Fullerton officer charged w/ murder for Kelly Thomas death

[MMD]

THAT IS THE STUPID~IST POST IN THIS THREAD, BEHIND ALL THE OTHER ILL INFORMED POST..

Another genius who knows more than everyone else

I'm not sure who, if anyone, here said they're guilty. Most/all of this thread has been about justice being served.

I'm curious about something. Have you heard ANYTHING at all that indicates the cops lives were threatened by this schizophrenic homeless man which could somehow justify them beating the life out of this man? Did he have a knife or gun? A weapon of any kind? What have you heard that would indicate the cops had to taser him and then (pulling latex gloves on and saying, "these fists are gonna fuck you up") beat him to death to "protect and serve" the community?

Just wondering...

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

I'm going to step back, and watch how this unfolds.

The Fullerton police also need to know exactly what happened, if its been a problem in the past, and how it was handled. 6 officers involved is big problem for a city their size.

How does something like this unfold? I'm guessing there was a chase of some kind to get the blood pumping. It was the end of the forth of July weekend, and as usual we were on high terror alert:blah:

Maybe all 6 police officers, and the homeless man, stopped taking their behavioral med's just before the incident, and when the two parties clashed, it was just something meant to be?

 

[HighRoller]

The facts will not matter here. This will be a railroad job for sure. And the FEDS are there to make sure.

Here in Portland an officer was involved in a shooting, was cleared of fault...and then subsequently fired and run out of town because the public was mad. Pretty sure his "civil rights" were violated and the FBI was nowhere to be seen

 

[Wicky]

You, of all people, should realize that every situation is different.

Here's a little something that might help you.

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I didn't hear one person in the video talk about Kelly's criminal record. He was a thief. I have no compassion for thieves. They are the scum of the earth. We pay taxes to the IRS...borderline thievery. We pay very inflated prices on everything we buy today because of thieves. I don't know how much but, I'm guessing add 20% onto everything we purchase.
If there was a death sentence for thieves, my life would be improved by having 20% more wealth.
Sad deal for Mr Kelly but, he was thief just as Rodney King was a piece of shit criminal and deserved the beating he got. Just my thoughts.

Now, on the other hand, I have seen completely innocent people get roughed up by cops as well as many of you probably have too. This is where I have lost a lot of respect for the boys in blue. Lately, I have observed many cops being assholes and unfortunately, I think this is where Mr Kelly's supporters are jumping on the bandwagon.

 

[Wicky]

Another genius who knows more than everyone else

I'm not sure who, if anyone, here said they're guilty. Most/all of this thread has been about justice being served.

I'm curious about something. Have you heard ANYTHING at all that indicates the cops lives were threatened by this schizophrenic homeless THIEF which could somehow justify them beating the life out of this man? Did he have a knife or gun? A weapon of any kind? What have you heard that would indicate the cops had to taser him and then (pulling latex gloves on and saying, "these fists are gonna fuck you up") beat him to death to "protect and serve" the community?

Just wondering...

Fixed it for ya...

 

[Tom Brown]

If it was 6 of us, we'd be on trial for murder already.

... and we would have been found guilty by PB.com forum members as soon as they heard we were involved.

 

[Wicky]

Who here has had something stolen from them that they worked extremely hard for? What was the first thought that rolled through your mind? It probably was, I'm gonna kill the son of a bitch that stole my___________.

 

[Mr. C]

Big difference between thinking/saying it and doing it. stealing does not warrant the death penalty to me..... I am all for the death penalty though.

Who here has had something stolen from them that they worked extremely hard for? What was the first thought that rolled through your mind? It probably was, I'm gonna kill the son of a bitch that stole my___________.

 

[t&y]

I think the OC DA coming out and saying what he did speaks loudly as to the facts surrounding the case. From the beginning I have stayed neutral waiting to hear something from someone other than an emotionally upset father and YouTube video's. If the DA is willing to file 2nd degree murder on one cop and manslaughter on another you can bet your ass he has plenty of evidence to back it up.

Something that the majority of people are missing was addressed specifically by the DA yesterday in regards to "6" officers. Not all 6 of them were as involved and honestly because one officer is breaking the law does not automatically wrap all of them up in the scenario. Keep in mind, using force to arrest people is a very common thing for police officers. It's not always hitting or tazering and sometimes it is as simple as arm bar or control techniques.

I haven't read anywhere that all 6 of them actually hit the guy nor have I read anywhere that all 6 of them were there from the get go. It's very likely, and the opinion of the OC DA who has seen all the evidence and spoken to all the witnesses, that 4 of the six were not criminally involved for various Law Enforcement use of force rules and regulations that most of the public is not aware of.

As to the question of 6 gangbangers killing one cop vs 6 cops killing one homeless man... that is comparing apples and oranges. You are trying to equate 6 representatives of the legal system who are granted powers of arrest and use of force involved in a dynamic incident vs. 6 representatives of a criminal street gang beating/killing a representative of the legal system. If you can't see the difference here I'm not sure what to tell you.

And before feelings are hurt over that statement, I am not saying there are not criminal cops out there. I do believe some of the officers in the Kelly Thomas case did go over the line and need to be held accountable.

 

[Tom Brown]

I haven?t read anywhere that all 6 of them actually hit the guy nor have I read anywhere that all 6 of them were there from the get go.

How do the four officers who didn't "actually hit" the victim decide whether to step in and stop a murder, or just let it slide? Do you suppose their decision was based on who were wearing badges and who weren't?

... because if I was beating a guy to death and an officer watched, wouldn't you think he ought to stop me? Of course, I'm no LEO so I wouldn't be wearing a badge and uniform. A LEO might think it's wrong for a non-LEO to murder someone and, therefore, step in.

 

[Mr. C]

T&Y
I can appreciate your last statement and am not butthurt but those six officers acted as a gang with badges. that is about the only difference i see. Other then that I'll just sit back and see how this all plays out.

 

[Mr. C]

:thumbsup thank you

How do the four officers who didn't "actually hit" the victim decide whether to step in and stop a murder, or just let it slide? Do you suppose their decision was based on who were wearing badges and who weren't?

... because if I was beating a guy to death and an officer watched, wouldn't you think he ought to stop me? Of course, I'm no LEO so I wouldn't be wearing a badge and uniform. A LEO might think it's wrong for a non-LEO to murder someone and, therefore, step in.

 

[Tom Brown]

... those six officers acted as a gang with badges.

Six gang bangers enter a store, two shoot the proprietors of the store and loot the till. All six leave.

Are all six guilty? I would think so.

Are all six guilty of the same thing? Definitely not.

The gang banger scenario isn't all that different from the police banger one but police have all sorts of immunity against prosecution so the outcome might be different.

In this scenario, if the four "non-involved" gang bangers were not convicted of a crime, would your opinion of them be different than your opinion of the average guy in the street?

If you want to be looked upon with respect, instead of viewed as an enemy, you pretty much need to not murder people or stand around and say nothing while your gang buddies do it.

 

[kilrtoy]

Another genius who knows more than everyone else

I'm not sure who, if anyone, here said they're guilty. Most/all of this thread has been about justice being served.

I'm curious about something. Have you heard ANYTHING at all that indicates the cops lives were threatened by this schizophrenic homeless man which could somehow justify them beating the life out of this man? Did he have a knife or gun? A weapon of any kind? What have you heard that would indicate the cops had to taser him and then (pulling latex gloves on and saying, "these fists are gonna fuck you up") beat him to death to "protect and serve" the community?

Just wondering...

I only know what the news media has put out there.... Another words we are hearing a very ANTI~POLICE STATEMENT(S) being made...

 

[kilrtoy]

I think the OC DA coming out and saying what he did speaks loudly as to the facts surrounding the case. From the beginning I have stayed neutral waiting to hear something from someone other than an emotionally upset father and YouTube video's. If the DA is willing to file 2nd degree murder on one cop and manslaughter on another you can bet your ass he has plenty of evidence to back it up.

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I recall recently the chief of police proclaiming while crying THEY CAUGHT THEIR MAN....... only to admit months later THEY GOT THE WRONG MAN...... and most everyone on here convicted the guy and wanted him dead...

 

[Tom Brown]

I recall recently the chief of police proclaiming while crying THEY CAUGHT THEIR MAN....... only to admit months later THEY GOT THE WRONG MAN...... and most everyone on here convicted the guy and wanted him dead...

Fair enough. I respect your point. We need to respect these individuals right to a fair trial.

... but being against a group of officers murdering a skitzoid is no more "anti-police" than being against gangland hits on non-gang members is "anti-gang". Maybe it's just being "anti-murder"?

It's like you hear someone wanting to string up a cop and you immediately play the "anti-cop" card. If a cop commits murder, break out the string. :thumbsup

What if we find out the cops who killed the guy are also black? Would those who want him prosecuted be more anti-black or anti-cop?

 

[t&y]

How do the four officers who didn't "actually hit" the victim decide whether to step in and stop a murder, or just let it slide? Do you suppose their decision was based on who were wearing badges and who weren't?

... because if I was beating a guy to death and an officer watched, wouldn't you think he ought to stop me? Of course, I'm no LEO so I wouldn't be wearing a badge and uniform. A LEO might think it's wrong for a non-LEO to murder someone and, therefore, step in.

It seems you are assuming they were all there watching it unfold from the get go. Here is how I heard it described from the DA. 1 or 2 of the officers are there initially. One officer is searching through a backpack, the other officer "Ramos" is detaining Thomas, putting on gloves, showing Thomas his fists, and saying something along the lines of "these fists are going to fuck you up". Ramos starts pounding on Thomas, Thomas reacts which appears from an outside perspective as him fighting with officer Ramos, and the rest of the group shows up to see their partner in a fight. They respond according to what they see, not what they are supposeded to telepathically know prior to arriving.

That's my point, If I'm responding to an officer involved in a fight I don't know every aspect of how that officer got there and what led up to the fight. If I see my partner struggling I'm going to help him subdue the suspect. I will be judged by law according to what I knew going in, what I saw, and how I reacted.

That being said, if the cops that arrived knew their partner was out of the legal realm and assited then they should be held just as accountable.

Can you show me where it factaully says all six cops where there from the very beginning? We all pretty much know that's how many were there at the end, but that's about it. And according to the guy who has been tasked with taking these cops to trial, not all 6 were there and not all of them are legally liable. Public perception is a whole other thing all together.

I recall recently the chief of police proclaiming while crying THEY CAUGHT THEIR MAN....... only to admit months later THEY GOT THE WRONG MAN...... and most everyone on here convicted the guy and wanted him dead...

I also recall that it was the cheif of police, not the head DA for the county, and I don't think he had 140+ witness statements, multiple video's, and actual recordings from the officers involved.

I hate it that there are our fellow LEO's out there that do really stupid shit because it is a direct reflection on all of us, but there is no denying it happens. I think Ramos got very carried away and drew all his partners into it. Have you ever had to pull one of your partners back from something? I have, luckily before they crossed the line.

Of course all this is based off of what the OC DA has said. There is a possiblity he is lying through his teeth to keep his job and simply prove a point

 

[Tom Brown]

It seems you are assuming they were all there watching it unfold from the get go. Here is how I heard it described from the DA. 1 or 2 of the officers are there initially. One officer is searching through a backpack, the other officer "Ramos" is detaining Thomas, putting on gloves, showing Thomas his fists, and saying something along the lines of "these fists are going to fuck you up". Ramos starts pounding on Thomas, Thomas reacts which appears from an outside perspective as him fighting with officer Ramos, and the rest of the group shows up to see their partner in a fight. They respond according to what they see, not what they are supposeded to telepathically know prior to arriving.

Thanks. :thumbsup

That's my point, If I'm responding to an officer involved in a fight I don't know every aspect of how that officer got there and what led up to the fight. If I see my partner struggling I'm going to help him subdue the suspect. I will be judged by law according to what I knew going in, what I saw, and how I reacted.

That being said, if the cops that arrived knew their partner was out of the legal realm and assited then they should be held just as accountable.

:thumbsup

I hate it that there are our fellow LEO's out there that do really stupid shit because it is a direct reflection on all of us....

It shouldn't be. Shame on us for judging LEOs as a whole, instead of as a group of individuals. That's no more objective than judging someone based on their race or religion.


On the other hand, the public assuming all officers as being guilty is no less objective than fellow officers assuming some or all officers being innocent. :hmm

 

[t&y]

On the other hand, the public assuming all officers as being guilty is no less objective than fellow officers assuming some or all officers being innocent. :hmm

True. That's why anybody actually determing guilt needs to view and evaluate all the evidence in a case instead of pieces. What we determine on here is merely opinions on the matter.

Here a good link to the OC DA giving his news conference yesterday where he lays out the key points in the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmCzI...ature=youtu.be Sorry link no worky..... See post #97 for good link


I think he might be leaving a door open when he talks about the statements made by Ramos as the specific point where it turned illegal. It wouldn't be too hard for a crafty Defense Attorney to paint those statements more as a threat of violence only to gain compliance and not a actual statement of intent. Who knows....

 

[Tom Brown]

Here's a little more video, for those like me who hadn't seen it.

"Go home or go to jail. I'm going to count to 5....."

Gotta say... I have zero respect for that officer. Zero.

[incorrect video removed]

 

[sdpm]

Cop told them to leave. They should have left when told.

 

[Tom Brown]

Cop told them to leave. They should have left when told.

Yeah. When you beat a man to death, it's a good idea to clear the scene of witnesses and video tapers.

Maybe they should have killed the guy with the camera too? Better safe than sorry. :thumbsup

 

[Yellowboat]

Cop told them to leave. They should have left when told.

I disagree with this, If they can legally be there, then they can be there, by thier choice. just talking in general.

If you need space, back people up and put up a police tape line.

 

[Tom Brown]

If you need space, back people up and put up a police tape line.

To be fair, the guy with the camera was too close and in their face. He needed to back up, however, prior to him getting in their face, Kelly Thomas had been tazed five times (according to that fat woman at the start of the video) and was literally being pummeled to death. It was brave of camera boy to inject himself into the scene but I'm not sure I would have tangled with a murderer. Good for him. We need more people like that to take back our cities from thugs such as this. Cop or not, give him a fair trial and, if he's found guilty, burn that mother fucker to ash.

 

[OutCole'd]

Cop told them to leave. They should have left when told.

?? So there are no witnesses to a murder? Come on. That video is disturbing. The cops were way out of line and if proven guilty by the courts, deserve the needle. America was built on civilians having RIGHTS!

 

[MMD]

To be fair, the guy with the camera was too close and in their face. He needed to back up, however, prior to him getting in their face, Kelly Thomas had been tazed five times (according to that fat woman at the start of the video) and was literally being pummeled to death. It was brave of camera boy to inject himself into the scene but I'm not sure I would have tangled with a murderer. Good for him. We need more people like that to take back our cities from thugs such as this. Cop or not, give him a fair trial and, if he's found guilty, burn that mother fucker to ash.

If this is the new-and-improved Brown, I'm liking it a lot! :thumbsup :champagne:

 

[Tom Brown]

On second thought, this Kelly Thomas was clearly way out of line the way he was blocking the cops fist with his face, once his arms were locked behind his back. It's a mockery of justice this officer is being charged. :thumbsdown

 

[sdpm]

OK, so what you guys are saying is when a police officer tells you to do something, do what you want instead? I'm not a cop and I wouldn't want to be one either. All I know is when he told people to back up, they should have backed up right then. When they were told to get in their cars and leave, that's what they should have done.

I'm not saying what these officers did was right by any means! But that's not for me to decide at this point.

 

[Tom Brown]

OK, so what you guys are saying is when a police officer tells you to do something, do what you want instead?

If you've just watched the officer tazer someone five times, lock his arms behind his back, and then beat him long after he is subverted.... then absolutely yes.

Would you have us march like lemmings to a slaughter? At some point, we have to take our cities back from thugs of all kinds.

 

[batterup]

I disagree with this, If they can legally be there, then they can be there, by thier choice. just talking in general.

If you need space, back people up and put up a police tape line.

I am sure next time they will call a time out with the guy resisting arrest and set up a perimeter for them to make the arrest in a civil manner.

 

[sdpm]

Sorry Tom, I don't see where he arms are locked behind his back. I see at 13 seconds to 16 seconds into that video first his arms and hands tucked under his chest and then his left hand come uot to cover his face when the officer starts hitting him there. I guess the tazer didn't work on him. Why? Shouldn't have that stopped him in his tracks? When his hands are tucked under his chest, how do you know he doesn't have a gun, knife or something else he is trying to go for? You don't know, I don't know. Neither of us were there in that situtation. It was a bad situtation and looked like it had the making to get alot worse. You see things one way , I see them another way and most likely that officer saw it a different way as well.

 

[work2ski]

It is important to note that the video in post #71 was NOT the Kelly Thomas beating. You guys are talking like it is.

 

[Tom Brown]

It is important to note that the video in post #71 was NOT the Kelly Thomas beating. You guys are talking like it is.

Hey... thanks for the comment. I thought it was. My apology. I did a youtube search when t&y's link was malformed.

... and sdpm, you see the arms behind the back in the video. I'm on a WebEx session right now so I can't spend much time on youtube right now.

 

[work2ski]

[video=youtube;8CLrUmciSg8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CLrUmciSg8[/video]

Here is the link to the actual video. It seems like most people posting on this don't know much about it.

#1 Anyone saying that "the dad is out looking for money after not taking care of his kid" is out of touch with reality and has obviously never been in a situation with a schizophrenic. I haven't myself, but can certainly sympathize with someone having a loved one not willing to accept help. Keep in mind that this was a 37 year old adult.

#2 Even giving the cops who showed up later the benefit of the doubt about not knowing how it started, It is really hard to believe that they didn't see that the force was excessive. The people at the bus stop certainly knew he was going to die.

These cops should be hanged for what they did!

 

[Baja Big Dog]

It is important to note that the video in post #71 was NOT the Kelly Thomas beating. You guys are talking like it is.

Correct...the only video I think is available to the public is the one showing nothing, you can hear him crying for dad...but it doesnt show any beat down....

 

[Tom Brown]

Here is the link to the actual video.

I don't know what happened but the link I posted was the wrong link. Thanks for mentioning that, w2s. I've removed the link.

I've seen the video you posted, but it was much longer. Nothing much happens in the less than 2 minutes of that clip. It doesn't even get to the part where the fat chick asks why they're tazering him again for the fifth time.

 

[work2ski]

I don't know what happened but the link I posted was the wrong link. Thanks for mentioning that, w2s. I've removed the link.

I've seen the video you posted, but it was much longer. Nothing much happens in the less than 2 minutes of that clip. It doesn't even get to the part where the fat chick asks why they're tazering him again for the fifth time.

Right! I noticed the same thing. Still looking for more video.

I don't think that there is a "good" video available. It is not like there were camera men standing around taping the beating. This is real life and the witness accounts are chilling...

 

[Furniture 4 Me]

the worst part is the guy was yelling for his dad the whole time, and the cops never reacted that there was a problem with the guy. they just beat him to death.
i had really good friend of mine reading it to me the other day while i was delievering some stuff to his place. it was and is a truely F-ed up deal. the father never wanted to get into a lawsuite or anything other than justice and people convicted and for them to step down.

 

[Leadfoot]

I have read everything posted in this thread. I rarely post comments but feel i should on this one. I have watched the videos and looked at the picture. The videos don't show much as far is I am concerned but the picture looks bad. I was a cop for 21 years and I don't think most people have any idea what it is like to arrest someone who doesn't want to be arrested. All cops are trained in pain compliance, when this doesn't work what do you do. You can't run away and leave criminals in the streets. Most of you watch MMA fights. You see how hard it is to gain a submission and how beat up some guys get, before they submit. imagine being in a fight with Randy Corture and you have to win. If you don't win then the crook continues to be on the loose to victimize people. In the case with schizophrenia they can be compliant and then go off. Even handcuffed it can be hard to control some people, you ever been kicked. I have had crooks that were in custody that did not fight yell for help, yelling for Dad or Mom is not uncommon. I will let the courts decide if there was any misconduct.

 

[work2ski]

[video=youtube;kYJi3lgXLBU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYJi3lgXLBU[/video]

[video=youtube;f_hivslQiE8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_hivslQiE8&feature=related[/video]

Chilling witness accounts...

 

[Tom Brown]

I will let the courts decide if there was any misconduct.

If I ever hear that you were pulled over by police and beaten to death, I'll try to keep an open mind. :thumbsup

If you were still an officer, I wouldn't have to worry about that but you're joe public now.

 

[Leadfoot]

I am not to worried about cops pulling me over and beating me to death. You act like thats all cops do is look for opportunities to beat people. If I get pulled over I will comply with the officer. As far as being joe public, I still have a badge and gun.

 

[Timmay]

I didn't hear one person in the video talk about Kelly's criminal record. He was a thief. I have no compassion for thieves. They are the scum of the earth. We pay taxes to the IRS...borderline thievery. We pay very inflated prices on everything we buy today because of thieves. I don't know how much but, I'm guessing add 20% onto everything we purchase.
If there was a death sentence for thieves, my life would be improved by having 20% more wealth.
Sad deal for Mr Kelly but, he was thief just as Rodney King was a piece of shit criminal and deserved the beating he got. Just my thoughts.

Now, on the other hand, I have seen completely innocent people get roughed up by cops as well as many of you probably have too. This is where I have lost a lot of respect for the boys in blue. Lately, I have observed many cops being assholes and unfortunately, I think this is where Mr Kelly's supporters are jumping on the bandwagon.

Do you even know anything about this case?
So he had an arrest record and deserves to be beaten to death because of it? Not clear what you are trying to ramble on about with the whole 20%thing. Did he even have an arrest record that you know of?

Here is some info for you to start with.....

Fullerton Police Department officers responded to a call of someone vandalizing cars near the Fullerton Transportation Center. While investigating, they encountered the shirtless and disheveled Thomas and attempted to search him. So they were there responding to a call and see a shirtless disheveled looking guy, can't have that in Fullerton!

Bandwagon? How is showing support for a man and his family that was beaten to death jumping on a bandwagon.

The officers then repeatedly shocked Thomas with Tasers, beat him with the butts of the Tasers and flashlights, and slammed him into the ground

Medical records show that bones in his face were broken and he choked on his own blood. The coroner concluded that compression of the thorax made it impossible for Thomas to breathe normally and deprived his brain of oxygen.

 

[Tom Brown]

You act like thats all cops do is look for opportunities to beat people.

No, I don't. That is a completely incorrect portrayal of my position here.

You think I'm completely clueless? You think I don't know about the adrenaline high LEOs get on when they're tracking down bad guys? You think I don't know about the dirt bags who resist arrest or would even hurt or kill officers, given the chance? You think I don't have any idea how many people lie to cops about anything and everything? You think I don't understand LEO's need to control any and all situations?

Now it's time for you to learn something. Person A beats person B to death. Person A owns that.

Kill someone and it isn't self defense, go to jail. It's not that hard to understand.

In this case, for various reasons, it wouldn't surprise me if this officer does not serve a substantial sentence for this. I look forward to following this as it evolves.

 

[Tom Brown]

As far as being joe public, I still have a badge and gun.

You're clear to lay the wood into these asshole civilians then. Have at it. :thumbsup

 

[t&y]

Do you even know anything about this case?
So he had an arrest record and deserves to be beaten to death because of it? Not clear what you are trying to ramble on about with the whole 20%thing. Did he even have an arrest record that you know of?

Here is some info for you to start with.....

Fullerton Police Department officers responded to a call of someone vandalizing cars near the Fullerton Transportation Center. While investigating, they encountered the shirtless and disheveled Thomas and attempted to search him. So they were there responding to a call and see a shirtless disheveled looking guy, can't have that in Fullerton!

Bandwagon? How is showing support for a man and his family that was beaten to death jumping on a bandwagon.

The officers then repeatedly shocked Thomas with Tasers, beat him with the butts of the Tasers and flashlights, and slammed him into the ground

Medical records show that bones in his face were broken and he choked on his own blood. The coroner concluded that compression of the thorax made it impossible for Thomas to breathe normally and deprived his brain of oxygen.

Pretty sure it was one officer using the taser and hitting him with it. From the way it sounds other than Wolf, Ramos, and Cincinilli (close enough) the other officers at the scene responded after the majority was done and assisted by means of control holds and handcuffing. Could be wrong, but from what I have read and heard that's the bulk of it.

Remember, the OC DA who has all the info, witness statements, officers mic'd voice recordings, and medical records is describing it that way.

I'll try the link again... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmCzIFmLL20&feature=youtu.be

 

[Leadfoot]

Well with 21 years and thousands of arrests, I never put wood to anybody. I am not against the use of batons but I personally never used one. I am not saying everything in this case was handled right but I am not going to pass judgement, I will let the judge and jury do that.

 

[mbrown2]

Anyone else notice the simiarlities in high profile murder victim dads...nice Porn Stache's...

Fred Goldman

Ron Thomas

 

[mbrown2]

The guy on the right looks like Sloth from the Goonies

BTW...He was shot six times in an on-duty attack in LA in the 90's...had only been on the job 2 weeks. Not condoning what he did only pointing out he lost it as a victim of a violent crime.

 

[work2ski]

BTW...He was shot six times in an on-duty attack in LA in the 90's...had only been on the job 2 weeks. Not condoning what he did only pointing out he lost it as a victim of a violent crime.

Don't forget to mention that it got a retirement package from LAPD...then went to work getting revenge on those violent bastards!!!