GM'S latest quality escape?

[OLDRAAT]

What a cluster %$#% this will be..... The proposed repair looks sketchy at best.

GM Issues Stop-Sale on Some Silverado and Sierra Trucks Over Splitting Roofs

Some affected trucks are already in owners' hands and will be fixed under warranty.

www.thedrive.com

 

[28skater]

Damn, I just bought a 2024 Ultimate Denali 3500.

 

[LazyLavey]

It'll rear its ugly head in a few years... like the pealing paint from the 80's

 

[rivermobster]

Friends don't let friends by GM products!

The comments are fucking Awesome...

 

[Backlash]

I'd say it's a minor issue but not entirely cool considering the chunk of change needed to purchase a new truck. It's not like there aren't other welded parts on these trucks.

 

[rivermobster]

I'd say it's a minor issue but not entirely cool considering the chunk of change needed to purchase a new truck. It's not like there aren't other welded parts on these trucks.

Yes and no...

Yeah it's a minor thing, but in this day and age, how did that possibly happen??

And we all know, anytime you modify the factory paint, it's Never gonna be the same.

Minor issue, but a Huge fuck up.

Someone was trying way too hard to save a few bucks.

 

[BabyRay]

I recently bought a GMC Canyon. Fortunately, it has a sunroof, because those without one are experiencing caved-in roofs from the pressure of the blowers in touchless car washes.

 

[lbhsbz]

I'd say it's a minor issue but not entirely cool considering the chunk of change needed to purchase a new truck. It's not like there aren't other welded parts on these trucks.

I'd say it's more than a minor issue. If these cracks are occuring in trucks that haven't seen any use, it's not a fatigue crack, it's due to something else. Either the stamp die was designed wrong and overstressed/thinned an area of the sheet metal during forming, or there are stresses on the part that weren't considered in the design.

The "fix" is typical of GM...not impressive.

I was a dealer tech for GM back in 2002/2003 and some of the TSB "fixes" were hack grade at best.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I'd say it's more than a minor issue. If these cracks are occuring in trucks that haven't seen any use, it's not a fatigue crack, it's due to something else. Either the stamp die was designed wrong and overstressed/thinned an area of the sheet metal during forming, or there are stresses on the part that weren't considered in the design.

The "fix" is typical of GM...not impressive.

I was a dealer tech for GM back in 2002/2003 and some of the TSB "fixes" were hack grade at best.

This is whatI was thinking. Is the crack forming at a bend, caused from too tight of tolerance during a forming process, or is it more simple? Is the crack forming in an area where multiple panels are pinch welded, and there was a failure in the process or the number of welds?

 

[mjc]

This is whatI was thinking. Is the crack forming at a bend, caused from too tight of tolerance during a forming process, or is it more simple? Is the crack forming in an area where multiple panels are pinch welded, and there was a failure in the process or the number of welds?

or did they use that body glue and it didn't bond correctly?

 

[TimeBandit]

A friend has a Silverado but 2020/2021 model I think, he has a thonking or oil canning noise when he goes thru the car wash blower.

His roof is easy to press down above the driver/passenger area, there are NO support bows to support the sheet metal.

No sunroof truck, crew cab and GM says there is no fix.

 

[Chili Palmer]

What has happened at GM? The build quality is getting to actually be worse than the crap they pushed out in the 70’s. At the current prices these trucks should be built like a tank. We had an 11 BMW 550 and a 15 BMW 650 GC - those things were built like vaults - they were solid and ran like a well oiled machine until a sensor or 2 went out, then it basically shut down and needed to be towed in. At 103k miles the 11 blew a head gasket and the repair was more than the car was worth. Hot V design turbo engines are awesome until you need to get the heads off. Those cars would be excellent candidates for an LS swap.

 

[Gramps]

It'll rear its ugly head in a few years... like the pealing paint from the 80's

the peeling paint is still a problem that GM is doing nothing about

 

[OLDRAAT]

A friend has a Silverado but 2020/2021 model I think, he has a thonking or oil canning noise when he goes thru the car wash blower.

His roof is easy to press down above the driver/passenger area, there are NO support bows to support the sheet metal.

No sunroof truck, crew cab and GM says there is no fix.

Same thing with GMC/Chevy Yukons/Suburbans five or so years back. The long roofs fluttered at highway speeds.
My office manager had one, but forgot to ask her before I retired what was the repair if any

 

[4Waters]

I recently bought a GMC Canyon. Fortunately, it has a sunroof, because those without one are experiencing caved-in roofs from the pressure of the blowers in touchless car washes.

Good thing GM products are slow

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/11/gm-working-on-fix-for-chevy-colorado-gmc-canyon-roof-dent-issue/

 

[boatpi]

I’ve owned so many brands of vehicles I couldn’t even count, but one thing I know I’m pretty much done with owning any GM vehicle again. Usually run pretty well but the build quality and the lifespan of the components is an absolute joke.

 

[Backlash]

I'd say it's a combination of things.

Cutting costs being the primary reason for shortcuts in the manufacturing processes. It's all about saving money anywhere and everywhere to maximize profits. I also think the massive push to increase MPG has lead to trimming the fat as much as possible. That may play into this issue as well.

Cheap initial materials, lackluster manufacturing processes and the pressure to minimize overall weights to increase MPG's.....that's my assumption.

 

[EmpirE231]

some flex seal will fix that right up!

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

I'd say it's a combination of things.

Cutting costs being the primary reason for shortcuts in the manufacturing processes. It's all about saving money anywhere and everywhere to maximize profits. I also think the massive push to increase MPG has lead to trimming the fat as much as possible. That may play into this issue as well.

Cheap initial materials, lackluster manufacturing processes and the pressure to minimize overall weights to increase MPG's.....that's my assumption.

Yeah but if they really want to build a good product they could still lighten up materials however they want (such as aluminum roof for example) but what would set them apart (assuming they could engineer every part corectly) would be to ditch their biggest liability when it comes to quality assembly. Remove the goddam people and replace them with robots/automation. You get guaranteed quality welds and fit and finish ever single time. No hangovers, no grumpy pissed off employees, no half-assing on Mondays and Fridays etc.

Problem is the Union would never allow it because they want the lifetime ability to fuck over the American public by piss poor work. I don’t know why when the Union walks out to strike that GM and others don’t just convert then and there. Now that would be negotiating power for GM. Get your ass back in here or we convert to robots.

I don’t like unions but it’s from experience. The one I have at my work sucks ass and I bailed on having anything to do with them. They couldn’t negotiate their way out of a paper bag.

 

[lbhsbz]

I'd say it's a combination of things.

Cutting costs being the primary reason for shortcuts in the manufacturing processes. It's all about saving money anywhere and everywhere to maximize profits. I also think the massive push to increase MPG has lead to trimming the fat as much as possible. That may play into this issue as well.

Cheap initial materials, lackluster manufacturing processes and the pressure to minimize overall weights to increase MPG's.....that's my assumption.

Well, if you consider the added weight of all the mandatory safety shit (front air bags, seat side air bags, side curtain air bags, all the shit to run 'em), all the extra modules and sensors and equipment so it can drive itself, and all the "features" that nobody needs, they need to trim weight somewhere...sheet metal is an easy place to do it. All the new cars are like that. My 2016 tacoma even is a potato chip. I can watch the hood change shape with a good sidewind on the freeway. There's also a few mystery dents in the roof that make no sense. I tried to lean on the roof once to reach farther while washing it and learned not to do that real fast.

 

[callbob]

It’s not just GM. Just had to take my 2022 Jeep Gladiator to dealer for front end shimmy or death wobble as it’s called. 14k miles all stock, no lift oem tires. Diagnosed as steering stabilizer gone bad which according to the service writer happens every 12 to 15k miles. Been going on for years not just Gladiators I guess. Replaced under warranty and will be every time it goes out. Obviously they know about it so why haven’t they fixed the issue?

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

It's flat out scary how thin these cars are stamped now, on my wife's 2022 lexus F sport the doors oil can everytime they are shut. Drives me nuts but there isn't a new vehicle made anymore with decent tinwork

 

[LazyLavey]

All the same