Found booze in my daughters car

[Mr. C]

I'm not one to usually air my family affairs on an open forum but i thought maybe someone else has gone through this and could give some insight on what worked for them.

In a nutshell my wife was cleaning out my daughters(almost 19) car yesterday and found a water bottle that was full of tequilla. Needless to say she is going to lose all driving privalages plus more. I originally wanted to smack her upside the head a few times for being so stupid, but decided to wait until tonight so the anger I have could settle down a little so i could have a rational(if that's possible) discussion about it.

She is a good kid and we have never had any trouble with her before with anything like this. I just know I don't want her or anyone else to hurt or killed by her bad choices.

I'm open to any type of classes, internet sites, anything that might help me get it through her head that this is not acceptable.

Any positive advice is greatly appreciated.

 

[Guest]

Smackin her in the head will solve nothing.....Removal of priveledges for a while seems to get their attention quickest and longest....Remain calm...explain that drinking,and or drinking and driving.....just will not be tolerated....Dust off the old 10 speed and tell her to have at it..

 

[Lue]

SHe's probably going to give you the common cop out of "it was my friend's". I'd proceed with what you're planning. I'd take a step further and get her "FOCKED UP" on tequila. A good hang over on that stuff should spoil the taste of it until she's of age.......age....shhhmage. Good old fashioned discipline right there. Good luck. :beer

 

[Mr. C]

I'm waiting for the line "it's my friends", but that won't fly since it was in her own little handbag, Have even thought of the get her drunk and make her suffer part. just don't know if that's the best way to get my point accross.


JBB,
that's why I'm waiting a day before talking to her, I don't know if i would've been able to stay calm last night. Nothing would have been accomplished if i'm just screaming at her.

 

[RiverDave]

Mr. C. I'm not a parent so I could only imagine..

But let me ask you a question?

At 19 years old were you drinking on occasion? I'm assuming it wasn't at home so you probably had alcohol in your car at some point or another as well?

If it were me (keep in mind this is an outside perspective from a man with no kids) I'd give her the old "It sucks that things aren't the way they used to be" talk.. More or less letting her know how incredibly focked she's gonna be if she gets caught with alcohol.. (Loss of license until 21, etc.. etc..)

Then get into the real hot and heavy drinking and driving talk..

If you want to make an impression take her to a Madd meeting.. Those focking lunatics will make an impression that a child would never forget.

That sad thing is the laws now days pretty much crucify anyone under 21 for anything to do with Alcohol. To be quite honest they'll crucify anyone over 21 as well if you break them.

The days of a sherriff telling you to park it, and giving you a ride home are long gone. Or in a kids case making them pour it out if they were on foot.

RD

 

[AZJD]

SHe's probably going to give you the common cop out of "it was my friend's". I'd proceed with what you're planning. I'd take a step further and get her "FOCKED UP" on tequila. A good hang over on that stuff should spoil the taste of it until she's of age.......age....shhhmage. Good old fashioned discipline right there. Good luck. :beer

Hell, I drank too much tequila when I was 18, and I still can't drink it today......

It is an unfortunate situation to be in Mr.C, but one that is happening all too often. Just be calm and show her you care. Rebellion is the main reason kids go do stupid stuff. Make sure her home life and relationship with you and her mom is fun and the air is always clear. Don't give her a reason to go seek approval from idot friends because she thinks her parents are ruining her life. It is a tough balance I have yet to have to be on the other side of,(my daughter is 7) but I was a kid not too long ago, and I can tel you the reasons I went and did stupid stuff.

Just a suggestion, and I know some parents on here do the same. Let her drink at home under your supervision. If it something she is going to do, you might aswell be there to supervise.

 

[AZJD]

Mr. C. I'm not a parent so I could only imagine..

But let me ask you a question?

At 19 years old were you drinking on occasion? I'm assuming it wasn't at home so you probably had alcohol in your car at some point or another as well?

If it were me (keep in mind this is an outside perspective from a man with no kids) I'd give her the old "It sucks that things aren't the way they used to be" talk.. More or less letting her know how incredibly focked she's gonna be if she gets caught with alcohol.. (Loss of license until 21, etc.. etc..)

Then get into the real hot and heavy drinking and driving talk..

If you want to make an impression take her to a Madd meeting.. Those focking lunatics will make an impression that a child would never forget.

That sad thing is the laws now days pretty much crucify anyone under 21 for anything to do with Alcohol. To be quite honest they'll crucify anyone over 21 as well if you break them.

The days of a sherriff telling you to park it, and giving you a ride home are long gone. Or in a kids case making them pour it out if they were on foot.

RD

Not to shoot down what you have to say dave because most of it is spot on, but.....

This is something that will create hostility and resentment in your kids eyes..... Maybe this as a final stab at saving their lives, but a 1st offense I would try the "mom and dad have been there too" speech.

Relate to her, under stand her and give her the benifit of the doubt.

 

[Mr. C]

Rd,

Yes I did, I will even say on more then just an occasion.
But now the shoe is on the other foot and I'm the parent, I have to look out for what is best for her and what could possible happen to someone else. she might hate me for awhile depending on what the consequences are, but at least she will be around to say she hates me.

The MADD meeting sounds like a good idea.

The outside perspective is what I'm looking for.

Thanks

 

[Yellowboat]

For sale sign on the car...


RD, yes at 19 I did drink, But I never had it in a car, nor drove after drinking. So I don't feel like a hypocrit saying that. Then again at 19 I was also in an apartment, not under my parents roof.

 

[brendellajet]

She is a good kid and we have never had any trouble with her before with anything like this.

Not doubting you, but this is just the first time she has been caught. She has likely been doing this for a year or more. We've all been that age and done stuff we shouldn't do.

I got caught leaving an herb pipe in my dad car once, I was too stoned to remember it. I told him it was my friends. Things is, it really was. He smashed it with a hammer right in front of me. Other than that he was pretty cool with it. You should drink her tequilla.

She is gonna drink, there is nothing you can do about it. Just beg her to call you if she or her friends need a ride. Free ride, no questions asked. You can take the car away, she will just get into someone elses car and do the same. Impress her with your understanding & compassion, you will actually get through to her that way.

 

[Mr. C]

In some ways i feel like a hypocrit, but i can get past that if it keeps her alive and or out of jail.

As far as the "For Sale" sign, I think if she doesn't see things the way i would like her to, It might just become her brothers who starts driving in about 4 months.

For sale sign on the car...


RD, yes at 19 I did drink, But I never had it in a car, nor drove after drinking. So I don't feel like a hypocrit saying that. Then again at 19 I was also in an apartment, not under my parents roof.

 

[Mr. C]

I agree(know) this has probably happened before. Her mom and i have always said if you go out with friends and they or you drink to call us and we will pick you up, doesn't matter what time, just that we want you home safe.

Not doubting you, but this is just the first time she has been caught. She has likely been doing this for a year or more. We've all been that age and done stuff we shouldn't do.

I got caught leaving an herb pipe in my dad car once, I was too stoned to remember it. I told him it was my friends. Things is, it really was. He smashed it with a hammer right in front of me. Other than that he was pretty cool with it. You should drink her tequilla.

She is gonna drink, there is nothing you can do about it. Just beg her to call you if she or her friends need a ride. Free ride, no questions asked. You can take the car away, she will just get into someone elses car and do the same. Impress her with your understanding & compassion, you will actually get through to her that way.

 

[snake321]

For sale sign on the car...


RD, yes at 19 I did drink, But I never had it in a car, nor drove after drinking. So I don't feel like a hypocrit saying that. Then again at 19 I was also in an apartment, not under my parents roof.[/QUOTE

Selling the car is the deal. There's nothing like saying -you blew it....

 

[lebel409]

Drain the bottle and fill it back up with castor oil.

At the bottom of the bag leave a note..."we found the tequila and thought that you should be drinking something a little more healthy."

She'll be pissed beyond reason that you've "violated" her space...and probably won't be able to say anything.

Then after you've got HER good and mad, sit her down...last warning...not the first.

 

[Yellowboat]

In some ways i feel like a hypocrit, but i can get past that if it keeps her alive and or out of jail.

As far as the "For Sale" sign, I think if she doesn't see things the way i would like her to, It might just become her brothers who starts driving in about 4 months.

See what puts it over the line for me is, she tried to hide it by putting it in a diffrent bottle. If I had just found a unopend bottle, I would been awhole diffrent story. Even a half empty bottle would have gotton her alot less.

 

[boatnam2]

Tough call ,are you more pissed she may be drinking or that she may have drank and drove?

 

[Racey]

AZJD and RD have the best advice here, this is the best way to get the message across to someone of that age, she is 19 so at least she is a legal adult, that means if she gets busted it's big boy (well girl) jail, not the officer calling mommy and daddy to come pick her up.

I'm sure many of us on the boards were drinking at much younger ages, i certainly did, my parents taught me enough for me to understand what was responsible behavior in all situtations, Hopefully you have enough confidence in her that she knows the same as well. You aren't going to stop her from drinking, period, all you can do is guide her into making wise choices about it.

 

[djunkie]

Mr. C. I'm not a parent so I could only imagine..

But let me ask you a question?

At 19 years old were you drinking on occasion? I'm assuming it wasn't at home so you probably had alcohol in your car at some point or another as well?

If it were me (keep in mind this is an outside perspective from a man with no kids) I'd give her the old "It sucks that things aren't the way they used to be" talk.. More or less letting her know how incredibly focked she's gonna be if she gets caught with alcohol.. (Loss of license until 21, etc.. etc..)

Then get into the real hot and heavy drinking and driving talk..

If you want to make an impression take her to a Madd meeting.. Those focking lunatics will make an impression that a child would never forget.

That sad thing is the laws now days pretty much crucify anyone under 21 for anything to do with Alcohol. To be quite honest they'll crucify anyone over 21 as well if you break them.

The days of a sherriff telling you to park it, and giving you a ride home are long gone. Or in a kids case making them pour it out if they were on foot.

RD

Good advice. If I was in this situation it would be hard to be too mad since I was drinking before I was 16. Be firm though and let her know the consequences that could come with it.
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EASY VAPE DIGITAL

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

Well taking the car from a 19 year old is a little excessive in my opinion. I understand way you would do so, but seriously do you & your wife want to become chauffeurs again?

Here are my thoughts on the subject.

Get her piss drunk not only on tequila, but a little bit of everything!

Then get her ass up at the crack of dawn, and make her clean up after herself. Nothing like the smell of your puke & cleaning products while hungover.

Its a little expensive, but look into getting an ignition lock installed oh her car. One of those devices that the courts make repeat DUI offenders install, where they have to blow into the, making sure there is no alcohol in their system in order to start the car.

Another thing I'd look into is a tracking device on her car. The cost effective ones only allow you to see where she's been.

Like my parents told me (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) if you dont like our rules then you can live else where! But all your stuff that we paid for stays here!

Good Luck with her!

 

[Cole Trickle]

This dosen't mean she was drinking and driving. Chances are her or one of her friends jacked a little booze out of a parents tequila handle and filled up a water bottle for a future party.

We have all been there and done it. With that being said I wouldn't go rambo on a 19 y/o for drinking responsibly...At 19 I had been drinking for more than a couple years..lol If she admits to driving and drinking she would be up shit creek.

 

[RiverDave]

For sale sign on the car...


RD, yes at 19 I did drink, But I never had it in a car, nor drove after drinking. So I don't feel like a hypocrit saying that. Then again at 19 I was also in an apartment, not under my parents roof.

consider this a dumb question.. How'd ya get the booze to the apartment?

RD

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

This dosen't mean she was drinking and driving. Chances are her or one of her friends jacked a little booze out of a parents tequila handle and filled up a water bottle for a future party.

We have all been there and done it. With that being said I wouldn't go rambo on a 19 y/o for drinking responsibly...At 19 I had been drinking for more than a couple years..lol If she admits to driving and drinking she would be up shit creek.

We used to sit out on the balcony of the fraternity house and watch people getting popped for MIPs and Open Containers for hours during the weekend nights. All because they had poured the a dark or brightly colored booze in wrong containers.

Water is clear as are most water bottles, so common senesce would tell you not to put colored beverages in a water bottle. Vodka and Gin - water bottles

Tequila, Rum (spiced & dark only), Whiskeys are best disguised in Iced Tea bottles, or coke bottles.

Mixed drinks that are colored - Fruit Juice, Gatorade, & PowerAde Bottles.

 

[brewzed]

This water bottle thing must be the new thing with the kids. My son (17) took a water bottle full of vodka to school and got caught with it. Needless to say, I took all the clear booze out of the house. Kind of scary she had it in her car.

 

[Fourspeednup]

First off, way to go mom for cleaning the car for her, that's pretty cool

Can't give you the parent's perspective....I hope....but if you treat this like the end of the world (ie. AA meeting, selling the car, etc) it may push her to some serious rebellion and that really isn't what we're looking for. From your post it sounds like your daughter is pretty responsible and this was just an isolated F-up. I'd make it very clear that she cashed in her freeby card on this one and if it had been a cop that had found it, she would have a much bigger problem. You could take this as an opportunity to open up a line of communication with her. If she already has her head on straight she'll learn from it without being resentful.

--I'm assuming there was just some booze in the car and she wasn't DUI

 

[Mr. C]

This got me thinking about the club she went to and if they were gonna try and sneak it in, then chickened out, or they had more then one bottle.
I'm just mad all they way around, disapointed actually

See what puts it over the line for me is, she tried to hide it by putting it in a diffrent bottle. If I had just found a unopend bottle, I would been awhole diffrent story. Even a half empty bottle would have gotton her alot less.

 

[No Butt No Putt]

Mr. C
Dont take her to the Madd meeting. Sit her down and explain to her in great detail what she is looking at if she gets caught. Sorry not if, WHEN she gets caught.

My parents never condoned drinking and driving. But they always told me that if me and my friends wanted to drink, to do it at their house (my parents) with them home, and they would take anyone that needed to go home, home.

the fact of the matter is, she is going to drink no matter what you say or tell or yell at her. Thats just being a kid. But why not give her and her girlfriends a safe place like home to drink.

 

[Mr. C]

Drank and drove, all she has to do is pick up a phone.

Tough call ,are you more pissed she may be drinking or that she may have drank and drove?

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

Drank and drove, all she has to do is pick up a phone.

Now thats a whole different ball game than just finding booze in her car!

 

[Riodog]

ALRIGHT ALREADY!!!

I confess. It was mine and I hid it there. NOW leave that tasty lil morsel, err I mean your daughter alone. I'll take the blame and feel it's only right if I counsel her on the hazards of drinking and driving. When she gets home tonight just send her on over to my place and I promise she'll get a tongue lashing she'll never forget. Oh yeah, just so she knows that hang-overs are no fun->I'll probably get her all likkered up real good so don't expect her home til tomorrow sometime. You know 8 hours from bottle to throttle, just to be safe.

Just tryin to help,
Rio

 

[boatnam2]

Drank and drove, all she has to do is pick up a phone.

yea , im with you i would pull the keys, just not a good thing to learn to do.Maybe take her car away for awhile problem is if she drinks and drives her freinds probaly do also. My daughter wont even get decent grades to get a car so i guess im lucky for now.good luck

 

[Mr. C]

Mom is what we call TYPE A+ personality, can't stand stuff when its dirty.

Well there is no way she is getting a freebie on this,
We will sit down tonight and get her side of story. We do have pretty good comminication with her, she lets us in on alot of things other friends are going through.

Its difficult to deside on how hard to come down her

First off, way to go mom for cleaning the car for her, that's pretty cool

Can't give you the parent's perspective....I hope....but if you treat this like the end of the world (ie. AA meeting, selling the car, etc) it may push her to some serious rebellion and that really isn't what we're looking for. From your post it sounds like your daughter is pretty responsible and this was just an isolated F-up. I'd make it very clear that she cashed in her freeby card on this one and if it had been a cop that had found it, she would have a much bigger problem. You could take this as an opportunity to open up a line of communication with her. If she already has her head on straight she'll learn from it without being resentful.

--I'm assuming there was just some booze in the car and she wasn't DUI

 

[KING BEE]

AZJD and RD have the best advice here, this is the best way to get the message across to someone of that age, she is 19 so at least she is a legal adult, that means if she gets busted it's big boy (well girl) jail, not the officer calling mommy and daddy to come pick her up.

I'm sure many of us on the boards were drinking at much younger ages, i certainly did, my parents taught me enough for me to understand what was responsible behavior in all situtations, Hopefully you have enough confidence in her that she knows the same as well. You aren't going to stop her from drinking, period, all you can do is guide her into making wise choices about it.

Ditto!!!!!

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

ALRIGHT ALREADY!!!

I confess. It was mine and I hid it there. NOW leave that tasty lil morsel, err I mean your daughter alone. I'll take the blame and feel it's only right if I counsel her on the hazards of drinking and driving. When she gets home tonight just send her on over to my place and I promise she'll get a tongue lashing she'll never forget. Oh yeah, just so she knows that hang-overs are no fun->I'll probably get her all likkered up real good so don't expect her home til tomorrow sometime. You know 8 hours from bottle to throttle, just to be safe.

Just tryin to help,
Rio

giving alcohol to minors is against the law, and yes I've done it too


:beer

 

[Yellowboat]

consider this a dumb question.. How'd ya get the booze to the apartment?

RD

room mate was 23

 

[Mr. C]

And there you have it, someone finally manned up, my problem is solved.

Thanks Riodog

ALRIGHT ALREADY!!!

I confess. It was mine and I hid it there. NOW leave that tasty lil morsel, err I mean your daughter alone. I'll take the blame and feel it's only right if I counsel her on the hazards of drinking and driving. When she gets home tonight just send her on over to my place and I promise she'll get a tongue lashing she'll never forget. Oh yeah, just so she knows that hang-overs are no fun->I'll probably get her all likkered up real good so don't expect her home til tomorrow sometime. You know 8 hours from bottle to throttle, just to be safe.

Just tryin to help,
Rio

 

[boatnam2]

being a legal adult is one thing , but im just guessing now but i would dare to say you paid for the car and its insured by you.. if so its gets way more serious then a call to mommy and daddy if something happens.You could lose everything.

 

[Mr. C]

Exactly,
Cars in my name, i pay the insurance, from what i understand since she still lives at home that goes against me as well.

being a legal adult is one thing , but im just guessing now but i would dare to say you paid for the car and its insured by you.. if so its gets way more serious then a call to mommy and daddy if something happens.You could lose everything.

 

[Wombat]

SHe's probably going to give you the common cop out of "it was my friend's". I'd proceed with what you're planning. I'd take a step further and get her "FOCKED UP" on tequila. A good hang over on that stuff should spoil the taste of it until she's of age.......age....shhhmage. Good old fashioned discipline right there. Good luck. :beer

What Lue says is right good old fashioned discipline.

When is was a 19 l went out with a group of friends and got seriously plastered and l drove home stopping only to throw up on the road.:beer

Needless to say this was about 30 years ago before breath tests and speed traps.

When l got home my Father hit the roof big time :swear( and rightly so) he then said as part of the punishment (he also took my keys away as well) he was going to take me the next Friday night to the local club to learn about how to pace and not mix your drinks sounded alright to me, little did l know he had a hidden agenda.

We were having a great time as a Father and son knocking back some brewskis taking about anything and everything, But l was starting to get seriously pissed again. l was becoming legless when the local Police Sargent came up behind me (he was a friend of my Fathers) and asked me to join him outside in the Police car.

He did a breath test on me and it read 2.01 he then said he was taking me for a ride (l thought he was going to beat the shit out of me) , this was to a accident that had just happened 2 miles away.

l have to say it was the most spine chilling experience to this day l have ever had, it wasn't a fatal ( thank God) but alot of blood on the scene ALL CAUSED BY A DRUNK DRIVER who ran a light.

The old Sargent looked me in the eye (after l stopped throwing up) and said " here is your lifes lesson son, learn from what you see and remember it."


To this day l have never drank and driven a car or for that matter anything, again.

 

[Scott E]

Exactly,
Cars in my name, i pay the insurance, from what i understand since she still lives at home that goes against me as well.

Yes, put simply and bluntly...you will be fucked if anything happens...what you own will be at risk in the event of a tragic situation...

 

[BoatCop]

She is an adult and responsible for herself.

DO NOT get her drunk, as some have suggested. That would only expose YOU to all kinds of legal and criminal issues.

It's your car, right? Take the keys and put her on the hoof until she gets out and gets her own wheels, her own registration and her own insurance. PERIOD!

It will help her grow up and accept responsibility, and it will show her younger siblings that you aren't going to take any BS from them. She will learn by experience and they will learn by example.

And while we're on the subject of example, you have to make sure that you and your wife NEVER drive after drinking. That will reinforce your position and keep you from looking like a hypocrite.

 

[Riverratrob]

I would say a simple discussion on the dangers of drunk driving ,if she gives you the yeah yeah treatment like ya got me ,it wont happen again additude you could do what my buddy did to his kid, he called the corner and asked if he could take his kid to view a drunk driving related autopsy.Scared his kid striaght into calling him when he was to drunk to drive ,belive it or not his kid thanked him for opening up his eyes

 

[Ratso]

She is an adult and responsible for herself.

DO NOT get her drunk, as some have suggested. That would only expose YOU to all kinds of legal and criminal issues.

It's your car, right? Take the keys and put her on the hoof until she gets out and gets her own wheels, her own registration and her own insurance. PERIOD!

It will help her grow up and accept responsibility, and it will show her younger siblings that you aren't going to take any BS from them. She will learn by experience and they will learn by example.

And while we're on the subject of example, you have to make sure that you and your wife NEVER drive after drinking. That will reinforce your position and keep you from looking like a hypocrite.

Although drinking age for me was 18 all those years ago, and I think the 21 year old law is bullshit, this is good advice. It's not just about her drinking. Things are much different today... and being sued is no fun.

 

[Baja Big Dog]

This is your child, you didnt ask how to conceive her, you did pretty well on your own, dont ask us how to punish her.

First off what example does she have to live by??? Do her parents drink? Do they drink and drive? (not drunk, but after ANY drinking).

No matter how yo handle it, hug her before you start the conversation!!!

 

[BoatCop]

He did a breath test on me and it read 2.01 he then said he was taking me for a ride (l thought he was going to beat the shit out of me) , this was to a accident that had just happened 2 miles away.

You would have been dead 5 times over. Coma sets in at .40.

 

[Cole Trickle]

She is an adult and responsible for herself.

DO NOT get her drunk, as some have suggested. That would only expose YOU to all kinds of legal and criminal issues.

It's your car, right? Take the keys and put her on the hoof until she gets out and gets her own wheels, her own registration and her own insurance. PERIOD!

It will help her grow up and accept responsibility, and it will show her younger siblings that you aren't going to take any BS from them. She will learn by experience and they will learn by example.

And while we're on the subject of example, you have to make sure that you and your wife NEVER drive after drinking. That will reinforce your position and keep you from looking like a hypocrite.

My guess would be that she is out of college and the house within 6 months if these are the consequenses.

Noway for a college student to buy a car and pay all those bills working a part time gig. She will start working full time and then be trapped by the extra $$$ and payments.

My parents never bought me a car paid insurance or gave me spending $. I was told I had to pay rent at 20 y/o along with my truck/insurance/etc so I moved out and never completed school. I tried a part time load for a year and it sucked working 8-6 and then driving to school for a 7-10 class 3-4 nights a week.

I still don't understand? Was she drinking and driving?:hmm:swear

 

[Ratso]

You would have been dead 5 times over. Coma sets in at .40.

lol... I hear people do that all the time...:hmm
1.0 or 1.5 or .8

 

[Ratso]

My guess would be that she is out of college and the house within 6 months if these are the consequenses.

Noway for a college student to buy a car and pay all those bills working a part time gig. She will start working full time and then be trapped by the extra $$$ and payments.

My parents never bought me a car paid insurance or gave me spending $. I was told I had to pay rent at 20 y/o along with my truck/insurance/etc so I moved out and never completed school. I tried a part time load for a year and it sucked working 8-6 and then driving to school for a 7-10 class 3-4 nights a week.

I still don't understand? Was she drinking and driving?:hmm:swear

Well crap... then you gotta throw that out on the table...

 

[Topless]

This is such a touchy subject because most of us did drink before we were 21. Like Ratso said, legal age was 18 in Texas then so we started as freshmen in HS since alcohol was at every party because the seniors would bring it. It was also legal to drink and drive there too. The penalties now are much much higher than they were back. Good luck to you.

 

[DeltaSigBoater]

This is such a touchy subject because most of us did drink before we were 21. Like Ratso said, legal age was 18 in Texas then so we started as freshmen in HS since alcohol was at every party because the seniors would bring it. It was also legal to drink and drive there too. The penalties now are much much higher than they were back. Good luck to you.

Damn National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 :swear

 

[brendellajet]

Noway for a college student to buy a car and pay all those bills working a part time gig. She will start working full time and then be trapped by the extra $$$ and payments.

Sorry bud, Ill call BS on this. If you were serious about going to school you would have done it. I know several people (including myself) who worked and put themselves through school with no help from parents.

Student Loans are available to just about everyone.