Graphic! At the coin op car wash

[TPC]

 

[4Waters]

"You wanna go home tonight? Go back to your car. You picked the wrong night to come to work."



He has the drop on you dumbass

To add, I hope that cops nickname is Smokey because he smoked that fool

 

[Angler]

RELAX DUDE!

 

[CLdrinker]

Sucks the bad guy thought that was his best option.
But he did find out.

 

[Cdog]

Lil cock sucker got ventilated

 

[Big B Hova]

Bye Felica

 

[MPHSystems]

Why didn’t I see any muzzle flash?

what triggered LE to start firing at that moment?

 

[traquer]

Fake tough words from that little bitch. Reminded me of this video I saw earlier today. This prolly what the cop was thinking the whole time lol..

 

[havasujeeper]

FAFO
Adios

 

[poncho]

Almost looks like he suicided himself.

 

[DUN]

Almost looks like he suicided himself.

That's what I think, went from cordial to weighing the options, and then ultimately fuckin around n' finding out

 

[Backlash]

Watch those fucking hands!!! Damn that shit made me nervous from the get-go!!!

 

[Romans9]

Sorry the LEO had to go through this.

I hope he has the support system he needs to be able to fully recover and return to his job.

Thanks officer. One less shit bag threatening my family and friends.

 

[Mcob25rg]

Love a happy ending

 

[Bigbore500r]

 

[FCT]

Sad deal. I’d definitely say that was a suicide mission.

Hopefully the officer can find peace. He did what he had to do to make it home to his family

 

[ChumpChange]

Why didn’t I see any muzzle flash?

what triggered LE to start firing at that moment?

I’m guessing the kid lifted the gun.

 

[Flat freak]

Zero drama from the cop, he just made Dirty Harry proud as shit.

 

[TPC]

Watch those fucking hands!!! Damn that shit made me nervous from the get-go!!!

Had me reaching for my 9 too.

 

[Bigbore500r]

On a serious note - what a fucked situation for the LEO

That kid made a real poor choice, I wonder if it was suicide or just a very braindead course of action

Either way - FAFO in full effect, ,and rightfully so

 

[STV_Keith]

That cop was cool as a cucumber. Never got worked up, no heavy breathing, tactical reload in the lull. Great training.

 

[poncho]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this is one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

 

[HBCraig]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

This sounds like it's straight from the 1st ammendment auditor handbook

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

I often hear people say that young people today are no different than they were back "in the day" and that the media and phone cameras as well as body cams just records more of it. I disagree and think the lack of respect, sense of entitlement, and the "I know my rights" BS is off the charts. I believe the increase is due to poor parenting, indoctrination by our "education" system, and social media. There are so many videos of this kind of behavior all over the internet. I'm not talking about to this degree with a weapon but just the attitude.

As far as this particular incident, I think the LEO showed a high level of professionalism, remaining calm and focused. I see so many LEO's getting overly excited and barking out conflicting commands and yelling "fucking" every other word. Granted, these are high stress, life or death situations but train, train , train and you will be better equipped to handle the incident. Like Arnold once said, "You can tell the measure of a man by how reacts in a crisis situation".

I also think he did not need to immediately ask for ID and perhaps should have asked the kid if there was anything he could do to help. At the same time, the kid looked and acted a bit suspicious so he probably would have eventually wanted to ID him anyway or show some proof of ownership of the car.

 

[poncho]

I often hear people say that young people today are no different than they were back "in the day" and that the media and phone cameras as well as body cams just records more of it. I disagree and think the lack of respect, sense of entitlement, and the "I know my rights" BS is off the charts. I believe the increase is due to poor parenting, indoctrination by our "education" system, and social media. There are so many videos of this kind of behavior all over the internet. I'm not talking about to this degree with a weapon but just the attitude.

As far as this particular incident, I think the LEO showed a high level of professionalism, remaining calm and focused. I see so many LEO's getting overly excited and barking out conflicting commands and yelling "fucking" every other word. Granted, these are high stress, life or death situations but train, train , train and you will be better equipped to handle the incident. Like Arnold once said, "You can tell the measure of a man by how reacts in a crisis situation".

I also think he did not need to immediately ask for ID and perhaps should have asked the kid if there was anything he could do to help. At the same time, the kid looked and acted a bit suspicious so he probably would have eventually wanted to ID him anyway or show some proof of ownership of the car.

I've always felt when I'm in a situation like this the Cop is satisfied in his mind that the stop is justified, never had much luck with saying you had no right to pull me over. It's possible it's not a justified stop or asking for ID may not have been the best protocol but without an independent arbitrator to sort it out it's you and him or her.
How the rest of it goes can be up to me and I don't see any gain in arguing outside the courtroom unfortunately.
I was a shit when I was younger and thinking back my attitude set the tone for a bunch of drama I no longer want to have anything to do with.

 

[clark]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this is one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

BULLSHIT

 

[WYRD]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this is one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

Pretty sure probable cause came into play when the officer noticed the ignition wires hanging out. Officer kept his cool did not escalate the situation.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

My question, after that many shots the kid was still able to start the car?

 

[CoronaChris]

time to fire up the power washer.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Pretty sure probable cause came into play when the officer noticed the ignition wires hanging out. Officer kept his cool did not escalate the situation.

Exactly. As soon as he said that, he had to verify identity and ownership of the vehicle. I was waiting to hear his radio come back with the car being stolen.

 

[Backlash]

I've always felt when I'm in a situation like this the Cop is satisfied in his mind that the stop is justified, never had much luck with saying you had no right to pull me over. It's possible it's not a justified stop or asking for ID may not have been the best protocol but without an independent arbitrator to sort it out it's you and him or her.
How the rest of it goes can be up to me and I don't see any gain in arguing outside the courtroom unfortunately.
I was a shit when I was younger and thinking back my attitude set the tone for a bunch of drama I no longer want to have anything to do with.

He was absolutely justified to request ID once there was reasonable suspicion that a crime was occurring or had occurred, as mentioned. Suspicion that the vehicle was stolen. There are plenty of articulable facts that justify his request.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this is one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

I don't think there is any such think as an unlawful request for ID when a person is operating a motor vehicle. Pretty sure it is a requirement of any state to produce it when asked.

 

[4Waters]

It's my understanding that the dumbass did some time for threatening to shoot up a school.

 

[boatpi]

Another illustration of poor tactics, he’s lucky to be alive who approaches a car with blackout windows with your radio on your left hand and your flashlight in your right hand how many gun hands does that leave for you to use?

 

[poncho]

It's my understanding that the dumbass did some time for threatening to shoot up a school.

Some people are broken

 

[NIKAL]

The dead guy was Michael Anthony Estrada. 30 years old. In 2017 he threatened to shoot children at his former Elementary school. He was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for it.

This guy was a scum bag! At 30 he stole a car and he wanted to play a tough guy and fortunately he lost.

 

[4Waters]

The dead guy was Michael Anthony Estrada. 30 years old. In 2017 he threatened to shoot children at his former Elementary school. He was sentenced to 2 1/2 years in prison for it.

This guy was a scum bag! At 30 he stole a car and he wanted to play a tough guy and fortunately he lost.

So some truth to my post #33, I wasn't completely sure

 

[LuauLounge]

The cop knew that car was stolen from the time the door was opened, if not before.
Did he continue to talk with the driver waiting for backup or ?

 

[TPC]

Car Wash owner probably called the police with activity like the thug was up to.

We rolled into the coin Op Car wash in Sedona in the Can AM covered with mud. Thick and sticky.
I told the wife; "the owner will roll up here in minutes".
The wife: "How do you know" as the car wash owner rolled up.

Owner got out of his truck and asked that when I "was done if I'd wash all the mud off the deck and leave the stall as clean as my wifes kitchen."

Many owners watch their business from home on their security cameras, or on their cell phones.

 

[WYRD]

Another illustration of poor tactics, he’s lucky to be alive who approaches a car with blackout windows with your radio on your left hand and your flashlight in your right hand how many gun hands does that leave for you to use?

That was kind of my thought in the beginning as well. Also I don't like the positioning of his car. Shit goes sideways leave them no room for cover. In my opinion he should have pulled up from the rear of the car and spotlighted it

 

[PlanB]

Another illustration of poor tactics, he’s lucky to be alive who approaches a car with blackout windows with your radio on your left hand and your flashlight in your right hand how many gun hands does that leave for you to use?

That made me anxious as well. Keep your gun hand clear, always. One of the things that was drilled into our heads from day one in the academy.

 

[t&y]

The level of stupidity in society today is mind boggling, this is one of several comments I saw. To me a hood up is a sign of needing help, much like a helmet placed on the ground behind a motorcycle. Obeying an officer is not optional or multiple choice.

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID. If the cop would have asked if he needed help, got no for an answer then left he would not have been placed in a position to shoot a man that may or may not have had a gun but was obviously having a bad day that the cop escalated into a fatal shooting of dubious justification. FLAME ON.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[t&y]

Another illustration of poor tactics, he’s lucky to be alive who approaches a car with blackout windows with your radio on your left hand and your flashlight in your right hand how many gun hands does that leave for you to use?

Ummm Excuse me sir. Using the tactical light that is mounted on the gun to illuminate an area is just not allowed... so you need an administrative light... I wish I was kidding.

 

[poncho]

Car Wash owner probably called the police with activity like the thug was up to.

We rolled into the coin Op Car wash in Sedona in the Can AM covered with mud. Thick and sticky.
I told the wife; "the owner will roll up here in minutes".
The wife: "How do you know" as the car wash owner rolled up.

Owner got out of his truck and asked that when I "was done if I'd wash all the mud off the deck and leave the stall as clean as my wifes kitchen."

Many owners watch their business from home on their security cameras, or on their cell phones.

GETINTHEVANIHAVECANDY

 

[DirtyWhiteDog]

When he walks pass the driver's door to the front is where l got the hibby gibbie's

 

[Backlash]

Another illustration of poor tactics, he’s lucky to be alive who approaches a car with blackout windows with your radio on your left hand and your flashlight in your right hand how many gun hands does that leave for you to use?

I couldn't agree more. The use of the radio in the manner he was displaying, is the DUMBEST fucking thing ever. I see guys doing it because they think it looks "Cool," or because their buddy at another agency does it. Holding that brick in your hand takes that hand out of the equation, leaving you only one hand to use for multiple tasks, such as utilizing your firearm if necessary.

If he knew that car was stolen prior to his approach, then that too was a pretty stupid decision. Instead, put yourself in a safe position and wait for additional officers. What's the rush? Now if he approached the vehicle and THEN found out the car was stolen, well, that's a different situation. At that point, position yourself as safely as possible and wait for additional resources.

He made some critical mistakes that could have cost him, but he got lucky. He was definitely cool, calm and collected with his radio transmissions. I'll give him props for that.

 

[TPC]

4 living presidents in NYC

3 are at a party with Colbert and Lizzo

1 is at the wake of a fallen police officer.

Tells me all I need to know.

 

[J.P.]

If a Police officer ask me for my ID I will show it to them I respect and appreciate what they do for a living they never know what kind of shit head their dealing with and I want them to know I'm on their side it seems to work I've never had a problem..

 

[4Waters]

If a Police officer ask me for my ID I will show it to them I respect and appreciate what they do for a living they never know what kind of shit head their dealing with and I want them to know I'm on their side it seems to work I've never had a problem..

Weird right! It's worked for me as well, I haven't gotten shot yet

 

[STV_Keith]

If the dead guy had not committed a crime, or been suspected of committing a crime there was no lawful reason to ask for ID. That is the beginning of the end for the man. It started with an unlawful demand for ID.

From what I can see in the video, the officer walks up and there are wires coming out from under the hood. As soon as the door opens, we don't get the greatest look, but the officer may very well have been able to see the broken steering column. The perp talks about how his ignition switch is broken just about 1:09 in. Sounds like a stolen car to me. Maybe the officer saw more than I can see in the video. Seems like probable cause to me.