police experience. They are also the same questions that cop will face during the investigation into this incident. I can sit here and bang on these keys all day, telling you about the laws concerning police use of force, the polices, the training and everything else BUT until you have actually lived it, had somebody say f!&k you and fight you, try to actually hurt and or kill you, grab at your gun, shoot at you, I just dont think many will understand.

Do know that this will be thoroughly investigated and the district attorneys office will evaluate the findings to see if any crimes were committed by the officer.

Thanks. I am a firm supporter of shooting/ killing the bad guys that deserve it ...if there is no other option ,
Thug goes into box, good cop goes home
Win win
[emoji202]

Edit: I know everytime I grab my gun , ( for protection) to walk outside , I get a totally different mentality them when I am jus walking outside without it.
Meaning, if I need to grab it for the reason of protecting my property, animals or family, I am prepared to use it , I guess is why I support the officers that pull their weapon to use it for the same reasons , protection

 

[Cole Trickle]

I have a bunch of close friends that are Leo's. A couple that have been involved in fatal shootings on the clock....trust me when I tell you they didn't want to kill someone and they now have to live with that daily.

The shit they deal and the situations they get put in are bananas. There are a ton of fucked up people in this world that have no issues smoking someone for $25.

Like mentioned if you are an officer and put in harms way and it comes down to me or you believe me it's going to be you. My only goal would be to protect the public and finish my shift alive so I can get home to my family......I could literally give two shits about a criminal that refuses to listen to an officers instructions. People all of a sudden think they are above the law.

 

[dribble]

I understand the, just don't resist aspect, but geeze. Use a taser, shoot out his knees, something else besides ending another persons life.

You try hitting someones 4 inch wide moving knees without being able to line up the front and rear sights in that situation. That only works on TV.

 

[Taboma]

I couldn't give two shits about the dead tweaker, but sorry for the BS the cop will get drug through.
But, I am curious how many rounds found flesh and underwhelmed by the stopping power of a 9MM. Given it eventually took him down and the possibility the guy was high as a kite, but had he been a 300 pounder, that cop might have needed that 2nd mag the perp seemed to have grabbed.

 

[RogerThat99]

I agree it doesn't help. But I grew up with NO one telling me to not resist cops and definitely don't touch one when they are doing there job. It's just common sense.

I couldn't agree more. It was just common sense back then. I would be with my Dad when I was a kid and run into one of his buddies that were cops. I didn't even want to touch their motorcycle when they said I could...let alone try to grab something off their belt.

You have a tough job nowadays compounded by not knowing who is on your side and who isn't. Thank you for your service!! :thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[wsuwrhr]

Come on peeps, OSB already said his post came off wrong. I like OSB, he is cool peeps and his family is wonderful.

Dudes got 5 kids, probably trying for 6 pretty soon. He is a lover, not a fighter.

Brian

Just going to have to agree to disagree on this one man. My opinion is that I think it could have been handled differently. HB PD had been under a lot of scrutiny already, prior to this.

Not trying to make enemies or get into a confrontation online with peeps, just sharing my opinion on the matter.

There is going to be a lawsuit, no matter what the outcome. That's the world we live in.

Maybe my opinion came off the wrong way. I am not advocating for the perp. I just don't want to see another cop dragged through the dirt, because that is what the majority of society and the media will do in today's age.

I have been on several ride alongs and some of my closest friends are LEO. No armchair quarterbacking here, just stating my opinion on the matter, that's it.

Joe there's nothing excessive about going home, one guy may be a slight threat one guy might kill you just to get to the 7-11 he can rob to put $21 in his pocket to get high for 17 minutes. You willing to find out his plan? Or do you want your wife to kiss you and tell you she's happy you made home again after protecting and saving people she's never meet?

Mother fucker had it coming! He came up short on his gamble, cop was trained, he was a criminal. [emoji1303]

You try hitting someones 4 inch wide moving knees without being able to line up the front and rear sights in that situation. That only works on TV.

 

[BHC Vic]

I've taken a couple ccw training courses, kind of opened my eyes to somemthings

 

[Yellowboat]

I always hate that these videos only show the last little bit. How long were they struggling? Did he have a weapon at any of that time? What was said?





Lots of q, very little a

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Come on peeps, OSB already said his post came off wrong. I like OSB, he is cool peeps and his family is wonderful.

Dudes got 5 kids, probably trying for 6 pretty soon. He is a lover, not a fighter.

Brian

Thanks Brian, it's cool. I knew it would be a heated topic. Just a friendly conversation. I have my opinion, others have theirs.

I should have started the thread with a sentence more like :

"well fuck, another cop is going to be crucified in the media and online, could this have been handled differently?"

For the most part it has been an enlightening conversation, and everyone has behaved like adults...... so far! [emoji106]

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yeap, I saw what you typed, didn't start off good, but I get it.

I say we get another good, "My 5.0 ish liter engine in my truck can pull my 6K lb boat up a grade in 3rd gear at 4K RPMs "like nothing"" thread going.

Lotsogemsinthatone.

Brian

Thanks Brian, it's cool. I knew it would be a heated topic. Just a friendly conversation. I have my opinion, others have theirs.

I should have started the thread with a sentence more like :

"well fuck, another cop is going to be crucified in the media and online, could this have been handled differently?"

For the most part it has been an enlightening conversation, and everyone has behaved like adults...... so far! [emoji106]

 

[nowski]

I always hate that these videos only show the last little bit. How long were they struggling? Did he have a weapon at any of that time? What was said?





Lots of q, very little a

If you look at the very end of the video right before the guy hits the ground you can see something fall out of his right hand. My guess it's probably a knife...

 

[Bigbore500r]

I'll tell you what I've never been shot by a cop because I don't do stupid shit like that

Indisputable fact! [emoji106]

 

[RP1]

I understand the, just don't resist aspect, but geeze. Use a taser, shoot out his knees, something else besides ending another persons life.

Easy to make judgement calls like this when you're not in the situation. Ignorance is bliss.

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Easy to make judgement calls like this when you're not in the situation. Ignorance is bliss.

Cool man. Glad that calling me ignorant is one of your 85 posts! [emoji106] [emoji41]

I feel honored now!!

 

[milkmoney]

Easy to make judgement calls like this when you're not in the situation. Ignorance is bliss.

Did u not read the whole thread ?
[emoji202]

 

[RP1]

Cool man. Glad that calling me ignorant is one of your 85 posts! [emoji106] [emoji41]

I feel honored now!!

I'll try and make time to post 3,000 times a year like yourself.:rolleyes

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

If you look at the very end of the video right before the guy hits the ground you can see something fall out of his right hand. My guess it's probably a knife...

News said that it was one of the cops magazines he had in his hand. At first I thought it looked like he grabbed the mase from his belt.