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One thing we’ve fought for years is the extreme weather fluctuations of the high desert. 40- and 50-degree swings are not uncommon, year-round. Trying to grow anything in this environment, while entirely possible, is a challenge.

We started planning the high tunnel project several years ago. To have some control over the weather surrounding veggies means the ability to grow year-round, or damn close to it. This also means a break for Amy, since she spends late August through mid-October in a mad rush, canning, or freezing veggies for the winter. With extended growing seasons, we can keep eating fresh stuff and selling the surplus to our farm customers to stabilize our income a bit.

So, as usual, the research began, and what you see below is the result.

It’s a 30’x72’ Zimmermans high tunnel with 6’ roll down sides for cross ventilation. It is 16’ tall with low Perlin ceilings for tieing off plants for vertical growth. The entry doors are 10’x10’ for more ventilation as well.



Our next challenge is re-learning how to grow food in a more controlled environment. I’m looking forward to this adventure!

After several weeks of build time, it shows up by truck. Shipping weight was right at 7000lbs.
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We dropped it on the pad we built for the high tunnel a few years ago.
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We laid it all out and started building trusses.
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We used a hammer attachment on my buddies mini-x to pound poles into this pile of rocks we live on.
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As you can see, it wanted to fight us every step of the way. We resorted to schedule 80 oil pipe to drive on the big boulders. It was slow going but over time we got them all in the ground the required depth and reasonably straight. But man, did we ever ruin some pipe.

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Next up was setting the trusses.

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The weekend crew.
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Next up was framing up the sides for the roll up curtains then attaching more roof bracing.
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Flight crews out of Nellis AFB in Vegas do flyovers of our area on a regular basis. Amy does what she can keep morals high.
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Driving posts for the end walls.
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End walls and doors hung.
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Don't let the succession of pictures fool you. This project took forever. There was so much custom fit and fabrication, I am sparing you the tedious details. We vowed to get the plastic up and stretched in the final weekend. Unfortunately, it was record high temps that nearly killed us all. Doing the finish work inside, under the plastic was brutal. We finished Sunday and here it is Thursday, I'm still a little wounded.

Getting an early start.
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We didn't get a lot of pictures of the plastic going up since it required all of us to pull, stretch and attach it. It's a 6mil, heavy plastic with a 4 year warranty. Once attached to the framework it's pretty stout. We've already had a good monsoon storm this week and it didn't seem to phase it a bit.

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Sidewalls and curtains finished. The entire wall goes up and down with a wire pulley system, one hand crank for each side.
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The finished project, all buttoned up.
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I know, I know...... The weed guys are salivating over this one. I can't tell you how many times I get the question, "You growing the good stuff?". I'm still trying to learn how to grow a decent head of broccoli. Besides, the weed thing puts a target on you at several levels and our whole goal was simple living. I'll be sticking with veggies.
 

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Nearest fire department is about 40 miles away so the community takes fire prep pretty serious.

All land is cleared 50 to 80' from structures with multiple 1.5" fire hydrants around the property with hoses ready to go. 20,000 gallons of storage with the new ability to pump 18,000 in a 24 hour period between sun and generator covers our water needs. Our pasture irrigation is mobile and can be set up as a perimeter around the house in about 20 minutes and we've got enough pressure/volume to run 8 sprinklers at a time, each using 220gph. I could literally run the sprinklers wide open, non-stop for 22 hours.

Past all that, I'm up to date on my fire coverage insurance. Still, when Mother Nature sets her sights on you- she's pretty hard to beat.
wash11. I work for a fire sprinkler company and we demo or replace old 1 1/2" fire hoses. Some are in good shape. Just been in the fire hose racks for a few years. I can grab some and bring them to Havasu if that's something you can use on your property.
 

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Awesome project you guys have going @wash11

question about dry food storage.... living in an area where it gets pretty hot... what do you do for long term dry food storage? (canned foods, rice / beans etc) I have read that if these things are stored in temps over 80, it really shortens up the shelf life.
 

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Great read - thanks for sharing your amazing way of life. While it's not something we could ever do I'm living vicariously through you.

Keep us posted on your continued development and lives off the grid 👍
 

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One thing we’ve fought for years is the extreme weather fluctuations of the high desert. 40- and 50-degree swings are not uncommon, year-round. Trying to grow anything in this environment, while entirely possible, is a challenge.

We started planning the high tunnel project several years ago. To have some control over the weather surrounding veggies means the ability to grow year-round, or damn close to it. This also means a break for Amy, since she spends late August through mid-October in a mad rush, canning, or freezing veggies for the winter. With extended growing seasons, we can keep eating fresh stuff and selling the surplus to our farm customers to stabilize our income a bit.

So, as usual, the research began, and what you see below is the result.

It’s a 30’x72’ Zimmermans high tunnel with 6’ roll down sides for cross ventilation. It is 16’ tall with low Perlin ceilings for tieing off plants for vertical growth. The entry doors are 10’x10’ for more ventilation as well.



Our next challenge is re-learning how to grow food in a more controlled environment. I’m looking forward to this adventure!

After several weeks of build time, it shows up by truck. Shipping weight was right at 7000lbs.
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We dropped it on the pad we built for the high tunnel a few years ago.
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We laid it all out and started building trusses.
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We used a hammer attachment on my buddies mini-x to pound poles into this pile of rocks we live on.
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As you can see, it wanted to fight us every step of the way. We resorted to schedule 80 oil pipe to drive on the big boulders. It was slow going but over time we got them all in the ground the required depth and reasonably straight. But man, did we ever ruin some pipe.

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Next up was setting the trusses.

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The weekend crew.
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Next up was framing up the sides for the roll up curtains then attaching more roof bracing.
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Flight crews out of Nellis AFB in Vegas do flyovers of our area on a regular basis. Amy does what she can keep morals high.
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Driving posts for the end walls.
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End walls and doors hung.
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Don't let the succession of pictures fool you. This project took forever. There was so much custom fit and fabrication, I am sparing you the tedious details. We vowed to get the plastic up and stretched in the final weekend. Unfortunately, it was record high temps that nearly killed us all. Doing the finish work inside, under the plastic was brutal. We finished Sunday and here it is Thursday, I'm still a little wounded.

Getting an early start.
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We didn't get a lot of pictures of the plastic going up since it required all of us to pull, stretch and attach it. It's a 6mil, heavy plastic with a 4 year warranty. Once attached to the framework it's pretty stout. We've already had a good monsoon storm this week and it didn't seem to phase it a bit.

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Sidewalls and curtains finished. The entire wall goes up and down with a wire pulley system, one hand crank for each side.
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The finished project, all buttoned up.
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I know, I know...... The weed guys are salivating over this one. I can't tell you how many times I get the question, "You growing the good stuff?". I'm still trying to learn how to grow a decent head of broccoli. Besides, the weed thing puts a target on you at several levels and our whole goal was simple living. I'll be sticking with veggies.

Turned out great, but I’m in trouble. My gf is gonna see this and I bet it’s going to be on her list sooner than later.😃 Probably a lot sooner.
 

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I just binged read this entire thread. Outstanding work. Hats off to you and your wife. Simply amazing and a great read while I sit on the couch at The London Bridge Resort
 

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I just binged read this entire thread. Outstanding work. Hats off to you and your wife. Simply amazing and a great read while I sit on the couch at The London Bridge Resort
Me too... I'd never run into the "Joel & Amy Get Off The Grid Adventure thread" until today. I went back to his first posting and off and on spent the entire day reading all of it. My eyes can't focus worth a shit now but man oh man was that cool. Wish I lived in Havasu, I'd be eating their products for sure.
 

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Very cool , what wind speeds will that hold up to ?
 

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Awesome project you guys have going @wash11

question about dry food storage.... living in an area where it gets pretty hot... what do you do for long term dry food storage? (canned foods, rice / beans etc) I have read that if these things are stored in temps over 80, it really shortens up the shelf life.
We store that stuff under the house in food grade 5 gallon buckets. The temps stay pretty constant down there. One of the keys to keeping food on hand is to get a handle on what you actually use daily, buy that in bulk and take the time to rotate it out. Each year, we produce more food than the previous year which has helped with the storage issues. We are fortunate enough to have fresh food growing out just about year round. Now, with the high tunnel, we're taking that to the next level.
 

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So what’s it like living off-grid full time? What does the daily grind look like?

We’ve been at this so long, it all seems normal. The infrastructure was set up to be low maintenance, so it doesn’t take much time at all. The labor is centered around the farm business that allows us to stay here and provide a living for ourselves. Tracking water consumption and power production/usage takes less time than we imagined since we didn’t cut any corners during the design and build process. The roads are constructed with decent drainage and only require a tune-up once per year, some times less. It doesn’t take long to adjust to dirt road living, dirty vehicles, and having to schedule around Mother Natures tantrums. If you want to be here, it’s just part of it.

Was it worth it?

Absolutely. Financially, we are likely upside down a bit if we had to sell if you figure in all our labor. There’s a lot of upgrades that people can’t see or appreciate if they don’t try and produce food. But again, we didn’t build with the plans of selling. We did give up several years of decent income to pull this off as well, a trade-off we were willing to make.

How do you measure the value of security? The world got screwy in 2020, and we had zero issues circling the wagons. We had food, water, sanitation, safety, and very little need to interact with the outside world at all for months at a time and the ability to bring all the kids/grandkids home too. The funny thing is, our daily life didn’t change- we just had more people here. I’m not sure where else a guy like me could find that for any amount of money.

How do you put a value on health? I’m 47, Amy is 52, and we can both outwork most people half our age. We fall asleep fast, sleep through the night, and wake up feeling great. Neither one of us requires any medication, and our six-month check-ups always come back perfect, not at all like when we started. I was a 261 pound big doughy beer-drinking machine that required nine prescriptions to manage self-inflicted ailments. This adventure saved my life.

I’ve had to re-learn so much since this is two adventures in one, off-grid living and a new career in agriculture- it’s completely different than anything we’ve ever known. Projects and upgrades to infrastructure are planned out well in advance since weather dictates so much. Dealing with a much smaller income means a careful approach, patience, and still more planning. The magic number for us is one hour per day of working on “the plan.” Budgeting, goals, meal planning, animal and feed purchases, butcher dates, delivery dates, and a little bit of dreaming mixed in make up the first hour every day.

The next hour is “the walk.” We head up to the tanks first, gets the heart pumping. After checking for leaks and tank levels, we walk the rest of the roads. It’s a great way to start the day and also lay eyes on the guest RV’s and check refrigerators during the veggie season when we use them for extra storage, check and re-set mouse traps and find parts left from whatever Gus and Maggie killed the night before. Since we irrigate on timers at night, we wrap up with “checking the wet spot.” Trees, grasses, and gardens take a few minutes to make sure irrigation systems are working correctly.

Hour number three is feeding animals, moving meat birds to fresh grass, and making sure everything has clean water. Next up is harvesting vegetables from the garden along with the constant pruning to keep plants healthy and production where you want it. By now, it’s about 8 am, and we’re ready for breakfast.

Three, one-hour blocks, then we have the whole day ahead of us for projects, repairs, or chasing animals that learn how to open gates. Somedays, we grind it out through dinner time, and some days we put in a movie at noon, followed by a nap at 2 pm. We are getting closer and closer to having the enormous projects finished, which will no doubt give us more free time (or I’ll find more shit to stack on my plate because I’m not real smart).

Below are some random pictures from Spring/Summer of daily life.

Getting the garden ready for the season.
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A batch of meat birds for our customers.
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We move them onto grass as soon as they feather out enough to handle the temperature swings. Usually between 3 and 4 weeks old. We move them every morning to fresh grass, before the sun comes up when they are still half asleep.
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Setting up for butcher day.
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Sorting and loading for delivery day.
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New offering this year, 2lb Cornish Game Hens. They were crazy popular so we'll do these year round now.
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Garden matures and it's time to start canning/preserving for winter.
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Overcrowded carrots from Covid kids doing your planting. Love the effort though!
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More birds. We're getting close to producing chicken year round now.
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A freezer full of Cornish game hens shortly after butcher day, getting their deep freeze on.
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Staying cool is a real thing up here for about 6 to 8 weeks per year. Our stock tanks are the best investments ever. It’s like a big kiddie pool that lasts for decades. We have a bunch of friends that come up for the weekends and holidays regularly, and some of our best friends live just down the road. Working till noon or 1 pm, followed by cocktails in the stock tanks, is a regular summertime tradition.

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4Th of July get together with our usual group.
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More random pics later in the season.
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So what’s it like living off-grid full time? What does the daily grind look like?

We’ve been at this so long, it all seems normal. The infrastructure was set up to be low maintenance, so it doesn’t take much time at all. The labor is centered around the farm business that allows us to stay here and provide a living for ourselves. Tracking water consumption and power production/usage takes less time than we imagined since we didn’t cut any corners during the design and build process. The roads are constructed with decent drainage and only require a tune-up once per year, some times less. It doesn’t take long to adjust to dirt road living, dirty vehicles, and having to schedule around Mother Natures tantrums. If you want to be here, it’s just part of it.

Was it worth it?

Absolutely. Financially, we are likely upside down a bit if we had to sell if you figure in all our labor. There’s a lot of upgrades that people can’t see or appreciate if they don’t try and produce food. But again, we didn’t build with the plans of selling. We did give up several years of decent income to pull this off as well, a trade-off we were willing to make.

How do you measure the value of security? The world got screwy in 2020, and we had zero issues circling the wagons. We had food, water, sanitation, safety, and very little need to interact with the outside world at all for months at a time and the ability to bring all the kids/grandkids home too. The funny thing is, our daily life didn’t change- we just had more people here. I’m not sure where else a guy like me could find that for any amount of money.

How do you put a value on health? I’m 47, Amy is 52, and we can both outwork most people half our age. We fall asleep fast, sleep through the night, and wake up feeling great. Neither one of us requires any medication, and our six-month check-ups always come back perfect, not at all like when we started. I was a 261 pound big doughy beer-drinking machine that required nine prescriptions to manage self-inflicted ailments. This adventure saved my life.

I’ve had to re-learn so much since this is two adventures in one, off-grid living and a new career in agriculture- it’s completely different than anything we’ve ever known. Projects and upgrades to infrastructure are planned out well in advance since weather dictates so much. Dealing with a much smaller income means a careful approach, patience, and still more planning. The magic number for us is one hour per day of working on “the plan.” Budgeting, goals, meal planning, animal and feed purchases, butcher dates, delivery dates, and a little bit of dreaming mixed in make up the first hour every day.

The next hour is “the walk.” We head up to the tanks first, gets the heart pumping. After checking for leaks and tank levels, we walk the rest of the roads. It’s a great way to start the day and also lay eyes on the guest RV’s and check refrigerators during the veggie season when we use them for extra storage, check and re-set mouse traps and find parts left from whatever Gus and Maggie killed the night before. Since we irrigate on timers at night, we wrap up with “checking the wet spot.” Trees, grasses, and gardens take a few minutes to make sure irrigation systems are working correctly.

Hour number three is feeding animals, moving meat birds to fresh grass, and making sure everything has clean water. Next up is harvesting vegetables from the garden along with the constant pruning to keep plants healthy and production where you want it. By now, it’s about 8 am, and we’re ready for breakfast.

Three, one-hour blocks, then we have the whole day ahead of us for projects, repairs, or chasing animals that learn how to open gates. Somedays, we grind it out through dinner time, and some days we put in a movie at noon, followed by a nap at 2 pm. We are getting closer and closer to having the enormous projects finished, which will no doubt give us more free time (or I’ll find more shit to stack on my plate because I’m not real smart).

Below are some random pictures from Spring/Summer of daily life.

Getting the garden ready for the season.
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A batch of meat birds for our customers.
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We move them onto grass as soon as they feather out enough to handle the temperature swings. Usually between 3 and 4 weeks old. We move them every morning to fresh grass, before the sun comes up when they are still half asleep.
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Setting up for butcher day.
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Sorting and loading for delivery day.
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New offering this year, 2lb Cornish Game Hens. They were crazy popular so we'll do these year round now.
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Garden matures and it's time to start canning/preserving for winter.
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Overcrowded carrots from Covid kids doing your planting. Love the effort though!
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More birds. We're getting close to producing chicken year round now.
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A freezer full of Cornish game hens shortly after butcher day, getting their deep freeze on.
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Joel..... curious if your exterior/ perimeter fencing has been to your satisfaction regarding keeping any unwanted guest from digging under and gaining access to the gardens or livestock? I appreciated the 8' height. Impressive.
 

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Happy for you Joel. Living the dream.

Every time I head to Colorado I pass your exit and think about your place.
 

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Before I knew this thread, I used to look at those hills on my river runs. I'd think to myself, "It would be really nice to have a spread out there"...turns out, yes, at least it seems to be going well for @wash11 !

I'm 43, been in a more rural/outskirts of suburbia life for 7 or 8 years now. I understand the concept of giving up the higher income, but I also understand the concepts of increased health. You can still work really hard, and be tired, but the stress doesn't keep you awake. Knowing you have food, and a home with some space, makes a big difference.

I hope your grandbaby is doing well, as well as the rest of your clan :cool:
 

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Have you guys ever thought of getting into harvesting rabbits ? Great meat and fast = good eating , as kids we ate more rabbit than chicken and looks like you have grass send rabbits in then chickens . Great thread.
 

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Joel..... curious if your exterior/ perimeter fencing has been to your satisfaction regarding keeping any unwanted guest from digging under and gaining access to the gardens or livestock? I appreciated the 8' height. Impressive.
Ground squirrels, rabbits and skunks still make their way in but are manageable. Deer, elk, and javalina have been deterred indefinitely between the fence and the dogs- those critters can do some quick damage.
Yes, we are very happy with our 8' fence!
 

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Have you guys ever thought of getting into harvesting rabbits ? Great meat and fast = good eating , as kids we ate more rabbit than chicken and looks like you have grass send rabbits in then chickens . Great thread.
We have a neighbor that does rabbits. We process her chickens at the end of one of our own butcher days in exchange for rabbit meat. Having a poultry process center is a neat pet to have with regards to bartering.
If the kids were at home still, we'd have them doing rabbits again. Our youngest daughter enjoyed it years ago. Our plates are full enough as it is right now but it's not off the list for the future!
 

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Before I knew this thread, I used to look at those hills on my river runs. I'd think to myself, "It would be really nice to have a spread out there"...turns out, yes, at least it seems to be going well for @wash11 !

I'm 43, been in a more rural/outskirts of suburbia life for 7 or 8 years now. I understand the concept of giving up the higher income, but I also understand the concepts of increased health. You can still work really hard, and be tired, but the stress doesn't keep you awake. Knowing you have food, and a home with some space, makes a big difference.

I hope your grandbaby is doing well, as well as the rest of your clan :cool:
You oughta stop by some time!
 

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You guys have done such an awesome job. Your property looks amazing.

PM me some details on possibly renting RV space during the year if you do that Joel. No need for power with my rig but a dump and water fill would help.

thanks

tom
 

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It's been a while since I've caught up on this thread. This is an incredible story created by some obviously incredible people! The amount of effort and incredible outcome is over the top in my opinion.
We hope to do something very similar as soon as we can find our spot, albeit on a much smaller scale.
Thank you both for the incredible inspiration!
 

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Every time I read this thread a little voice in my head keeps nudging me to the edge.... one of these days I'm gunna jump!

Nice work wash, ask chicken if he remembers Ron and Trish
 

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The longest most enjoyable thread I have read. Most beyond 2 pages I quit. You all look so happy. Great job.


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Wash11 goes into hibernation in winters I think.... he's in elevation if I recall correctly. Lets see if we get an update soon..... best thread ever
 

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It's been 1.5 years since we finished the house and its solar system. At the time we were out of money and energy so we pre-wired for a backup generator and dropped the 500 gallon propane tank right behind the house. There has been a handful of times that a 240 5500watt Honda has come in handy during extended dark days with lots of snow on the panels or running the AC till close to midnight on a couple of hot and muggy weekends that had us partying with friends till late. For the most part, we can live without a backup genie, it's just a convenience thing.
As the farm business grows, this might not be the case. 24/7 heat lamps to brood chicks, large fans in the high tunnel and more freezers will take us past our comfortable limit so we planned ahead.
Generac makes an off-grid specific 15k stand alone that talks nicely with our system and will auto start at preset battery storage levels (not voltage levels). It took a bit to save up but we finally made the purchase then made the master plan of spending a bunch more money to locate this thing far enough from the house to not have noise be an issue. Since we had to run propane lines anyway, it is a good time to re-locate the ugly propane tank too.
Propane and power in the same ditch is ok in our county as long as they are a certain distance apart so I used a 24" bucket for the dig (which is a bitch in this rock). We also screened about 12 yards of river sand to bed the trench and backfill. All together the trench is about 200'.
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We had Ricky Hobday from A&B Propane in Havasu pre-make 1" poly line with the risers welded in so we could work on the trench when we had time. He also had a nice used 320 gallon tank that we'll install once this rental tank is empty. That will be full of propane just off site. The 320 is large enough for real capacity but still small enough for me to strap to the trailer and take to town to fill, saving an average $280 with each fill up.
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Trench inspectors.
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Hauled in some good fill to build the pad.
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This is the beginning of an access road to service genie and use the backhoe to lift the propane tank for trips to town as needed.
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This gives a better idea of how far away we installed the genie, the tank will be to the left of it 15'. Looking forward to finally landscaping and getting some shade trees in the backyard since it faces South.
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Here's some indoor shots of the conduit runs and pre-wired lightening arrestors.
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Lightening arrestors. There's another one up at the panels. Past this, our insurance through Farm Bureau is up to snuff.
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In case there is a problem with the invertor or batteries, it's wired in a way that we can bypass the whole system and run the entire house (every circuit) on the generator alone.

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The system runs on its' own but I have an app on my phone that tells me anything I need to know. Performance history, battery levels etc. This readout is with the 5500 Honda running. The 15k can charge over 100amps and is totally customizable. The lithium batteries can take a very fast charge and can go from 10% to 100% in 55 minutes.
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It's worth mentioning that my buddy Chicken Dan is a huge part of this project. Actually anything electric around here. He had a successful electrical contracting business in Havasu for years but was also well known for his fab skills. Somehow, he and his wife were dumb enough to follow Amy and I up here about 6 years ago. He has since re-tooled so to speak, to these off grid solar installs and is a contracted installer for Northern Arizona Wind and Sun which is a pretty big deal in the solar world. One of these days I'm going to get him posting some of his projects on RDP.

Here's a couple videos the company did about our owner/builder install. Some good video footage of the property too.

Off-Grid Farm in Northern Arizona Utilizes Solar Power - YouTube
Solar Powered Water Pumping at Fort Rock Farms - YouTube
 

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Great job, better than most of my competitors would have done, seriously you obviously take the time to do it right and safe.

just noticed your kudos to Chicken Dan, tip of the cap to him as well.
 

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Great job, better than most of my competitors would have done, seriously you obviously take the time to do it right and safe.

just noticed your kudos to Chicken Dan, tip of the cap to him as well.
Thank you, means a lot coming from an outfit like yours.
 

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I love seeing your updates and off grid lifestyle. I dream of this my old lady does not!
 

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I tried to search and follow where you ended up with your solar system? Can you throw out the basics? I see 2 - 48v 129 amp lithium batteries for about 12000 watt hours of storage. I see 2 inverters but can't tell what they are? I assume a parallel set for split phase 240?.... and how big in watts is your solar array?

I am doing my first off grid solar to run my RV in Southern Utah and I am starting with 3-48V 124 ah batteries. 6000 split phase inverter and 4000watts of PV. I hope I am close, but its able to scale up on all 3 components....
 

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I tried to search and follow where you ended up with your solar system? Can you throw out the basics? I see 2 - 48v 129 amp lithium batteries for about 12000 watt hours of storage. I see 2 inverters but can't tell what they are? I assume a parallel set for split phase 240?.... and how big in watts is your solar array?

I am doing my first off grid solar to run my RV in Southern Utah and I am starting with 3-48V 124 ah batteries. 6000 split phase inverter and 4000watts of PV. I hope I am close, but its able to scale up on all 3 components....

Single 7000 watt inverter, 13300 watt hour storage and solar array is just under 4000 watts. The lithium batteries charge fast so size your array with that in mind. Here’s a pic of production today from 62% to 100% in 1.5 hours.
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I am ignorant of what that dashboard is telling me? If you have 13300 storage, did you put 38% or 5054 watts back into it in 1.5 hours? Any idea what your daily use is in watts that your system is serving?
 

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I work at a large data center, we have quite a large UPS system using numerous banks of batteries for back up power until if needed we
switch to gens........ nobody has a data center big enough to run on batteries only..... anyway, I always think of the possibilities of
keeping some of the batteries that are switched out after just 3 years......... gotta have peak reliability...

I'm talking about every 2 months we've got teams replacing up to 240 batteries per line up....... I wish!!
 

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I am ignorant of what that dashboard is telling me? If you have 13300 storage, did you put 38% or 5054 watts back into it in 1.5 hours? Any idea what your daily use is in watts that your system is serving?

I agonized over the numbers during the design process, much like you are now. Don't.
The outline of your system is pretty legit with the ability to expand. That's enough.
Truth is, you have no way of knowing what your usage will be from day to day. And, you have no idea what the weather will do either.

Amy does meal planning for the week on Sundays, based on the weather forecast. Rainy, cloudy, overcast, snowy weather= meals cooked in the propane oven or a stew in the dutch oven on top of the woodstove all day or something on the grill. Typical sunny Arizona weather= crock pot, insta-pot or air fryer. Can we change that up if needed? Yes, there's enough battery storage to not worry but you just get in Mother Natures groove after awhile.
Our 10 day forecast is rain and snow everyday. I'll clear panels as needed but life will go on as normal. The change is in the prep. Amy wrapped up laundry this past week and we cleaned the house (lots of vacuuming) during sunny days.

An engineer at Arizona Wind and Sun designed our system with our input and he nailed it. "My" design was about $9000 more than his on paper which was a pretty good reason to put my faith in him (knowing I could add on later if needed). 800-383-0195, ask for James and have him review your plan. Or better yet, tell him what your goals are and have him design a system then compare it with yours then go from there.
 

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I recall you got some unexpected family members staying with you a while back.... whats the head count these days?
 

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I recall you got some unexpected family members staying with you a while back.... whats the head count these days?
It's back to just us two. Weekends typically have friends for a stay and the kids have been in and out for weeks at a time too. Our power usage varies so much. Thankfully, we built a system that's pretty dummy proof. Once the new genie is online and programmed I'll likely stop thinking about it all together.
 

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Now that the majority of large projects are done we were able to devote some time to the pond again. If you remember back, the pond was designed to catch zero run-off rainwater and be filled by the well only. This would require major surgery to an existing water system that has served us really well. Part of the reason for the tank upgrade to 20000 gallons was anticipation of this new design. We would find a way to split the system in two with the tanks feeding house, gardens, high tunnel and all the animals so there's no interruption when filling the pond. Once full, we can keep an eye on evaporation rates and adjust how much water trickles in to maintain the desired levels. We also needed to tap in to run irrigation to the new high tunnel while we were at it.
The design looks something like this. Red is the lines that are constantly charged by the tanks.
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We smoked out the majority of this project in 4 days once we started. We're getting pretty good at sketching ideas on paper and making a parts list so everything is ready once we are. Covid pricing had already started sliding up at this point. In the two months from design to gathering parts, the original estimate had jumped $900. Double that if I had to do it now. I started digging a giant hole that would allow us to comfortably work, while my buddies started building manifold assemblies.
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Speaking of plumbing manifolds...... We build everything from galvanized pipe these days- way less fragile if you have to tap in later. Having the ability to cut and thread our own pipe speeds things up considerably and allows us to make adjustments to designs that look good on paper but cause problems in reality.
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Before we get too carried away, we need lots of screened sand from one of several dry creek beds close to us to shade in trenches and backfill all this new and very expensive plumbing.
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Locating and tapping in to a water line that's been in the ground almost 7 years, 3' deep can stress a guy out. Luckily, we pulled it off without destroying it. Top red circle shows the original pipe after we cut and tapped into it for our new manifold. Bottom circle shows the 2" Jandy valve that allows us to split the system in two.
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Set-up backhoe to trench up to the high tunnel.
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View from the other direction. You can see that I've already done the trench for the two inch fill line to the pond.
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All the plumbing done and leak tested. Conduit was extended from original stub up over to the high tunnel. We'll eventually do lighting and fans in there, both will be run by the house solar system.
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Trenching to the tunnel was done with the backhoe but the delicate work of tunneling under the frame was left to my buddies skid steer with a trenching attachment.
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Back to building more plumbing on stands. This is one drop in assembly that has a 1.5" hydrant set-up for using a fire hose to wet compost piles in front of the high tunnel as we cook them down. There also a single PEX line to feed a three compartment sink inside for washing veggies. All irrigation is either overhead or lays on the ground for easy movement during different seasons so attaching to a single frost free valve was the best way to keep from freezing when not in use. You'll see a bunch of 6" PVC uprights in these photos. It's how we bury the valves yet keep them accessible. Notch the bottom of the pipe, wrap in landscape cloth so no dirt or gravel gets in and use long valve tools to operate.

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Nothing too glamorous, just a bunch of work and even more money.
 

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Now that the majority of large projects are done we were able to devote some time to the pond again. If you remember back, the pond was designed to catch zero run-off rainwater and be filled by the well only. This would require major surgery to an existing water system that has served us really well. Part of the reason for the tank upgrade to 20000 gallons was anticipation of this new design. We would find a way to split the system in two with the tanks feeding house, gardens, high tunnel and all the animals so there's no interruption when filling the pond. Once full, we can keep an eye on evaporation rates and adjust how much water trickles in to maintain the desired levels. We also needed to tap in to run irrigation to the new high tunnel while we were at it.
The design looks something like this. Red is the lines that are constantly charged by the tanks.
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We smoked out the majority of this project in 4 days once we started. We're getting pretty good at sketching ideas on paper and making a parts list so everything is ready once we are. Covid pricing had already started sliding up at this point. In the two months from design to gathering parts, the original estimate had jumped $900. Double that if I had to do it now. I started digging a giant hole that would allow us to comfortably work, while my buddies started building manifold assemblies.
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Speaking of plumbing manifolds...... We build everything from galvanized pipe these days- way less fragile if you have to tap in later. Having the ability to cut and thread our own pipe speeds things up considerably and allows us to make adjustments to designs that look good on paper but cause problems in reality.
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Before we get too carried away, we need lots of screened sand from one of several dry creek beds close to us to shade in trenches and backfill all this new and very expensive plumbing.
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Locating and tapping in to a water line that's been in the ground almost 7 years, 3' deep can stress a guy out. Luckily, we pulled it off without destroying it. Top red circle shows the original pipe after we cut and tapped into it for our new manifold. Bottom circle shows the 2" Jandy valve that allows us to split the system in two.
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Set-up backhoe to trench up to the high tunnel.
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View from the other direction. You can see that I've already done the trench for the two inch fill line to the pond.
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All the plumbing done and leak tested. Conduit was extended from original stub up over to the high tunnel. We'll eventually do lighting and fans in there, both will be run by the house solar system.
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Trenching to the tunnel was done with the backhoe but the delicate work of tunneling under the frame was left to my buddies skid steer with a trenching attachment.
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Back to building more plumbing on stands. This is one drop in assembly that has a 1.5" hydrant set-up for using a fire hose to wet compost piles in front of the high tunnel as we cook them down. There also a single PEX line to feed a three compartment sink inside for washing veggies. All irrigation is either overhead or lays on the ground for easy movement during different seasons so attaching to a single frost free valve was the best way to keep from freezing when not in use. You'll see a bunch of 6" PVC uprights in these photos. It's how we bury the valves yet keep them accessible. Notch the bottom of the pipe, wrap in landscape cloth so no dirt or gravel gets in and use long valve tools to operate.

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Nothing too glamorous, just a bunch of work and even more money.
Oh yeah.... I for one had not forgotten the pond! Lets go
 

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You use some sort of a key tool to turn the valves? Or do you have crazy long arms? LOL
 
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