Fish & Game Quagga Mussel Decon Sites

[Patyacht]

F&G just got a grant and are planning on setting up decontamination sites at LH and Parker. Looking at taking over 2 launch ramp lanes at Windsor. Details of how it will be administered not disclosed yet.
It was in todays paper: http://www.havasunews.com/news/containing-quaggas-lake-havasu-to-benefit-from-in-federal-grants/article_4f24903e-0245-11e3-8fc8-001a4bcf887a.html

 

[shintoooo]

The guy at Windsor told me it's a $500 ticket if you don't pull your drain plug before you leave the park.

 

[ultra26shadow]

I hope this doesn't affect the marina?

 

[Patyacht]

The guy at Windsor told me it's a $500 ticket if you don't pull your drain plug before you leave the park.

Where is that law written?

 

[JB in so cal]

Should speed things up around Windsor:rolleyes

 

[fmo24]

Really looking forward to kneeling down on the asphalt in July to pull my plug :skull Hope it's not true about the ticket I only pull my plug in the winter when we are done for the season

 

[JL2Party]

Where is that law written?

This might be it:

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/documents/AIS/AIS DO.pdf

 

[shintoooo]

I always pull my plug every time I come out of the water anyways so that won't effect me. He also said that you have to get any vegetation off your boat that is stuck to the boat.

 

[Ibeplumbing]

I was there today and they told me the same thing...they said you have to be completely dry when you leave. That means boat, pull plug, dry trailer and wheels.its a new law they are starting to enforce

 

[Singleton]

I was there today and they told me the same thing...they said you have to be completely dry when you leave. That means boat, pull plug, dry trailer and wheels.its a new law they are starting to enforce

That will be fun.
So glad I have a time share at the Nautical and use that launch ramp when in town.

 

[VoodooMedMan]

Holy crap. Did you read that thing. You have to do a lot more than that. Pull fittings and garbage. If they are going to have a lane making sure it happens then the State ramps are going to lose business. I'll go launch at a private ramp. I only boat on Havasu so I'm not going to be spreading anything. I don't pull my plug. Water doesn't get in my bilge. I don't want to launch and not have my plug in. What are they going to sit and make sure everyone takes the bike pump to their Mercs. What about other engines without closed cooling? Are they going to provide a hose and bleach and have you flush your cooling? Typical government crap. I thought Napolitano wasn't in that State anymore.

 

[Boat 405]

I always pull my plug every time I come out of the water anyways so that won't effect me. He also said that you have to get any vegetation off your boat that is stuck to the boat.

X2, I've got three plugs to pull. I do it every time. It takes me less than 30 seconds... I don't even consider it an inconvenience. Just do it and be done with it. Actually I've never towed with a drain plug in...... I don't see what the fuss is about.

 

[Patyacht]

Don't forget the gallon of Vinegar you have to put in your bilge. Right!
"If using watercraft again in less than five days at any other Arizona waters, replace bilge drain
plug and disinfect the bilge by pouring no less than one gallon of vinegar into the bilge."

Havasu 1 day then Parker the next would fall into this I think. Or Havasu then Mohave.

 

[ka0tyk]

i dunno what you're all worried about. that $300k grant will be long gone before any "station" is ever built. they need millions for a multi station operation like that. someone has to work there, they will require benefits, etc. 300k is a drop in the bucket and im sure its already been spent before the check clears the bank.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

You should pull the plug everytime anyway, keep the bilge dry and rot out.

 

[Singleton]

I remove the plugs when the boat goes back into the storage condo. That step does not bother me, all the other crap is over kill

 

[TPC]

Isn't it too late now?

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

Isn't it too late now?

My thoughts exactly.....the quaggas are all over the lake already. At Powell if your boat is wet you have to go to the decantamination station, takes about a half hour for the government employee to go about his business. Bigger issue is that a line starts to form, then your sitting for hours waiting your turn.

 

[69 1/2]

There is a lot of water in the engine cooling system. How in the world do you ensure that water does not cause contamination? Does the engine heat kill the critters? Maybe there is much more to be done on this issue.

 

[SJP]

This is the absolute definition of a circle jerk / pissing in the wind activity / lighting money on fire.

* they can attach (larva) to lines, anchors etc - sorry it is too late - that money is better spent on R&D to deal with them at the power plant etc utility level.

* jet ramp (other than the old jet boat guys dry starting) to show everybody how bitchin their boat sounds - are they going to require a flush kit on every jet and PWC. I have one from ocean riding on my skis but I am not sitting there waiting for that ship to sail.

* If they wanted to put that money to good use at the marine community level increase staff at Windsor and provide additional launch ramp safety, fix docks, rehab beaches. ( I understand this was a specific grant they applied for and won but you looks at things like this and how it is happening in so many other areas in government and it makes you shake your head.)

Man - I sound like a crotchety old man..

 

[McRib]

The guy at Windsor told me it's a $500 ticket if you don't pull your drain plug before you leave the park.

I had a fish and game guy pull me over on the 95 and educated me. I had my plug in and he told me that its actually illegal to haul your boat with the plug in. He didnt say how much the fine was but there is a fine none the less. Maybe boat cop can chime in on this one.

 

[FreeBird236]

I don't have a problem pulling the plug, but I'm not going to stand on my head getting the last half quart of water out of the bildge, you can't reach it. This sounds like job security, like checking 20% of the boats is going to make a difference, too many other ramps. In my boats five year life it's only been on Havasu anyway.

 

[Patyacht]

This is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Government, Fish & Game, have done a very poor job of educating the public on these new laws. Frankly, it's not the performance boater that is the problem here in the west. We don't typically keep our boats in the water and we keep are boats extremely clean. Now when it comes to pontoons and those boats moored at the marina it's different.

 

[CoolCruzin]

All this crap but they don't care about the wake board boats with the sacks. ?
Don't get it .

 

[Paul65k]

This is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. Government, Fish & Game, have done a very poor job of educating the public on these new laws. Frankly, it's not the performance boater that is the problem here in the west. We don't typically keep our boats in the water and we keep are boats extremely clean. Now when it comes to pontoons and those boats moored at the marina it's different.

Not all boats at the marina

Our toon stays in the water full time and it gets cleaned off at least every 2 weeks......I have not seen a muscle on the tubes in the last 6 months and I go over every inch of them myself......before that it was a weekly event to keep it clean.....it seems to be getting better IMHO

 

[Patyacht]

Not all boats at the marina

Our toon stays in the water full time and it gets cleaned off at least every 2 weeks......I have not seen a muscle on the tubes in the last 6 months and I go over every inch of them myself......before that it was a weekly event to keep it clean.....it seems to be getting better IMHO

Now you just haul it out and take it home. In the future, they (F & G) may clean it for you at a charge at one of their clean stations.

 

[jetboatmatt]

I don't get it!! Havasu is already infested! Is this just when you leave the lake??? Because that would make more sense!!! I'm must have red it wrong!!

 

[underpressure]

Umm, just how in the hell do you "dry" a Mercruiser Engine w/o screwing up the impeller? I NEVER run my boat out of the water and I am not starting now....

 

[Paul65k]

Now you just haul it out and take it home. In the future, they (F & G) may clean it for you at a charge at one of their clean stations.

Actually I scrub it down in the water with a scotchbrite and only pull it out of the water every 6-8 months to get the calcium deposits off the tubes.

If the "Muscle Nazi's" get too tough I'll just pull it out at the Palms and deal with it there

 

[HALLETT BOY]

You just know it won't stop at just the Quagga inspection , it will turn into an OUI , muffler , safety equipment and
any and everything else they will throw at you to justify their existence and bloated bureaucracy .

 

[JL2Party]

Can't wait tell fish and game wants to wipe down some ballers boat with vinegar while his gun is rubbing against the hull scratching his gel coat. That will be a great day on the forum.

 

[t&y]

Can't wait tell fish and game wants to wipe down some ballers boat with vinegar while his gun is rubbing against the hull scratching his gel coat. That will be a great day on the forum.

You forgot to add while digging his jackboots into the gel and shouting profanity's:thumbup:

 

[Groper]

There is a lot of water in the engine cooling system. How in the world do you ensure that water does not cause contamination? Does the engine heat kill the critters? Maybe there is much more to be done on this issue.

Yes it looks like 140deg will kill them.

I had a fish and game guy pull me over on the 95 and educated me. I had my plug in and he told me that its actually illegal to haul your boat with the plug in. He didnt say how much the fine was but there is a fine none the less. Maybe boat cop can chime in on this one.

Nice, I always put my plug in at the house before L hit the launch ramp so I don't forget.

The following protocols shall be taken for any watercraft, vehicles, conveyances, or other equipment
that have been in or on an AIS listed water/location for more than 5 days:
Before leaving the vicinity of the listed water/location (unless otherwise authorized by the state):
Remove any clinging material such as plants, algae, animals and mud from anchor, boat, motor,
trailer, and all other equipment.
Remove the plug (when so equipped) and drain the water from the bilge, live-well, and any other
compartments that may hold water.
Drain water from engine, engine compartments, and engine cooling systems.
Remove all attached invasive species (e.g., adult quagga mussels, New Zealand mudsnails) from
boat surfaces, motors, impellers, outdrives, rudders, anchor(s), and through hull fittings.
Dry completely - Keep the watercraft, vehicles, conveyances, or other equipment out of water and
completely dry, including bilge, through hull fittings and engine for a minimum of eighteen (18) consecutive
days during the months of November through April and seven (7) consecutive days
during the months of May through October.
Where watercraft decontamination facilities exist, flush the engine, cooling systems, and any other
through hull fittings for ten to thirty seconds with hot water exiting those areas at 140?F to kill any hidden
invasive species (e.g., adult quagga mussels, New Zealand mudsnails).
OWNER, OPERATOR, AND/OR TRANSPORTER OF LONG TERM USE BOATS SHALL
complete and sign an Aquatic Invasive Species Boat Inspection Report - AISBIR (AGFD Form 2137).
The AISBIR form is located on the Department?s website (azgfd.gov/mussels) and a completed form
shall be sent by facsimile to (623) 236-7271 or scanned and emailed to [email protected] of
the Arizona Game and Fish Department?s Aquatic Invasive Species Program before transport of watercraft
to any other Arizona waters or out of state.


Really ? so you have to remove your impeller after five days in the water ? :eek

And added paperwork to the mix:yikes

 

[Patyacht]

I think the impellers they are talking about are jet skis and jet boats not I/O or outboard boats.

 

[PDQH2O]

Disappointed to read this thread as it sounds eerily like a certain Northern CA lake. Left unchecked, you can get a good idea of where boating on the Colorado River is headed. www.trpa.org Look for Environmental Issues/Invasive Species (couldn't copy the direct link). Note also the inspection fees required. Hope it never gets to this point.

 

[Patyacht]

I had a fish and game guy pull me over on the 95 and educated me. I had my plug in and he told me that its actually illegal to haul your boat with the plug in. He didn't say how much the fine was but there is a fine none the less. Maybe boat cop can chime in on this one.

Should have told him you were cleaning your bilge with vinegar as the law requires. Seriously, the law does require that you clean the bilge with vinegar if going to another lake within 5 days.

 

[ka0tyk]

You just know it won't stop at just the Quagga inspection , it will turn into an OUI , muffler , safety equipment and
any and everything else they will throw at you to justify their existence and bloated bureaucracy .

judging from the inspection point at vidal they have yet to do anything like that... they just make sure the boat isnt wet. i can understand that. What I dont like is that they try to do it all themselves and start poking around in your boat. Last time the guy dropped my anchor in the back but it snagged the seat. I didnt notice until i got home. :thumbsdown

 

[Patyacht]

I started putting the anchor in the back of the truck when trailering out of town.

 

[Ziggy]

My boat is 10 yrs old and I've had the plug out of it a total of once. It stays bone dry unless We've been in/out of the water massive times and/or if I use the on board cooler that drains into the bilge.
It's never seen any water other than the Colorado sans the very first ride in Smellsomemore.

 

[t&y]

I started putting the anchor in the back of the truck when trailering out of town.

Yup. Fist time I rolled through the guy stopped me. Pretty cool actually, definately a boat person. As I'm taking the cover off and getting into the bow he told me to do the same thing in regards to the anchor in the back of the truck. Said all he was looking for was hanging vegitation, plug removed, and nothing on the anchor or line. Been putting the anchor in the bed of the truck ever since.

My boat is 10 yrs old and I've had the plug out of it a total of once. It stays bone dry unless We've been in/out of the water massive times and/or if I use the on board cooler that drains into the bilge.
It's never seen any water other than the Colorado sans the very first ride in Smellsomemore.

Well at least you know you don't take on water. My jet is constantly putting water in the bildge and now that my kids aren't afraid to jump in the lake it only adds to the amount of water in there after a days use. Most of the time about mid day I'll run the bildge pump and clear it out.

Plug is always out at the launch ramp. Have been doing that ever since I bought the boat.

As far as firing up the boat dry.... I thought all the cool kids did that.

 

[DaveH]

i just took my boat to powell from NV. on the 15 near ST George, there is a commercial truck scale. but in small print now posted on the signs, ALL VEHICLES MUST STOP that are bring boats into the state. never seen that before, blew past it, but didnt get stopped. I can only assume they are looking for "invasive species".

also, the mussel Nazi's at the lake are all over you. they wanted your name, but numbers, where it was used, etc etc and then made you drive STRAIGHT to detox where they were waiting for you. i actually didnt mind the bilge flush, gets the bilge nice and clean, but the 140' water flush of the motor didnt have any (short term) effect on the impeller.

also, these detox stations are already installed at Mead. but i stopped a ranger to ask abou the requirement to use it, and could not get any sort of straight answer.

 

[Ziggy]

judging from the inspection point at vidal they have yet to do anything like that... they just make sure the boat isnt wet. i can understand that. What I dont like is that they try to do it all themselves and start poking around in your boat. Last time the guy dropped my anchor in the back but it snagged the seat. I didnt notice until i got home. :thumbsdown

That's place was locked down tight last time I drove through at 10pm'ish. I suppose boaters stop transporting their rigs after sunset or ???:rolleyes

 

[Outlaw]

I boat at a Army corp of engineers controlled lake.
They started checking a couple years ago
This year it was way more involved
And I keep my boat spotless. Biggest problem I've noticed is that they are really slow and have 0% idea on what they are doing.
Oh and they check everything, safety equipment included before you can launch.

 

[Ziggy]

Saw some show on tv a few night ago, bare handed Catfishing dudes. One big guy forgot his shoes and was all cut up on his feet from what he called Zebra Mussels......back in OkeyHoma somewheres
Fish and Game can do what they want but they lost this war to Zebra/quagga's decades ago before anyone knew they were a threatthumbsdown