Drugs are bad, second pal lost a kid now.

[Wicky]

Private contracted shelters or dope halfway houses are a fucking gold mine!
Usually subsidized and ALWAYS a backlog of returning customers.
It’s a no brainer.
It’s like owning a body shop in Phoenix…NEVER a slow day!

No. Not even close to being accurate.

Well alrighty then. I beg to differ.

 

[Wicky]

120 days minimum in a drug treatment residence.
Anything less and it’s a waste of time.

Girls probably much longer if it’ll work at all.

Girls don’t reset like boys do. Ask anyone involved in the treatment. When girls check out it’s usually a one way street.

98% of all people in rehab are court ordered. It is all about the money and the system. You can't force anyone to quit anything they don't want to quit.

 

[Wicky]

I can’t speak for all the dead teenagers or young adults that have lost their life so far, however, my 15 year old niece that passed away 2 months ago, one week after her birthday, died after taking an illegally purchased drug from Snapchat. She was never legally prescribed opioids prior.

That sux brother. Sorry to hear this. Do you know what she thought she was ordering?

 

[Wicky]

Mostly due to the fact that "regular" weed users already had and like there suppliers and the additional cost of "legal weed" doesn't appeal to them.

$50oz vs $400pz with tax and profit. That is why, with emphasis on tax.

 

[Wicky]

I don't get it.

When I was doing facilities management I met a beautiful woman crying her eyes out because her equally beautiful daughter had been arrested for breaking and entering to support a HEROIN habit in Simi Valley! This was 10 years ago, I did not even know Heroin was a thing.

Fast forward to last summer our middle daughter's husband is doing the junkie sway in the kitchen because he decided to take a vacation in his head with some morphine he swiped at work! We are talking about a guy who has everything going for him and a good family. This one left me speechless.

If you are playing with drugs you are a dumbass and if you are buying them on the street death is around the corner.

Same can be said for an experimental jab the govt shoved down so many throats. Hell, kid died from Benedryl OD yesterday. You can die from drinking too much water. Happens a lot more than you would think.

 

[Wicky]

Alcohol is the most widely abused DRUG on the planet. Whoever says they don't do drugs, I hope they don't drink alcohol, or they are lyin' throught their teeth. 100k people die each year from it. Where is the outrage?

 

[pronstar]

Man I really didn't want to open this thread

 

[Wicky]

Prescription Opioids and Heroin​

Prescription opioids and heroin are chemically similar and can produce a similar high. In some places, heroin is cheaper and easier to get than prescription opioids, so some people switch to using heroin instead. Data from 2011 showed that an estimated 4 to 6 percent who misuse prescription opioids switch to heroin1,2,3 and about 80 percent of people who used heroin first misused prescription opioids.1,2,3 More recent data suggest that heroin is frequently the first opioid people use. In a study of those entering treatment for opioid use disorder, approximately one-third reported heroin as the first opioid they used regularly to get high.4
This suggests that prescription opioid misuse is just one factor leading to heroin use. Read more about this intertwined problem in our Prescription Opioids and Heroin Research Report.

Can I take prescription opioids if I'm pregnant?​

If a woman uses prescription opioids when she's pregnant, the baby could develop dependence and have withdrawal symptoms after birth. This is called neonatal abstinence syndrome, which can be treated with medicines. Use during pregnancy can also lead to miscarriage and low birth weight. Read more in the Substance Use in Women Research Report.
It can be difficult for a person with an opioid addiction to quit, but pregnant women who seek treatment have better outcomes than those who quit abruptly. Methadone and buprenorphine are the standard of care to treat opioid-dependent pregnant women. Methadone or buprenorphine maintenance combined with prenatal care and a comprehensive drug treatment program can improve many of the adverse outcomes associated with untreated opioid addiction. If a woman is unable to quit before becoming pregnant, treatment with methadone or buprenorphine during pregnancy improves the chances of having a healthier baby at birth.
In general, it is important to closely monitor women who are trying to quit drug use during pregnancy and to provide treatment as needed.

Tolerance vs. Dependence vs. Addiction​

Long-term use of prescription opioids, even as prescribed by a doctor, can cause some people to develop a tolerance, which means that they need higher and/or more frequent doses of the drug to get the desired effects.
Drug dependence occurs with repeated use, causing the neurons to adapt so they only function normally in the presence of the drug. The absence of the drug causes several physiological reactions, ranging from mild in the case of caffeine, to potentially life threatening, such as with heroin. Some chronic pain patients are dependent on opioids and require medical support to stop taking the drug.
Drug addiction is a chronic disease characterized by compulsive, or uncontrollable, drug seeking and use despite harmful consequences and long-lasting changes in the brain. The changes can result in harmful behaviors by those who misuse drugs, whether prescription or illicit drugs.

Can a person overdose on prescription opioids?​

Yes, a person can overdose on prescription opioids. An opioid overdose occurs when a person uses enough of the drug to produce life-threatening symptoms or death. When people overdose on an opioid medication, their breathing often slows or stops. This can decrease the amount of oxygen that reaches the brain, which can result in coma, permanent brain damage, or death.

How can an opioid overdose be treated?​

If you suspect someone has overdosed, the most important step to take is to call 911 so he or she can receive immediate medical attention. Once medical personnel arrive, they will administer naloxone. Naloxone is a medicine that can treat an opioid overdose when given right away. It works by rapidly binding to opioid receptors and blocking the effects of opioid drugs. Naloxone is available as an injectable (needle) solution and nasal sprays (NARCAN® Nasal Spray and KLOXXADO®).
Some states have passed laws that allow pharmacists to dispense naloxone without a personal prescription. Friends, family, and others in the community can use the nasal spray versions of naloxone to save someone who is overdosing.
Read more in our Naloxone DrugFacts.

Can use of prescription opioids lead to addiction?​

Yes, repeated misuse of prescription opioids can lead to a substance use disorder (SUD), a medical illness which ranges from mild to severe and from temporary to chronic. Addiction is the most severe form of an SUD. An SUD develops when continued misuse of the drug changes the brain and causes health problems and failure to meet responsibilities at work, school, or home.
People addicted to an opioid medication who stop using the drug can have severe withdrawal symptoms that begin as early as a few hours after the drug was last taken. These symptoms include:

• muscle and bone pain
• sleep problems
• diarrhea and vomiting
• cold flashes with goose bumps
• uncontrollable leg movements
• severe cravings

These symptoms can be extremely uncomfortable and are the reason many people find it so difficult to stop using opioids. There are medicines being developed to help with the withdrawal process, including lofexidine, a non-opioid medicine designed to reduce opioid withdrawal symptoms that was approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 2018. The FDA has also approved sale of a device, NSS-2 Bridge, that can help ease withdrawal symptoms. The NSS-2 Bridge is a small electrical nerve stimulator placed behind the person’s ear, that can be used for up to five days during the acute withdrawal phase.

What type of treatment can people get for addiction to prescription opioids?​

A range of treatments including medicines and behavioral therapies are effective in helping people with opioid addiction.
Medications for opioid use disorders are safe, effective, and save lives. These medicines interact with the same opioid receptors in the brain on which other prescription opioids act. However, depending on the prescription drug(s) an individual develops an addiction to, these medicines taken as prescribed may not produce the same effects as other prescription opioids do when they are misused.

• Methadone, an opioid receptor full agonist, attaches to and activates opioid receptors to ease withdrawal symptoms and cravings.
• Buprenorphine, an opioid receptor partial agonist, attaches to and partially activates opioid receptors to ease withdrawal symptoms and cravings.
• Naltrexone, an opioid receptor antagonist, prevents opioids from attaching to opioid receptors, thus blocking their effects.

Learn more about medications for opioid overdose, withdrawal and addiction.
Behavioral therapies for addiction to prescription opioids help people modify their attitudes and behaviors related to drug use, increase healthy life skills, and persist with other forms of treatment, such as medication. Some examples include, cognitive behavioral therapy which helps modify the patient's drug use expectations and behaviors, and also effectively manage triggers and stress. Multidimensional family therapy, developed for adolescents with drug use problems, addresses a range of personal and family influences on one's drug use patterns and is designed to improve overall functioning. These behavioral treatment approaches have proven effective, especially when used along with medicines. Read more about drug addiction treatment on the Treatment webpage.

Points to Remember​

• Prescription opioids are used mostly to treat moderate to severe pain, though some opioids can be used to treat coughing and diarrhea.
• People misuse prescription opioids by taking the medicine in a way other than prescribed, taking someone else's prescription, or taking the medicine to get high. When misusing a prescription opioid, a person may swallow, inject, or snort the drug.
• Opioids bind to and activate opioid receptors on cells located in the brain, spinal cord, and other organs in the body, especially those involved in feelings of pain and pleasure, and can strongly reinforce the act of taking the drug, making the user want to repeat the experience.
• People who use prescription opioids can feel relaxed and happy, but also experience drowsiness, confusion, nausea, constipation, and slowed breathing.
• Prescription opioids have effects similar to heroin. While prescription opioid misuse is a risk factor for starting heroin use, only a small fraction of people who misuse opioid pain relievers switch to heroin.
• A person can overdose on prescription opioids. Naloxone is a medicine that can treat an opioid overdose when given right away.
• Prescription opioid use, even when used as prescribed by a doctor can lead to a substance use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Withdrawal symptoms include muscle and bone pain, sleep problems, diarrhea and vomiting, and severe cravings.
• A range of treatments including medicines and behavioral therapies are effective in helping people with an opioid use disorder.

Learn More​

For more information about opioid medications, see our:

• Commonly Used Drugs chart
• Misuse of Prescription Drugs Research Report

References​

1. Muhuri PK, Gfroerer JC, Davies MC. Associations of Nonmedical Pain Reliever Use and Initiation of Heroin Use in the United States. Rockville, MD: Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration; 2013. https://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/DR006/DR006/nonmedical-pain-reliever-use-2013.htm. Accessed May 13, 2016.
2. Cicero TJ, Ellis MS, Surratt HL, Kurtz SP. The Changing Face of Heroin Use in the United States: A Retrospective Analysis of the Past 50 Years. JAMA Psychiatry. 2014;71(7):821-826. doi:10.1001/jamapsychiatry.2014.366.
3. Carlson RG, Nahhas RW, Martins SS, Daniulaityte R. Predictors of transition to heroin use among non-opioid dependent illicit pharmaceutical opioid users: A natural history study. Drug Alcohol Depend. 2016;160:127-134. doi:10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2015.12.026.
4. Cicero TJ, Ellis MS, Kasper ZA. Increased use of heroin as an initiating opioid of abuse. Addict Behav. 2017 Nov;74:63-66. doi: 10.1016/j.addbeh.2017.05.030. Epub 2017 May 23. PubMed PMID: 28582659. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28582659

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Who's dying from smoking weed? I think that's pretty far reach from the legalization of synthetic Opiates.


Not most but some and that is what makes it more sad.
That’s the way it happened to my best friend who was my roommate for years, best man at my wedding and best river buddy.
In a group of misfits, he always wanted to be a cop, he graduated with an administration of justice degree at SDSU but ended up going to work in the family business as knee problems from football kept him back. This was the kind of guy who would stand in front of your car if he thought you were trying to drive away drunk. The only guy I knew in High school and college that didn’t take even 1 rip of weed. Ever.
He got to the point where chewing vicodin prescriptions didn’t help the knees. He started going to multiple doctors paying cash off insurance for pain meds. It all went downhill from there. We tried multiple interventions etc. He begged and borrowed from everyone to support his habit and burned almost every bridge he had. He lost everything including a great girl he had been engaged to. One night he hit a parked car and a got dui. He was released 8 hours later and ate some pills before going to get his truck out of impound. He left the tow yard and hit a woman getting out of her car on the street. DUI #2 within 12 hours, That one was DUI with great bodily injury and he did over a year in jail. He he did one more sentence after his fiancé left and it took that jail time and moving to a family ranch in Nevada to get himself clean.
We don’t talk but I miss the guy he used to be.

There is a movie called "A Leaf of Faith". It is all about the Bell brothers(worlds strongest power lifters) and Mike Bell tells his story and there are sooo many in soirts, hust like your friend.

 

[Wicky]

Have you seen the studies on the affects of modern weed on developing brains? There are reams of findings, none of which are good.

More to the point, if weed legalization worked so well, why is it still sold illegally so prevalently?

Why would we think legalizing any other drug would somehow help regulate it, when it is clear it did not do much.

If you believe anything these days that the medical industry claims, be aware.

Have you seen the studies on the affects of modern weed on developing brains? There are reams of findings, none of which are good.

More to the point, if weed legalization worked so well, why is it still sold illegally so prevalently?

Why would we think legalizing any other drug would somehow help regulate it, when it is clear it did not do much.

Unfortunately, studies are paid and bought for. Got Fauci? Hell, 3 of us put together $50k to pay a lobbyist in AZ on a Wed. By Friday morning, the legal verbage, in the bill that would have made Kratom illegal in AZ, was extracted. The bill was passed that afternoon. Had we not done our due dilligence. Bye bye kratom.

 

[badgas]

Correct but they happen every day as does drug use. Saying that people shouldn't do illegal drugs is a nice sentiment but it's not reality. What can be done is to try and stop the inflow of Fentanyl. If the Mexican cartels were lobbing bombs over the border and killing Americans the government would act and stop them. How is this different just because they are using pills instead?

It's not different regarding entry of these drugs into the US and that is a whole different problem.

However taking drugs be it pills, snorting, smoking, shooting up. they are all playing Russian roulette these days.

Really is a tragic loss.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you believe anything these days that the medical industry claims, be aware.

Unfortunately, studies are paid and bought for. Got Fauci? Hell, 3 of us put together $50k to pay a lobbyist in AZ on a Wed. By Friday morning, the legal verbage, in the bill that would have made Kratom illegal in AZ, was extracted. The bill was passed that afternoon. Had we not done our due dilligence. Bye bye kratom.

It does not take a scientist or a the medical industry to tell me that systematically putting chemicals into the body, especially a developing one is a bad thing for development.

As you already pointed out.. too much of anything is bad.

 

[poncho]

I'm sure our story resembles countless others. My Wifes Mother was going through chemo etc. for breast cancer in the early 2000's and was prescribed oxy's for pain.
No one in her family had ever done anything more than drink alcohol, immigrants that came to the US (legally) from England in the early 70's.
Her Granddaughters who I dubbed the Hilton sisters with Playboy bodies were spoiled rotten and crazy popular.

My first hint of a problem was one day when I went over to her house for what she called afternoon tea (glass of wine and a biscuit). I mentioned to Shirley I had a killer headache and did she have some Advil?...She brought out a bottle of Oxy's and said this is much better. I shit when I saw the label, Shirley that is a very dangerous narcotic and no I don't need that. She went on to tell me it helps Laura (Granddaughter) when she has migraines, you can guess the rest.

That poor lady created a drug addict and had no idea, I miss Shirley dearly, she was a 1% person you meet in life, over a thousand people attended her funeral and I'm still known 23 years later as the guy that married Shirleys daughter in our town. In a way I'm glad Shirley wasn't there to see the monster that her Granddaughter became.

That is how I came to have secondary custody of her kids and sadly she went on to have more children that the state pays for.