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Every EV has a limit as to how fast in KW that they can charge. If your desire is to charge as fast as possible, them this fact must be determined first. No one will use a DC home charger, as from what I have learned, they cost 20G ++.

The most powerful home charging system, IF you EV will even handle this, is a hard wired 80 AMP unit 220V. like this; https://www.ebay.com/itm/186703200686?_skw=ford+wal+lcharger+80+amp&epid=22065222625&itmmeta=01J96Q9MN4F1A1CQRYSW4YVSNT&hash=item2b7860c1ae:g:Y9kAAOSwsHNm9Tri&itmprp=enc:AQAJAAAA4HoV3kP08IDx+KZ9MfhVJKmX5t8ul5rLspQb/mZcuUNHM7P2K0jYFnX6Vw+AA3wA62FMqk3VIlPRgsU+z0KKuZL12ZP6H0d7kv1azqKdddZduggDXLtpI3mx0fmri0wlk4rovZwN38FwE5q62P0+d57DABnwlH8g0HZrQTqo5M/Rxnf+1ChYEJjnWiFmuGIrKA+c++9Wrbmlnoj9qdpNPvufA16O9h0S1ZVhXQQIgoGIlkO2BdOx0qrcf77u5Vq5t59lOHI0INXiqFULW5RdTFpIBWu7K+X16Izzu0RanbZz|tkp:Bk9SR9LKptfJZA

IF you do not need this, and it is a bit overkill except for Hummers, then use a 48 AMP unit hard wired for a lot less money plus install. Most come with a cord that will accommodate a 110 or 220V 4 prong plug, at 220V this is a 30 AMP outlet needed. I had one installed for $300 in my garage next to a sub panel for the BMW X-5E plug in, and it charges it in 1 hour. See photos below of the typical two plug, one cord, cord supplied with most new EV's.

If you look at the photographs below look at the female plug, which is on my 2025 Hummer you noticed the round plug above, which is very standard as NACS, this accepts the standard charge cord from any home charger or charge station non-Tesla this feeds in 220 V level two or 110 V level one. If you notice just below that there’s a second female plug two side-by-side that’s for DC fast charging. Some newer electric vehicles and the Hummer can take this because it has a 600 V system on board and can fast charge for a professional charge station.

The photo of the wall plug is very typical. This is a 30 amp for prong which is universal and electric vehicle charging not the twist plug used for recreational vehicles. The cord shown on that with the pigtail for 110 V is the BMW one, but it’s the same for most electric vehicles, including the Hummer.

Simple answer, use a 220V 4 prong 30 amp outlet in your garage, or add a 48 AMP wall charge station. Not many houses can take an added 100 AMP breaker for something like the Ford station, which will charge ANY EV expect tesla. Now adapters are available for most new EV's to use the tesla Network, Hummer included. They use a DC charge, but speed can vary and be less in remote areas. Huge Tesla stations, like Barstow, and most other stations, like Electrify America, next To Tesla stations will have very quick speeds and do DC and 80 AMP Level 2 (220V) IF you EV can take that fast of a charge. All of this is available online, even the station openings are shown.
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So back to the original question...

The 30amp RV outlet, at an RV park is going to be 12v. Check.

The 50amp outlet, at the RV park is Capable of delivering 220/240. Check.

So in the case of my daughters Chebby Volt...

It has a standard house plug on one end to plug into any standard outlet. If I was camping, she can charge it form my trailer easily. Check.

Now...

The Volt has an available 220/240 charger, that I haven't bought for her yet, cause it will only work in my garage 220/240 outlet.

So.......

IS there a dogbone style adapter available, that will convert a 50amp RV outlet, to a standard 220/240 outlet?

I only have my POS Weekend Warrior with a 30 amp service, so (obviously) I'm uneducated about how a 50amp RV outlet works!

School me.
 

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So.......

IS there a dogbone style adapter available, that will convert a 50amp RV outlet, to a standard 220/240 outlet?

I only have my POS Weekend Warrior with a 30 amp service, so (obviously) I'm uneducated about how a 50amp RV outlet works!

School me.

yup-

Lowes

or just about anywhere else
 

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yup-

Lowes

or just about anywhere else

Uhh, no. That's a standard adapter to go from 50amp RV to 30amp RV.

The output on that is meant for a 30amp RV power cord (120v).

That's what it looks like to me anyway.
 

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So back to the original question...

The 30amp RV outlet, at an RV park is going to be 12v. Check.

The 50amp outlet, at the RV park is Capable of delivering 220/240. Check.

So in the case of my daughters Chebby Volt...

It has a standard house plug on one end to plug into any standard outlet. If I was camping, she can charge it form my trailer easily. Check.

Now...

The Volt has an available 220/240 charger, that I haven't bought for her yet, cause it will only work in my garage 220/240 outlet.

So.......

IS there a dogbone style adapter available, that will convert a 50amp RV outlet, to a standard 220/240 outlet?

I only have my POS Weekend Warrior with a 30 amp service, so (obviously) I'm uneducated about how a 50amp RV outlet works!

School me.
Uhh, no. That's a standard adapter to go from 50amp RV to 30amp RV.

The output on that is meant for a 30amp RV power cord (120v).

That's what it looks like to me anyway.

I believe RV parks use a Nema 14-50? If so the charger should come with that plug.
 

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I believe RV parks use a Nema 14-50? If so the charger should come with that plug.

I dunno. As I've never had to use one!

It's not a priority, I was just wondering if you Could get 220 (conventional) out of a 50amp RV park socket?

Could come in handy on road trips.
 

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I dunno. As I've never had to use one!

It's not a priority, I was just wondering if you Could get 220 (conventional) out of a 50amp RV park socket?

Could come in handy on road trips.
If it is 50 amps it is 240 volt single phase.

You can get virtually any adapter on Amazon.

A Chevy volt is a hybrid a Chevy bolt is an EV.

I'm not sure how big the battery is in a volt or if you even need a 240 charger for one?
 

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If it is 50 amps it is 240 volt single phase.

You can get virtually any adapter on Amazon.

A Chevy volt is a hybrid a Chevy bolt is an EV.

I'm not sure how big the battery is in a volt or if you even need a 240 charger for one?

Need? No.

Handy? Definitely could be on road trips. It's very slow to charge on 110.
 

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So is there an adapter made? Or should I just make my own? 🤔
Adapter from NEMA 14-50 to what? there is no such thing as a "Standard 50 amp outlet" there are a bunch of different ones depending on the criteria.

Whatever outlet you are looking at should have the nema number printed on it.... unless it's as old as you.... 🤣
 

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So from what I'm reading here is if you live out in the middle of nowhere and you have a EV you better plan on not having a very fast charge system to use unless you have big $$$$$ or drive to the city to hook into a fast charge system
 

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So from what I'm reading here is if you live out in the middle of nowhere and you have a EV you better plan on not having a very fast charge system to use unless you have big $$$$$ or drive to the city to hook into a fast charge system

You just need a 50amp 240v service for it.... It's not that big of a deal unless you are on some type of very modest solar/battery offgrid system. If you are on the grid a 50amp 240 outlet isn't that big of a deal.
 

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Adapter from NEMA 14-50 to what? there is no such thing as a "Standard 50 amp outlet" there are a bunch of different ones depending on the criteria.

Whatever outlet you are looking at should have the nema number printed on it.... unless it's as old as you.... 🤣

Solid point!

Not to, but FROM!

As per the original question. FROM a 50amp RV outlet, that would would find in a full hook up spot, TO the NEMA 14-50, so I could plug the 220 charger into it (the one I posted the pic of).

Blame this shit on @Gramps. He asked first! 🤣
 

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Solid point!

Not to, but FROM!

As per the original question. FROM a 50amp RV outlet, that would would find in a full hook up spot, TO the NEMA 14-50, so I could plug the 220 charger into it (the one I posted the pic of).

Blame this shit on @Gramps. He asked first! 🤣

RV 50 amp is a Nema 14-50. So basically an extension cord? 🤣 🤣
 

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RV 50 amp is a Nema 14-50. So basically an extension cord? 🤣 🤣

Fuck if I know! Lol

So that charger I posted would plug right into any RV full hook up, 50amp outlet?

No adapter required??
 

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Sure looks like it would...

VEVOR 50 FT 50 Amp RV Extension Cord NEMA N14-50P to N14-50R, 125 / 250V Heavy Duty STW 6/3+ 8/1 RV Power Cord, for EV Charging and RV Trailer Campers https://a.co/d/aF6qcXq
 

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Looks like Tesla uses the same plug for their level 2 charger as well, so just buy whatever, get a 220v (level 2) charger, and sneak into the RV parks and charge it up! 🤣

Or...

Get a plug in hybrid, and you won't have to worry if the battery is charged or not. They still have a gas engine for when the battery is fully depleted.

Seriously, like someone else said, if you're not on solar, 220v in your house is no big deal at all. 👍🏼
 

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Tesla public chargers are simple and reliable and plenty of them.

All other brands are complicated, unreliable and few of them.

Many other lines of cars that can use Tesla Charging may be limited to the rare Tesla V3 chargers.
 
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Tesla charging is simple and reliable and plenty of them.

All others are complicated, unreliable and few of them.

My daughters Volt is 15 years old now? Everything about it is perfect still.
 
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😵‍💫 It appears this thread kinda went off the rails, maybe this will better clarify some of the apparently confusion.

First let's clear up one thing, erase any conceived relevance between having solar and having 240 volts available. Grid-Tied homes with solar almost assuredly do and off-grid solar homes certainly can if they desire it.
The predicating factor for a Grid-tied home with or without solar in regards to it's ability to provide EV charger power is primarily main service size and available panel capacity.

Maybe this drawing will help you visualize the difference between a common 30A (120 volt) RV receptacle and a 50A (120/240 Volt) RV receptacle. It also shows you how to adapt a 50A 120/240 V to a 30A 120V, as not all RV Parks offer 50A.
Keep in mind, that this works because RV's don't have 240 appliances, they simply provide for 120 volts from two distinct phase legs (L1 & L2), thusly increasing their capacity to allow for additional 120V Air Conditioners as one example.
If you convert to a 30A, chances are your RV's capacity will be limited in that respect.

Hope this helps.

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As noted about as far as I know the level one and level two plugs which is 110 V and 220 V use the exact same plug for pretty much all electric and hybrid vehicles. When it comes to DC charging that’s where Tesla has their own plug and others use a double prong plug but adapters are available. The really good ones are about $175. . You only need the adapter for a non-Tesla car if you want to get onto their network and of course get their app to pay for recharge. Level two 220 V with a 30 amp four prong plug in the wall will do pretty much good at home for anybody that has an electric vehicle with the exception being in the hummer due to the battery size if it’s completely down, they will not charge overnight. Any other electric vehicle will. And of course, like myself and many people in Las Vegas we have solar so electricity is pretty much free. If it fits your family and your budget, I think we have the best of both worlds a plug-in hybrid and an electric vehicle so electric you could use anywhere for a 300 mile range sometimes even more and the hybrid of course will take you anywhere just stop to fill up on most of them about every 400 to 600 miles Per tank and charge. The BMW X5E goes a little over 500 miles between a charge and a full tank of fuel.
 

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I think @Gramps should buy one of these, so I can come drive it around! 😁


Note: The ones I've looked at all have a 60-70k window sticker. 😱
 

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I think @Gramps should buy one of these, so I can come drive it around! 😁


Note: The ones I've looked at all have a 60-70k window sticker. 😱
no thanks..........nothing except p/u trucks since 1988
 

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I meant to say Tesla public chargers are reliable and simple. The rest clunky, complicated and usually broken.

It was a Zanax & Captain post.

Well at least we know know, you CAN use a 50amp RV outlet, if you have a 220 Charger!

I wonder if anyone else knows that?

🤷‍♂️
 

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There are people who struggle to plug in their phone or hair dryer and they want/expect people to figure 110/220 ev charging shit?? A disaster waiting to happen. Still waiting for the electric car fire in the underground parking garage to incinerate an apartment building. Already happens in china.
 

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Well at least we know know, you CAN use a 50amp RV outlet, if you have a 220 Charger!

I wonder if anyone else knows that?

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Whelp, nothing personal, but it would seem that apparently it's everybody but YOU 🤣;) Sorry, I couldn't stop myself. 🤣🤣🤣
After spending yesterday hanging around a few San Diego heavily EV populated beach cities, I doubt that the vast majority of EV drivers I saw behind the wheel barely know not to fill it with gasoline.
 

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Well at least we know know, you CAN use a 50amp RV outlet, if you have a 220 Charger!

I wonder if anyone else knows that?

🤷‍♂️
I’ve never seen a 50amp 120v receptacle.

People get hung up on 240v being something special. It’s 2 hots a neutral and ground.

The amperage or load is dictated by the wire size with a breaker to make sure it all doesn’t melt.

There are 240v loads that can be handled with simple 14/2 romex. Or they can need 2/0 wire.
 

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What about 230v?
The official distribution voltage in North America is 120/240 for single phase and 208, 240, 480 and 600 for 3 phase as established in the 1930's.
However, NEMA developed their own standards base on + or - 10%, but opted to base it on the lower in anticipation of voltage drop between the service and device.
So the NEMA rated voltages for motors etc is 115/230 for single phase and 200, 230, 460 and 575 for three phase.
 

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Can we stop saying 110/220. The future called It’s fucking 120/240 😁
Ok not to thread jack but now I have questions.

So if I have a an L6-30 plug, it’s providing 220 or 240V @ 30A?

And say if I have a UPS plugged into that where I can set its output voltage, should I be setting the output voltage to 208 or 220 or 240 for connected equipment?
 

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I’ve never seen a 50amp 120v receptacle.

People get hung up on 240v being something special. It’s 2 hots a neutral and ground.

The amperage or load is dictated by the wire size with a breaker to make sure it all doesn’t melt.

There are 240v loads that can be handled with simple 14/2 romex. Or they can need 2/0 wire.
Never seen one either, but NEMA does have a configuration for it.
Ok not to thread jack but now I have questions.

So if I have a an L6-30 plug, it’s providing 220 or 240V @ 30A?

And say if I have a UPS plugged into that where I can set its output voltage, should I be setting the output voltage to 208 or 220 or 240 for connected equipment?

Here ya go ---- L6-30 is 240V 2 pole, 3 wire (With ground)

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Ok not to thread jack but now I have questions.

So if I have a an L6-30 plug, it’s providing 220 or 240V @ 30A?

And say if I have a UPS plugged into that where I can set its output voltage, should I be setting the output voltage to 208 or 220 or 240 for connected equipment?

Without attaching a meter it’s hard to say. Could be 122v or 114v on one leg.

But like @Taboma said the standard is 120/240v for single phase services. Manufactures give a wide range of voltages to accommodate the “differences”.

As far as the output voltage. I’d set it at 240v unless you’re on a 3 phase system. Then it would be 208. In theory there’s more load (current) at 220v vs 240v.
 
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Just noticed those didn't include 50-60 amp configurations

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Without attaching a meter it’s hard to say. Could be 122v or 114v on one leg.

But like @Taboma said the standard is 120/240v for single phase services. Manufactures give a wide range of voltages to accommodate the “differences”.

As far as the output voltage is set it at 240v unless you’re on a 3 phase system. Then it would be 208. In theory there’s more load (current) at 220v vs 240v.

Until that bizarre day when we encounter 120/240 3phase delta and loose our shit discovering 208V between one phase leg and neutral. 🤔 It's right then we understand why the customer is pissed that everything he plugs in is burning up. :oops: 🤣
 

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New bullet today, see how long my she lasts.
 

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Fuck if I know! Lol

So that charger I posted would plug right into any RV full hook up, 50amp outlet?

No adapter required??

Correct! The charger that you posted will plug right into the 50amp plug at an RV park.

What I don't like about that charger, it only comes with the option to plug into 50A Nema 14/50... As mentioned before, the Tesla mobile chargers have adapters so you can basically plug into anything you want. 110, 30amp etc... But you could always use an adapter and achieve the same results with the charger you posted.
 

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The official distribution voltage in North America is 120/240 for single phase and 208, 240, 480 and 600 for 3 phase as established in the 1930's.
However, NEMA developed their own standards base on + or - 10%, but opted to base it on the lower in anticipation of voltage drop between the service and device.
So the NEMA rated voltages for motors etc is 115/230 for single phase and 200, 230, 460 and 575 for three phase.
Good to know
 

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The original question was why not use a 30 or 50 amp RV outlet.

It takes 220v to charge an EV properly. 110v takes forever.
My onky experience with charging an electric car, was a loaner car (Nissan Leaf of something) while I was getting my windows tinted. I just needed it to get home, and back to the shop. The shop owner asked if I would plug it in while at home. I said yes. I had it plugged into a 110 outlet for 3.5 - 4 hours. It gained 3 miles of range in that time. Useless.
 
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