DoD Directive 5240.01....

[monkeyswrench]

US military can be used against it's citizens so long as the Secretary of Defense agrees....great

DOD secretly reauthorizes bill that would allow military intervention domestically…and adds ability to use deadly physical force

The Department of Defense recently reauthorized Directive 5240.01, with some significant changes, the most disturbing of ...

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

 

[HNL2LHC]

US military can be used against it's citizens so long as the Secretary of Defense agrees....great

DOD secretly reauthorizes bill that would allow military intervention domestically…and adds ability to use deadly physical force

The Department of Defense recently reauthorized Directive 5240.01, with some significant changes, the most disturbing of ...

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

Sadly this has been a topic of discussion for a few weeks now. ThIs is messed up on so many levels.

 

[4Waters]

But would they follow orders?

 

[monkeyswrench]

But would they follow orders?

Unless they unanimously decide to disobey, we then have a fractured military. Our populace is already split. Take the armed and trained to the same extent, and we have a full blown civil war.

Many of these things are by design I feel...and fear.

 

[4Waters]

Unless they unanimously decide to disobey, we then have a fractured military. Our populace is already split. Take the armed and trained to the same extent, and we have a full blown civil war.

Many of these things are by design I feel...and fear.

They would be ordered to take up arms against their friends and family, most of which have the same values as them.

When I asked my dad (Vietnam Vet) if he was ordered to go door to door to collect guns would he. His answer was absolutely not. I'm willing to bet well over half would not do it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

They would be ordered to take up arms against their friends and family, most of which have the same values as them.

When I asked my dad (Vietnam Vet) if he was ordered to go door to door to collect guns would he. His answer was absolutely not. I'm willing to bet well over half would not do it.

I think same is true of the Afghanistan and Iraq vets, so I would think it the same of current enlisted. The problem will then come down to people that will follow orders based on ideology...the diversity hires...which are still by far a minority within the ranks. Because we are a NATO country, the UN "peacekeepers" may be the biggest issue. History has proven it's much easier to control, even kill, people that are different than yourself.

Basically, I think what may be coming here, is much like what we have seen in other countries.

 

[Looking Glass]

I think same is true of the Afghanistan and Iraq vets, so I would think it the same of current enlisted. The problem will then come down to people that will follow orders based on ideology...the diversity hires...which are still by far a minority within the ranks. Because we are a NATO country, the UN "peacekeepers" may be the biggest issue. History has proven it's much easier to control, even kill, people that are different than yourself.

Basically, I think what may be coming here, is much like what we have seen in other countries.

"Oblamer" said his Dream was to "Transform The Country" and now look at things!! Destroying the things so many have Fought and Died for. Lying and Cheating, might not be accepted, but it sure is Expected!!

Fighting, and American Blood On American Streets may be inevitable.

 

[530RL]

US military can be used against it's citizens so long as the Secretary of Defense agrees....great

DOD secretly reauthorizes bill that would allow military intervention domestically…and adds ability to use deadly physical force

The Department of Defense recently reauthorized Directive 5240.01, with some significant changes, the most disturbing of ...

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

An act such as you fear would also require an order from the CIC. Only one candidate has so far suggested using the US military against its own citizens.

Fortunately, no good conservative would ever vote for someone who suggests the US government should use its own military against its citizens. So we are fine.

 

[Doc]

An act such as you fear would also require an order from the CIC. Only one candidate has so far suggested using the US military against its own citizens.

Fortunately, no good conservative would ever vote for someone who suggests the US government should use its own military against its citizens. So we are fine.

When liberal Governors purposely delay The National Guard like Kamala's Vp to come in to get riots and unrest under control aren't you kinda forcing the hand of the president to make that statement? That being said isn't a Gov left or right using it's own military against it's citizens when they are called in during riots? So why is that any different?

 

[regor]

Trump must be winning boys, someone’s TDS is flaring up!!!

 

[530RL]

When liberal Governors purposely delay The National Guard like Kamala's Vp to come in to get riots and unrest under control aren't you kinda forcing the hand of the president to make that statement? That being said isn't a Gov left or right using it's own military against it's citizens when they are called in during riots? So why is that any different?

I respect your right to believe that the president should use the military against its own citizens even, as trump has inferred, to eliminate political opponents. How history does repeat itself.

Trump suggests he'll use the military on 'the enemy from within' the U.S. if he's reelected

During his first term as president, Donald Trump tested the limits of how he could use the military to achieve policy goals. If given a second term, the Republican and his allies are preparing to go much further, reimagining the military as an all-powerful tool to deploy on U.S. soil.

www.pbs.org

 

[monkeyswrench]

My God your TDS is almost a crippling disease...It really shouldn't matter who is in office. Think of it this way though, our current CiC signed over much of his power in previous EO's, something no other president has done. This essentially gave full command to the people pushing for drag shows and "diversity". People appointed, and not elected, are currently in charge.

 

[FreeBird236]

PBS, is that the broadcast system that is 100% woke?

 

[Doc]

I respect your right to believe that the president should use the military against its own citizens even, as trump has inferred, to eliminate political opponents. How history does repeat itself.

Trump suggests he'll use the military on 'the enemy from within' the U.S. if he's reelected

During his first term as president, Donald Trump tested the limits of how he could use the military to achieve policy goals. If given a second term, the Republican and his allies are preparing to go much further, reimagining the military as an all-powerful tool to deploy on U.S. soil.

www.pbs.org

LOL... I do miss your word twisting responses 530. Do you actually read the posts?

Let's try again shall we? If Liberal Governors refuses or delay's like Tim W. did in bringing in the national guard because local law enforcement couldn't handle the situation is a president saying he'll bring in the military directed toward good citizens or against the citizens breaking the law? Based on that why is it any different if a Gov orders it's National Guard to come in vs the President? California has brought in it's National Guard during riots (little to late imo) to control a out of hand situation before so is that governor a dictator now?

We are getting a little off topic though. This post was about DOD using military and if it impacts civil liberties. I am going to read though it really good later and make my on conclusions.

Lastly, let's be honest, this administration showed not just the nation but the world how quickly it can weaponize it's own government against it's opposition and did very openly. That is something to be concerned about.

 

[Doc]

PBS, is that the broadcast system that is 100% woke?

Even his link says "Trump also has said he will use the National Guard and possibly the military as part of the operation to deport millions of immigrants who do not have permanent legal status."

That article is based around Trump's mass deportation talk not against citizens lol.

 

[regor]

Scottsdale today. Turdy with her peace hat and warmonger shirt on at the same time!!!

 

[Luvnlife]

Trump must be winning boys, someone’s TDS is flaring up!!!

I imagine some people are very nervous Fuck em

 

[530RL]

Even his link says "Trump also has said he will use the National Guard and possibly the military as part of the operation to deport millions of immigrants who do not have permanent legal status."

That article is based around Trump's mass deportation talk not against citizens lol.

Yes it does, if Trump would command the active military or the National Guard to engage in such activities it would be a direct violation of law absent Trump receiving approval from Congress.

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way.

 

[4Waters]

Yes it does, if Trump would command the active military or the National Guard to engage in such activities it would be a direct violation of law absent Trump receiving approval from Congress.

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way.

Well, you see, illegal immigrants are not citizens so therefore they are not protected from the military

 

[Doc]

Yes it does, if Trump would command the active military or the National Guard to engage in such activities it would be a direct violation of law absent Trump receiving approval from Congress.

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way.

Mass illegal immigration is just that ILLEGAL! So when one administration wants to open the flood gates and the other wants to do the opposite it's a problem? Again that article mentioned using military to assist local agencies if needed.

"But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way." I won't argue with you there. I will say the left set the tone for that one though by a long shot!

 

[regor]

Somebody’s cheap labor is in jeopardy!!!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Mass illegal immigration is just that ILLEGAL!

I'd even go a step or two further. When numbers in the millions from other countries cross the borders, and proceed to harm Americans, it would be considered an invasion, or attack, orchestrated by armed combatants.

For context, in 2010, the highest number of US troops were deployed to an active war zone. There were 100,000 soldiers in Afghanistan.

Of the approximately 13,000,000 illegals, what percentage are supporting themselves? What percentage is using government handouts to start criminal activity?

 

[Doc]

I'd even go a step or two further. When numbers in the millions from other countries cross the borders, and proceed to harm Americans, it would be considered an invasion, or attack, orchestrated by armed combatants.

For context, in 2010, the highest number of US troops were deployed to an active war zone. There were 100,000 soldiers in Afghanistan.

Of the approximately 13,000,000 illegals, what percentage are supporting themselves? What percentage is using government handouts to start criminal activity?

Completely agree! This can be considered a crisis or an invasion by the books. Cancel and shame culture advocates will jump all over the person calling them racist and so on.

 

[4Waters]

Mass illegal immigration is just that ILLEGAL! So when one administration wants to open the flood gates and the other wants to do the opposite it's a problem? Again that article mentioned using military to assist local agencies if needed.

"But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way." I won't argue with you there. I will say the left set the tone for that one though by a long shot!

I'd even go a step or two further. When numbers in the millions from other countries cross the borders, and proceed to harm Americans, it would be considered an invasion, or attack, orchestrated by armed combatants.

For context, in 2010, the highest number of US troops were deployed to an active war zone. There were 100,000 soldiers in Afghanistan.

Of the approximately 13,000,000 illegals, what percentage are supporting themselves? What percentage is using government handouts to start criminal activity?

Liberals don't like facts like the ones we posted

 

[530RL]

Completely agree! This can be considered a crisis or an invasion by the books. Cancel and shame culture advocates will jump all over the person calling them racist and so on.

So pass a bill consistent with the processes and procedures in the constitution and use the methods prescribed in the bill to address the problem. Don’t abandon the constitution because it’s convenient.

Isn’t that what conservatives would do? Follow the constitution and laws of this great republic? Isn’t it always liberals who advocate to usurp the constitution?

 

[regor]

So pass a bill consistent with the processes and procedures in the constitution and use the methods prescribed in the bill to address the problem. Don’t abandon the constitution because it’s convenient.

Isn’t that what conservatives would do? Follow the constitution and laws of this great republic? Isn’t it always liberals who advocate to usurp the constitution?

Unfortunately and thanks to you corrupt Uni-Party whores who allow it to be continually usurped by the “ other” side, the Constitution doesn’t mean much these days. We intend to do whatever it takes to eliminate the traitors in our midst.

You can take your feel guilty games and stick em up yore gay asses like you always enjoy. We’ve got politicians, lawyers and judges to track.

 

[HotRod82]

Relax fellas......the military is made up of "trigger pullers" and "non trigger pullers". The trigger pullers are 99% flyover country rednecks that are completely on or side. If any lib thinks Jethro from Alabama serving in the Army is going to take up arms against his family and friends they are going to be sorely disappointed. I do believe if shit goes sideways the Military will fracture....for sure. It will be the truck drivers and cooks against the trigger pullers. I think we're safe.

 

[Taboma]

US military can be used against it's citizens so long as the Secretary of Defense agrees....great

DOD secretly reauthorizes bill that would allow military intervention domestically…and adds ability to use deadly physical force

The Department of Defense recently reauthorized Directive 5240.01, with some significant changes, the most disturbing of ...

www.lawenforcementtoday.com

If you care to further explore for yourself the written re-issuance of DODD 5240.01 in order to more fully understand it's contents, here's the link.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524001p.PDF?ver=UpTwJ66AyyBgvy7wFyTGbA%3d%3d

Here's a link for 52040.02 (Counter Intelligence) from May 2018.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524002p.pdf?ver=2018-05-16-080304-833

 

[brgrcru]

But would they follow orders?

My guess ? they would

Just look at the covid bs ,

 

[Sandlord]

My guess ? they would

Just look at the covid bs ,

Exactly.

 

[Wedgy]

Yes it does, if Trump would command the active military or the National Guard to engage in such activities it would be a direct violation of law absent Trump receiving approval from Congress.

“Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”

But who really cares about the law or constitution anymore. Neither side cares, they are both willing to give it all up just to get their way.

Hey hey, ho ho, criminal invaders, got to go. Key word criminal. Fake asylum seekers, all the gotaways, Yo.
Peaceful exit, go back home. If they didn't do it right? That's a crime. Apply to emigrate? Fine. What's the issue...
Those aren't conservitive tears. Boo Hoo. FFS, guys like you we'd all be wearing red coats speaking the King's english.

 

[monkeyswrench]

If you care to further explore for yourself the written re-issuance of DODD 5240.01 in order to more fully understand it's contents, here's the link.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524001p.PDF?ver=UpTwJ66AyyBgvy7wFyTGbA%3d%3d

Here's a link for 52040.02 (Counter Intelligence) from May 2018.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/Documents/DD/issuances/dodd/524002p.pdf?ver=2018-05-16-080304-833

Only read throught the first one so far. A few things stand out, but may already be the way things are. The President can give a directive to the Secretary of Defense to act with assets with the "capability of lethal force" with no approval or review...that bothers me no matter who's in office. There was also language that the DoD can act independently to supply such means without prior approval, if they deem a loss of life is eminent...so, kill first if someone may die, I think.

It also shows we have a lot of alphabet agencies that don't get press, like the FBI or CIA.

 

[530RL]

Hey hey, ho ho, criminal invaders, got to go. Key word criminal. Fake asylum seekers, all the gotaways, Yo.
Peaceful exit, go back home. If they didn't do it right? That's a crime. Apply to emigrate? Fine. What's the issue...
Those aren't conservitive tears. Boo Hoo. FFS, guys like you we'd all be wearing red coats speaking the King's english.

Lol


Have you considered applying to “emigrate”?

 

[Taboma]

Only read throught the first one so far. A few things stand out, but may already be the way things are. The President can give a directive to the Secretary of Defense to act with assets with the "capability of lethal force" with no approval or review...that bothers me no matter who's in office. There was also language that the DoD can act independently to supply such means without prior approval, if they deem a loss of life is eminent...so, kill first if someone may die, I think.

It also shows we have a lot of alphabet agencies that don't get press, like the FBI or CIA.

Good, hope they get to killin, there's plenty who need it --- MAGA

Certainly no surprise that while you focus on the killing aspect, I noticed most of the content was in regards to use of military intelligence capabilities.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Good, hope they get to killin, there's plenty who need it --- MAGA

Certainly no surprise that while you focus on the killing aspect, I noticed most of the content was in regards to use of military intelligence capabilities.

For many years, I thought intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies shared info. After 9/11, it became very apparent that they did not. Multiple EO's and changes later...they still don't have it down. My daughter is loosely involved in the alphabet agency world through school. She says even now, it is not easy to get a full picture of things. I don't think it's all nefarious, I think a lot of it stems from professional competition maybe? I think everyone wants their "team" to be the group that catches the bad guys. Some though, as we've seen in the news, use their authority and means for personal or political gain.

As for the first part of your reply...I agree, some people just need killing. The problem is, I have never been accused of being stable, nor a calm decision maker. I hope those that wield these powers are better people than myself. Unfortunately, I constantly feel that is not the case. The checks and balances put in place by the Founders were there to keep any party from wiping out the opposition. Sadly, they didn't see that the lawmakers would become wealthy from careers in politics. With that wealth comes corruption. Very few are for the people.

 

[Smitty7]

What happened to the U.S. was not allowed to spy on it's own citizens.

 

[Taboma]

For many years, I thought intelligence agencies and law enforcement agencies shared info. After 9/11, it became very apparent that they did not. Multiple EO's and changes later...they still don't have it down. My daughter is loosely involved in the alphabet agency world through school. She says even now, it is not easy to get a full picture of things. I don't think it's all nefarious, I think a lot of it stems from professional competition maybe? I think everyone wants their "team" to be the group that catches the bad guys. Some though, as we've seen in the news, use their authority and means for personal or political gain.

As for the first part of your reply...I agree, some people just need killing. The problem is, I have never been accused of being stable, nor a calm decision maker. I hope those that wield these powers are better people than myself. Unfortunately, I constantly feel that is not the case. The checks and balances put in place by the Founders were there to keep any party from wiping out the opposition. Sadly, they didn't see that the lawmakers would become wealthy from careers in politics. With that wealth comes corruption. Very few are for the people.

It's as if the thoughts you just shared in print, were mine and penned by my very own hand --- well, except mo better

PS: I owe thanks to my dear wife and life partner for keeping me centered

As much as the only ray of sunshine I could see for getting old, I mean in addition to not dying prematurely of course, was the anticipation while compiling my "Asshole Elimination" checklist.
After partial completion of only the written part, I've concluded that this is going to take far longer than I'd anticipated

 

[Wedgy]

Sometimes, the assholes eliminate themselves...

 

[Taboma]

Sometimes, the assholes eliminate themselves...

When pondering a new addition to my own, I've occasionally wondered, just how many I was on ?