Final Build of the day

[CaliEliminator]

Here?s another 27?, a Daytona that?ll be getting a 572 Chevy Gate Motor!

 

[RiverDave]

That gel is aggressive I like it! I'm not one for out there gels either. Please keep us updated on the progress of the builds.

 

[Tom Brown]

I've noticed Eliminators seem to have more black and red in their gel schemes than other builders. At least, that's how it seems to me.

Is there a reason for that? Is that your gel guy's preference or maybe someone in the design department who likes those colors?

You guys also seem to have "smoother" schemes that are more dramatic and maybe even a little more class and a touch less bling than pretty much anything else I've seen.

Is this just my impression or am I onto something?

 

[Gelcoater]

I've noticed Eliminators seem to have more black and red in their gel schemes than other builders. At least, that's how it seems to me.

Is there a reason for that? Is that your gel guy's preference or maybe someone in the design department who likes those colors?

You guys also seem to have "smoother" schemes that are more dramatic and maybe even a little more class and a touch less bling than pretty much anything else I've seen.

Is this just my impression or am I onto something?

Design department,lol

 

[troostr]

The Flake in the black ( I assume it's black) is Killer!!! Nice Work.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

I'm really diggin' the black... :thumbsup

 

[ka0tyk]

are the windows finalized? it would look nicer if the part where it mounts to the deck had some black outline on it... im guessing it'll look like the one next to it in the pix when its done.

 

[Gelcoater]

They usually do somekind of color around them,thinking their not done with em yet.

 

[Performance Boat Candy]

Bad Ass! :thumbsup

 

[BMABITY]

there is another daytona out there, i think a 30 or 33 with similar gel. Might have been the whipple boat, regardless good to see eliminator doing what they do best.. Nice bad ass boats....

 

[spectras only]

Here?s another 27?, a Daytona that?ll be getting a 572 Chevy Gate Motor!

I know Eliminator did a crate zz572 before ,so this would be my pick for the 27 Speedster:thumbsup. Also ,I love red & black combos

I did this setup with my friend for his 33' boat and it works well.

 

[spectras only]

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[Gelcoater]

I know where those comments came fromIt's your money man use it how you like. ZZ572/720R Base
Big Block Chevy



ZZ572/620 Deluxe - Big-block performance with torque to spare.
When you?re ready to really step it up, it?s time for the GM Performance Parts ZZ572 and it?s massive 620 horsepower and 650 lb.-ft. of torque! This is flat-out, the baddest street Rat available that still happily runs on pump gas. The ZZ572/620 features 572 cubic inches of pure big-block and ships to your door in the coolest collection of orange, chrome, and aluminum you?ve ever seen.

There are several custom-designed components that make the ZZ572/620 the king of the street. It has a strong, 4-bolt block that was created with a 4.560" bore just for the 572" displacement. The 572 block is fortified with a forged crank, forged rods, forged pistons?everything was designed to offer you the ultimate big-block experience. To feed all of those hungry cubes, we topped it off with a single-plane intake manifold that has been port-matched to the ectangular-port aluminum heads. A custom, hydraulic roller camshaft uses .632" lift perimeters to lead the charge. We make no apologies if the loping, aggressive idle of this camshaft attracts attention.

The Deluxe ZZ572/620 comes complete from oil pan (with windage tray) to carburetor, including an 850-cfm Demon four-barrel, HEI distributor, red spark plug wires, aluminum short-style water pump, and automatic transmission flexplate. It?s the ideal combination of big-block parts?designed, validated to GMPP standards, and tested in real world applications.

Possible Applications
?The ultimate hot rod starting point
Pump gas drag racing?just add spray
?Wake up the neighborhood?anytime!
?Only install if you want to be the biggest dog on the porch
*Applications have not been validated. They are merely suggestions of how you might enjoy your GM Performance Parts crate engine. Some applications may affect engine warranty. See specific warranty information. Some applications may not be emission legal; check state and local ordinances.

ZZ572/620 DELUXE TECH SPECS:
Part Number: 12498793
Engine type: Chevy big-block V-8
Displacement (cu in): 572
Bore x stroke (in): 4.560 x 4.375
Block (P/N 25534368): Cast iron with 4-bolt main caps
Crankshaft (P/N 88961554): Forged steel
Connecting rods (P/N 88962926): Forged steel, shot peened
Pistons (P/N 88962925): Forged aluminum
Camshaft type (P/N 88961557): Hydraulic roller
Camshaft lift (in): .632 intake / .632 exhaust
Camshaft duration (@.050 in): 254'c1 intake / 264'c1 exhaust
Cylinder heads (P/N 12499255): Aluminum rectangular port, 118 cc chambers
Valve size (in): 2.25 intake / 1.88 exhaust; stainless steel
Compression ratio: 9.6:1
Rocker Arms (P/N 12361323): Aluminum roller style
Rocker arm ratio: 1.7:1
Distributor (P/N 88961867): HEI
Carburetor (P/N 88961560): 850 cfm
Water pump (P/N 14058915): Aluminum, short-style
Spark plugs & wires: Included
Flexplate (P/N 12561217): 14"
Recommended fuel: 92 octane
Ignition timing: 36'c1 total @ 5000 rpm
Maximum rpm: 6000


Part #: 12498793





Installation Notes
?Clutch linkage boss is cast and machined in block, but must be drilled and tapped. When using cast iron exhaust manifolds, lower head bolts may need to be replaced with bolts with shorter heads, for clearance.
?Requires addition of starter and fuel pump (not included).
?Gen VI tall-deck block has machined mechanical fuel pump boss
?Comes with a 14" automatic transmission flexplate. Requires internally balanced flywheel for manual transmission applications.
?Intended for pre-1977 street vehicles or all off-road vehicles.
?Not intended for marine applications.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
?You do have a strong transmission and rear axle, don?t you?


Who do you suppose that builder was I was talking about in the last thread on this subject? Like Danny from DCM said in that thread,yours is one of the few to have lived that long in a boat,he knows of several that failed and I know of a few more. I'm betting this engine has been gone through that these guys will be using.It's probably the one sitting on the floor in the background.

 

[spectras only]

The 1050 Holley Dominator is the best for the ZZ572, installed in a boat. The 850 Demon is OK for a streetcar.
hundreds of 427 & 454 LS6 crate BBC engines went into boats from my friend's shop in the 70's and 80's.
Can't recall failures with proper break-in periods followed!


There's a crate engine in this boat.

 

[djunkie]

The 1050 Holley Dominator is the best for the ZZ572, installed in a boat. The 850 Demon is OK for a streetcar.
hundreds of 427 & 454 LS6 crate BBC engines went into boats from my friend's shop in the 70's and 80's.
Can't recall failures with proper break-in periods followed!


There's a crate engine in this boat.

Just curious why you say a 1050 dominator is best for that motor? Is that what GM recommends? What did they use on it to get their claim of 620hp and 650 ft lbs? I'm making more power than that with a single 850 Holley hp series and spinning my motor to 6000rpms. Although my motor is only a 496. But I haven't seen a dyno sheet on the GM 572 to see where it makes it's power.

 

[spectras only]

Djunkie, we didn't dyno this engine [ it's for a commuter , not for a dragboat] but I found the engine ran too lean for my liking with the 850 Demon. I always go by spark plug colour after a WOT run.Boat ran good with lean condition, but we wanted this engine to last for years.My buddy runs it almost every weekend to his Vancouver Island place!

 

[Gelcoater]

 

[RiverDave]

Just curious why you say a 1050 dominator is best for that motor? Is that what GM recommends? What did they use on it to get their claim of 620hp and 650 ft lbs? I'm making more power than that with a single 850 Holley hp series and spinning my motor to 6000rpms. Although my motor is only a 496. But I haven't seen a dyno sheet on the GM 572 to see where it makes it's power.

Corrected #'s? Or real #'s..

RD

 

[turbo94gto]

I've noticed Eliminators seem to have more black and red in their gel schemes than other builders. At least, that's how it seems to me.

Is there a reason for that? Is that your gel guy's preference or maybe someone in the design department who likes those colors?

You guys also seem to have "smoother" schemes that are more dramatic and maybe even a little more class and a touch less bling than pretty much anything else I've seen.

Is this just my impression or am I onto something?

I believe it is because they are timeless colors. A good example is Fountain, if you look at 2, early 90s late 80s fountains. One with the trendy turquoise or the other that is all red. The red boat still looks relevant.

 

[getreal]

I'm really diggin' the black... :thumbsup

until you sit on it in the hot sun

 

[skipperw10]

Just curious why you say a 1050 dominator is best for that motor? Is that what GM recommends? What did they use on it to get their claim of 620hp and 650 ft lbs? I'm making more power than that with a single 850 Holley hp series and spinning my motor to 6000rpms. Although my motor is only a 496. But I haven't seen a dyno sheet on the GM 572 to see where it makes it's power.

Hmmmm....

 

[Gelcoater]

I believe it is because they are timeless colors. A good example is Fountain, if you look at 2, early 90s late 80s fountains. One with the trendy turquoise or the other that is all red. The red boat still looks relevant.

True,timeless colors. For the most part customers pic their own colors and graphics by providing a loose sketch,pics of other boats they want blended together or point at graphics on another boat in the shop and plug in their own colors. At one time they had a guy doing computer renderings( that I found to be a complete pain in the ass to duplicate),but he is gone.

 

[shueman]

I'm still amazed at how the tapers can look at a photo or drawing and laydown the right mix of tape and paper for you guys to spray...

 

[Gelcoater]

I'm still amazed at how the tapers can look at a photo or drawing and laydown the right mix of tape and paper for you guys to spray...

Haven't used one in a few years now,except for that giant Schiada job earlier this year..
I used to lay out a side for him to copy,as I'm kinda pickey

The taping part was what was such a pain to duplicate from the rendering.As many times as I tried to explain to Jake the drawing had to be to SCALE for me to be able to make it look like the rendering,he just didn't get it,didn't care or both,i dunno. I'm glad they don't do that anymore,as the other thing with a rendering is if,while im tapeing I see a way to make the design better in some way (artistic freedom) I cant,as a customer has already seen a rendering and expects that.

The coolest customers to work for are the guys who already know what we can do,and say I like this about design A over there and that about design B over there,mix the two together and I like these colors,make it bitchen. Those are the guys who end up with a boat that stops traffic and draws a crowd where ever it is.

 

[djunkie]

Corrected #'s? Or real #'s..

RD

That I don't know. Don't have my dyno sheet in front of me. You can call Wilkes to find out though.

I will say this. It's pulls almost as hard as my friends blown 21 that made over 1000 hp.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Let the artist be the artist, eh Gelcoater?
It does make sense, give the guys a few ideas, tell them for sure what you don't like or want, and let 'em have at it.

That boat looks very nice.

 

[djunkie]

Djunkie, we didn't dyno this engine [ it's for a commuter , not for a dragboat] but I found the engine ran too lean for my liking with the 850 Demon. I always go by spark plug colour after a WOT run.Boat ran good with lean condition, but we wanted this engine to last for years.My buddy runs it almost every weekend to his Vancouver Island place!

I re read my post towards you and It looks like I may have been slamming your take on the carb. It wasn't meant that way at all. I was just simply trying to say that the right 850hp or even 950hp Holley might work a little better on that boat as it probably doesn't see the higher RPMs where the larger carb would help. Plus it may get a little better fuel economy. Oh and my ride is just a measly little commuter too.

 

[spectras only]

Djunkie , didn't take it as a slam on my opinion at all. I've always used 850 CFM carbs on big block 454 GM or 460 Ford .Found the smaller CFM carbs recommended by Holley, really only worked fine for cars not boats.
Carburator volumetric efficiency is what Holley basing their CFM recommendation,and it applies well for cars, not boats they're constantly on a hill climb IMHO.

BTW, my friend had a 22 Schiada like yours back in the early 70's, with a crate LS6. It was custom built for him.He's was the faster colour [ yellow] hehe.

 

[djunkie]

Djunkie , didn't take it as a slam on my opinion at all. I've always used 850 CFM carbs on big block 454 GM or 460 Ford .Found the smaller CFM carbs recommended by Holley, really only worked fine for cars not boats.
Carburator volumetric efficiency is what Holley basing their CFM recommendation,and it applies well for cars, not boats they're constantly on a hill climb IMHO.

BTW, my friend had a 22 Schiada like yours back in the early 70's, with a crate LS6. It was custom built for him.He's was the faster colour [ yellow] hehe.

But with the slower engine. (LS6). :skull

 

[Dave Wettlaufer]

I just wanna make sure I have a handle on this carb tuning deal....if your junk runs lean with an 850 carb, change it out for a 1050? More air! Got it!