Drugs are bad, second pal lost a kid now.

[Deckin Around]

This thread needs a puppy picture

 

[Neverbowdown]

Let's face reality shall we?

If you're here on a board about Havasu and the river, you most likely did drugs as a kid.

We all tried it cause it was fun! Same reason the kids do today.

So now that we get the attraction, it's all about being fully upfront and honest with our kids...

I told em what I did. How fun it was, and that I'm Damm lucky I didn't die from being a complete idiot back in the day.

Also told them how drugs are Very different today...

You don't die from doing stupid shit (while you are high), you die from the drugs themselves.

Big difference.

I told em nobody grows up Wanting to be a drug addict when they grow up, it happens from taking something just to have fun, and Then becoming addicted to it!!!

So what's the solution?

Don't try em. There is NO way to know before hand, wether something will kill you, or you'll become addicted to it.

Why take that risk?

Just say no and remember who you really wanna be when you grow up.

Stick to the plan and live happy.

Here Here!!!
Couldn't have worded it any more perfect myself. We are all scared shitless of our kids putting us through the pain we put our parents through.........

 

[Neverbowdown]

Whether you believe America is at war with drugs or it's an inconceivable victory, whether you partied as a reckless teenager or you were allegedly "Straight as an arrow" throughout your childhood, the bottom line is parents, sisters, brothers, cousins etc etc are being forced to deal with losses that are sometimes unexplainable. We all need to realize that this drug is not only utilized to be a cheap substitute to or enhance the euphoria of whatever people decide to lace with this shit, it is also nearly invisible to the naked eye. A person, regardless of age, religion, political preference, gender, race, wealth, prefer Chevy or Ford, upbringing or otherwise, can be exposed to this crap at a lethal level without even knowing it. This substance can simply be a residue on a doorknob and if it enters a portal into your body by wiping your nose or rubbing your eye, you can be poisoned as innocently as the rain. We don't need to argue or debate the correct way to deal with this globally, we need to educate and protect those that hold our hearts in the palm of their hands every day. We cannot count on any entity here on Earth to save us from this real epidemic and we damn sure don't keep Narcan in our pockets (Even if Newscum issues each early parolee a pair when they parole, whether they were drug addicts or not), so we are forced to rely on our own communication abilities with our loved ones.

 

[rivermobster]

Normally I side with you on many topics, but not this one.

Just because you "Enjoy the river and boating" does not mean you did drugs. I am an example of that. I NEVER smoked marijuana or did ANY form of illicit drug. I never have and I never will.

Wanna know why? Because my older cousin threatened my life at a young age. He said if I did any of those things, he would kick my ass beyond recognition. That's all it took for me to stay away from that shit. He scared me straight and I'm thankful for him and that conversation we had. I was 13 and he was 16.

He was my idol growing up and he was one of the better things that's ever happened to me. People need to have folks in their life that are good examples, someone to look up to or a role model. I had that and am both lucky and thankful.

Today, it's a mess. Drugs are never going to stop flowing into this country. It's too lucrative for all involved. "They" don't care about you, your family or your kids. They care about only one thing, and that's your money.

Carry on.

Well...

Since my son is Way bigger than me...

And two belts away from his black belt in martial arts...

Threatening him with violence, probably wouldn't turn out too well for me...

 

[NicPaus]

Hit up Walter white to make that shit clean

Lol. My buddies code name for coke was Walter. Derived from Walton one of the Lakers he used to snort blow with.

Used to be weed and blow. Now it's Heroin and pills at the local high schools. Lost one of my best friends to Heroin-fentanyl overdose. And have many friends that have lost there siblings to the H. There still alive just zombies.

I remember in high-school I was 14 and got caught smoking weed. My Mom brought Me to her work. She was a drug detox nurse at Kaiser Carson. It was a eye opener for sure. She had lots of stories about Heroin addicts and PCP addicts. Back then it wasn't that popular. Now the zombie apocalypse is real. 60% of the homeless are heroin addicts. 30% induced schizos and 10% miscellaneous.

 

[Backlash]

Lol. My buddies code name for coke was Walter. Derived from Walton one of the Lakers he used to snort blow with.

Used to be weed and blow. Now it's Heroin and pills at the local high schools. Lost one of my best friends to Heroin-fentanyl overdose. And have many friends that have lost there siblings to the H. There still alive just zombies.

I remember in high-school I was 14 and got caught smoking weed. My Mom brought Me to her work. She was a drug detox nurse at Kaiser Carson. It was a eye opener for sure. She had lots of stories about Heroin addicts and PCP addicts. Back then it wasn't that popular. Now the zombie apocalypse is real. 60% of the homeless are heroin addicts. 30% induced schizos and 10% miscellaneous.

You would be surprised at how many people are addicted to heroin. It's more common than you'd imagine.

I ran a call last week where a 50 year old man was projectile vomiting all over his house. Bedroom, bathroom, dining room, living room..... His wife eventually said he had taken a couple hits of heroin and followed it up with some crystal. He muttered "I must have gotten some bad meth." He was in rough shape.

A fine allocation of emergency services.....

 

[Havasu Surfer]

I attended a funeral about two weeks ago for my friends 20 year old son, he got messed up with some hard drugs, rehab stints, some jail time and ended up taking his own life during a relapse.

Just heard from another buddy who’s 23 year old daughter passed yesterday from fentanyl overdose. She’s been wrapped up in the drugs stuff for a few years, went to jail for a bit as well. Was doing pretty well recently and relapsed with a fatal overdoes.

Now both of these kids came from good engaged family’s, siblings are doing fine in the world. It’s very scary to see this type of stuff, back in my day it was “just say no” campaign, or red ribbon week. Now who knows

I’ve had open and honest talks with my daughter about drugs, some kids at her junior high are hitting vape pens in the bathrooms, I told her you don’t know what’s in those things and it could kill you on the spot.

I watched both of these recently passed young adults grow up since they were born, the parents are devaststed and as a friend I’m at a loss for words. As a parent it’s down right terrifying to think about, but this shit happens and only thing I can think about is to use these tragic situations as examples with my own kid and get out in front of this stuff.

Thoughts?

I support your approach and have done the same with my kids, total success with one so far and the other dabbles with nic vap from time to time. He is by no means an angel and dabbled with weed and alcohol but never was addicted. Before he moved out for junior college I went at him hard. Confiscated any pens I discovered, shut down his weekend privileges and highjacked his car. He once got nailed by school staff for being drunk at a football game and was given the option to attend Drug Awareness Education which I attended with him. He lost all privileges for 2 months and it seemed to make an impact. The classes taught us parents a few new things to be on the watch for and techniques implement. Consequences shouldn't impact your quality of life just theirs and what patterns to keep an eye on. We do not condone underage drinking, but he is independently figuring out life now in his own place where he pays rent. He is now doing well in school and only has a few drinks occasionally on the weekends which isn't ideal but realistic outcome from our standpoint since we indulge. He works 30-35 hours and week and is a full time student which keeps him busy enough to avoid bad patterns. Bottom line, stay on it even if it temporarily impacts the relationship. They will thank you later on. Good luck and prayers for your friend's loss.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Old friend from HS, ER physician, developed a pretty revolutionary app for healthcare....but always had some demons was found dead in his office chair last year. Only child, parents were Indian immigrants.. He was not a bad guy...his level of partying was excessive at times but he did so much for so many...only to die from a fentanyl OD... I will never ever forget the call about it from his parents, that level of pain in their voices is enough to say its not worth it. Wish any of us would have known he was still into it, It's ate at me the last year that none of us had a clue.

 

[TPC]

The “everybody did drugs” take is nonsense. It makes users feel better to say that.
More than 80% of the people on RDP did not “do” drugs.

I’ve noticed the biggest user on here has backed off defending abuse. It finally came back to bite him and his wife and his kids on the ass. The whole famdamly were serious users. Probably a really bad episode. The Narcan wasn't the safety back up they thought it was.

It’s got to the point drugs decide who our friends are. That decision is on them not us. Drug users don’t want to associate with non abusers, not the other way around.

Almost lost this child to drugs. Burned his brain out. Not 50% of the kid he used to be and he ain’t coming back to normal:

Back when the girls in schools voted cutest boy he always won that, top basketball player, undefeated state chess champion, spectacular MX rider, smart, generous and fun kid.

We almost lost him to drugs.
If the cops didn’t bust him and him spending time in jail he’d be dead now. He did not like jail. We've met other parents who experienced the same.

The take “we can’t arrest our way out of this problem” won’t cure it but it helped us (and others) get our child back. Even if ya only get 50% of them back, we got him back.

Show me their friends, I'll show you their future.

 

[whiteworks]

I had a good chat with my buddy tonight, he’s had a day to start processing this and I figured maybe we could unpack the situation a bit if was willing to talk about it.

Reality is he’s been prepared for this for a few years now, he said he is sort of relieved that she’s not out on the streets doing whatever now as that was really a hard thing to deal with as a parent, but this was a huge shock that it finally happened. She had been in jail last year, typical druggie stuff, we’d talk and he’d tell me she was a piece of shit, but it was his little girl, he took a tough love approach and didn’t give an inch as she would just take a mile. She ended up getting pregnant last year, baby was born addicted to drugs, CPS took the baby, my friend had been working in the background preparing to take full custody of his grandson and did so immediately, there were some issues but baby was okay. 6 months in baby dies, SIDS. (Sudden infant death syndrome) that really devastated he and his wife who had fallen in love with their grandson and were 100% dedicated to raising him, with or without the daughters involvement (dependent on her drug use)

He said they will be performing an autopsy soon, but he’s pretty sure she was doing fentanyl with horse tranquilizer and her safety net of narcan didn’t work. He also told me that heroin doesn’t exist out on the streets anymore, it’s straight up fentanyl they are chasing now and well aware of what they are doing. She had been in a sober living house, had court ordered drug testing and all the stuff that goes with it, she was doing well as far as he knew, came over for dinner last week and all was normal. After reaching out to some of her druggie people, he found out she had been dabbling and working the system this whole time.

He has three other sons, two still in the house that are elementary age, they are all good kids and bummed about their sisters passing. The first two kids this girl and his oldest son were born when he was 18 right out of highschool, girl friend pregnant, married that summer, bought a house and went to work, never missed a beat just started really young. The girl was an adorable little one, didn’t really have issues with her until after high school when she began using, then it was an instant shit show like TPC has eluded too, zero to one hundred over night and never hit the brakes.

Just for reference this isn’t SoCal, he pulled the pin and moved to Idaho to raise his kids 20 years ago. This dope problem is everywhere, not just fast paced big cities. Idaho doesn’t mess around as far as legal system goes, stuff that you get a hall pass in Cali for you go to prison for there. Policy doesn’t seem to be the answer, however lack of policy definitely isn’t the answer.

I almost think we need an area, remember that movie escape from New York? All the druggies can live there rent free with all the dope they want, free for all and no safety nets. You want to live like that, have at it and do it away from the rest of society, you want out you can work some program and test clean to come back to the real world, I dunno what the answer is…….

 

[was thatguy]

They can't keep drugs out of prisons regardless of the state. Not sure how they are going to keep it away from the rest of society with a war on drugs that started in June of 1971 and has by any reasonable measure failed.




https://www.npr.org/2021/07/15/1015447281/overdose-deaths-state-prisons-increase

Who’s “they”?

 

[DWC]

It really is terrifying. Kids being kids and doing dumb stuff is or was part of the growing up process. What is going on now is on a whole other level. I just talk to my boys and pray.

Couldn’t agree more. I did enough stupid stuff that what’s going on scares the hell out of me. Our youngest (22) got back from Coachella yesterday. I might have told him more than a few times to be careful.

 

[Mr. C]

The “everybody did drugs” take is nonsense. It makes users feel better to say that.
More than 80% of the people on RDP did not “do” drugs.

IMHO. your numbers are pretty close to being backwards.
I'm not saying most were daily drug users , but i would bet more like 80% had tried or did drugs
of some sort growing up.

 

[Shlbyntro]

I had a good chat with my buddy tonight, he’s had a day to start processing this and I figured maybe we could unpack the situation a bit if was willing to talk about it.

Reality is he’s been prepared for this for a few years now, he said he is sort of relieved that she’s not out on the streets doing whatever now as that was really a hard thing to deal with as a parent, but this was a huge shock that it finally happened. She had been in jail last year, typical druggie stuff, we’d talk and he’d tell me she was a piece of shit, but it was his little girl, he took a tough love approach and didn’t give an inch as she would just take a mile. She ended up getting pregnant last year, baby was born addicted to drugs, CPS took the baby, my friend had been working in the background preparing to take full custody of his grandson and did so immediately, there were some issues but baby was okay. 6 months in baby dies, SIDS. (Sudden infant death syndrome) that really devastated he and his wife who had fallen in love with their grandson and were 100% dedicated to raising him, with or without the daughters involvement (dependent on her drug use)

He said they will be performing an autopsy soon, but he’s pretty sure she was doing fentanyl with horse tranquilizer and her safety net of narcan didn’t work. He also told me that heroin doesn’t exist out on the streets anymore, it’s straight up fentanyl they are chasing now and well aware of what they are doing. She had been in a sober living house, had court ordered drug testing and all the stuff that goes with it, she was doing well as far as he knew, came over for dinner last week and all was normal. After reaching out to some of her druggie people, he found out she had been dabbling and working the system this whole time.

He has three other sons, two still in the house that are elementary age, they are all good kids and bummed about their sisters passing. The first two kids this girl and his oldest son were born when he was 18 right out of highschool, girl friend pregnant, married that summer, bought a house and went to work, never missed a beat just started really young. The girl was an adorable little one, didn’t really have issues with her until after high school when she began using, then it was an instant shit show like TPC has eluded too, zero to one hundred over night and never hit the brakes.

Just for reference this isn’t SoCal, he pulled the pin and moved to Idaho to raise his kids 20 years ago. This dope problem is everywhere, not just fast paced big cities. Idaho doesn’t mess around as far as legal system goes, stuff that you get a hall pass in Cali for you go to prison for there. Policy doesn’t seem to be the answer, however lack of policy definitely isn’t the answer.

I almost think we need an area, remember that movie escape from New York? All the druggies can live there rent free with all the dope they want, free for all and no safety nets. You want to live like that, have at it and do it away from the rest of society, you want out you can work some program and test clean to come back to the real world, I dunno what the answer is…….

Tore my family apart, and in some ways recently brought it somewhat back together. There is still a very long road ahead for us though with many ups and downs to come, Im sure of it.

 

[was thatguy]

I had a good chat with my buddy tonight, he’s had a day to start processing this and I figured maybe we could unpack the situation a bit if was willing to talk about it.

Reality is he’s been prepared for this for a few years now, he said he is sort of relieved that she’s not out on the streets doing whatever now as that was really a hard thing to deal with as a parent, but this was a huge shock that it finally happened. She had been in jail last year, typical druggie stuff, we’d talk and he’d tell me she was a piece of shit, but it was his little girl, he took a tough love approach and didn’t give an inch as she would just take a mile. She ended up getting pregnant last year, baby was born addicted to drugs, CPS took the baby, my friend had been working in the background preparing to take full custody of his grandson and did so immediately, there were some issues but baby was okay. 6 months in baby dies, SIDS. (Sudden infant death syndrome) that really devastated he and his wife who had fallen in love with their grandson and were 100% dedicated to raising him, with or without the daughters involvement (dependent on her drug use)

He said they will be performing an autopsy soon, but he’s pretty sure she was doing fentanyl with horse tranquilizer and her safety net of narcan didn’t work. He also told me that heroin doesn’t exist out on the streets anymore, it’s straight up fentanyl they are chasing now and well aware of what they are doing. She had been in a sober living house, had court ordered drug testing and all the stuff that goes with it, she was doing well as far as he knew, came over for dinner last week and all was normal. After reaching out to some of her druggie people, he found out she had been dabbling and working the system this whole time.

He has three other sons, two still in the house that are elementary age, they are all good kids and bummed about their sisters passing. The first two kids this girl and his oldest son were born when he was 18 right out of highschool, girl friend pregnant, married that summer, bought a house and went to work, never missed a beat just started really young. The girl was an adorable little one, didn’t really have issues with her until after high school when she began using, then it was an instant shit show like TPC has eluded too, zero to one hundred over night and never hit the brakes.

Just for reference this isn’t SoCal, he pulled the pin and moved to Idaho to raise his kids 20 years ago. This dope problem is everywhere, not just fast paced big cities. Idaho doesn’t mess around as far as legal system goes, stuff that you get a hall pass in Cali for you go to prison for there. Policy doesn’t seem to be the answer, however lack of policy definitely isn’t the answer.

I almost think we need an area, remember that movie escape from New York? All the druggies can live there rent free with all the dope they want, free for all and no safety nets. You want to live like that, have at it and do it away from the rest of society, you want out you can work some program and test clean to come back to the real world, I dunno what the answer is…….

That’s is freaking rough, even for my heartless self.
You are correct. No one, no class, no race, no kid, no parents, and no family in anywhere USA is immune from this.
Honestly, my empathy is gone.
I have almost no emotion when I read this stuff anymore.
Death is part of life. I’ve lost so many people the only close ones left are my kids and grandkids.
I’ve been lucky in that respect, so far. I don’t have a lot of hope for my oldest grandson, the younger ones seem solid so far but they aren’t quite teenagers.
When I see people like Debbie, and the little boy in Bowties threads, and outnumbered deteriorate and die, from illness beyond their control, it makes me almost not even care about drug deaths. Everyone is someone’s kid, grief is always a symptom of life.

The cure? I don’t know.
I guess the only thing left to do is take matters into our own hands…but this isn’t the 1800’s and we can’t just shoot drug dealers, child molesters, perverted teachers, politicians, etc. Can we?
The Oracle is right, the “war on drugs” isn’t a war at all, but legalizing across the board isn’t an option either.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It wouldn't stop but imagine how many fewer deaths there would be if a person could buy clean narcotics instead of off the black market.

Prohibition never works.

That’s worked so well for weed.

 

[was thatguy]

It wouldn't stop but imagine how many fewer deaths there would be if a person could buy clean narcotics instead of off the black market.

Prohibition never works.

How?
Junkies can’t afford clean dope.
Dealers can, and will garbage it up and cut it to death with poison and kill just as many zombies as now.
The “government” has never been very good a dope dealing, and contracting to private entities is a wide open door for the cartels to continue to operate via violence and death.

So what then? Government free dope centers?
Who’s going to provide security for that?
You’ve seen what the natives do inside a Target or Walmart, can you imagine the assault on a clean drug center?

 

[BIGRED9158]

Couldn’t agree more. I did enough stupid stuff that what’s going on scares the hell out of me. Our youngest (22) got back from Coachella yesterday. I might have told him more than a few times to be careful.

When I was a emt I worked Coachella one year and someone was handing out laced water bottles filled with pcp

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When I was a emt I worked Coachella one year and someone was handing out laced water bottles filled with pcp

Did you tell the victims it was their fault because they made the decision to take illegal drugs?

This is exactly the kind of crap that kills people.

 

[beaverretriever]

Crazy, my father told me when I was young if I ever do drugs that he would disown me. I look up to him so much that's all it took. I could never imagine my life without my pops in it and to this day, I've never even smoked a joint.

To be fair I do drink but not a lot.

 

[Your ad here]

When I was a emt I worked Coachella one year and someone was handing out laced water bottles filled with pcp

And this why you don't eat or drink anything from strangers!

 

[havasujeeper]

IMHO. your numbers are pretty close to being backwards.
I'm not saying most were daily drug users , but i would bet more like 80% had tried or did drugs
of some sort growing up.

It would be interesting to post a poll here at RDP, where folks could be honest with complete anonymity on their past drug usage.

 

[poncho]

Lol. My buddies code name for coke was Walter. Derived from Walton one of the Lakers he used to snort blow with.

Used to be weed and blow. Now it's Heroin and pills at the local high schools. Lost one of my best friends to Heroin-fentanyl overdose. And have many friends that have lost there siblings to the H. There still alive just zombies.

I remember in high-school I was 14 and got caught smoking weed. My Mom brought Me to her work. She was a drug detox nurse at Kaiser Carson. It was a eye opener for sure. She had lots of stories about Heroin addicts and PCP addicts. Back then it wasn't that popular. Now the zombie apocalypse is real. 60% of the homeless are heroin addicts. 30% induced schizos and 10% miscellaneous.

My formative years were filled with TV ad campaigns designed to keep you away from heroin, it worked, my friends and I tried lots of things but none of us ever even considered heroin. I never took a 2nd pill of any kind, just didn't do it for me.
Watched lots of people ruin their lives and that probably kept me away from ever doing anything to the point where it was a problem, I feel lucky.

 

[poncho]

When I was a emt I worked Coachella one year and someone was handing out laced water bottles filled with pcp

When I was in high school I bought a joint at a party from someone I didn't know, my friend (girl) and I shared that joint and had a few drinks from what we called a panther piss party or spodi, everyone brings a bottle and adds to it, the host would mix gallons of fruit juices days before.
She and I woke up on my bed the next day fully clothed with no idea how we got to my house, scared the shit out of both of us.
Tried to find the guy to beat his ass but never caught up with him again.

 

[BIGRED9158]

And this why you don't eat or drink anything from strangers!

I agree with that statement but if it’s an ice cold coors light I am taking it

 

[Wicky]

Or maybe people should stop taking illegal drugs?

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most that are addicted to opiates or opioids, introduced to them legally, by a doctor?

 

[was thatguy]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most that are addicted to opiates or opioids, introduced to them legally, by a doctor?

I doubt that it’s “most”, certainly not with the younger drug addicts. I do know a few adults who struggled to get off the shit after bad accidents and injuries.
The kids did used to start out with Oxys mostly, but that was like 15 years ago.
No idea what they start with now.

 

[Your ad here]

That’s is freaking rough, even for my heartless self.
You are correct. No one, no class, no race, no kid, no parents, and no family in anywhere USA is immune from this.
Honestly, my empathy is gone.
I have almost no emotion when I read this stuff anymore.
Death is part of life. I’ve lost so many people the only close ones left are my kids and grandkids.
I’ve been lucky in that respect, so far. I don’t have a lot of hope for my oldest grandson, the younger ones seem solid so far but they aren’t quite teenagers.
When I see people like Debbie, and the little boy in Bowties threads, and outnumbered deteriorate and die, from illness beyond their control, it makes me almost not even care about drug deaths. Everyone is someone’s kid, grief is always a symptom of life.

The cure? I don’t know.
I guess the only thing left to do is take matters into our own hands…but this isn’t the 1800’s and we can’t just shoot drug dealers, child molesters, perverted teachers, politicians, etc. Can we?
The Oracle is right, the “war on drugs” isn’t a war at all, but legalizing across the board isn’t an option either.

I'm on the same page as you about disease vs. addiction. It can be a touchy subject with some. Addiction is not a disease, it's bad self control.

 

[poncho]

I'm on the same page as you about disease vs. addiction. It can be a touchy subject with some. Addiction is not a disease, it's bad self control.

I saw it firsthand in my 20's, one guy could do some lines have a good time and go home normal, the guy next to him is at the cash machine at 4am to get more.
I think some are predisposed and should never do some things ever, affects everyone different.

I'm not a halfway person, its usually all in full tilt, why I swore off most things at a young age, I know how I am and that's never been a life I want to live.

 

[rrrr]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most that are addicted to opiates or opioids, introduced to them legally, by a doctor?

No. Not even close to being accurate.

 

[rrrr]

I find myself worrying about my fifteen year old grandson doing drugs literally every day.

I curse my bad health. It is preventing me from taking him fishing and other activities. That time spent together could be the difference in his decision making processes.

 

[TPC]

120 days minimum in a drug treatment residence.
Anything less and it’s a waste of time.

Girls probably much longer if it’ll work at all.

Girls don’t reset like boys do. Ask anyone involved in the treatment. When girls check out it’s usually a one way street.

 

[badgas]

Yes and people shouldn't speed or drink to excess and they shouldn't cheat on their spouse etc......

Correct

These actions also destroy families.

 

[BingerFang]

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most that are addicted to opiates or opioids, introduced to them legally, by a doctor?

I can’t speak for all the dead teenagers or young adults that have lost their life so far, however, my 15 year old niece that passed away 2 months ago, one week after her birthday, died after taking an illegally purchased drug from Snapchat. She was never legally prescribed opioids prior.

 

[was thatguy]

120 days minimum in a drug treatment residence.
Anything less and it’s a waste of time.

Girls probably much longer if it’ll work at all.

Girls don’t reset like boys do. Ask anyone involved in the treatment. When girls check out it’s usually a one way street.

Jeffrey did a full year, inpatient, court ordered. Zero contact.
He got out with the stated intention of going back as a rookie counselor assistant.
His dad got him an electrician apprenticeship, and bought him a hooptie car. We let him in the house in Vacaville and everyday he got up, Deb made him a lunch, and off to work he went. I charged him $100 a month just to make it seem like he was a real person. Things went good…for a few months.
Then I tossed his room and found all the foil and dope residue and all my missing lighters, and a bunch of melted straws.
Out he went, for good.

 

[Deckin Around]

That’s worked so well for weed.

Who's dying from smoking weed? I think that's pretty far reach from the legalization of synthetic Opiates.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't most that are addicted to opiates or opioids, introduced to them legally, by a doctor?

Not most but some and that is what makes it more sad.
That’s the way it happened to my best friend who was my roommate for years, best man at my wedding and best river buddy.
In a group of misfits, he always wanted to be a cop, he graduated with an administration of justice degree at SDSU but ended up going to work in the family business as knee problems from football kept him back. This was the kind of guy who would stand in front of your car if he thought you were trying to drive away drunk. The only guy I knew in High school and college that didn’t take even 1 rip of weed. Ever.
He got to the point where chewing vicodin prescriptions didn’t help the knees. He started going to multiple doctors paying cash off insurance for pain meds. It all went downhill from there. We tried multiple interventions etc. He begged and borrowed from everyone to support his habit and burned almost every bridge he had. He lost everything including a great girl he had been engaged to. One night he hit a parked car and a got dui. He was released 8 hours later and ate some pills before going to get his truck out of impound. He left the tow yard and hit a woman getting out of her car on the street. DUI #2 within 12 hours, That one was DUI with great bodily injury and he did over a year in jail. He he did one more sentence after his fiancé left and it took that jail time and moving to a family ranch in Nevada to get himself clean.
We don’t talk but I miss the guy he used to be.

 

[coolchange]

There is a new drug in phase 3 human clinicals right now. It is synthesized kratom. Thus, the reason for all the bad publicity about kratom and the attempt to ban it by the FDA and DEA. If something works naturally, of course they will make it illegal, or try to anyway. The stuff straight up works for those with the issue not including all the off label uses it will see.. It is on the nasdaq.
I am up almost 40% in two weeks.

How?
Junkies can’t afford clean dope.
Dealers can, and will garbage it up and cut it to death with poison and kill just as many zombies as now.
The “government” has never been very good a dope dealing, and contracting to private entities is a wide open door for the cartels to continue to operate via violence and death.

So what then? Government free dope centers?
Who’s going to provide security for that?
You’ve seen what the natives do inside a Target or Walmart, can you imagine the assault on a clean drug center?

Ticker?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who's dying from smoking weed? I think that's pretty far reach from the legalization of synthetic Opiates.


Not most but some and that is what makes it more sad.
That’s the way it happened to my best man at my wedding and my best river buddy.
In a group of misfits, he always wanted to be a cop, he graduated with an administration of justice degree at SDSU but ended up going to work in the family business as knee problems from football kept him back. This was the kind of guy who would stand in front of your car if he thought you were trying to drive away drunk. The only guy I knew in High school and college that didn’t take even 1 rip of weed. Ever.
He got to the point where chewing vicodin prescriptions didn’t help the knees. He started going to multiple doctors paying cash off insurance for pain meds. It all went downhill from there. We tried multiple interventions etc. He begged and borrowed from everyone to support his habit and burned almost every bridge he had. He lost everything including a great girl he had been engaged to. One night he hit a parked car and a got dui. He was released 8 hours later and ate some pills before going to get his truck out of impound. He left the tow yard and hit a woman getting out of her car on the street. DUI #2 within 12 hours, That one was DUI with great bodily injury and he did over a year in jail. He he did one more sentence after his fiancé left and it took that jail time in moving to a family ranch in Nevada to get himself clean.

Have you seen the studies on the affects of modern weed on developing brains? There are reams of findings, none of which are good.

More to the point, if weed legalization worked so well, why is it still sold illegally so prevalently?

Why would we think legalizing any other drug would somehow help regulate it, when it is clear it did not do much.

 

[LuauLounge]

More to the point, if weed legalization worked so well, why is it still sold illegally so prevalently?

Why would we think legalizing any other drug would somehow help regulate it, when it is clear it did not do much.

Mostly due to the fact that "regular" weed users already had and like there suppliers and the additional cost of "legal weed" doesn't appeal to them.

 

[DC-88]

I find myself worrying about my fifteen year old grandson doing drugs literally every day.

I curse my bad health. It is preventing me from taking him fishing and other activities. That time spent together could be the difference in his decision making processes.

Exactly, because the bad dope is everywhere now right at their fingertips via the phone . Spending time with my kids doing what THEY were interested in was the key looking back. Now that mine are older and moving toward parenthood my new dialog is " remember when you guys were little and instead of dragging you at 9 years old to throw rocks at each other and watch us and our friends pound drinks on a sand bar or in the desert we taught you to ski, snowboard, waterski, wake board, fish, had you ride and work on your own dirt bikes, coached your sports, taught you to shoot, stayed pretty sober, told you why I drank water after a beer when I was responsible for you, tried to set a decent example? We could have dumped you at grandma's or a friend's house and did date night weekends away or took trips without you guys but we chose to take you places with us" ..
My wife teaches at a small high school in a conservative area, military fly over at Friday night lights, great welding program, FFA, rodeo team etc. etc.
Recently one of the worst students to date refused to sit down when she told him he couldn't use the restroom with 10 minutes left because he's a piece of shit and she knew he didn't have to go (she didn't actually call him a pos to his face ) . He told her he had just turned 18 , pound sand and left so she notified the vice principal real quick via text. A couple hours later heading to lunch she passes him spread against the wall by cops and a drug dog with his back pack open . 400 or so Xanny bars (read fentanyl) for sale and she said to the vice principal and the kid, " how's it being 18 now " lol. This has been happening everywhere for years though is my point, so communication and keeping them occupied and including their friend group in tow is the way to fly imo.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Mostly due to the fact that "regular" weed users already had and like there suppliers and the additional cost of "legal weed" doesn't appeal to them.

Exactly.

 

[rmarion]

But the government spent $39,000,000,000 on so called illegal drug enforcement in 2022.

Weve already dropped 30 billion on aid to Ukraine.

The US is permissive. If we were serious we would truly go to war and enforce the shit out of it at all levels. This includes in-person invading the sources, both the makers and suppliers of the chemicals.

Gov on the take....

ex.. Gov NewCUM gave a BILLION dollar contract to China to manufacture "FUCKING COVID DIAPERS" ....

how about keeping that CASH in the USA....?????
but then, he wouldn't receive his 10%...


WTFU PEOPLE!!!

 

[Orange Juice]

1960,1970, 1980’s

 

[Orange Juice]

1990, 2000, 2010 Meth.

 

[hallett21]

Jeffrey did a full year, inpatient, court ordered. Zero contact.
He got out with the stated intention of going back as a rookie counselor assistant.
His dad got him an electrician apprenticeship, and bought him a hooptie car. We let him in the house in Vacaville and everyday he got up, Deb made him a lunch, and off to work he went. I charged him $100 a month just to make it seem like he was a real person. Things went good…for a few months.
Then I tossed his room and found all the foil and dope residue and all my missing lighters, and a bunch of melted straws.
Out he went, for good.

Sadly it runs rampant in the trades. Clearly there wasn’t anymore you could do for him.

 

[Orange Juice]

If you stop feeding them, they will go away. If they don’t, move away.

 

[TeamGreene]

Correct

These actions also destroy families.

Correct but they happen every day as does drug use. Saying that people shouldn't do illegal drugs is a nice sentiment but it's not reality. What can be done is to try and stop the inflow of Fentanyl. If the Mexican cartels were lobbing bombs over the border and killing Americans the government would act and stop them. How is this different just because they are using pills instead?

 

[BabyRay]

Have you seen the studies on the affects of modern weed on developing brains? There are reams of findings, none of which are good.

More to the point, if weed legalization worked so well, why is it still sold illegally so prevalently?

Why would we think legalizing any other drug would somehow help regulate it, when it is clear it did not do much.

In regard to the first sentence, my nephew who died of a fentanyl murder (yes, it’s murder, and I hope they go after the bastards who are selling it), had previously had a severe psychotic episode that was caused by long-term vaping of wax (weed concentrate). An ER doctor told my sister that has become a significant problem among young people since legalization in Washington.

 

[Your ad here]

120 days minimum in a drug treatment residence.
Anything less and it’s a waste of time.

Girls probably much longer if it’ll work at all.

Girls don’t reset like boys do. Ask anyone involved in the treatment. When girls check out it’s usually a one way street.

Drug treatment residences are a catch 22. In most cases it just grows the network for the person on where to get drugs. There are success stories but they all seem to have a burden/demon they live with.
The only way someone will get off drugs is when they make that decision for themself. There are 2 types of former drug users. The ones that count down the days till the next time they use and the ones that just quit and moved on and don't burden themselves from their past lifestyle.

 

[was thatguy]

Private contracted shelters or dope halfway houses are a fucking gold mine!
Usually subsidized and ALWAYS a backlog of returning customers.
It’s a no brainer.
It’s like owning a body shop in Phoenix…NEVER a slow day!