Graphic: Las Cruces Officer Stabbed - Body Cam

[FROGMAN524]

Pretty tough to watch. Prayers for his wife and kids that they can have a normal life of some kind.

Warning: Graphic!

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/tN0HrwqLiT

 

[RVRKID]

Mother F that is F'd up, just glad the guy shot that POS dead!

 

[poncho]

Well, that really sucked. Every time somebody complains about lethal force show them that, matter of seconds lives change.

RIP Officer

 

[WYRD]

Couldn't watch it you have to download the app

 

[yz450mm]

That makes me sick to my stomach. Thank God for the good Samaritan that took out the asshole and stayed with the officer till the end.

 

[boatpi]

At times due to political pressure, some officers fail the act quick enough during a deadly threat situation. I’ve seen this several times over the last year.
Also, in a lot of rural police departments their tactic training is far inferior . Probably near the top of the list is the RCMP in Canada.. it’s a shame because many of these officers would’ve easily survived had they had top-notch tactical training.

 

[napanutt]

Couldn't watch it you have to download the app

Right? I hate Reddit.

 

[BabyRay]

Yep, Reddit is full of pissy liberals. Its like a cousin of NextDoor.

 

[napanutt]

Yep, Reddit is full of pissy liberals. Its like a cousin of NextDoor.

Or Snopes. Or Ticktoc. Or FB. Or…or….

 

[t&y]

At times due to political pressure, some officers fail the act quick enough during a deadly threat situation. I’ve seen this several times over the last year.
Also, in a lot of rural police departments their tactic training is far inferior . Probably near the top of the list is the RCMP in Canada.. it’s a shame because many of these officers would’ve easily survived had they had top-notch tactical training.

Mindset and training go a long way. I don't want to speculate as to this guy's experience, but there is a reason why most cops I know approach with hand on gun on traffic stops or suspicious person calls like this. You either know or you don't.

Hope this cop recovers.

 

[4Waters]

The way he jumped up as he was contacted should have been a red flag but @boatpi is probably right about the political pressure on cops right now.

 

[Rondog4405]

Dammit that was horrible to watch and listen to at the end...

 

[Backlash]

Mindset and training go a long way. I don't want to speculate as to this guy's experience, but there is a reason why most cops I know approach with hand on gun on traffic stops or suspicious person calls like this. You either know or you don't.

Hope this cop recovers.

Agreed 100%.

Unfortunately he didn't survive and died from the injuries. Helluva good job on the part of the good Samaritan for eliminating the threat AND for staying with this officer until the end.

RIP young man, you paid the ultimate sacrifice to serve your community.

 

[HTTP404]

Police are reluctant to draw their weapon these days.

 

[Backlash]

Police are reluctant to draw their weapon these days.

I respectfully disagree with you Sir. Those who want to go home at the end of their shift are not the least bit hesitant.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Wow that was tough. Playing Monday QB the signs were there. So tough to watch. Prayers for the fallen officer and their family!

 

[Xring01]

And here we are and its legal to do drugs in public…
What can go wrong…

Every politician needs see this video, on why public drug use should be illegal..

and figure out why the perp states “your not real are you”… maybe just maybe.. enforce the laws on the books, and fire every fucking DA who doesnt do their fucking jobs.

No I am pissed.

 

[shunter2005]

I can't see the video, so I don't know the outcome. Over the years, in every single officer safety/defense training class I attended, the instructors stated if a man with a knife gets within 7 ft of you (even if you have your weapon out an pointed at him), he can attack and stab you before you can react and pull the trigger. As fast as your brain is, it can't react fast enough to tell your hand to pull the trigger at that distance or closer. He knows what he is going to do. You don't, so you have to react to his movements and most aren't fast enough to stop it.

Did the officer survive?

 

[4Waters]

I can't see the video, so I don't know the outcome. Over the years, in every single officer safety/defense training class I attended, the instructors stated if a man with a knife gets within 7 ft of you (even if you have your weapon out an pointed at him), he can attack and stab you before you can react and pull the trigger. As fast as your brain is, it can't react fast enough to tell your hand to pull the trigger at that distance or closer. He knows what he is going to do. You don't, so you have to react to his movements and most aren't fast enough to stop it.

Did the officer survive?

No he did not survive, he was stabbed in the neck severing a jugular, a good sumairtin shot and killed the suspect

 

[FROGMAN524]

Mindset and training go a long way. I don't want to speculate as to this guy's experience, but there is a reason why most cops I know approach with hand on gun on traffic stops or suspicious person calls like this. You either know or you don't.

Hope this cop recovers.

He died at the scene

New Mexico officer stabbed to death while on duty before suspect is shot and killed by witness, police say

Las Cruces Patrol Officer Jonah Hernandez was fatally stabbed by a suspect who was shot and killed by a witness to the attack, police said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[FROGMAN524]

RIP brother

 

[Bullet28]

RIP

 

[shunter2005]

No he did not survive, he was stabbed in the neck severing a jugular, a good sumairtin shot and killed the suspect

Very sorry to hear that. I've been retired for 15 years and I still get choked up. RIP.....

 

[Backlash]

I can't see the video, so I don't know the outcome. Over the years, in every single officer safety/defense training class I attended, the instructors stated if a man with a knife gets within 7 ft of you (even if you have your weapon out an pointed at him), he can attack and stab you before you can react and pull the trigger. As fast as your brain is, it can't react fast enough to tell your hand to pull the trigger at that distance or closer. He knows what he is going to do. You don't, so you have to react to his movements and most aren't fast enough to stop it.

Did the officer survive?

In many cases, that 7' "Rule" has been pushed back to 21-25'. Yes. A skilled person with a knife can close that distance and fatally stab/cut a person before that person can unholster and accurately discharge their weapon, stopping the threat. It's all about reaction time and the ability to recognize the threat, making the conscious decision to reach for the weapon, disengage the safety on the holster, withdraw the weapon, aim and fire the weapon and accurately address the advancing suspect. The average person's reaction time is around 1.5 seconds, which doesn't leave much time for unholstering and discharging the weapon as an armed subject is advancing.

The quickest I've personally witnessed is .93 seconds. This drill was at 7 yards, timed from the sound of the buzzer to the sound of the shot going off. The goal was to quickly and accurately hit the target at center mass from this distance. The shooter is a young man who was a Marine Corps sniper shooting a Glock 17 with an Aimpoint red dot, from a Level II duty holster with the holster safety engaged. Impressive to say the least. He's by far one of the best shooters I've had the chance to work along side.

I'm not trying to derail the thread or critique what happened with this young officer and the horrific outcome. I just wanted to briefly touch on reaction times and what I've had the opportunity to witness with my own eyes.

 

[4Waters]

In many cases, that 7' "Rule" has been pushed back to 21-25'. Yes. A skilled person with a knife can close that distance and fatally stab/cut a person before that person can unholster and accurately discharge their weapon, stopping the threat. It's all about reaction time and the ability to recognize the threat, making the conscious decision to reach for the weapon, disengage the safety on the holster, withdraw the weapon, aim and fire the weapon and accurately address the advancing suspect. The average person's reaction time is around 1.5 seconds, which doesn't leave much time for unholstering and discharging the weapon as an armed subject is advancing.

The quickest I've personally witnessed is .93 seconds. This drill was at 7 yards, timed from the sound of the buzzer to the sound of the shot going off. The goal was to quickly and accurately hit the target at center mass from this distance. The shooter is a young man who was a Marine Corps sniper shooting a Glock 17 with an Aimpoint red dot, from a Level II duty holster with the holster safety engaged. Impressive to say the least. He's by far one of the best shooters I've had the chance to work along side.

I'm not trying to derail the thread or critique what happened with this young officer and the horrific outcome. I just wanted to briefly touch on reaction times and what I've had the opportunity to witness with my own eyes.

This incident will change training protocols within departments and the video will be shown as part of training. His death will ultimately help other officers go home at the end of their shift.

RIP

 

[t&y]

This incident will change training protocols within departments and the video will be shown as part of training. His death will ultimately help other officers go home at the end of their shift.

RIP

Unfortunately this is true. It always takes someone to die for the brass to wake back up and to relocate their balls. To often it's too late and they've created some new policy or some new outside oversight committee to review and critique every action of the officers making split second decisions in the field. I watch and review these types of video's frequently (not always involving death) and to say officers are more reluctant to take any action in today's environment is an understatement.

The anti cop movement has been winning for a few long years now and unfortunately the powers creating and changing laws are right there with them. Truly sad this way this went down.

 

[Luvnlife]

Sucks for that family. I’m no professional but I wouldn’t have got that close till I knew what I was dealing with.

 

[Xring01]

Gangbangers dont scare me at all…

Homeless fucks! Terrify me! Because there is a high likelihood they are crazy to begin with, and if you combine that with todays drugs.

You get videos like this.

 

[Xring01]

Another officer down

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...tate-police-officer-fatally-shot-h-rcna143630

 

[boatpi]

You don’t run from a threat you confront it. You might take cover or concealment, but that’s about it. In a case like this continue good training would’ve taught someone to maybe immediately go to the ground and roll once or twice changing the target of the suspect and when you roll around, pull your weapon and shoot in the end, you always have to be prepared. You don’t look down at your seatbelt when you’re getting out of the car, you stay in the car with the window roll off of a man man comes up with a gun never take your eyes off the hand of a Suspect.
I’ve been in multiple shootings and been shot at even more than that. Maybe I’m lucky to be alive, but it was the exceptional training that I received that made the difference.

 

[Xring01]

You don’t run from a threat you confront it. You might take cover or concealment, but that’s about it. In a case like this continue good training would’ve taught someone to maybe immediately go to the ground and roll once or twice changing the target of the suspect and when you roll around, pull your weapon and shoot in the end, you always have to be prepared. You don’t look down at your seatbelt when you’re getting out of the car, you stay in the car with the window roll off of a man man comes up with a gun never take your eyes off the hand of a Suspect.
I’ve been in multiple shootings and been shot at even more than that. Maybe I’m lucky to be alive, but it was the exceptional training that I received that made the difference.

Damn brother, shit situations you have been in, sorry to here it.

Stay safe

 

[SternDrive]

I hate to see officers working alone..It is bad for everyone involved.

 

[boatpi]

Sad to say here is another officer murdered. It seems poor tactics again, allowing someone to walk u to your patrol car door. RIP
NOT.

Authorities are seeking a suspect now identified in a New Mexico state police officer’s killing

The victim was identified as New Mexico state police officer Justin Hare.

www.fox5vegas.com

 

[Not_Tonto]

I cannot wait to leave New Mexico. This state is rampant with criminals and a government that simply does not care. This will continue to occur.

 

[rrrr]

Sad to say here is another officer murdered. It seems poor tactics again, allowing someone to walk u to your patrol car door. RIP
NOT.

Authorities are seeking a suspect now identified in a New Mexico state police officer’s killing

The victim was identified as New Mexico state police officer Justin Hare.

www.fox5vegas.com

NMSP have lost three officers in the last nine months.

Rest easy, guys.

Training. Stop the BS. There are bad guys out there.

 

[81Sprint]

Every time I drive back to Texas, I try to limit my stops as much as possible between border of Arizona and get as far past El Paso as I can. That whole corridor has gotten sketchy. I refuse to stay overnight in that area.

 

[Backlash]

There was one hotel in Las Cruces we would stay at, but even that area has gotten worrisome. I unloaded everything from our car at night and stuffed it in our hotel room for the evening. Early morning would come, and I'd be shoving it all back into the car before we left. Even with bikes locked to the racks and everything locked to the car, I still felt unsure about leaving it out overnight. Tweakers and thieves have a way of ruining your day.

 

[81Sprint]

There was one hotel in Las Cruces we would stay at, but even that area has gotten worrisome. I unloaded everything from our car at night and stuffed it in our hotel room for the evening. Early morning would come, and I'd be shoving it all back into the car before we left. Even with bikes locked to the racks and everything locked to the car, I still felt unsure about leaving it out overnight. Tweakers and thieves have a way of ruining your day.

I usually will stay in Benson AZ, and then push to Fort Stockton TX. I used to stay in Las Cruces as well, not anymore.

 

[TeamGreene]

I haven't seen the body camera of the police shooting in Apple Valley but this certainly sheds a new light on why that resulted the way it did. RIP to this protector and prayers to his family. May the prep burn in hell.

 

[DLC]

RIP Officer Hernandez

Prayers sent out to His family and his boys!

 

[rrrr]

Write off New Mexico as another state destroyed by Democrats. They've convinced the tribes and Hispanics they're victims of heteropatriarchal white supremacy, and turned most of the population into victims needing the largess of government to survive.

My birthplace is now a shithole.

@playdeep can provide more details.

 

[playdeep]

Write off New Mexico as another state destroyed by Democrats. They've convinced the tribes and Hispanics they're victims of heteropatriarchal white supremacy, and turned most of the population into victims needing the largess of government to survive.

My birthplace is now a shithole.

@playdeep can provide more details.

Don't even get me started...
49/50 in Education/median income.
1st in the nation in auto theft(several years running)
1st in the nation in violent crimes per capita.
Top 5 I believe in murders per capita.
This state has become Uber liberal with catch and release being the operative modus operandi.
Northern part of the state has been overrun by liberal asshole Californians.
Our cunt liberal governor making headlines by her concealed carry 2nd amendment edict which was immediately ruled unconstitutional...
I was born and raised in New Mexico and I truly love the land itself for it's beauty and uniqueness but as rrrr stated...N.M. especially albuquerque has become a 3rd world country shithole.
I'm thinking it's time to move on...

 

[2$short]

My younger sister is a graveyard ER nurse at the hospital in Las Cruces she was off the night the officer was killed but from what she told me her coworkers said it was an absolutely awful night for all of the staff there that night. She also told me that if she had been at work that night she doesn’t think she could’ve handled herself both emotionally and mentally. Rest in peace heroes Rest in peace

 

[rrrr]

Don't even get me started...
49/50 in Education/median income.
1st in the nation in auto theft(several years running)
1st in the nation in violent crimes per capita.
Top 5 I believe in murders per capita.
This state has become Uber liberal with catch and release being the operative modus operandi.
Northern part of the state has been overrun by liberal asshole Californians.
Our cunt liberal governor making headlines by her concealed carry 2nd amendment edict which was immediately ruled unconstitutional...
I was born and raised in New Mexico and I truly love the land itself for it's beauty and uniqueness but as rrrr stated...N.M. especially albuquerque has become a 3rd world country shithole.
I'm thinking it's time to move on...

It's gut wrenching. We had such good times, the desert and mountains provided a backdrop that lives in my memory. The reality is sickening.

 

[4Waters]

It's gut wrenching. We had such good times, the desert and mountains provided a backdrop that lives in my memory. The reality is sickening.

Those of us that grew up in socal have the same feelings