Do you consider addiction a disease???

[BYTOR]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

 

[JBS]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

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[RiverDave]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

12 pack? Lol

 

[BYTOR]

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[WTRR]

I don't know if it's a disease but it has been proven that a lot of addiction is caused by genetics. Maybe that explains all the addictive personalities. I come from a long family history of addictive personalities, grandfather, uncles, aunts, cousins and my brother. All were alcoholics or drug addicts that eventually wound up dead because of it. One cousin got into Narcotics Anon when he was 20 and has been drug free for 30 years, another spent 35 years in prison, found God and has been a productive citizen the last 5 or so years since he was released. My little brother died in prison of hep C on News Years Day 2011. I have struggled to keep my drinking in control for over 30 years mainly because I didn't want to end up like all my relatives on my Mother's side of the family. Is there a choice between being addicted or not??? Sure, it's a choice...but sometimes that choice is difficult to make when your brain is wired to think that being addicted is what is normal for you.

 

[SBMech]

No Pass. You choose to inflict your own problems with drugs and booze. I will tell you that it's hard, I've been an on again off again smoker since my teens, but it's always MY CHOICE to start again. 3 years without one now, and feeling like I won't ever start again since my Nanna just passed last year from lymphotic stage 4 caused by smoking. She had quit 15 years ago.

The difference between functioning addicts and the complete fuck ups is simply willpower. When you got shit to do, you drink less/none and make it happen.

WE ARE ALL ADDICTED TO SOMETHING. Exercise. Boats. Cigs. Booze. Sunshine. Surfing. Drugs in many forms. I know people who can ruin a good thing no matter what, they just have no self control. I know surfers who cannot hold a job because they HAVE to surf when it's good. I know a few women who are battling skin cancer yet still layout daily.

Silly and tired old cliche: You make your own Reality.

 

[ROC]

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Try a triple shot espresso java chocolate frappuccino, grande.

Every 8 hours on an empty stomach. That'll really help with OCD. It's in the American Medical Journal as a positive cure. Give it a go. :thumbsup

 

[pronstar]

So to sum this thread up (and another similar thread in the recent past):

Addiction is a weakness
Depression is a weakness

Both can be overcome by nothing more than the affected person waking the fuck up and fixing themselves.

If only it was so simple.

I didn't really get "weakness" from reading this thread.

The way I read most replies, I think we're all hard-wired differently. Some of us are prone to addictive behaviors.

Clearly I'm no expert, but i sort of of see it like being obsessive-compulsive. Some of us tend to fixate on things like chasing the last high, or another detrimental behavior...more easily "hooked" on certain fixations.

So the 12 Step cite would be to replace detrimental behavior, with spiritual behavior. Admitting that you aren't in control, but giving control to a higher authority who doesn't accept detrimental behavior.


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[mariley85]

I don't believe it's a disease, but i do feel it should be treated as such if the person wants to get clean. Some people make bad decisions and do H or meth, and some people just happen to get addicted. Example of the latter is a guy hurts his back, meds stop working, uses more, that stops, uses even more, and so on and so forth.

It's a medical condition. For example, Seth Enslow takes his 500cc Honda, hits that jump at 90mph, clears the landing and almost kills himself. An incredibly foolish and risky act results in rehab and medical aid. To me, that is not any different from some asshole partying with blow and getting his dumbass addicted. It was foolish and risky, and will result in rehab and/or medical aid.




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[Cole Trickle]

I don't believe it's a disease, but i do feel it should be treated as such if the person wants to get clean. Some people make bad decisions and do H or meth, and some people just happen to get addicted. Example of the latter is a guy hurts his back, meds stop working, uses more, that stops, uses even more, and so on and so forth.

It's a medical condition. For example, Seth Enslow takes his 500cc Honda, hits that jump at 90mph, clears the landing and almost kills himself. An incredibly foolish and risky act results in rehab and medical aid. To me, that is not any different from some asshole partying with blow and getting his dumbass addicted. It was foolish and risky, and will result in rehab and/or medical aid.




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I would much rather watch him or pastrana ruin there life eith there "addictions" then the junkie outside the liquor store....lol

 

[mariley85]

I would much rather watch him or pastrana ruin there life eith there "addictions" then the junkie outside the liquor store....lol

One idiot just happens to be more entertaining than another. My point still stands.


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[Johnny_5]

I dont think any able bodied person should get a pass for anything, period.

If the guy is a functioning drunk, and is not a liability to you, give him a chance.

The hard part is going to be helping this guy acknowledge his problem.

 

[CigAjerk]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

People classifying other people for personal comparison to look down over others heads and decisions is just part of this world now. I accept you.

Want to grab a drink or would that tarnish a pin?

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[River911]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

How about a 30 pack and a bottle of Fireball?

I am proud of my accomplishments. Am I addicted? Possibly. Is it any of your business?

No

 

[KENDOG689]

Addicted has a open platform,do I love sex.do I love my kids,do I love dogs and do I love beer and cigs? I,f you can juggle them all and leed a nice life,your good.Addicted,to my Family.:thumbsup

 

[Sleek-Jet]

I dunno... I don't qualify a disease based on if I feel sorry for someone or not.

Many diseases are 100% preventable... so that isn't the test either.

I have only seen one person in my life truly struggle with addiction, it ain't pretty.

 

[BYTOR]

How about a 30 pack and a bottle of Fireball?

Well then we would call you RiverDave.

 

[angiebaby]

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I don't think addiction is a disease - you aren't going to catch alcoholism if some dude sneezes on you.

But I do think a lot of people have addictive personalities.
They simply go from one addiction to another.

I also think they can get addicted to less-harmful things, which is why a lot of addicts get into over-the-top "born again" Christianity - they need something to consume their energy and time. 12 step programs are religious based and do seem to work for many.

Narcanon is owned by Scientology...

I agree. I always say that if they have to be addicted to something, I'm glad it's the church. As annoying as these folks are, I'm glad that is their new found addiction.

My aunt and uncle were alcoholics and quit about 30 years ago with the help of AA. Then my aunt became addicted to AA and went to meetings nearly every night for decades and that became the only people they socialized with. My family resented it, but I felt if it kept them from drinking, good for them.

For much of my family, it is not any event that caused the alcoholism. It's just the way they were raised and perhaps being predisposed genetically. My grandpa was an alcoholic, my grandmother never touched the stuff. My dad used to drink on the weekends when I was a kid, which turned into daily as a pre-teen and is up to an 18-pack a day now (though he just retired, so that may increase). His brother quit 30 years ago, and his sister just quit within the last 5 years, but not through AA. My other uncle can take it or leave it, like me. My brother is going down the same road as dad, I fear

So, in my experience, it's been just a gradual increase over time. They just keep opening one after another after another. Then get pissed at you when you dare suggest they take a water. Wine over the head, people walking home from Grandma's drunk, spitting on the neighbors for not voting, yep. That's how my holidays were spent. I'm sure many of us have our stories about alcoholism.

If you want to get help, I will help you any way I possibly can. If you don't want help, you are on your own and don't expect taxpayers to help you out. That is the only way someone will hit rock bottom. If we keep aiding them and giving them crutches, they will never get better.

 

[angiebaby]

I would much rather watch him or pastrana ruin there life eith there "addictions" then the junkie outside the liquor store....lol

Racing is DEFINITELY an addiction. I should know, my husband is a pusher. That is no joke. He got hundreds of people to spend millions of dollars on a brand new kind of off-road race car that they could only race in his races. I have witnesses on this board.

He has been clean for about 3 years.

edit: I take that back, he raced in February . . . Dammit!!

 

[angiebaby]

What I find very interesting is that most of the people in this thread that are ready to lynch the addicts think that it's normal to drink a 12 pack or a bottle of fireball in one night. I've got news for you, you're also an addict.

Really? So you know most of the people who have posted on this thread and what they think?

Do I think it's normal? No. Do I think it happens once in a while (not to me, I'd be dead)? Yes. Do I think that if someone gets carried away on a night they are not working and gets shitfaced is an alcoholic? No. That is how we learn to not do it again, from the pain we feel the next day uke:

 

[angiebaby]

I didn't really get "weakness" from reading this thread.

The way I read most replies, I think we're all hard-wired differently. Some of us are prone to addictive behaviors.

Clearly I'm no expert, but i sort of of see it like being obsessive-compulsive. Some of us tend to fixate on things like chasing the last high, or another detrimental behavior...more easily "hooked" on certain fixations.

So the 12 Step cite would be to replace detrimental behavior, with spiritual behavior. Admitting that you aren't in control, but giving control to a higher authority who doesn't accept detrimental behavior.


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I think I was the only one who said it was a weakness.

Sorry for being a post whore


No, really I'm not :fingers:

 

[rampgirlll]

Ok I'm addicted to racing and smoking. Gonna try and give up the later after the world finals. I drink socially (at races) and can not drink and am doing so tonight. As for the racing all I can say is I haven't been on a vacation in 15 years, closest thing was 3 days in myrtle beach between Augusta and high point a few years ago.