Gas or Diesel 3/4 or 1 ton ??

[fishing fool]

Thinking about getting a new/used truck. I love my diesel but not too sure I need another diesel. Only pulling a enclosed trailer, boat maybe a smaller 5th wheel..


NO I do not want a F-150 or a "fucking ford ranger"

 

[ChrisV]

What's wrong with the current diesel?

 

[fishing fool]

Thinking about it... 05 F-350 with 296,000 miles. I am starting to put money into it... I love the truck and don't really want to spend $$$$$$ for a new one.

What's wrong with the current diesel?

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Thinking about getting a new/used truck. I love my diesel but not too sure I need another diesel. Only pulling a enclosed trailer, boat maybe a smaller 5th wheel..


NO I do not want a F-150 or a "fucking ford ranger"

I have a 2020 1 ton diesel mega cab, My FIL has the 2021 f250 with the 7.3L. Hands down my next truck will be the 7.3L gas. While I love my diesel, I don't love the increased fuel costs, maintenance etc. The 10 speed behind the new ford is something else... In slick weather (driving over a snowy pass etc), I'd take that trans over my truck every day of the week.

 

[ChrisV]

Thinking about it... 05 F-350 with 296,000 miles. I am starting to put money into it... I love the truck and don't really want to spend $$$$$$ for a new one.

I'm in same situation with my 05 2500. 349k

 

[monkeyswrench]

I'd say a whole lot depends on the truck's use, and location. The newer gassers are pretty damn impressive. People don't talk much about the 7.3 gas, and even rarer spoken of is the Chevy 6.6 gas. If it were a Cali based truck, the added cost for fuel needs to be balanced with how heavy, and how often you tow. Both the 7.3 and the 6.6 are a world different than the 8.1 and any triton. The diesel maintenance costs, along with DEF if needed, plays into the overall costs. I've driven a customer's 6.6 with a skidsteer on a gooseneck dump trailer. It felt very comparable to some of the stock diesels...the problem out here, very few diesels are left stock. No trailer, the same truck was damn "peppy"...and it's a crew cab utility bed. Mileage though, I have no clue about on the gassers.

 

[NicPaus]

I went with a 6.6 gasser in my newest 2500. I have a 6.0 gasser in a 2500 and a Duramax in a 3500.

The 6.6 so far has been great truck. It is mainly used for the river and vacations. Unloaded it gets almost 3 more mpg than the 6.0 gas to the river and back. Around town same mpg 10. Tows better. It was 15k less than diesel for same exact options as I would of had to order the diesel.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Gas unless you are towing heavy weekly.

The extra money for the diesel you will never get a return on.

 

[outboard_256]

If you plan on keeping the truck for a while I would go diesel. Less worry when you get high milage and resale value is a huge difference the older you go. Just my opinion.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I don't have any diesels in my fleet save for the class 6/7 chassis. Modern diesels suck if they aren't being worked hard most of the time. We pay a little more in fuel but it is made up for in lower shop bills. And this is with mostly V-10's. I've been waiting to get out first 7.3L for a couple of years now.

A modern gas engine should go a long time, especially if most of the time it is just running around town unloaded.

 

[CLdrinker]

7.3 Gas for me. But I drive very little so the poor fuel mileage isn’t as big of a deal.
The more you drive the more the diesel makes sense.
If you need to go 70mph up hill towing. Then diesel it is.
Personally I like gas as there is much less to go wrong.
7.3 with 4:30’s is a beast. Get the long bed for 48gallons tank.

 

[CLdrinker]

If you plan on keeping the truck for a while I would go diesel. Less worry when you get high milage and resale value is a huge difference the older you go. Just my opinion.

Curious how high mileage benefits the diesel?

Def system longevity
EGR
Clogged intakes
Clogged intercoolers
Fuel systems

Remember diesels if today are not the diesels of the early 2000’s

Gas engines easily go 200-300k miles. With fewer parts to go wrong.

I don’t see how the high mileage argument holds up anymore. Think about it 1 cp4 pump replacement costs more than a new long block for the gasser.

Look this thing comes ready to drop in.
Think how easy it is to run up a couple thousand dollar repair on a diesel.


Diesel clearly has mpg advantage and power advantage.
But that’s it.
8-10k less buy in for the gas buys allot of fuel.

 

[77charger]

If you plan on keeping the truck for a while I would go diesel. Less worry when you get high milage and resale value is a huge difference the older you go. Just my opinion.

Gassers can run along time. Personally I’d be more scared of a high milage diesel due to emissions equipment failures or other repairs as they ain’t cheap.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Curious how high mileage benefits the diesel?

Def system longevity
EGR
Clogged intakes
Clogged intercoolers
Fuel systems

Remember diesels if today are not the diesels of the early 2000’s

Gas engines easily go 200-300k miles. With fewer parts to go wrong.

I don’t see how the high mileage argument holds up anymore. Think about it 1 cp4 pump replacement costs more than a new long block for the gasser.

That seems to be the biggest variable, owner's lifespan of the truck. Even with the Cummins engines, I work on more late models than I do 24v 5.9's...My theory is the DEF systems have actually hurt longevity on them. Whereas the gas motors were stangled with emissions in the 70's, the diesels weren't until post 2000. The gas world has been working out those demons and tuning things for 3 decades previous.

Government standards have been placed on diesels that may help air quality, but hurt mileage a tad...if one were to possibly remove just the after treatment equipment, and not touch the original fuel or timing parameters, they may see that becomes quite apparent

 

[NicPaus]

Friend just called me. Looking at used diesels. Trying to convince him to wait a few months and buy new. The newer diesels out of warranty are a crap shoot. Our other friend is currently trying to lemon law his 2018 f350 good thing it's under warranty. Told him buy new with the best warranty available. His local dealer in Upland has 20k mark up on every diesel in stock currently.

My 2015 Duramax only has 20k miles but that fuel pump is a big concern.

 

[OCMerrill]

Diesels are just a flat "Pain In The Ass" and I have owned at least a dozen in my lifetime so far.

Choices are down to one 1/2 ton diesel with any commitment into the future and thats GM. Ram is dropping the Eco Diesel after this year and frankly I would not bother with it at this point anyway. At 150k you have to pull the trans on the GM 1/2'r to change the timing belt. I understand that the trucks are extreamly fuel efficient but will have 1/2 ton tow ratings which are Dually tow ratings of yester-year.

The future of Diesels is Hydrogen and while they are getting close I am not very settled on that hassle in the future.

The current target for deletion is Natural Gas.

 

[rivermobster]

Thinking about getting a new/used truck. I love my diesel but not too sure I need another diesel. Only pulling a enclosed trailer, boat maybe a smaller 5th wheel..


NO I do not want a F-150 or a "fucking ford ranger"

Towing a 5th? Diesel.

Ask me how I know.

 

[CLdrinker]

Towing a 5th? Diesel.

Ask me how I know.

Because everyone thinks they need to tow 85mph up hill and get 30mpg and it’s not broken in until 500k miles?

 

[Bobby_329]

The diesel is more expensive up front and more expensive to maintain but the resale value of a 10 yr old diesel vs a 10 yr old gas truck makes the diesel still worth it IMO.

 

[hallett21]

If you drive under 10k miles a year I’d go with tall gears and a gas motor. Diesels need to be driven and worked daily imo.

 

[Your ad here]

Go drive whatever vehicle you're considering and compare. While my 7.3 diesel is considered a slow turd I've driven gas vehicles that were 10+ years newer and some are gutless turds compared to my 7.3 and I'm just talking daily driving, no towing.

 

[rivermobster]

Because everyone thinks they need to tow 85mph up hill and get 30mpg and it’s not broken in until 500k miles?

Couldn't tell you what everyone else thinks. Sorry.

 

[BingerFang]

Because everyone thinks they need to tow 85mph up hill and get 30mpg and it’s not broken in until 500k miles?

Once you tow 85mph uphill once, you never wanna go back. Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because everyone thinks they need to tow 85mph up hill and get 30mpg and it’s not broken in until 500k miles?

And it needs to idle up the grade.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Once you tow 85mph uphill once, you never wanna go back. Lol

There is a skinny pedal on the right. Push it down further

 

[ka0tyk]

you can buy a LOT of gas for what it costs to fix a diesel def/fuel/engine/turbo issue. and sure you can have a warranty but what are you going to do when its at the dealer for a month every 6 months? I dont know a single person with a diesel that hasnt had it at the dealer.

not to mention diesel is more expensive right now in comparison to just 87.

 

[CLdrinker]

The diesel is more expensive up front and more expensive to maintain but the resale value of a 10 yr old diesel vs a 10 yr old gas truck makes the diesel still worth it IMO.

That is something to consider for sure.

 

[hallett21]

you can buy a LOT of gas for what it costs to fix a diesel def/fuel/engine/turbo issue. and sure you can have a warranty but what are you going to do when its at the dealer for a month every 6 months? I dont know a single person with a diesel that hasnt had it at the dealer.

not to mention diesel is more expensive right now in comparison to just 87.

I must have a unicorn. Never been to the dealer/mechanic for drivetrain issues. I did have an AC blower motor go out. 2016 Cummins.

 

[530RL]

I have a 2017 F250 diesel with 49,000 miles which I got in October 2016. Never had a problem other than normal service. I paid 71k out the door.

I ordered a new 2023 F250 diesel basically identical. It will be 81 out the door. They are giving me 45 in trade.

The old truck cost 26k for six years and 49,000 miles. Basically 4,333.33 a year or 361 bucks a month. That excludes the time value of money but also excludes the benefit of 100% depreciation in year one as it is a business asset.

I'm having a hard time finding a passenger car that only costs 361 a month plus basic maintenance? Especially one that can tow 20,000 pounds and is really roomy for 4 people? Seems to me that a diesel truck is a pretty good value per mile?

 

[CLdrinker]

I have a 2017 F250 diesel with 49,000 miles which I got in October 2016. Never had a problem other than normal service. I paid 71k out the door.

I ordered a new 2023 F250 diesel basically identical. It will be 81 out the door. They are giving me 45 in trade.

The old truck cost 26k for six years and 49,000 miles. Basically 4,333.33 a year or 361 bucks a month. That excludes the time value of money but also excludes the benefit of 100% depreciation in year one as it is a business asset.

I'm having a hard time finding a passenger car that only costs 361 a month plus basic maintenance? Especially one that can tow 20,000 pounds and is really roomy for 4 people? Seems to me that a diesel truck is a pretty good value per mile?

Why trading it in so cheap?

Why are you comparing realized monthly cost of your truck to purchase cost of a new vehicle. A bit of an apples to oranges comparison.

Let’s look at the cost of ownership of my 2018 Ram 2500 gasser.
Bought it for $38,000 drove 13,000 miles and sold it for $42,000. I made $166 a month on that truck.
Show me a new diesel that will pay me to buy it.

20,000lbs with an F250? Oh my where are the towing police.

 

[NicPaus]

Used diesels are sure up in value but so are gas trucks.

My gas 1500 2018 I traded in for the 21. I paid 37k plus fees. It was 100% write off. Got 35K on the trade in for it. Paid 47.5k or so plus fees for the 2021 6.6 gas Z71 with leather and pretty loaded.

I sold 1 of my diesels 2015. Same deal on write off. Paid 45k plus fees. Used it for 6 years sold it for $37.5 cash. If I would of known could of got 40k plus 6 months later. Same truck is 68k plus fees now.

 

[NicPaus]

20,000lbs with an F250? Oh my where are the towing police.
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The tow ratings on all the new trucks are impressive.

What's your 7.3?

My 6.6 says 16k but I think it would be a dog on the hills with 373 gears.

 

[stillhustlin]

Used diesels are sure up in value but so are gas trucks.

My gas 1500 2018 I traded in for the 21. I paid 37k plus fees. It was 100% write off. Got 35K on the trade in for it. Paid 47.5k or so plus fees for the 2021 6.6 gas Z71 with leather and pretty loaded.

I sold 1 of my diesels 2015. Same deal on write off. Paid 45k plus fees. Used it for 6 years sold it for $37.5 cash. If I would of known could of got 40k plus 6 months later. Same truck is 68k plus fees now.

What mpg are you seeing on the 21 6.6?

 

[Blackmagic94]

Ram 2500 6.4L


16k towing is like 8.5 mpg

Jet boat is like 15 mpg

Unloaded is 18.5


All at 74 mph on cruise flat land

 

[NicPaus]

What mpg are you seeing on the 21 6.6?

Crew cab 4x4 7' bed. Not towing round trip to the river 15.2 mpg with no traffic. Around town 10.6 mpg. 373 gears.

My reg cab 8' bed 2wd gas 6.0. 10.1 Around town. 12.7 round trip to river not towing. 411 gears.

Duramax is 10.5 avg Around town but weighs 12,500 lbs. Round trip to river was 13.7 mpg.

 

[Orange Juice]

I scheduled my first oil change at the Dodge dealer, and they we 14 days out. It’s part of the dealer experience (free oil changes)

They told me it typically takes 1.5 hour.

I’ll let you know.

 

[OCMerrill]

Why trading it in so cheap?

Why are you comparing realized monthly cost of your truck to purchase cost of a new vehicle. A bit of an apples to oranges comparison.

Let’s look at the cost of ownership of my 2018 Ram 2500 gasser.
Bought it for $38,000 drove 13,000 miles and sold it for $42,000. I made $166 a month on that truck.
Show me a new diesel that will pay me to buy it.

20,000lbs with an F250? Oh my where are the towing police.

The 2022 F250 6.7 can tow exactly that. 20K. Ford and GM both give their high HP engine to 250's and 350's.
Ford 1050 lb feet and 475 hp.

If you were towing that weight on a regular basis I think the F250 is your only rated choice for a 3/4 ton.

That said you need a Commercial License to be legal not that anyone cares.

 

[CLdrinker]

20,000lbs with an F250? Oh my where are the towing police.

The tow ratings on all the new trucks are impressive.

What's your 7.3?

My 6.6 says 16k but I think it would be a dog on the hills with 373 gears.
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15k bumper 16,900 fifth wheel

 

[fishing fool]

Not looking for "trade in value", this will be a truck I keep for a long time. I would use it as a daily driver 40 miles one way to work. I'm in Arizona so smog would not be a issue (I hope).

Just looking for a truck that will last a long time with miles on it and able to tow what I want.

 

[SPFRONTMAN]

Thinking about getting a new/used truck. I love my diesel but not too sure I need another diesel. Only pulling a enclosed trailer, boat maybe a smaller 5th wheel..


NO I do not want a F-150 or a "fucking ford ranger"

 

[spectra3279]

Gassers can run along time. Personally I’d be more scared of a high milage diesel due to emissions equipment failures or other repairs as they ain’t cheap.

That's why I love my truck. She's old, 03, but never came with any kind of smog shit. Non-catalyst truck. 350k miles and still pulls like a freight train. No she's not stock, tune and aftermarket turbo.

 

[LC925]

I went with a 6.6 gasser in my newest 2500. I have a 6.0 gasser in a 2500 and a Duramax in a 3500.

The 6.6 so far has been great truck. It is mainly used for the river and vacations. Unloaded it gets almost 3 more mpg than the 6.0 gas to the river and back. Around town same mpg 10. Tows better. It was 15k less than diesel for same exact options as I would have had to order the diesel.

Fast forward til today… how’s that 6.6 gasser treating you?

Thinking of getting a 2500HD and not sure I want/need another diesel with all the emissions crap. I have the 2020 3500HD DuraMax for the 5th wheel toy hauler. I see they offer the Allison for the 6.6 gas now… 90% of the mileage is in CA where diesel is over priced.

 

[NicPaus]

Been a great truck almost 30k miles. Almost all river miles. Last trip I reset it and got 15.7 mpg going to the River driving 70-80 mph.

I have not drove it much this year. Have 5 other vehicles I alternate using depending on jobs.

I towed a travel trailer for a friend around 7k lbs. Averaged 12.5 mpg but no hills.

I almost ordered a new 1 with a work body custom made to order. But it was 84k before fees. This one has leather 4wd Z71 package and was 47.5k plus fees with employee discount for all. Sticker was 55k.

 

[LC925]

Yeah I don’t expect great MPG. Just trying to outweigh the pros and cons. Will likely keep for a LONG time. I figure worse case, I can drop in a long block for cheaper than DPF replacement out of warranty.

I have a Ram Ecodiesel in the shop, FOR A RECALL and they tried to decline it lol. $15k to replace the entire fuel system because of their high pressure fuel pump failure. Finally after 3 months, they approve and complete repairs, make it 1 mile and loss of power. See how long this takes.

Again, I have the dually for the big stuff, just thinking a gas 2500HD might fit the bill for the rest of the stuff rather than pushing it on a 1500.

Thanks for the input. Might go test drive one.

 

[adam909]

Not looking for "trade in value", this will be a truck I keep for a long time. I would use it as a daily driver 40 miles one way to work. I'm in Arizona so smog would not be a issue (I hope).

Just looking for a truck that will last a long time with miles on it and able to tow what I want.

4th gen cummins. proven motor. even better if you delete it.. I have a 2023 ram 2500 gasser for work, its a beast of a truck but sucks gas like no other..

 

[Angler]

Thinking about getting a new/used truck. I love my diesel but not too sure I need another diesel. Only pulling a enclosed trailer, boat maybe a smaller 5th wheel..


NO I do not want a F-150 or a "fucking ford ranger"

Just rebuild what you have.

 

[EarpRider]

Fast forward til today… how’s that 6.6 gasser treating you?

Thinking of getting a 2500HD and not sure I want/need another diesel with all the emissions crap. I have the 2020 3500HD DuraMax for the 5th wheel toy hauler. I see they offer the Allison for the 6.6 gas now… 90% of the mileage is in CA where diesel is over priced.

I just traded in my 2008 2500 HD diesel for this 2024 the 6.6 no regrets.

 

[LC925]

I just traded in my 2008 2500 HD diesel for this 2024 the 6.6 no regrets. View attachment 1301423

Beautiful

 

[Backlash]

I was in the same predicament being stuck in Commiefornia and not wanting to deal with the diesel issues..... We needed something a little larger with more towing capacity than my little SS. I just picked up a used 1500 HD 4WD with the 6.0/4L80E. I think it will fit our needs perfectly. Like you said, I can score a pullout motor for a few grand and get a new lease on life.

 

[MeCasa16]

I just traded in my 2008 2500 HD diesel for this 2024 the 6.6 no regrets. View attachment 1301423

I love the color of that truck.