Game Of Thrones (the good thread)

[JD D05]

What do you mean? There was an episode where we saw those elves or whatever make him with the dragonglass...

I must have forgot about that lol, where did the damn elves come from than???

 

[WhatExit?]

So I guess we will never know the origins or what the Night King was? Just mean guy.

The Night King of the show is the first White Walker, created by the Children of the Forest — the original inhabitants of Westeros, who lived there before the First Men came over and settled the land — out of a captive First Man. (Bran saw the ritual in a vision back in season 6, episode 5, “The Door.”)



The biggest death in Game of Thrones’ Battle of Winterfell, explained
Stick ’em with the pointy end.

At the climax of Game of Thrones season eight, episode three, “The Long Night,” the Night King finally met his match — though only partly, as many viewers had speculated, at the hands of Bran Stark and a carefully laid magic trap.

Instead — spoilers ahead! — the show’s resident teenage girl assassin did her thing, and Arya Stark wound up saying no to the god of death in spectacular fashion.

If you found it difficult to follow what was happening throughout the long, action-packed, scene-jumping, and very literally dark Battle of Winterfell, here’s what went down: In the middle of the fight, Arya briefly confronted Melisandre, the Red Witch. It was a hostile encounter; after all, Melisandre was on Arya’s kill list at one point for being mean to her best friend (and eventual love interest) Gendry.

But during this meeting, as Melisandre recounted their previous one years earlier, she pointedly reminded Arya that she’d prophesied that Arya would take many lives, including those of beings with blue eyes. In other words, she seemed to be suggesting that Arya use her assassination skills to go after the Night King.

Arya was clearly paying attention, because in the episode’s climactic moment, just as the Night King was about to kill a thoroughly indifferent-seeming Bran Stark, Arya pounced on him out of nowhere and stabbed him with her trusty Valyrian steel dagger. It was the same dagger that’s been knocking around Game of Thrones since the show began, and one that’s has played an important role in both triggering and ending major events throughout the series.

Valyrian steel is one of the few things that can kill a White Walker, and when Arya stabbed the Night King with it — after Bran first conveniently lured him into a weirwood forest similar to the one where the Night King was created centuries earlier — he immediately shattered into pieces. (Game of Thrones co-creator David Benioff confirmed during the “Inside the Episode” featurette for “The Long Night” that luring the Night King to the weirwood was crucial to his demise, at least partially confirming a long-held fan theory about how the Night King would be “unmade”.)

This prompted a domino effect throughout his entire army, as they were all destroyed in turn.

But why? Was taking out the Night King’s entire army really that easy?

Turns out, yes.

When Arya killed the Night King, all the White Walkers and wights he’d created were killed in turn
The theory that if the Night King could be killed, all the White Walkers and wights he created would also subsequently all die was a popular one going into the episode.

We already knew that if you kill a White Walker, all of the wights that White Walker “sired” would die. By extension, it was natural to assume — as voiced by Beric Dondarrion during season seven’s big White Walker confrontation in “Beyond the Wall” — that if you kill the Night King, all the White Walkers he sired would also die, causing all the wights they sired to die too.

And in the end, that’s exactly what happened: When Arya killed the Night King, she took out the Night King’s entire army of thousands in one stroke.

Not bad for little Arya Underfoot.

 

[Old Texan]

Arya showed to be the bad ass she's trained to be. Fearless and her fight scenes with her new weapon were awesome.

But along with Arya, little Lady Mormount was as brave and bad. She charged a giant that was a killing machine, was grabbed up by him to be crushed in his huge hand, when she stabbed him in the eye with a dragon glass dagger, dropping him dead. Truly a hero....

Great episode and it looks like more of the same to come

 

[WhatExit?]

Good read about the show last night if you're into the series
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/28/arts/television/game-of-thrones-battle-of-winterfell-review.html

 

[Taboma]

Recording this season, haven't watched even one S8 yet --- but no worries, given the appropriate "Spoiler Warnings", I'm resisting the temptation to indulge my urges
We've got all the other seasons on DVD, so we've decided to watch S7 Ep 7 as a quick review prior to starting S8.
This show being such a winner, why are they ending it ? I thought I read where they were contemplating a pre-Game Of Thrones era series ?

 

[charred1]

Don’t forget about Beric. He saved Arya just before she killed the Night King.

 

[MissB]

BUT why has NOBODY talked about where Dani and Drogon breath fire on the Night King and he walks away from it???? He's Targaryen? Nobody is question that!!

 

[cole_skier]

BUT why has NOBODY talked about where Dani and Drogon breath fire on the Night King and he walks away from it???? He's Targaryen? Nobody is question that!!

Friend of my son thinks he is the mad king.


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[jetboatperformance]

Hmmmm watched the first two of episode one , lots of severed heads , a horny midget , titties and doggy style

 

[WhatExit?]

Recording this season, haven't watched even one S8 yet --- but no worries, given the appropriate "Spoiler Warnings", I'm resisting the temptation to indulge my urges
We've got all the other seasons on DVD, so we've decided to watch S7 Ep 7 as a quick review prior to starting S8.
This show being such a winner, why are they ending it ? I thought I read where they were contemplating a pre-Game Of Thrones era series ?

Best thing to do to prep for Season 8 is watch Season 1. You'll be amazed at the info and "clues" you get watching it again

 

[WhatExit?]

BUT why has NOBODY talked about where Dani and Drogon breath fire on the Night King and he walks away from it???? He's Targaryen? Nobody is question that!!

It shouldn't be a shock to anyone that he was able to withstand the direct blaze from Drogon's fire. And his immunity to fire doesn't have anything to do with a possible Targaryen lineage but rather everything to do with his magic. The only way to defeat him is with Valyrian steel, and that's just what Arya does.

Still, it's pretty entertaining (and disturbing) to watch the Night King's smirk as Daenerys realizes the dragon fire did nothing. From a guy who's generally cold and expressionless, it's the first time he seemingly emotes, and it's kind of a badass moment for him.

 

[WhatExit?]

Jon or Danerys will likely end up on the Iron Throne (no guarantee of course). Here's an opinion on this but it's not mine:

As George R.R. Martin’s incest and ice dragon program winds its way to an end, there are fewer things standing between Daenerys and the Iron Throne—mostly, the fact that her nephew-lover, Jon Snow, is the rightful heir.

There’s a simple solution: Dany must kill Jon so that she can do what she’s been trying to do forever, which is sit her ass on the Iron Throne and rule the Seven Kingdoms with grace, temerity, and the specific sort of fear inspired by two hungry dragons who love flesh and their mother, in that order. Let this bitch, who has not stopped screaming about her desire to do so, rule these lands.

In a perfect world, Dany and Jon would stop having sex and figure out some way to rule together, though Jon has no interest in ruling and is clearly still fucked up from the fact that he is Aegon Targareyn, the rightful heir to the Iron Throne, and not Jon Snow, a sad sack bastard who has died once already and will certainly, probably die again. Dany has been squawking about the throne since day one, and she deserves it after the sucker punch of learning that she’s been fucking her nephew who is technically the one who “belongs” in the seat, thanks to the arcane laws of Westeros. Feminism has yet to reach the Seven Kingdoms, but putting Dany and her irritating lizard children on that throne and letting her rock would be a good start.

I’d welcome her reign, and as a woman who is tired of Jon Snow moping around in the gloom whining about how he never wanted this life, I’m in full support of Dany fulfilling her destiny as the daughter of the Mad King and murdering Jon. She has wanted to sit on this throne for her entire life. Please, for the love of the Many Faced God, let her have it.

 

[Outdrive1]

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[Taboma]

Best thing to do to prep for Season 8 is watch Season 1. You'll be amazed at the info and "clues" you get watching it again

Interesting, wouldn't have guessed that -- thanks !!

 

[RiverDave]

If they were trying to stress out the fans they did a pretty good ducking job.

 

[Old Texan]

The upcoming thing I'm most curious about, is Bronn. Will he take the riches Cersei has promised and kill Dany, or will he say fuck it and support her brothers who have been his friends and running mates??????

Listening to Bronn talk about pussy is one of the great side stories to the whole series. If Cersei truly wanted his loyalty, she should have promised him leg instead of gold.

 

[Cole Trickle]

The upcoming thing I'm most curious about, is Bronn. Will he take the riches Cersei has promised and kill Dany, or will he say fuck it and support her brothers who have been his friends and running mates??????

Listening to Bronn talk about pussy is one of the great side stories to the whole series. If Cersei truly wanted his loyalty, she should have promised him leg instead of gold.

He wasn't sent to kill Danny he was sent to kill the brothers if need be with the same crossbow her brother killed her dad with.

 

[Old Texan]

He wasn't sent to kill Danny he was sent to kill the brothers if need be with the same crossbow her brother killed her dad with.

I'm half deaf and he Old Lady gets pissed when I turn the sound up....The big woofer shakes the whole house when GoT is on.

I figured the bitch was after Dany. Still be interesting to see if the mercenary part of Bronn is stronger than his friendship with the boys....Especially if Tryion has connections with the Wenches for hire in the North. Pussy is Bronn's Achilles' heel.

 

[BajaMike]

Haven’t seen the last one yet, still catching up, but every one says the last episode was so dark you couldn’t see what’s happening on a normal TV. ??

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Haven’t seen the last one yet, still catching up, but every one says the last episode was so dark you couldn’t see what’s happening on a normal TV. ??

Very Very dark. Be sure to make the room as dark as you can to see as much as possible.

 

[redone76]

Very Very dark. Be sure to make the room as dark as you can to see as much as possible.

Our room was dark and I cheated by turning up the brightness on my TV


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[BajaMike]

Very Very dark. Be sure to make the room as dark as you can to see as much as possible.

I don’t get that at all. All I’ve heard all day from fans is it was so dark (even in a blacked out room) they couldn’t see what was happening. These directors who think its “artsy” to have a picture you cant see or characters with bad accents or mumble so bad (for effect?) you can’t understand a word they say should be fired.

Sounds like huge fail for HBO and GOT.

Just MHO.

 

[WhatExit?]

No fail at all. Sounds like you didn't watch it.

You could see all that was needed to be seen. There was no mystery as to what was happening.

And while the battle was well staged and well done, imagine how much more costly it would've been if it was in daylight showing every detail.

 

[Old Texan]

It was a huge battle with morning fog and huge amounts of smoke and the dragons soaring above in the clouds.....Things happening fast and it was filmed to show the chaos. Detailed scenes were interspersed continuously. Anyone that was disappointed, doesn't understand the show.

 

[WhatExit?]

Maybe Bran Stark isn't evil - maybe he's the Lord of Light
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entert...ark-lord-of-light-jon-snow-fire-wight-theory/

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

The episode was dark, but I think that set the mood. I just waited until it was dark outside. Perfect episode for my OLED.

Yes, and earlier in the week Bran was evil. Before that he was the night king. The most annoying thing about this show are the 100 Monday morning recap/spoiler/theory articles that I can’t seem to stop reading.

 

[Racey]

I had no problem watching the last episode, from a darkness standpoint, and my TV isn't anything special.

I did hear a lot of talk about the cable companies compressing the video signal so badly that dark artifacting was a problem. Also HBOGO streamers that watched it on sunday get shafted because the insane traffic surge essentially causes the same thing to happen for them.

 

[Tank]

I definitely could've done with-out the picture so freakin' dark. It was irritating. I get they wanted to be as realistic as possible as if it was actually shot in the dark with only candle light and huge fires roaring but FUCK it was annoying!

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I had no problem watching the last episode, from a darkness standpoint, and my TV isn't anything special.

I did hear a lot of talk about the cable companies compressing the video signal so badly that dark artifacting was a problem. Also HBOGO streamers that watched it on sunday get shafted because the insane traffic surge essentially causes the same thing to happen for them.

I watched it in our theater room. Its dark DARK in there. Both my wife and I really struggled to pick up important details on the battle. Specially the sequence where they were showing Jamie and Lady Brienne in the heat of battle. I told my wife, "we'll figure it all out when the sun comes up...if the sun comes up"

Even with the darkness, completely epic battle scene.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I definitely could've done with-out the picture so freakin' dark. It was irritating. I get they wanted to be as realistic as possible as if it was actually shot in the dark with only candle light and huge fires roaring but FUCK it was annoying!

When the battle commenced and the Dothraki hoard rode out with their swords afire, I thought it was an amazing effect. But to continue that made it a bit irritating.

 

[RiverDave]

No fail at all. Sounds like you didn't watch it.

You could see all that was needed to be seen. There was no mystery as to what was happening.

And while the battle was well staged and well done, imagine how much more costly it would've been if it was in daylight showing every detail.

It added to the stress level of the show

 

[Outdrive1]

Watch The Game Revealed. It explains how and why they shot the episode. It makes a lot of sense.

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[Old Texan]

Well episode 4 had to have as much tension as any yet......All I want now is extremely violent ending for Cersei and Euron Greyjoy

And Bronn came through as the true mercenary he is, playing the odds to get his payday.

What will Jaime do?

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Was a pretty good episode. The only part I didn’t like was turning Brienne from a bad ass to a crying baby.

 

[WhatExit?]

Recap of episode 4 - pretty funny comments in it...
https://www.cnet.com/news/game-of-t...-daenerys-jon-snow-cersei-arya-tyrion-dragon/

 

[WhatExit?]

GAME OF THRONES: S8 EP 4 - "THE LAST OF THE STARKS" REVIEW

"We may have defeated them, but we still have us to contend with."

In many ways, "The Last of the Starks" is the most solidly “Game of Thrones” episode of Game of Thrones we've had in a long time, full of political machinations and whispered schemes. In others, it suffers from the same storytelling frustrations that have plagued this season (and, arguably, every season since the show began outpacing George R. R. Martin’s books).

It’s somewhat realistic that even the most heroic and level-headed characters are beginning to fall prey to mistrust and paranoia when there’s so much on the line (let alone the characters who aren’t that level-headed, like Cersei and Daenerys), but it’s still infuriating that, after everything these people have been through and all the horrific things they’ve seen, they can’t put aside their differences and simply try to see things from each other’s point of view. (Then again, the same can probably be said for our world, and for the many civil wars that Martin drew inspiration from when crafting his narrative.)

Martin has always espoused the notion that power corrupts, and we’re clearly about to see that writ large with the blood of every man, woman, and child in King’s Landing. Cersei’s obviously prepared to use them all as human shields, while Daenerys is so set on her goal and so traumatized by all she’s lost (her two closest friends and two of her children in very quick succession) that she’s too blinded by hatred to stop and consider the collateral damage. Missandei's death feels particularly wasteful - yes, she's the last surviving member of Dany's entourage who could provoke such a reaction, which was surely Cersei's goal, but the death of Rhaegal should've been enough of a catalyst for Dany's vengeance. Plus, basically giving Daenerys permission to indulge her worst, most destructive instincts seems a little out of character for a woman who's seen the cost of such violence (especially aimed against the poor and helpless inhabitants of a city) her whole life.

The show has positioned these two “Mad Queens” in an unwinnable game of chicken where mutually assured destruction seems like the most likely outcome, and yet Daenerys once said she didn’t come to Westeros to be “queen of the ashes.” Has she forgotten that vow, or will Jon and Tyrion be able to pull her back from the brink?

Now that the White Walkers are destroyed, it’s impossible not to look back at the vision she had in the House of the Undying, where something that certainly looked like snow was falling upon the Iron Throne through gaping holes in the Red Keep’s roof. Sure, we all assumed it would be the work of the Night King, but the damage could just as easily be due to dragon fire, or wildfire - and in “The Long Night,” it was impossible to tell the difference between snow and ash outside Winterfell. We certainly wouldn’t put it past Cersei to simply blow the hidden caches of wildfire she’s got around the city, as Daenerys’ father once tried to do, in a petty demonstration of “if I can’t have the throne, no one can,” and in some ways, that would probably be the best outcome for everyone. (Euron has to have done the math and figured out something's iffy about Cersei's pregnancy after Tyrion's impassioned speech, right?)

But the show is leaning so heavily and clumsily into Dany’s Mad Queen routine, I’m still hoping the show will offer us a satisfying twist on that heavy foreshadowing - otherwise what were all her long (and often boring) travails in Essos even for?

We see that Daenerys can be strategic when she needs to be - legitimizing Gendry as a true Baratheon to secure his loyalty - but we also see how lonely she is without Jorah and the Dothraki behind her. What has all of this been for, if she doesn’t have the love of the people or a family who will stand beside her no matter what, like Jon has? How much more does she have to lose before she gains some perspective? In some ways, it seems like the show is setting her up to sacrifice herself for Jon, to finally realize that the realm’s needs should come before her own desires - but it’s equally likely that Varys will be the third betrayal that was prophesied to Dany in the books: “Three treasons will you know: once for blood and once for gold and once for love.” Varys almost outright says that his love for the realm will supercede any loyalty to Dany, so could she be the one to kill him (as Melisandre foretold) after he tries to assassinate her before the final showdown with Cersei?

Varys and Tyrion aren’t the only ones scheming this week. We can’t blame the Stark sisters for wanting to hold on to the idea that “the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives,” especially given everyone who’s tried to rip their family apart, but it’s still exhausting to see Jon make the same disastrous mistakes he’s made multiple times in the past, by trusting everyone else to be as honorable as he is. By telling Sansa and Arya the truth about his identity as Aegon Targaryen, he proves Daenerys right - Sansa immediately starts trying to undermine Dany’s claim, and in her mind, that’s probably perfectly rational, given everything she’s seen of the Dragon Queen so far.

Perhaps the best takeaway from this episode (and this season) is that there truly is no line between our so-called “heroes” and “villains” - Sansa and Arya have our loyalty by virtue of being Starks, but their behavior this season is every bit as manipulative and mercenary as Cersei’s, even while Daenerys seems to be behaving exactly as selfishly and callously as Sansa, Arya, and Sam warned Jon she would be, therefore seeming to justify the Starks’ mistrust.

Jon might be the only character in the show who technically has his hands clean by staying true to his vows, but his naivete also puts everything he loves at risk - and those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it. He’s seen what honesty cost Ned Stark, and when Daenerys outright tells him that some truths are far more hurtful and damaging than the cost of concealing them, he selfishly puts his own honor and comfort above keeping the peace, because lying to his sisters would make him feel guilty. Just because he’s a reluctant leader doesn’t mean he’s any more qualified than Daenerys, when he has no sense of how to negotiate or compromise when necessary.

As Tywin Lannister once said, it’s not holiness, justice, or strength that makes a good king, but wisdom - “a wise king knows what he knows and what he doesn’t.” Sometimes wisdom means knowing that a secret - like the one Ned kept from everyone in his life to keep Jon alive all these years, at great cost to his marriage and reputation - is far more honorable than the truth.

In that way, as frustrating as this episode is, because all of these people should know better, it’s perhaps one of the most honest in a long time - especially when Jaime, even after experiencing something truly pure and good and healthy with Brienne, admits that he’s “hateful” just like Cersei is, and rides off to face her one last time. It’s a heartbreaking moment, but despite Jaime’s hard-won redemptive arc over the last few seasons, it feels true to the character - of course he doesn't feel like he deserves the happy ending. Ditto Arya’s polite refusal of Gendry’s proposal - she long ago told Ned “that’s not me” when he predicted she would someday marry a lord, and it’s a satisfying callback to hear her tell Gendry the same. Like her wolf, Nymeria, she needs to be untethered - she still has a name to cross off her list, after all.

Where “The Last of the Starks” falls short is in its recurring shortcuts. We’ve heard that direwolves are expensive (but now that Rhaegal and Viserion are both dead, presumably the dragon budget has dropped by two thirds), and yet Jon arbitrarily decides that Ghost should go North with Tormund with nary a pat or even a goodbye from his absentee master, despite getting his ear torn off and his side scratched up in a battle where we all thought he’d died anyway? The direwolves were such a pivotal part of the show’s early seasons (and are still such a pivotal part of George R. R. Martin’s books, thanks to the A Song of Ice and Fire’s emphasis on the Starks’ warging abilities) it’s heartbreaking to see them so sidelined here. I almost want Jon to die again just for treating his faithful sidekick so poorly.

There are other nitpicks too, of course - why wouldn’t Daenerys just fly around behind Euron’s fleet where there didn’t seem to be any ballistas and torch them from behind? How did the dragons not see Euron’s fleet from miles away? What the heck is the point of Bronn anymore if he’s going to sit out another major battle? But at this point, the show is in such a rush to get into its final stretch, it seems those contrivances aren't going away. It's stunning that Dany lost another dragon so quickly, and between that dwindling firepower, the destruction of the White Walkers and the show's disinterest in the direwolves, it certainly seems like magic is draining back out of the world at a rapid rate.

Perhaps it’s just because of the truncated episode order that everyone’s decisions feel much more extreme and heavy-handed than they used to, when in the good old days, you truly couldn’t guess who had poisoned Joffrey or sent an assassin after Bran (let alone predict that it was the same damn person!). It’s not a dealbreaker, but the show certainly seems to be lacking a sense of nuance compared to the intricate way this game used to be played - and that might be setting us up for a divisive ending.

The Verdict
This is the most deliciously political Game of Thrones has been for some time, and there's something immensely satisfying about getting back to all the scheming and backbiting that drove the show's early seasons, even if Season 8 has lost all the subtlety and nuance that used to be a hallmark of the show. There's something heartbreakingly realistic about seeing our characters devolve into this kind of pettiness even after facing down the literal embodiment of death, but we still wish the show was taking its time rather than racing to the finish line.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/06/game-of-thrones-s8-ep-4-review

 

[WhatExit?]

Did you see it?!

The Starbucks cup in the show last night...

 

[RiverDave]

Arrya killed the night king.. Arrya is going to The capital wkth the hound both on unfinished business.

The hound is going to kill the mountain, I expect Arrya might get Cersie, or get damn close before her teacher of the faceless
God’s gets ahold of her. It will be a sad sight but she’s gonna get clipped in one of the final breaking episodes.

As for making predictions virtually no way this ends without Sansa either queen of the North, or on the Iron Throne itself!

 

[Racey]

 

[Old Texan]

Wow.....Hope Dany got all her frustration out. That was brutal. Not the best writing on this one

Jamie did a helluva job on Euron, but I'd have preferred to have seen Cersei get burned at the window rather than wimpering in the basement before being crushed.

The big bows didn't help anything this round. And what are the odds, the Mountain survived the fall?????

Overall, I thought it was a pretty disappointing episode......Will Arya take out Dany? She ain't a happy lil' assassin by any means and I think Tyrion is having second thoughts

 

[LC925]

It’s going to be tuff to wrap it all up in 1 last episode... really hope all loose ends are tied up. John Snow didn’t look happy with Dany’s Decision after the bells rang. Starting to wonder if he or Arya will possible end Dany?!?

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Writer 1-“Shit, we only have two episodes left, how do we kill off the main villain?”

Writer 2-“we could always just drop a building on her”

Writer 1-“Done, but only after we get 20 shots of her throughout the episode standing at the window saying nothing”

Wtf is wrong with this show? What changed from last season to this one? Someone get greedy and they had to shut it down? Different writers?

 

[jailbird141]

There will be another twist before it's over. I wouldn't count Arya out just yet either.

 

[Racey]

Writer 1-“Shit, we only have two episodes left, how do we kill off the main villain?”

Writer 2-“we could always just drop a building on her”

Writer 1-“Done, but only after we get 20 shots of her throughout the episode standing at the window saying nothing”

Wtf is wrong with this show? What changed from last season to this one? Someone get greedy and they had to shut it down? Different writers?

George RR Martin never wrote the final book(s), so the TV writers wrote their own ending. 8 years of character building, complex stories, subtle dialogue and foreshadowing, and they finish it off with a sledge hammer just beating the audience over it's head.

I just can't believe they had 2 entire years off to write and produce the ending and this is what they came up with...

Whatever, one more episode and it's over. Maybe this will finally force GRRM to get off his ass and finish writing so that he can fix this abortion.

 

[pkrrvr619]

Does anyone like spoilers? I have an odd fascination with knowing what happens before it does. There was a site that pretty much predicted episode 5 perfectly as well as the final episode due to leaks.

Any other inmates that have a similar disease?

 

[Tank]

I thought Episode 5 was decent but on the negative I do feel the story line this whole season has been rushed and the writing is definitely the worst of the whole show. Not that it's horrible, just not up to the standards the show has set from the beginning. You can absolutely feel Martin's absence in this season. I think Racey summed it up perfectly, it feels like a sledgehammer and feels very rushed and less poetic.

 

[mobldj]

anyone see jamie had both hands hugging the bitch at the end.another editing f up.lol

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

George RR Martin never wrote the final book(s), so the TV writers wrote their own ending. 8 years of character building, complex stories, subtle dialogue and foreshadowing, and they finish it off with a sledge hammer just beating the audience over it's head.

I just can't believe they had 2 entire years off to write and produce the ending and this is what they came up with...

Whatever, one more episode and it's over. Maybe this will finally force GRRM to get off his ass and finish writing so that he can fix this abortion.

Was he not in involved at all? I would have thought he was giving them an outline of what would be happening.

 

[thmterry]

I also feel like it is rushed and no "Didnt see that coming" moments. That is part of what made the show unpredictable and exciting in the past. Disappointed in the season so far. How many of her own solders did the Mother of Dragons kill?

 

[Racey]

Was he not in involved at all? I would have thought he was giving them an outline of what would be happening.

I don't really follow that closely, but my understanding is he was not.