Does Caliber 1 have the HTM SR molds?

[Bigbore500r]

I saw a Caliber 1 flyer that shows their models for 2016, and I see a SR-240 that looks like a HTM.

Did they end up with that mold? If they did, have they made any changes to it or is it the same exact boat?

 

[cicchetti_24]

That's pretty cool if they do! I'd like to see them retool it and make it a bit longer. It's still a great hull. I've said it before if Steve was still with us I wonder where HTM would be right now and what bad ass innovations he would've come up with. The dude was a smart MF'r

 

[AzGeo]

That's pretty cool if they do! I'd like to see them retool it and make it a bit longer. It's still a great hull. I've said it before if Steve was still with us I wonder where HTM would be right now and what bad ass innovations he would've come up with. The dude was a smart MF'r

of the original design .

I think the current mold/design is the one from the smart people at a place once called Virage .

The original 24' bottom design had 'reverse gills' all the way down the center of the tunnel .

Yes, he was smart and should have been able to hang around and enjoy his family and his life more .

But, I think the boat (tooling) shown in the photo has a lot of great input from a number of other smart people .

Steve was a customer of mine back in California, long ago in a far far away place ...........

 

[cicchetti_24]

of the original design .

I think the current mold/design is the one from the smart people at a place once called Virage .

The original 24' bottom design had 'reverse gills' all the way down the center of the tunnel .

Yes, he was smart and should have been able to hang around and enjoy his family and his life more .

But, I think the boat (tooling) shown in the photo has a lot of great input from a number of other smart people .

Steve was a customer of mine back in California, long ago in a far far away place ...........

Not trying to take anything away from anyone else. That was not my intent at all. I'm sure everyone who had input in the one in the pic were smart as well. I'd love for them to stretch it out a few more feet and add a few other innovations to the boat.

I've always been a fan of HTM for many many years, and when the opportunity came up to buy one of Steves personal boats I jumped on it.

 

[AzGeo]

Not trying to take anything away from the anyone else. That was not my intent at all. I'm sure everyone who had input in the one in the pic were smart as well. I'd love for them to stretch it out a few more feet and add a few other innovations to the boat.

I've always been a fan of HTM for many many years, and when the opportunity came up to buy one of Steves personal boats I jumped on it.

But I think stretching it out 2' or more will require some bottom changes .

It's good that you are happy with it ...........

 

[cicchetti_24]

But I think stretching it out 2' or more will require some bottom changes .

It's good that you are happy with it ...........

I'm thrilled with it. There is only one stress crack in the entire boat and it's 15 years old. I've dumped a lot of money into the motor this winter and plan on doing the drive and interior this coming winter. I also plan on redoing the trailer as well. I love how it handles.

I understand the bottom will change a bit if they stretched it out. But I would imagine that would happen with any boat they make bigger. It's got great height to it and the way the sponsons swoop is such a killer characteristic of the boat.

I hope they continue building them

 

[FreeBird236]

They told me they are considering a deck boat off of one of the HTM molds, not sure which one.

 

[cicchetti_24]

They told me they are considering a deck boat off of one of the HTM molds, not sure which one.

That would be cool... I remember seeing one on CL a couple of years ago

 

[boataholic]

I was wondering when and where it would reappear.

 

[Hammer]

What ever happened to the 30' mold?

 

[playdeep]

Not trying to start anything... (promise ).
But I seem to recall that in an issue of Hot Boat way back when,Kevin Spaise alluded to the fact that HTM was born from a salvaged Motion cat.
Any truth to that...?

 

[pwerwagn]

I always wanted an htm as well. Always loved the look. My parents met Steve and his wife at a boat show when I was younger, nice people.

I tried really really really hard to buy the all white 97/98 sr24 with the twin 225 pro Max's a few years back, and even tho it exchanged hands like 5 times in 5 months, it was always one step ahead of me.

 

[RiverDave]

Not trying to start anything... (promise ).
But I seem to recall that in an issue of Hot Boat way back when,Kevin Spaise alluded to the fact that HTM was born from a salvaged Motion cat.
Any truth to that...?

Had you said 28 Warlock Cat you'd be correct.. At least from what I remember.

RD

 

[Tom Slick]

I vaguely remember hearing that it started from a Hawaiian?

Also, I went by Domn8or Boats the other day and thought I saw the molds for the SR24 sitting out back. I could very well be wrong.

 

[cicchetti_24]

I vaguely remember hearing that it started from a Hawaiian?

Also, I went by Domn8or Boats the other day and thought I saw the molds for the SR24 sitting out back. I could very well be wrong.

I will get the info on this question give me a day or 2.

I will make a couple of calls if I remember it was a combination of a couple of different boats they used.

 

[RiverDave]

Rob from Caliber1 will be along shortly to answer this. I talked to him earlier

 

[plaster dave]

I vaguely remember hearing that it started from a Hawaiian?

Also, I went by Domn8or Boats the other day and thought I saw the molds for the SR24 sitting out back. I could very well be wrong.

That's what I hear too.

 

[Coast Motor Group - Robert Hoffman]

Yes we are planning on doing the HTM SR-24 as a walk-thru style and with a deck boat front entry, and a full rear bench seating, (Also we can do the regular HTM SR-24 C/B, O/B, or walk-thru) and also most likely a bolt on fiberglass swim step across the back instead of the 2 or 3 billet ones from the past.

Obviously we aren't planning on modifying the bottom since it already works very well. You can't just simply cut and stretch a mold and have it work right off the bat, and we already have our Caliber 1 265 Deck Boat, so we wanted something a bit smaller.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Yes we are planning on doing the HTM SR-24 as a walk-thru style and with a deck boat front entry, and a full rear bench seating, (Also we can do the regular HTM SR-24 C/B, O/B, or walk-thru) and also most likely a bolt on fiberglass swim step across the back instead of the 2 or 3 billet ones from the past.

Obviously we aren't planning on modifying the bottom since it already works very well. You can't just simply cut and stretch a mold and have it work right off the bat, and we already have our Caliber 1 265 Deck Boat, so we wanted something a bit smaller.

Thanks for the info, you've got some nice boats with unique attributes

 

[robby dmax]

That's pretty cool if they do! I'd like to see them retool it and make it a bit longer. It's still a great hull. I've said it before if Steve was still with us I wonder where HTM would be right now and what bad ass innovations he would've come up with. The dude was a smart MF'r

I have to say the smart MF'r was Mr Steve Tripp from RPM now that is a bad ass 26 foot cat and it definitely out ran a htm.. just my opinion

 

[cicchetti_24]

Yes we are planning on doing the HTM SR-24 as a walk-thru style and with a deck boat front entry, and a full rear bench seating, (Also we can do the regular HTM SR-24 C/B, O/B, or walk-thru) and also most likely a bolt on fiberglass swim step across the back instead of the 2 or 3 billet ones from the past.

Obviously we aren't planning on modifying the bottom since it already works very well. You can't just simply cut and stretch a mold and have it work right off the bat, and we already have our Caliber 1 265 Deck Boat, so we wanted something a bit smaller.

Anxious to see it

 

[cicchetti_24]

I have to say the smart MF'r was Mr Steve Tripp from RPM now that is a bad ass 26 foot cat and it definitely out ran a htm.. just my opinion

RPM is a nice boat

Not sure what HTM he ran

There are certainly some fast ones out there

 

[AzGeo]

Not trying to start anything... (promise ).
But I seem to recall that in an issue of Hot Boat way back when,Kevin Spaise alluded to the fact that HTM was born from a salvaged Motion cat.
Any truth to that...?

Look at the bottom of any Motion and then any HTM, nothing is close .

It was a completely different kind of 'business thing', and maybe Kevin (if available) should be the one to comment on what really transpired . No sense starting roomers when I have half the facts .

By the time the whole Motion deal started, I was not doing business with Steve any longer, but would occasionally see him at PAW buying motor parts .

A Hawaiian that sat years in Skip's Prop Shop yard, owned by a guy in jail ?

Caliber is doing a high quality product on everything they sell, so it stands to reason that if they thought they needed to to any improvements to the SR 24, they would do it . (good business)

By their own words, they have plans for many 'new and improved' products . Want changes ? Send them money, new tooling ain't cheap .......

 

[RiverDave]

I have to say the smart MF'r was Mr Steve Tripp from RPM now that is a bad ass 26 foot cat and it definitely out ran a htm.. just my opinion

RPM is a nice boat

Not sure what HTM he ran

There are certainly some fast ones out there

Look at the bottom of any Motion and then any HTM, nothing is close .

It was a completely different kind of 'business thing', and maybe Kevin (if available) should be the one to comment on what really transpired . No sense starting roomers when I have half the facts .

Look at the bottom of a 24 vs a 28 warlock.. They are extremely similar. I believe the only difference is the HTM has a small relief on the edge of the inside edge of the tunnel. I'm sure someone will come along and claim BS.. But post up pics of both and the picture becomes pretty clear pretty quick.

I don't know anything about a motion cat etc.. Unless maybe they are talking about the 30?

 

[idk]

Look at the bottom of a 24 vs a 28 warlock.. They are extremely similar. I believe the only difference is the HTM has a small relief on the edge of the inside edge of the tunnel. I'm sure someone will come along and claim BS.. But post up pics of both and the picture becomes pretty clear pretty quick.

I don't know anything about a motion cat etc.. Unless maybe they are talking about the 30?

Its funny you say that, there was a twin engine 28' Warlock for sale in SCV about a year ago and when I was looking at the bottom I thought it looked like a HTM.

 

[Hammer]

Look at the bottom of a 24 vs a 28 warlock.. They are extremely similar. I believe the only difference is the HTM has a small relief on the edge of the inside edge of the tunnel. I'm sure someone will come along and claim BS.. But post up pics of both and the picture becomes pretty clear pretty quick.

I don't know anything about a motion cat etc.. Unless maybe they are talking about the 30?

They cut the SR 24 in half and lengthened it to make the 30' Mold.

 

[Bigbore500r]

HTM 24


Warlock 28


The center pod continues thru to the transom on the Warlock, but in the HTM it is trimmed back and tucked under the transom by like 4" (the same way the sponson surfaces meet the transom at the sides on both boats)

I'd like to see pics of the bottom of each. I can take some of my boat from under the trailer tomorrow.

No pun intended...but I did come across this pic when searching for pics of "HTM hull bottom" - so we can use this to compare against mine

 

[Flying_Lavey]

They cut the SR 24 in half and lengthened it to make the 30' Mold.

We might need to talk to Johnny. I was told that he was pretty involved in some manner when Steve was developing the bottoms and they were friends up until the accident.

 

[RiverDave]

HTM 24
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Warlock 28
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The center pod continues thru to the transom on the Warlock, but in the HTM it is trimmed back and tucked under the transom by like 4" (the same way the sponson surfaces meet the transom at the sides on both boats)

I'd like to see pics of the bottom of each. I can take some of my boat from under the trailer tomorrow.

No pun intended...but I did come across this pic when searching for pics of "HTM hull bottom" - so we can use this to compare against mine

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The point being, it isn't hard to figure out where it came from.. Notching the V in the middle is pretty quick and easy and can even be done with a mold insert.

RD

 

[cicchetti_24]

HTM 24
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Warlock 28
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The center pod continues thru to the transom on the Warlock, but in the HTM it is trimmed back and tucked under the transom by like 4" (the same way the sponson surfaces meet the transom at the sides on both boats)

I'd like to see pics of the bottom of each. I can take some of my boat from under the trailer tomorrow.

No pun intended...but I did come across this pic when searching for pics of "HTM hull bottom" - so we can use this to compare against mine

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That's not a good day! I'd like to know the story behind that

 

[Tom Slick]

That's not a good day! I'd like to know the story behind that

Looks like the SS-24 that got loose and blew over at the LOTO Shootout many years ago.

 

[RiverDave]

That's not a good day! I'd like to know the story behind that

Looks like the SS-24 that got loose and blew over at the LOTO Shootout many years ago.

This.. It hit some big rollers at LOTO years ago.. Driver was fine.

 

[cicchetti_24]

This.. It hit some big rollers at LOTO years ago.. Driver was fine.

Hit some rollers and the boat went airborne?

I usually pull back on the throttle when I see big chop and try and get around it.

I don't push the boat because of things like that

 

[RiverDave]

Hit some rollers and the boat went airborne?

I usually pull back on the throttle when I see big chop and try and get around it.

I don't push the boat because of things like that

Well he was in the middle of a speed run at the shootout, so he didn't lift..

RD

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Hit some rollers and the boat went airborne?

I usually pull back on the throttle when I see big chop and try and get around it.

I don't push the boat because of things like that

Never lift Bro!!

 

[pronstar]

This.. It hit some big rollers at LOTO years ago.. Driver was fine.

Define "fine" LOL
Survived uninjured but scared shitless, perhaps

 

[RiverDave]

Define "fine" LOL
Survived uninjured but scared shitless, perhaps

Well in that scenario there's dead and there's fucked up, and there's fine.. LOL He fell into fine if I remember right.

RD

 

[cicchetti_24]

Never lift Bro!!

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No Ragrets thats my credo

None

Not even one letter

Know what i'm sayin

 

[RiverDave]

No Ragrets thats my credo

None

Not even one letter

Know what i'm sayin

LMAO!

RD

 

[454Rocket]

The issue with HTM was inconsistency. Everyone layed them up it seems like. One would be a handful, another would be fine. After riding in several I decided on something different.

 

[Coast Motor Group - Robert Hoffman]

I saw a Caliber 1 flyer that shows their models for 2016, and I see a SR-240 that looks like a HTM.

Did they end up with that mold? If they did, have they made any changes to it or is it the same exact boat?

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Look what just arrived..... The Caliber 1 Custom Boats SR-240 pHanToM Cat.

We just popped out #1 of 4 builds we have from the boat shows. As soon as there's an open slot, we are going to build one!

 

[boatpi]

I was at Steve's shop when the 30' wood mold was being built. It was 90% complete. I never saw another plug or copy hull near it.

 

[Hammer]

I was at Steve's shop when the 30' wood mold was being built. It was 90% complete. I never saw another plug or copy hull near it.

I wonder where that mold went?

 

[Bigbore500r]

Look what just arrived..... The Caliber 1 Custom Boats SR-240 pHanToM Cat.

We just popped out #1 of 4 builds we have from the boat shows. As soon as there's an open slot, we are going to build one!

Awesome!

 

[cicchetti_24]

Look what just arrived..... The Caliber 1 Custom Boats SR-240 pHanToM Cat.

We just popped out #1 of 4 builds we have from the boat shows. As soon as there's an open slot, we are going to build one!

Very eager to see it! I think this is great! The name is fitting great job! You guys were a class act at the LA Show as well.

 

[AzGeo]

The boat bottom in post #27 is the 'new version' done by the people who ran a company called Verage . *

The original bottom of the SR24 had a number of 'center trailing gills' all down the center of the tunnel and it did drop down in the center just as the photos of transoms .

The photos of transoms do look similar, but you forgot to put a Hawaiian in there, since they all look exactly the same from the transom . That tunnel with a rounded 'V' shaped center section is just like the 'Arabian Boats' of the 70's . (like sponsons stuck on a V bottom boat)

* The people at Verage had paid 'rights to produce' the SR24, but after trying to get an original hull to run well, they re-designed the bottom and made a new bottom mold . That is where the business problems began between Verage and HTM .

The original bottom design, packed all the 'lift' under the last two feet of hull, Steve started with corrections by 'adding a wing', then he went to some 'little flat wedges' in the running surfaces near the transom . (uncontrollable drag/turbulence) Neither cured the 'loose tail' problem .

There may have been more improvements to that bottom since the major changes by Verage, I don't know .

Caliber 1 knows all about the mold they have and the intended use of the hulls out of those molds, I'm sure they will go the distance in producing a high quality performance boat .

As far as the "HTM - Motion Cat connection", maybe we should ask Jerry, 'V-drive video', to look up the HOT BOAT issues of the Motion Cat boat test for Steve, and then the following two months issues with the ANSWERS to all the controversies, of CLAIMING to be or actually being a sales outlet for a boat builder ........

 

[done]

They cut the SR 24 in half and lengthened it to make the 30' Mold.

True thats why it did not work that well.

 

[pronstar]

My BIL bought two conquest deckbotes from Rob, says he's a stand-up guy.

If they keep the HTM value/performance ratio intact, I could be in market for a new one after we get settled into Dallas next year.

Can't wait to seen how these progress...

 

[Coast Motor Group - Robert Hoffman]

My BIL bought two conquest deckbotes from Rob, says he's a stand-up guy.

If they keep the HTM value/performance ratio intact, I could be in market for a new one after we get settled into Dallas next year.

Can't wait to seen how these progress...

Thank you very much!

And yes we know this mold. It works excellent actually. It was the one that Leah had retooled while she was still running the HTM brand for years after Steve passed away. Obviously molds have a life expectancy and you can only pull so many out before you need to pop the last one and use it for your plug to lay up a new mold. So this mold is the exact one that they were building for years, and in the past years few years there have already been three boats popped out of this mold. All with big power, and obviously all ran flawlessly. We've done our research. This has been something that's been in the works for quite a while already and has finally come together.

We can't wait to build our first one and see what kind of big power the first customer wants to plug into it!

Say no to the 502 H.O!

 

[Coast Motor Group - Robert Hoffman]

I wonder where that mold went?

The HTM 306 Legacy mold is still around. And it definitely WAS NOT a cut and stretch from the SR-24 boat. It was a totally new tooling and design. The mold is still out here in storage and if anyone wants one we can also build one of those. We just didn't plan on tackling that since we have a couple other projects on our plate as soon as we get a break in production and mold tooling.