Electric car idiots

[FROGMAN524]

In 20 years I would think gasoline cars will be like a plug in corded tool.

You’re so old you’ll probably be dead in 20 years and I’m so Young we’ll probably not have a country in 20 years. Electric vs gas is the least of our concerns.

 

[WYRD]

The sad part is, that's actually closer to the truth.

And, by the time they got done it would be $102 mil. And still not work.

That is because the homeless will steal the copper before its done...and monthly thereafter

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I wonder how much money Tesla is losing at that sales price? The WSJ had a story yesterday that Rivian is losing $30k per truck. But that is kind of an apples/orange comparison, different markets and sales volume. Still though, EVs haven't approached that price ever, makes you wonder.

 

[was thatguy]

Still electric

and this proves a great point.
EV’s are simply a different way of converting fossil fuels into energy/ motion.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Niece in Milford Mass is buying this today:

New Model Y this mornings NEW prices:
$32.890
-$7.500 Fed Tax credit
-$3.500 State Tax credit (varies from state to State)
---------
$21,890

150.000 mile battery warranty
4 yr/50,000 mi basic, 8 yr/120,000 mi powertrain

19 cents per KW charging in her area after the free charging expires X 65 KW = $12.35 to go 330 miles.
Filled the Mazda 6 4cyl last night to go to Vegas $86.66 to go 292 miles

You added all the rebates twice. $33k is their estimated Model Y price AFTER the rebates.
Niece might be in for a rude awakening.

Why we are subsidizing these things is another issue, but if that’s what she wants to putt around in, go for it.

 

[TPC]

“Crisis is the Rally Call of Tyrants” - Madison.

EV haters beef shouldn’t be with owners, your beef is with politicians forcing them on people.

Dispute and skew the numbers all ya want if it makes you feel better, it proves nothing.

Same guys claim RD owes them 12 and a half cents, and it better include that half cent.

Politicians never mention clean air efforts that America has now and pioneered in and leads the world in.

Too busy blaming America.

They tout things like EVs and make it look like a silver bullet cure to a problem that doesn’t exist. Then take all the credit that in the end is someone else’s efforts that deserve credit.

Toyota is right, EVs aren’t for everyone and impractical to say they are.

If EVs are so good they’ll take over on their own. No need to force it.

No need to piss on someone who buys one. You’re pissing in the wind.

 

[TPC]

You added all the rebates twice. $33k is their estimated Model Y price AFTER the rebates.
Niece might be in for a rude awakening.

Why we are subsidizing these things is another issue, but if that’s what she wants to putt around in, go for it.

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You’re right we figured that wrong. Still a good deal:

But Model Y not Model 3.
Musk this morning just reduced the price.

Also buying out of NEW stock on the lot can get more options for a big discount.
I'll hear from her what she finally paid.

BTW:
We had no clue what our write offs would be until we sat down with our CPA. Dealer was no help.
Can’t blame the dealer, it’s screwball ciphering just like mine.

It’s now and for the moment based on price, where the car was built, KWH batteries.

The battery KW capacity blindsided us, didn’t see that coming. It's why some high performance EVs don't have more batteries for more range.
That will be the next fight with extremists.
They are already trying to limit that and HP.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You’re right we figured that wrong. Still a good deal.

Still a good deal, yes.

 

[C-Ya]

There are so many posts about range of electric vehicle. Usually followed by some extreme circumstance, that reinforces the posters narrative.

Here is some perspective for me.

I, like probably millions of others, don’t need the range. My entire bubble is within 3 or 4 miles of my home. In that circumference, I have restaurants, bars, beaches, concert venues, golf, mall, Lowe’s, grocery stores, and just about anything else I need.

I would rather take my boat to the Keys by water, rather than tow it. I can usually take my boat to Captain jobs, that are further than 3 or 4 miles. I really don’t even need a car. A street legal golf cart has become my vehicle of choice.

The part I absolutely love, is never having to hassle with the gas station. My cart charges while I sleep. Even if I were to run low on a charge because I went on a “longer than I ever have” cruise, there so many charging stations, that I am hardly concerned about it.

Even if an electric car only had 80 miles of range, it would still be way more than I need.

I should also mention that I basically charge my golf cart for free, since the outlet in my parking garage is unregulated.

Once my toy condo is built, I plan on buying an electric truck. I could care less about its range too. It will be more than I need.

I must ad, when I take a vacation where I live, I load my shit into my boat. Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There are so many posts about range of electric vehicle. Usually followed by some extreme circumstance, that reinforces the posters narrative.

Here is some perspective for me.

I, like probably millions of others, don’t need the range. My entire bubble is within 3 or 4 miles of my home. In that circumference, I have restaurants, bars, beaches, concert venues, golf, mall, Lowe’s, grocery stores, and just about anything else I need.

I would rather take my boat to the Keys by water, rather than tow it. I can usually take my boat to Captain jobs, that are further than 3 or 4 miles. I really don’t even need a car. A street legal golf cart has become my vehicle of choice.

The part I absolutely love, is never having to hassle with the gas station. My cart charges while I sleep. Even if I were to run low on a charge because I went on a “longer than I ever have” cruise, there so many charging stations, that I am hardly concerned about it.

Even if an electric car only had 80 miles of range, it would still be way more than I need.

I should also mention that I basically charge my golf cart for free, since the outlet in my parking garage is unregulated.

Once my toy condo is built, I plan on buying an electric truck. I could care less about its range too. It will be more than I need.

I must ad, when I take a vacation where I live, I load my shit into my boat. Lol

That is the perfect use case for an electric golf cart or car.

 

[Sharky]

That's why I got a Bolt. Just an every day driver for local. And at the price point, and the tax incentives its the perfect every day driver.

Next week, I gotta gas up the truck to head to Wyoming for a vacation. I should probably start applying for a loan now.

 

[78Southwind]

If you buy out of Teslas existing new stock on hand you may be able to get more car for less money than ordering. More power, more range, AWD and other upgrades.

Niece in Milford Mass is buying this today:

New Model Y this mornings NEW prices:
$32.890
-$7.500 Fed Tax credit
-$3.500 State Tax credit (varies from state to State)
---------
$21,890

150.000 mile battery warranty. Varies from state to state.
4 yr/50,000 mi basic, 8 yr/120,000 mi powertrain

19 cents per KW charging in her area after the free charging expires X 65 KW = $12.35 to go 330 miles.
Filled the Mazda 6 4cyl last night to go to Vegas $86.66 to go 292 miles.

They must be selling like hot cakes. I could only find three long range model 3 available for $45,000+ and I had to use my Arizonia zip code. The model Y was $49,000+.

 

[Tom Slick]

Question. When owning an EV, is it standard practice to plug it into charge in the owners garage? If so I assume it requires a special charger and a specialist / electrician to install the charger. What is the cost for this?

 

[shintoooo]

Question. When owning an EV, is it standard practice to plug it into charge in the owners garage? If so I assume it requires a special charger and a specialist / electrician to install the charger. What is the cost for this?

I got a 50 amp outlet installed for $450 and my car came with a charger.

 

[Sharky]

My car came with a charger. Does both level 1 (110VAC, 8-12 amps) and level 2 (240VAC, ~32-40 amps.)

I installed my own 240VAC, 50 amp outlet in the garage. Already had a 100 amp sub panel in there. I spent more money and got a quality Hubbell 14-50 outlet.
You can get a cheaper Leviton or chineesum outlet. I did not want to have to replace the outlet every few years because the plug terminal fit got sloppy so I went with the Hubbell.

 

[Runs2rch]

I got a 50 amp outlet installed for $450 and my carpet came with a charger.

Fixed haha

 

[Travmon]

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[MPHSystems]

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[Echo Lodge]

My car came with a charger. Does both level 1 (110VAC, 8-12 amps) and level 2 (240VAC, ~32-40 amps.)

I installed my own 240VAC, 50 amp outlet in the garage. Already had a 100 amp sub panel in there. I spent more money and got a quality Hubbell 14-50 outlet.
You can get a cheaper Leviton or chineesum outlet. I did not want to have to replace the outlet every few years because the plug terminal fit got sloppy so I went with the Hubbell.

Great heads up for folks putting in their own 14-50 outlets for EVs. I have put in a few for my buddy that use to own a Tesla (he sold after a year of ownership as he couldn't make it to the river without charging). Leviton are crap for the amp draw an EV pulls. Bryant is a good option if you don't want to pay the Hubbell price. I also installed a smoke detector above the outlet for piece of mind in the garage. You will also need a larger faceplate for the outlet as the Hubbell / Bryant have a larger circumference.

 

[Warlock1]

Business trip I took last week to Sacramento, I rented a Hybrid minivan. Yes I did that on purpose. I love the Dodge Pacifica. Super comfy seats and excellent driving position and lots of room. I just didn't realize it was a hybrid until the engine turned off after a couple of minutes. Oh well I'll run with it and see what this electric thing is all about. Brakes were a little weird as I felt like they "rocked" a bit, but that was it. All in all I enjoyed the ride. Although next time I'm grabbing the Audi or the MB..lol

 

[Wicky]

“ I didn’t realize how inconvenient people are making their lives to drive these stupid electric vehicles.”

Yeah…… it sure is inconvenient never having to go to a gas station. It is also inconvenient to charge at home while sleeping .It sucks not being able to smell exhaust. No roar of the motor, that forces you to hear the stereo. All the FREE electric vehicle parking is another bummer. Driving for Pennie’s on the dollar is getting old too! Lol

EVs = China
I have done business with China for the last 8 years and I am pulling the plug. No mas. Buy EVs. Support China.

 

[C-Ya]

EVs = China
I have done business with China for the last 8 years and I am pulling the plug. No mas. Buy EVs. Support China.

Your Phone = China

Are you going get rid of that too? Lol

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Your Phone = China

Are you going get rid of that too? Lol

I like the latest corporate justification: designed in the US, assembled in China from foreign and domestic parts.

It’s the same schlock with the car manufacturers: assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts. Fords recent commercials about being all in on America is hollow, they aren’t sourcing 100% of their parts from the US.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I like the latest corporate justification: designed in the US, assembled in China from foreign and domestic parts.

It’s the same schlock with the car manufacturers: assembled in the US with domestic and foreign parts. Fords recent commercials about being all in on America is hollow, they aren’t sourcing 100% of their parts from the US.

That jargon has been around the better part of 2 decades.

No one can source 100% of their parts from the US. It is not even feasible or verifiable anymore.

Even if it could, the truck would cost more than double.

 

[Andy B.]

Anyone here realize the carbon foot print an ev vehicle is more than a gasoline powered car to build???? The land it tares up and the diesel use for excavators etc.

Climate change people are all full of shit they're the biggest hypocrites in the world!!!
Saving the planet what a joke.

 

[Sharky]

I drove my cheap ass EV on a 60 mile round trip today to get 30 gallons of premium, ethanol free, gas for my RZR. Closest place to get ethanol free & red die (ag/non tax) diesel is 30 miles away.

Also got 20 gallons of red die diesel to run in the shop heater.

Felt real good about saving the planet and shit.

 

[TPC]

There’s an excellent restaurant near us.
The owner Mike also bartends and we sit at the bar eat and chat. Superb food. A real longtime success.

Owner Mike is Conservative politically and he and Maynard agree 100% on everything with very interesting discussions.

Though Mike the owner is outspoken that he doesn’t like EVs with a passion, his wife bought a BMW EV and these appeared steps away from his restaurants front door:

 

[78Southwind]

There’s an excellent restaurant near us.
The owner Mike also bartends and we sit at the bar eat and chat. Superb food. A real longtime success.

Owner Mike is Conservative politically and he and Maynard agree 100% on everything with very interesting discussions.

Though Mike the owner is outspoken that he doesn’t like EVs with a passion, his wife bought a BMW EV and these appeared steps away from his restaurants front door:
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Happy Wife Happy Life...

 

[Wicky]

Your Phone = China

Are you going get rid of that too? Lol

Sorry, not an apple fan. My Samsung was made in Vietnam. How many phone batteries does it require to make one EV battery, anyway?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

my phone was made

Sorry, not an apple fan. My Samsung was made in Vietnam. How many phone batteries does it require to make one EV battery, anyway?

With parts from China…

 

[Wicky]

With parts from China…

I have bought containers of shit from China. Now, I am far more conscience about it and can see the money grab and what is happening. You want an ev? Cool. I want an ICE. Freedom of choice must drive our economy, not a facist regime ordering us on false pretenses and junk, bought and paid for science.
Back in the 80s when lithium was still fresh, I thought the coolest thing on the planet would be a lithium RC car that was a full scale, life size, car.

The big picture here is money and the deletion of the middle class as we have known it for the last 100 years. The American Dream, if you will. America was built on fossil fuels and it is those same fossil fuels that helped create the greatest middle class in the history of the earth. Delete the oil, delete the middle class. When lithium runs thin, the price for it will grow exponentially and will eventually be a status symbol. Remember, gasoline used to be $0.19 a gallon. Meanwhile, no new drilling to keep the middle class on the decline in numbers. So yes, the world we live in has been slutted out to China. I am closing my business after 10 years. The business model only works when I slutted components out to China. No more. I am done. Fuck China.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Question. When owning an EV, is it standard practice to plug it into charge in the owners garage? If so I assume it requires a special charger and a specialist / electrician to install the charger. What is the cost for this?

Yes it is. To truly take full advantage of owning an EV you would want to charge at home while you're sleeping at the lower rate for electricity. I was lucky that I had 220 already in my garage, I just had to change over the plugs to the Nema 14-50's and swap out a breaker after confirming the 6 AWG wires in the wall. Did mine myself and got the rebate for the install. And now I get a break from SCE on my rate through their time of use program, it's starts at 9pm so I program my car to start charging at 9 and have a full charge everyday when I wake up.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

That jargon has been around the better part of 2 decades.

No one can source 100% of their parts from the US. It is not even feasible or verifiable anymore.

Even if it could, the truck would cost more than double.

Like or hate Tesla this is what they do best. They are more American than any other car manufacture in the world, period. Tesla uses more American sourced parts to build their cars and in for North America they are either made in California or Texas. Tesla continues to be the Most American made car in the world. The Tesla Model Y is just as American as Baseball and Moms apple pie, even more than Chevrolet, Dodge and Ford.

There is no reason to quote me or argue these points with me... If you do, don't make it based on your personal feelings or opinions on Tesla. Let's just see facts or stats if you desire to correct me. Thanks..

 

[havasujeeper]

How much of Tesla parts are made in China?


95 per cent

Tesla said on the Chinese microblogging site Weibo that more than 95 per cent of the components supplied to the plant, its largest facility worldwide, are made in China.Sep 6, 2023

?????????

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How much of Tesla parts are made in China?


95 per cent

Tesla said on the Chinese microblogging site Weibo that more than 95 per cent of the components supplied to the plant, its largest facility worldwide, are made in China.Sep 6, 2023

?????????

That's the funny part.. Dan only looks at one sliver of data. Tesla's biggest factory is in China and that factory produces more than half of its cars.

While Dan claims his cotton shirt is made in America, but does not tell you that slaves are picking the cotton.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Like or hate Tesla this is what they do best. They are more American than any other car manufacture in the world, period. Tesla uses more American sourced parts to build their cars and in for North America they are either made in California or Texas. Tesla continues to be the Most American made car in the world. The Tesla Model Y is just as American as Baseball and Moms apple pie, even more than Chevrolet, Dodge and Ford.

There is no reason to quote me or argue these points with me... If you do, don't make it based on your personal feelings or opinions on Tesla. Let's just see facts or stats if you desire to correct me. Thanks..

Would you rather have your car have 5% less American sourced parts, or have the raw materials for your car procured via slave labor?

 

[Tom Slick]

That's the funny part.. Dan only looks at one sliver of data. Tesla's biggest factory is in China and that factory produces more than half of its cars.

While Dan claims his cotton shirt is made in America, but does not tell you that slaves are picking the cotton.

That's because the CCP owns Tesla.

 

[Ballyhoo]

Still electric

Getting its electricity from fossil fuel

 

[Ballyhoo]

You’re right we figured that wrong. Still a good deal:

But Model Y not Model 3.
Musk this morning just reduced the price.

Also buying out of NEW stock on the lot can get more options for a big discount.
I'll hear from her what she finally paid.

BTW:
We had no clue what our write offs would be until we sat down with our CPA. Dealer was no help.
Can’t blame the dealer, it’s screwball ciphering just like mine.

It’s now and for the moment based on price, where the car was built, KWH batteries.

The battery KW capacity blindsided us, didn’t see that coming. It's why some high performance EVs don't have more batteries for more range.
That will be the next fight with extremists.
They are already trying to limit that and HP.

Just need to find more kids in developing countries to mine Lithium and we are golden.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

That's the funny part.. Dan only looks at one sliver of data. Tesla's biggest factory is in China and that factory produces more than half of its cars.

While Dan claims his cotton shirt is made in America, but does not tell you that slaves are picking the cotton.

Tesla in Shanghai produces cars for that market over there in China not America...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tesla in Shanghai produces cars for that market over there in China not America...

That does not sound very American.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

That does not sound very American.

It's totally American...

 

[traquer]

Wait you actually use microfiber towels to dry your car? I've always thought those were overkill unless you have a super nice custom car or something. But I just use old school 100% cotton towels and never noticed any scratches. If I accidentally drop one though, it's going in the trash I'm not risking it.

I use this stuff though, wet everything down as a last step before I dry the car. It beads water so well and without water spots that a regular towel is enough to dry a whole car.

 

[Wicky]

you owda flom menu

 

[BingerFang]

Wait you actually use microfiber towels to dry your car? I've always thought those were overkill unless you have a super nice custom car or something. But I just use old school 100% cotton towels and never noticed any scratches. If I accidentally drop one though, it's going in the trash I'm not risking it.

I use this stuff though, wet everything down as a last step before I dry the car. It beads water so well and without water spots that a regular towel is enough to dry a whole car.

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Yes I use microfibers to dry my 2011 Silverado with 286,000 miles on it.

They are huge and are only like 7 bucks from harbor freight…

Only the best for ol’ whitey

 

[traquer]

Yes I use microfibers to dry my 2011 Silverado with 286,000 miles on it.

They are huge and are only like 7 bucks from harbor freight…

Only the best for ol’ whitey

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Nice truck! Ok I've only ever bought the small microfibers and thought no way people use these lol. Thanks for the share I will get the big ones!

 

[BingerFang]

Nice truck! Ok I've only ever bought the small microfibers and thought no way people use these lol. Thanks for the share I will get the big ones!

Thanks! You will not be disappointed!

 

[havasujeeper]

New YorkCNN —
The Justice Department is investigating whether or not Tesla cars can live up to the EPA’s official estimates of how far they can go on a single charge.

In the company’s most recent SEC filing, it disclosed that the DOJ is looking at questions surrounding a number of issues, including “vehicle range.”

 

[TPC]

When I was in High School one summer I worked at Kinney shoes.

We sold shoes for the private school uniforms. We had high end shoes and cheap knock offs at 1/3 the price.
Then the schools required only the high end shoes would be permitted.
Store doubled the price.

Our Girls were going to Alemany private school and we bought their uniforms at the garment district in Los Angeles.

Some knock-offs, some factory "seconds". Cheaper than buying at the school store, way cheaper and the girls were growing out of them fast. Shirts, pants, dresses, athletic tops, swimsuits, shorts and shoes. Cheerleading ensemble' cost a payroll check.

Then the schools required all the cloths have the schools logo on all uniform items.

Knock offs no longer would work and the factory outlet was prohibited from selling them that way.

Prices soared. Serious bank.

Forcing EVs on people - the same has happened.

 

[TPC]

Wife had a "diseased organ transplant" conference(s)/seminars in Anaheim.

So I walk across the street to CA Adventure and have a draft Modello and the Birria Tacos. (BTW $35.)

You can wait in the long ass line for food,, or mobile order on your cell phone walk up to a window and good to go.

Can't get internet so I use the Disney WiFi.
I'll get back to that.

So you're supposed to not discharge your EV to less than 10% and usually just charge to 80% daily use,

On trips and once a month charge to 100% to exercise the battery and prevent memory is usually, not always the rule.

So WTF, use the free charging wife gets at the Walmart 2.1 miles away and run it up to 100%. Save the $17 for a 300 mile range charge.

Disney WiFi disabled the cell features on the iphone, did not reset them and there we were, could not get the public Electrify America charger to talk to our phones and work. We had no clue why.

Took a while to figure it out,, then reset the phone manually,, finally got the car to charge.

Another charging fuckstory.

While charging others pulled up with the same issue.