Good article about Western water issues and what's coming.

[Mandelon]

As Colorado River Dries, the U.S. Teeters on the Brink of Larger Water Crisis

The megadrought gripping the western states is only part of the problem. Alternative sources of water are also imperiled, and the nation’s food along with it.

www.propublica.org

 

[500bbc]

As Colorado River Dries, the U.S. Teeters on the Brink of Larger Water Crisis

The megadrought gripping the western states is only part of the problem. Alternative sources of water are also imperiled, and the nation’s food along with it.

www.propublica.org

Too much crimate change banter, = liberal propaganda...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Too much crimate change banter, = liberal propaganda...

Yep.

 

[Mandelon]

Whether the drought is caused by manmade climate change or not is pretty much irrelevant. A liberal bent from the press is certainly not surprising. But if it doesn't freakin' rain soon there's gonna have to be some drastic changes in the Western states' use of water.

If the Delta Smelt have to perish, so be it. Almonds can grow somewhere else. But I would really like to have water come out of the faucet when I turn it on.

Imagine how it's going to be when all exterior watering is banned and they put us on a small monthly water budget. Ugh.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Whether the drought is caused by manmade climate change or not is pretty much irrelevant. A liberal bent from the press is certainly not surprising. But if it doesn't freakin' rain soon there's gonna have to be some drastic changes in the Western states' use of water.

If the Delta Smelt have to perish, so be it. Almonds can grow somewhere else. But I would really like to have water come out of the faucet when I turn it on.

Imagine how it's going to be when all exterior watering is banned and they put us on a small monthly water budget. Ugh.

That will do absolutely nothing if they don’t reduce the amount of water for farming and reduce “environmental” releases into the ocean. Residential water use is minuscule.

When So Cal starts using desal and reclaimed water, and actually storing rainfall runoff, you will know there is a real problem.

@was thatguy said it best. If we all succumb to a drought in a state that borders an ocean, we were too stupid to exist.

 

[500bbc]

That will do absolutely nothing if they don’t reduce the amount of water for farming and reduce “environmental” releases into the ocean.

When So Cal starts using desal and reclaimed water, and actually storing rainfall runoff, you will know there is a real problem.

@was thatguy said it best. If we all succumb to a drought in a state that borders and ocean, we were too stupid to exist.

I'd like to see the actual % of residential use, quick search results say 8 to 10% "Urban". What % of "Urban" is residential?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'd like to see the actual % of residential use, quick search results say 8 to 10% "Urban". What % of "Urban" is residential?

Don’t ask questions just limit yore showers to under 3 minutes.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Let’s for the sake of argument say that Urban use is all residential and 10% of all water use.

So you are going to squeeze 10% of the water users to cut their use by 20%?

At 10% residential use cut by 20% you’ve saved 2% of the total water. What does that accomplish? And we know this 2% savings is absurdly high as all urban water use is not residential.

There is no water problem. There are control, mismanagement and tax grab problems.

 

[Roosky01]

That is a depressing read.

 

[hallett21]

My biggest frustration is the amount of money we spend on foreign aid (Ukraine this year).

40 billion would have put a decent dent into a water highway across the US. So would the 50 billion CA wanted to light on fire with a train. Even if you forgo the “highway” those billions could upgrade every farm to become more efficient.

I think there is a real problem and we are banking on the weather to give us an 80s winter to make it all better.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My biggest frustration is the amount of money we spend on foreign aid (Ukraine this year).

40 billion would have put a decent dent into a water highway across the US. So would the 50 billion CA wanted to light on fire with a train. Even if you forgo the “highway” those billions could upgrade every farm to become more efficient.

I think there is a real problem and we are banking on the weather to give us an 80s winter to make it all better.

At the core I do agree, we are dealing with some amount less water in the form of rain in certain areas than was guessed, and certainly more people consuming it.

I don’t think we are anywhere close to faucets running dry.

 

[hallett21]

At the core I do agree, we are dealing with some amount less water in the form of rain in certain areas than was guessed, and certainly more people consuming it.

I don’t think we are anywhere close to faucets running dry.

I don’t think the faucets are running dry either.

But we can’t be America’s garden (and apparently Saudi Arabia’s lol) and be expected to do it with only our resources.

Someone will come on here and tell me to get fucked and that they can grow their potatoes anywhere they want. But we are growing a lot of stuff the majority of the US cannot.

Growing almonds is another one that’s ridiculous. I’m all for farmers making every last dollar they can. But eventually there needs to be some self accountability.

 

[Mandelon]

Using our water to grow alfalfa for Saudi race horses seems smart.

The big farming co-ops are huge donors to Newsome and top Dem leaders in this state. You can bet they will keep squeezing us urban users while allowing exports of water thirsty crops like rice and cotton. The train to nowhere could have been a half dozen desal plants. I don't like the thought of toilet to tap, but recycling what we do use will have to become common all over the state.

 

[hallett21]

Using our water to grow alfalfa for Saudi race horses seems smart.

The big farming co-ops are huge donors to Newsome and top Dem leaders in this state. You can bet they will keep squeezing us urban users while allowing exports of water thirsty crops like rice and cotton. The train to nowhere could have been a half dozen desal plants. I don't like the thought of toilet to tap, but recycling what we do use will have to become common all over the state.

There’s no reason we can’t use recycled water to irrigate crops. Well other than infrastructure

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Using our water to grow alfalfa for Saudi race horses seems smart.

The big farming co-ops are huge donors to Newsome and top Dem leaders in this state. You can bet they will keep squeezing us urban users while allowing exports of water thirsty crops like rice and cotton. The train to nowhere could have been a half dozen desal plants. I don't like the thought of toilet to tap, but recycling what we do use will have to become common all over the state.

The train money could have solved all CA's water problems.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There’s no reason we can’t use recycled water to irrigate crops. Well other than infrastructure

I think folks in So Cal will be drinking recycled water in the next 20 years.

 

[Mandelon]

Between Tijuana and Ensenada there is a valley where they grow a lot of wine grapes. The Valle de Guadalupe. I understand they have hired an Israeli company to filter the Tijuana sewage and use it for irrigating the valley.

Plan to use reclaimed Tijuana wastewater in Guadalupe Valley vineyards moves forward

A private company’s plan to take Tijuana wastewater, treat it to an advanced level, and pipe it to Baja California’s Guadalupe Valley aims at ending water shortages that confront the celebrated Mexican wine-growing region.

www.courant.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Between Tijuana and Ensenada there is a valley where they grow a lot of wine grapes. The Valle de Guadalupe. I understand they have hired an Israeli company to filter the Tijuana sewage and use it for irrigating the valley.

Plan to use reclaimed Tijuana wastewater in Guadalupe Valley vineyards moves forward

A private company’s plan to take Tijuana wastewater, treat it to an advanced level, and pipe it to Baja California’s Guadalupe Valley aims at ending water shortages that confront the celebrated Mexican wine-growing region.

www.courant.com

Great taste! Less filling!

That is the path of least resistance out of the water problems.

 

[500bbc]

The train money could have solved all CA's water problems.

The 150 BILLION and counting?

 

[500bbc]

Between Tijuana and Ensenada there is a valley where they grow a lot of wine grapes. The Valle de Guadalupe. I understand they have hired an Israeli company to filter the Tijuana sewage and use it for irrigating the valley.

Plan to use reclaimed Tijuana wastewater in Guadalupe Valley vineyards moves forward

A private company’s plan to take Tijuana wastewater, treat it to an advanced level, and pipe it to Baja California’s Guadalupe Valley aims at ending water shortages that confront the celebrated Mexican wine-growing region.

www.courant.com

Are they going to put warning labels on the products?

 

[TimeBandit]

Yeah the train to nowhere is over $100 billion dollars now.

let's not forget the population of California has doubled since 1980.

Did they double the amount of reservoirs?

And now the feds are spending $300 billion on college assholes that couldn't pay cash for basket weaving classes.

And my wife can't water her garden her only f****** hobby.

I need a drink.

 

[was thatguy]

What has state and federal government ever done to benefit CA tax payers?
Their agenda is not to “solve” anything.
It’s to create hardship for taxpayers.
They do not like the USA, and celebrate every step towards socialism. In NY today they stated outright it was a huge victory for socialism due to some AOC backed candidate win.
If you’re waiting for government solutions you’re in for a very long wait ending in a huge disappointment.

 

[was thatguy]

Are they going to put warning labels on the products?

In Mexico?
Ummm….yeah. Right.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What has state and federal government ever done to benefit CA tax payers?
Their agenda is not to “solve” anything.
It’s to create hardship for taxpayers.
They do not like the USA, and celebrate every step towards socialism. In NY today they stated outright it was a huge victory for socialism due to some AOC backed candidate win.
If you’re waiting for government solutions you’re in for a very long wait ending in a huge disappointment.

Next up, the Water Industrial Complex.

 

[Yldboyz]

Meanwhile were helping Mexico / Baja Ca. fix their sanitation plants so @Mandelon doesn't have to swim with the turds...

 

[Mandelon]

LOL, I think the south county beaches have been closed for months. All the fish have three eyes, and all you can catch close to shore are brown trouts.

 

[500bbc]

In Mexico?
Ummm….yeah. Right.

Vin De Caca

 

[pronstar]

Oh look, I just found 800,000 acre-feet of water for you

Californians lose 800,000 acre-feet of water to 305 minnows | Farm Progress

Californians lose 800,000 acre-feet of water to 305 minnows

www.farmprogress.com

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

Just another reason to leave California.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Next up, the Water Industrial Complex.

Control the water, control the food...and you control the masses.

 

[MK1MOD0]

Control the water, control the food...and you control the masses.

Yep. That’s right out of the communist play book.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yep. That’s right out of the communist play book.

Only to those that pay attention. My guess would be you're the type that takes notice of the broader picture

 

[JFMFG]

Excuse me for being a idiot but let’s say mead dries up here in the next 5. How long will it take for Mojave to go dry? Then havasu? Are we looking at 10-20 years of good boating max? Just asking so I know when to sell the magic and get in a big v bottom for the pacific to start boating to Catalina?

 

[floatn turd]

Maybe a stupid question.

If the Gubment starts regulating water from the big lakes on down through Bullhead / Havasu. Do you think recreational boating will take a dump and then the towns themselves down the road?
Property values & such.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Maybe a stupid question.

If the Gubment starts regulating water from the big lakes on down through Bullhead / Havasu. Do you thing recreational boating will take a dump and then the towns themselves, down the road?

Yes, and then the fuel "wasted" by us won't be needed, travel or boating. Stay home, go to work, rinse and repeat. Lives will be ruined for the good of the planet.

 

[Tom Slick]

When Lake Mead becomes a dead pool (means no more water passes through the Hoover dam) Mojave and Havasu will disappear into dry lake beds pretty quick. And just an FYI, this has nothing to do with a drought, watering golf courses or taking too long of a shower. This is being done on purpose. Do your research and ditch the liberal BS like what is in the article that started this thread.

 

[Skee]

Just remember the 1.6 BILLION GALLONS of water (and working approval for more) released from I believe Lake Mead to fill and keep filled this place they developed in the middle of nowhere called Lake Las Vegas (and it's not even in Vegas) for these rich folk that want "lake front property" in a man made lake in the middle of nowhere....

 

[77charger]

A good amount of people in ca don’t care for improving the infrastructure for water. They are the ones who claim to be for environment and want you to live like them. They also got a planned desalination plant in hb turned down.

They don’t want new dams built and want the rivers to run natural but after they’re day of protesting they go back home in the car to they’re nice home that’s using electric power thinking they did something good. These are the ones I’d rather see lose all water or lower first in the name of climate change.

 

[JENKS]

Yeah the train to nowhere is over $100 billion dollars now.

let's not forget the population of California has doubled since 1980.

Did they double the amount of reservoirs?

And now the feds are spending $300 billion on college assholes that couldn't pay cash for basket weaving classes.

And my wife can't water her garden her only f****** hobby.

I need a drink.

Don't drink water!!

 

[DUN]

Yes, and then the fuel "wasted" by us won't be needed, travel or boating. Stay home, go to work, rinse and repeat. Lives will be ruined for the good of the planet.

This is what I'm thinking. Hope we're wrong.

Having this convo while the vegetation off Rice rd is as green as ever..

 

[lbhsbz]

The train money could have solved all CA's water problems.

Maybe we can haul tanker cars full of water on the bullet train

 

[4czn10]

Yeah the train to nowhere is over $100 billion dollars now.

let's not forget the population of California has doubled since 1980.

Did they double the amount of reservoirs?

And now the feds are spending $300 billion on college assholes that couldn't pay cash for basket weaving classes.

And my wife can't water her garden her only f****** hobby.

I need a drink.

That $300 billion on our college "investment" is really going to be $600-$900 billion! FJB!!!

 

[Mandelon]

Maybe this is why Bill Gates and other billionaires are buying up farmland in other places. They know what is coming to the central valley of California.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When Lake Mead becomes a dead pool (means no more water passes through the Hoover dam) Mojave and Havasu will disappear into dry lake beds pretty quick. And just an FYI, this has nothing to do with a drought, watering golf courses or taking too long of a shower. This is being done on purpose. Do your research and ditch the liberal BS like what is in the article that started this thread.

That will never happen because as you said it is being done on purpose. Havasu can’t fluctuate much. If it did, it could not feed the aqueduct, and without the aqueduct LA has no water.

That is not gonna happen.

 

[JL95]

This gets me

California is stuck with a billion pounds of almonds (yes, that’s ‘billion’ with a ‘b’)

Nearly 7,600 farmers remain unpaid for the almonds they grew, reports the Los Angeles Times.

www.today.com

 

[Mandelon]

How Water Scarcity Threatens the Global Economy

The scarcity of fresh water is rapidly emerging as a global economic threat that could disrupt businesses, crimp profits, and jeopardize growth. How companies, regulators, and investors are starting to react.

www.barrons.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

That will never happen because as you said it is being done on purpose. Havasu can’t fluctuate much. If it did, it could not feed the aqueduct, and without the aqueduct LA has no water.

That is not gonna happen.

If it's being done on purpose, why would those in control just not "throttle" the flow? The general public is too stupid to understand, but pictures of the aqueduct dry would get their attention. Reality is just how things are perceived.

Maybe this is why Bill Gates and other billionaires are buying up farmland in other places. They know what is coming to the central valley of California.

Power and control. You know damn well he isn't doing it for the good of mankind.

 

[Hydroman55]

Like it or not planet earth has been been dynamic for 4.5 billon years including the weather and ultimately water long before fossil oil usage.
Many civilizations have collapsed for thousands of years due to changing weather patterns and it’s going to continue well after the human race is gone.
These useless politicians need to get off their ass build nuclear power plants and desalination plants and even that will only delay human survival.

My intention is not to be negative but to point out the hard truth and stopping fossil fuel consumption coupled with electric vehicles solves nothing.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If it's being done on purpose, why would those in control just not "throttle" the flow? The general public is too stupid to understand, but pictures of the aqueduct dry would get their attention. Reality is just how things are perceived.

Power and control. You know damn well he isn't doing it for the good of mankind.

There are a series of dams they use to throttle the flow and they are using a low Mead and Powell to get everyone’s attention.

The aqueduct running dry means faucets aren’t flowing in LA. That is not politically convenient for those in power. An issue like that also creates an environment that may run counter to their desired outcome and may actually solve the problem. This is a problem they don’t want solved. Just like immigration, climate change, drugs, homelessness, school funding, etc. They want to use fear to get more tax money out of the populace while enriching themselves and their connected friends.

 

[monkeyswrench]

There are a series of dams they use to throttle the flow and they are using a low Mead and Powell to get everyone’s attention.

The aqueduct running dry means faucets aren’t flowing in LA. That is not politically convenient for those in power. An issue like that also creates an environment that may run counter to their desired outcome and may actually solve the problem. This is a problem they don’t want solved. Just like immigration, drugs, homelessness, school funding, etc. They want to use fear to get more tax money out of the populace while enriching themselves and their connected friends.

I agree, the problem cannot be fixed if not real...but leading others to believe they can lines the pockets. I'm not saying shut down, just shut off occasionally. Enough to give the impression there is a bigger problem. New straws need to be sunk, environmental studies conducted, property purchased...
As Andy DuFresne said about the warden, a thousand ways to skim off the top.

The masses in South Central could care less about low water levels on TV. Those places are in another state. Shut off water at set times or days to "force rationing", well then, the hood will be paying attention. They'll go to the polls and vote for billions of other peoples' money to be used to "fix" the problem. Just like every other time, just a new hook.