Ford 7.3L Gas coming in 2020

[DLow]

For a work van that tends to have a lot of weight in it they just dont seem to have the balls to get outta their own way.

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IDK. Our eco boost has 400ftlb tq. It seems to move really well, and can pass like a mofo at about 60. Have you spent much time in one? This thing will run circles around our 3500 express with the 6.0 LQ9.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

IDK. Our eco boost has 400ftlb tq. It seems to move really well, and can pass like a mofo at about 60. Have you spent much time in one? This thing will run circles around our 3500 express with the 6.0 LQ9.

Never drove one with an ecoboost. It was a fleet van and like so many fleet vehicles, they opted for the smaller engines. Just about the entire fleet of them had soe,pretty substantial electrical issues as well. Like Found On Road Dead electrical issues.

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[SummitKarl]

Be still my beating heart. Too bad Dodge was forced to destroy their BB tooling in the 8os as a condition for taking their bailout.

that's why they bought jeep, to get the AMC 304/360/401 tooling which became the magnum motors

 

[mash on it]

Not everyone needs a peterbuilt to tow a 19' Miller jet bote that weighs 2,000 lbs. Lol

Why not? Not just anybody can run a 5 n 4...

Oh, and it's Peterbilt...

Dan'l

 

[Sleek-Jet]

that's why they bought jeep, to get the AMC 304/360/401 tooling which became the magnum motors

Even if the story is true about Chrysler having to "destroy" the 440 tooling (which it isn't in anything I can find), why would they need to buy AMC to get V8's? They still were putting 318s and 360s in their trucks and even a few full size cars.

It is my understanding that the 440 was so limited by emissions standards than the smaller V8 could out perform it easily and so Chrylser simply stopped making the engines for production vehicles. Until computer engine controls and reliable fuel injection caught up, putting a turbo-diesel in a truck was the easiest way to get more performance, since the emissions standards were far more lenient, thus the Dodge Cummins light-duty truck.

 

[TITTIES AND BEER]

7.3=460 ?

 

[SHOCKtheMONKEY]

Google says 444.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Of course this was pre internet, but I read it in several magazines/articles detailing the loans and Iococca around that time. My father was also employed by Dodge corp until well into my adulthood.

78 was the last official year, but I have seen a couple '79 coach chassis with a 440.

Brian

Even if the story is true about Chrysler having to "destroy" the 440 tooling (which it isn't in anything I can find), why would they need to buy AMC to get V8's? They still were putting 318s and 360s in their trucks and even a few full size cars.

It is my understanding that the 440 was so limited by emissions standards than the smaller V8 could out perform it easily and so Chrylser simply stopped making the engines for production vehicles. Until computer engine controls and reliable fuel injection caught up, putting a turbo-diesel in a truck was the easiest way to get more performance, since the emissions standards were far more lenient, thus the Dodge Cummins light-duty truck.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I think it is heavily implied when the story is told. Pulling my old copy of Iacooca's autobiography off the shelf, even he never says the gov't made Chrysler stop selling any products as a condition of the loan guarantee.

One of the factors in Chrysler's problems was meeting emission standards. He lists the conditions they had to meet for the loans, and one was selling off $300 million in assets. Perhaps that's where the 440 engine and tooling went, and it has gotten turned into, "the gov'ment made me do it!"

 

[wsuwrhr]

I don't think Iacocca wanted to disparage anyone. I am pretty sure he never had much bad to say, if ever.

The guy was a badass.

Sending the tooling to a scrapper and getting money for it would be considered "selling", Yes?

Brian

I think it is heavily implied when the story is told. Pulling my old copy of Iacooca's autobiography off the shelf, even he never says the gov't made Chrysler stop selling any products as a condition of the loan guarantee.

One of the factors in Chrysler's problems was meeting emission standards. He lists the conditions they had to meet for the loans, and one was selling off $300 million in assets. Perhaps that's where the 440 engine and tooling went, and it has gotten turned into, "the gov'ment made me do it!"

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Selling as a business decision, yes, selling because Uncle Sam said so, no.

If '78 was the last model year for the engine, that puts the decision to stop production in early '78 or '77 I would imagine, even before Iaccoca was hired. The loans weren't approved until late in '79.

As a side note, chapter 18 in the book is titled "Making America Great Again". It's a good book, pick up a copy off of Amazon.

 

[RCDave]

Why not? Not just anybody can run a 5 n 4...

Oh, and it's Peterbilt...

Dan'l

Certainly there is nothing wrong with too much tow rating.

Lots of tools will turn the bolt.

 

[wsuwrhr]

My dad is saying I am wrong, motors were around until 80 in trucks and motorhomes.

Selling as a business decision, yes, selling because Uncle Sam said so, no.

If '78 was the last model year for the engine, that puts the decision to stop production in early '78 or '77 I would imagine, even before Iaccoca was hired. The loans weren't approved until late in '79.

As a side note, chapter 18 in the book is titled "Making America Great Again". It's a good book, pick up a copy off of Amazon.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Already have it, sir. I figured that was a given.

Selling as a business decision, yes, selling because Uncle Sam said so, no.

If '78 was the last model year for the engine, that puts the decision to stop production in early '78 or '77 I would imagine, even before Iaccoca was hired. The loans weren't approved until late in '79.

As a side note, chapter 18 in the book is titled "Making America Great Again". It's a good book, pick up a copy off of Amazon.

 

[wsuwrhr]

He is saying the tooling scrapped in 80 and the leftovers went to HD chassis and motorhomes into the 81 model year.

Selling as a business decision, yes, selling because Uncle Sam said so, no.

If '78 was the last model year for the engine, that puts the decision to stop production in early '78 or '77 I would imagine, even before Iaccoca was hired. The loans weren't approved until late in '79.

As a side note, chapter 18 in the book is titled "Making America Great Again". It's a good book, pick up a copy off of Amazon.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Looking around this morning, emissions were squeezing the motors for sure, and they may have already decided it wasn't viable any longer and perhaps used the engine family as leverage.

454 and 460 continued well on though, it appears Dodge was running out of money anyway and just didn't do the homework to make it work.

Brian

Selling as a business decision, yes, selling because Uncle Sam said so, no.

If '78 was the last model year for the engine, that puts the decision to stop production in early '78 or '77 I would imagine, even before Iaccoca was hired. The loans weren't approved until late in '79.

As a side note, chapter 18 in the book is titled "Making America Great Again". It's a good book, pick up a copy off of Amazon.

 

[4Waters]

7.3=460 ?

460 is a 7.5l, 454 is a 7.4l

 

[wsuwrhr]

I don't know anything about that. Dodge already had 318/360 "magnum" small blocks.

I seem to recall the v-10 was developed off one of the two platforms.

that's why they bought jeep, to get the AMC 304/360/401 tooling which became the magnum motors

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Looking around this morning, emissions were squeezing the motors for sure, and they may have already decided it wasn't viable any longer and perhaps used the engine family as leverage.

454 and 460 continued well on though, it appears Dodge was running out of money anyway and just didn't do the homework to make it work.

Brian

Those two engines certainly weren't anything to right home about in the 80's and 90's. I had an 89 F250 with a 460 in it. My Taurus made more HP. I just had to have the big block Ford, but I would have been better off with a 351. The only advantage to that engine in that truck is it came with all the heavy oil and transmission coolers stock.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Yeap. Anemic 180HP?

Those two engines certainly weren't anything to right home about in the 80's and 90's. I had an 89 F250 with a 460 in it. My Taurus made more HP. I just had to have the big block Ford, but I would have been better off with a 351. The only advantage to that engine in that truck is it came with all the heavy oil and transmission coolers stock.

 

[4Waters]

Yeap. Anemic 180HP?

The 460 in 89 was 225hp 390lbft torque the diesel was upgraded from the 6.9l to 7.3l in 89 and that was 180hp 345lbft torque

 

[wsuwrhr]

I think the short lived 454SS truck was 180hp.

Kudos for trying, but is was more cool than go.

Those two engines certainly weren't anything to right home about in the 80's and 90's. I had an 89 F250 with a 460 in it. My Taurus made more HP. I just had to have the big block Ford, but I would have been better off with a 351. The only advantage to that engine in that truck is it came with all the heavy oil and transmission coolers stock.

 

[4Waters]

I think the short lived 454SS truck was 180hp.

Kudos for trying, but is was more cool than go.

I think it was 250hp

Edit: 255hp 405lbft the lightning was 240hp 340lbft

 

[Hullbilly]

I’m teally looking forward to see what this new motor rolls off the floor laying down. I’m betting on a straight up beast.....And then once the aftermarket catches on and we have a little forced induction available. Look out

 

[wsuwrhr]

2000 hp @30psi.

I’m teally looking forward to see what this new motor rolls off the floor laying down. I’m betting on a straight up beast.....And then once the aftermarket catches on and we have a little forced induction available. Look out

 

[wsuwrhr]

It has a 115mm, 4.52 bore spacing so it must be all new stuff. The 460 has 4.9 bore space which is why the Fords were the first into the stratocubesphere in a "factory" block.

Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

Cylinder head is a trip. I wish I could find a picture of the combustion chamber.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Engine cutaway, at least it has the correct spark plug engagement.

 

[chvynhra]

The cut away appears to be a SOHC, but the head is not?.. Why cant they put more freaking exhaust manifold bolts to stop the inevitable leaks!

 

[wsuwrhr]

The cut away appears to be a SOHC, but the head is not?.. Why cant they put more freaking exhaust manifold bolts to stop the inevitable leaks!

More bolts, more complicated tooling, more time to manufacture.

 

[4Waters]

The cut away appears to be a SOHC, but the head is not?.. Why cant they put more freaking exhaust manifold bolts to stop the inevitable leaks!

Where is the cam?

 

[CLdrinker]

More bolts, more complicated tooling, more time to manufacture.

= better product.

 

[wsuwrhr]

= better product.

Good grief, of course, so what?

More money.

It is called "Economy of scale."

People will buy the trucks whether they have exhaust leaks or not.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Like I said, the head is a trip.

The cut away appears to be a SOHC, but the head is not?..

Where is the cam?

 

[CLdrinker]

Good grief, of course, so what?

More money.

It is called "Economy of scale."

People will buy the trucks whether they have exhaust leaks or not.

I’d rather pay more to have it right.

No way in hell im buying one if exhaust leaks become an issue.

 

[wsuwrhr]

So would the minority of people. Sad thing is, the majority of peeps trade the vehicles in long before it ever becomes an issue.

With all due respect, sir...looks like they will see 499,000 units instead of 500,000. Bummer. Your sale will prolly shut down the whole production line. Insert eye roll here.

I’d rather pay more to have it right.

No way in hell im buying one if exhaust leaks become an issue.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Some will even pay more for American made goods, however, we are stuck with chinese shit in many sectors, price be damned.

I’d rather pay more to have it right.

No way in hell im buying one if exhaust leaks become an issue.

 

[CLdrinker]

So would the minority of people. Sad thing is, the majority of peeps trade the vehicles in long before it ever becomes an issue.

With all due respect, sir...looks like they will see 499,000 units instead of 500,000. Bummer. Your sale will prolly shut down the whole production line. Insert eye roll here.

With all due respect, 500,000-1=499,999.

 

[wsuwrhr]

With all due respect, 500,000-1=499,999.

Yea, give or take you and the 999 other peeps who think the same as you....either way...Ford Duly Noted yours and the others objection, and laughed their collective ass off. Just saying.

 

[CLdrinker]

Yea, give or take you and the 999 other peeps who think the same as you....either way...Ford Duly Noted yours and the others objection, and laughed their collective ass off. Just saying.

I Find it odd that someone in your profession would so highly support the manufacturer of half assed products.

Noted...

 

[wsuwrhr]

Doooooood, support?

W.T.F. are you talking about?

You HAVE to be kidding, with all due respect......you are fuckin delusional and arguing with reality.

Do you think Ford gives give two shits what we think?

How many heads did they send out on the v10 with four threads holding in a SPARK PLUG? A years worth? Two years worth? Do you know the production numbers?

99% of the people who buy the trucks wont keep them past the 5 year mark, after that, it is largely out of warranty and someone elses problem.

Brian

I Find it odd that someone in your profession would so highly support the manufacturer of half assed products.

Noted...

 

[CLdrinker]

Doooooood, support?

W.T.F. are you talking about?

You HAVE to be kidding, with all due respect......you are fuckin delusional and arguing with reality.

Do you think Ford gives give two shits what we think?

How many heads did they send out on the v10 with four threads holding in a SPARK PLUG? A years worth? Two years worth? Do you know the production numbers?

99% of the people who buy the trucks wont keep them past the 5 year mark, after that, it is largely out of warranty and someone elses problem.

Brian

I’m sure Ford doesn’t care about we think.

I’m glad you brought up the spark plug issue. Also the 6.0 and 6.4 issues.
This is why in my opinion they should make sure they put out a quality engine.
The 6.7 is helping bring back buyers a quality gas option would further that.

I may just have to go American made and buy a gas guzzling Tundra.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I only used it to illustrate what Ford thinks about your grievances with them.

Again, Most people keep them 5 years and after that, sell/trade them in. They are either flawless during that time, and if not, under warranty.

Good luck with that POS, too.

Plenty of issues there, as well.

I’m sure Ford doesn’t care about we think.

I’m glad you brought up the spark plug issue. Also the 6.0 and 6.4 issues.
This is why in my opinion they should make sure they put out a quality engine.
The 6.7 is helping bring back buyers a quality gas option would further that.

I may just have to go American made and buy a gas guzzling Tundra.

 

[pwerwagn]

that's why they bought jeep, to get the AMC 304/360/401 tooling which became the magnum motors

You can swap so many parts between the pre-magnum LA motors and the magnum motors, that I seriously doubt that. Same bellhousing bolt pattern, same exh manifold pattern, the timing chains swap, you can interchange valve covers, the distributor swaps ( you can use an LA distributor to build a carb'd magnum), etc. I've owned quite a few LA/magnum motors and swapped a fair amount of parts. The starters even interchange.

I *believe* that the cams even swap, but you have to use some sort of kit. And if you go backwards (magnum cam in LA block), you wont have a way to run a mech fuel pump if I recall right.

I'd like to see this new 7.3 V8, in an F650/750 Chassis, so the RV industry can build a Super C motorhome off of it.

Oh, and Brian, I think you are right. I believe the last B/RB blocks were built in 78/79, but I think the bigger trucks used up what was left over. My grandpa had an 80 or 81 motorhome with a 440 in it. Maybe it was a GVW thing? I have never seen a truck past 78 with a 440, even a macho, but I've read of people having 79/80 1 tons with the 440. Who knows!

--Jeff

 

[Paul65k]

Have a 2017 3500 crew cab with 6.0 service bed truck my guy uses $150 a day in gas he had a diesel same truck used $70 a day in diesel

Yes but I'll bet you haven't had to change the injectors on that gas motor ......lol

 

[wsuwrhr]

Fixed it?

Yes but I'll bet you haven't had to change the injectors yearly on that gas motor ......lol

 

[HitIt]

Engine cutaway, at least it has the correct spark plug engagement.
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That is not a cutaway of the new engine. The caption on the photo from the original website says "The 7X heads are a good deal more compact that the SOHC ones found on the 6.2L." It is a cutaway of the 6.2L

 

[HitIt]

I'd like to see this new 7.3 V8, in an F650/750 Chassis, so the RV industry can build a Super C motorhome off of it.

That is the plan. They are also going to put it in the F53 and F59 chassis so all of the new (2020+?) gas Class A motor homes you see will have this new motor. As I said before, hope they got it right!

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/stripped-chassis/models/f53-motorhome/

 

[pronstar]

I’m still not buying it that this engine is even real...I’ll reserve judgement until we get info from a more reputable source.


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[pwerwagn]

That is the plan. They are also going to put it in the F53 and F59 chassis so all of the new (2020+?) gas Class A motor homes you see will have this new motor. As I said before, hope they got it right!

https://www.ford.com/commercial-trucks/stripped-chassis/models/f53-motorhome/

Me too. Until then...Im keeping my 8.1 powered Super C!