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Dad never took vacation until he and Mom were divorced and I was a teenager. Even, then it was rare. He had quite a payout of sick and vacation accrual after 47 years with SCE. Fortunately, I didn’t have to take that approach.

I’ve worked for same manager for 20 years. Never had to cancel a planned vacation. On vacation, I never hear from my manager or are expected to work/respond to any emails. Appointments were a different story due to changing work travel days (pre-pandemic, as now 100% remote). I’ve wasted what amounts to years of my life away from home for the company. At least I got hotel points to take my wife and kids places we couldn’t otherwise afford. I’ll work extra if needed now, but paid for 40, so generally work 40 hrs a week. A person could work 365 in my line of work and it’ll only get you a bigger bonus, and slightly higher salary. Then, you’re burned out and how can you work more than 365 days?

There’s only one other person with a longer tenure than me in our department. I’m old steady reliable, with no drama. The list is long of those hired and fired or quit in last 20 years.

I guess what I’m saying is find a job with the right balance for you and your family. Money isn’t everything, but to some it is. Obviously, some jobs just demand more of a person’s personal life though.
 

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I've made a lot of transitions in my career (job wise) apprentice to Journeyman, to foreman to GF, to whatever it is I do now. The hardest one for me to learn was the transition to a father, and I'm still learning it. Now that work with a computer instead of tools, my computer goes everywhere with me, my time off is half spent working.

Covid has been a blessing in disguise (as well as my position), being able to work from home to watch my son grow up. Things like crawling, first steps, first words etc would've been missed had I not been at home. Money comes and goes, but I can't get this time back.
 

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My work is so buried right now. I work more than I ever have in my life. I have been planning on taking a few days off around next weekend but my work is not looking like it will not accommodate that. Everyone needs it now or immediately. I took on more work two weeks ago to help another guy out but now doing that looks like it may screw me.

So do you guys cancel plans because of work? I work to live not live to work but lately because of my companies drive it seems that what we all do.
I have canceled plans before to work overtime because it’s easy money but I get a lot of time off so it works out for me
 

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Everyone is the best worker the company has 🤣. Biggest mistake is thinking you are irreplaceable.

This x1000. Everyone is replaceable. Family first. PERIOD. That’s my mentality and it will never change.

During an interview process, I am interviewing them as much as, if not more, than they’re interviewing me.
 

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You can never get time back.

The stupid fucking idiots that make you wait for 15 seconds while another car rolls up to the stop before they go have wasted your life.

I have probably taken more time off than most on this forum through out my life, simply because I had a choice, and actually did it, rather than stay the 9-5 guy.

Entire years snowboarding on a team. Running a Skateboard park for several years (Powell Peralta's Skate Zone). Following other wealthy friends/clients and flowing with their lives for a few months/years as the resident mechanic/fix-all guy on site.

No regrets here, it's not for everyone. Even since I have opened up my own business, I work as little as possible mostly.

It's the journey that is amazing, the destination is the same for us all.
 

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You are an employee?

If you requested the time off, you go period.

If you are so dam important that you can’t go, ask your employer to show you how your compensation reflects that.

Absolutly!

Unless your pay / bonus is directly related to performance meet your goals then take the time!
BUT
if your working an endless amount of 60 + hr weeks and not getting the BUMP….. make sure to look out for you! As nobody else will do that !

a lot of times people going above and doing the extra don’t get recognized because that’s what they always do and it becomes the norm - sometimes their horn needs to tooted, and the best way for that is to take time off!
 

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A lot of you are comparing apples to oranges…. Work is work

but
everyone’s work is different

if your an owner or self employed you’ll do what’s NEEDED to make it work, But how many weekends & long days are needed ?

as an employee, an above average employee, you’re NOT getting let go for taking a vacation that’s been approved!!

Everyone has been kicking ass for over 6/7, 8 years non stop work work work more jobs and more money! Economy has been great!
Everyone needs to get the batteries recharged at some point!

In Havasu I don’t see a lot of weekend construction work going on…. People / workers doing side hustle jobs For themselves but not typically company work.

It’s difficult NEAR impossible to get a company out to your house on a Saturday to give you a quote!
 

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I was a workaholic up until my car accident 2 years ago. I literally worked my 20s away. didnt live them at all. Even though I pretty much walked away, my life view somehow changed that night even though I didnt immediately realize it. Yall have kind of followed my journey since then...

Now Im working for myself. I have a neat gig where Im on call for one guys personal toys; I went and installed a gate opener at his house and changed the batteries in his golf cart last week; crazy hard stuff lol. And then I have the boat customers, and my customers understand going in that they are on my schedule not the other way around. Im finally living life now and not just working. Tonight, I am in San Diego on a whim where I saw Cody Johnson and Randy Houser and will be spending the rest of the weekend in Havasu.

I am fortunate to have had the wake up call when I did. Life is for living. Work can only be a part of it, not all of it.

Prioroties will get shuffled as we go through life. My only hope is that when I get to the end of mine, that I will be happy with all that I have done with it.
 

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Odd timing on this thread...
Picked up one son from his class, met my wife at her school to head to the other son's ball game. Wife has a look I'm familiar with. (I can't think of anything I've done!)

Background: Today was older son's 16th birthday, tonight was a football game for younger son, tomorrow morning have a dr's appointment for one of them, leaving after others out of school to meet brother in law at river to celebrate son's B-day. We don't have much family, so this is a pretty big deal. In-law couldn't meet up last week during our fall break, so he picked this weekend.

Wife's "dead man walking" look was not my fault this time. She called her brother to see what time he'd be out there. He "can't make it". He has a concrete job to do. He picked the date. He's bailing. This is side work, as he is employed elsewhere...3 12's. He lives to chase paper. No wife, no kids.

He asked for another date that would work. Wife shot him one, and he said he couldn't that weekend, Glamis trip planned. Wife is pissed! Better him than me...
 

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When I was working I almost never canceled time with family. However, I would do some work when on vacation as well. I could log in to my computer and get some stuff done. Answer emails, schedule jobs, review or write a proposal etc... I was a GM in construction, so there was a lot a could do remotely.

A lot of times I can't sleep, so I get up and do some work. If I wake up a 3-4 am, then gets some work done before wife and kid wake up at 7 or 8. They are happy, boss is happy and I am happy I don't have to go back to a ton of work. I was salary and got bonuses and profit sharing, so that motivated me as well.

You said you are a detailer. That is mostly computer work correct? Will your company let you log in remotely or let you take a computer home so you can get some stuff done?
 

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There are two polar opposite views here with people trying to equate working for a company who are guaranteed a certain amount of vacation time a year as long as said employee applies for it within the company rules.
Then we have those that took risk to start, own and run their own companies and all of stress and pressure that comes with it. The two aren't in any way comparable in this discussion. The everyone is replaceable statement also applies to the company. It's something I have told many, many employees this over the years to make sure that they know that I wasn't immune to getting fired either.
 

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Nobody is immune to getting fired. An owner runs the same risk if his team fails to perform. He or she can lose current or future contracts, ending their days of being in ownership. Been both, and, honestly, both have their pros and cons.
No one is immortal though...
We all, at some point, run out of time.

A while ago I was at a funeral for a good friend. While driving back from the services I was talking with another friend. He's quite my senior, we'd both known the deceased for 30+ years. I hadn't talked to him really in the past 10 or so. He asked what I was doing now. I told him part time stuff, here and there...full time dad.
His eyes nearly fell out.
"How? Why? What about retirement and your future?"
I explained that Pops had retired, only to live 18 months of his well deserved pension. Mom had retired, only to fight cancer for 5 years. They were both 65 when they passed. Entire life was spent working for what ended up being a short sprint through the gauntlet.

I'd known this guy I was talking with long before my accident. He knew I came back from that. I hammered down, and worked like hell. Surpassing what I was able to accomplish previous, a changed person. Then I fell off the face of the earth.

As we rolled into where the wake was held, I told him this, "I watched my parents work their entire lives, but really enjoy very little of it." Pops was gone a lot, leaving Mom nearly a single parent. To what end? "I'll try to live while I can."

This man I was talking with owns a successful business in the Bay area, multiple commercial properties in San Jose and rental homes all over the area. He's also retired from an airline. Outwardly, the absolute best decisions made.
He lost his wife, a very sweet lady, to cancer several years back.
His words I can still hear, as we parked my car, "I wish I would have thought that way 20 years ago"

Unlike @Shlbyntro , my car accident didn't set my path. It set me straight, and helped make me a better person, no doubt. Losing Pops when I was 30, and Mom when I was 35...that set the path before me. None of us know how long that path is, and what lay ahead.
Been dealing with some things that would have been detrimental to my business, or at least my mental state, the past few months. It helps to hit it head on, with a clear mind.

You only have one life to live, make wise choices, but it's really just a gamble.
 

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Nobody is immune to getting fired. An owner runs the same risk if his team fails to perform. He or she can lose current or future contracts, ending their days of being in ownership. Been both, and, honestly, both have their pros and cons.
No one is immortal though...
We all, at some point, run out of time.

A while ago I was at a funeral for a good friend. While driving back from the services I was talking with another friend. He's quite my senior, we'd both known the deceased for 30+ years. I hadn't talked to him really in the past 10 or so. He asked what I was doing now. I told him part time stuff, here and there...full time dad.
His eyes nearly fell out.
"How? Why? What about retirement and your future?"
I explained that Pops had retired, only to live 18 months of his well deserved pension. Mom had retired, only to fight cancer for 5 years. They were both 65 when they passed. Entire life was spent working for what ended up being a short sprint through the gauntlet.

I'd known this guy I was talking with long before my accident. He knew I came back from that. I hammered down, and worked like hell. Surpassing what I was able to accomplish previous, a changed person. Then I fell off the face of the earth.

As we rolled into where the wake was held, I told him this, "I watched my parents work their entire lives, but really enjoy very little of it." Pops was gone a lot, leaving Mom nearly a single parent. To what end? "I'll try to live while I can."

This man I was talking with owns a successful business in the Bay area, multiple commercial properties in San Jose and rental homes all over the area. He's also retired from an airline. Outwardly, the absolute best decisions made.
He lost his wife, a very sweet lady, to cancer several years back.
His words I can still hear, as we parked my car, "I wish I would have thought that way 20 years ago"

Unlike @Shlbyntro , my car accident didn't set my path. It set me straight, and helped make me a better person, no doubt. Losing Pops when I was 30, and Mom when I was 35...that set the path before me. None of us know how long that path is, and what lay ahead.
Been dealing with some things that would have been detrimental to my business, or at least my mental state, the past few months. It helps to hit it head on, with a clear mind.

You only have one life to live, make wise choices, but it's really just a gamble.

I see it differently. I was on a path where I was killing myself and I think it did set me straight.

Financially Im about the same as I was before (within the margin of error lol) but much happier and much healthier. aside from the regular ice tea at lunch Ive completely cut caffeine out and actually doing leisirely stuff on a regular basis. my blood pressure is down from 175/95 to 135/85 (and still falling) just from figuring out what was wrong in my life and changing it.

Its hard to turn the stress off but that has been my number 1 goal over the last 1.5 years. Everything else is just a result of that goal.
 

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18-23 I worked for a company hourly. Tons of overtime and side jobs on the weekends.
Decided I would try to do it on my own so I could have more spare time. Nope. While I did have some freedom, if jobs came up or we were behind schedule i was the one putting in the extra work to get things done. Busted my ass until my kids were born at 36. Been taking alot of time off the last 12 years to help my wife and raise my twins.
My career and bank account has suffered but i wouldn't change a thing. Blessed to have the time I do with my kids.
 

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The Bad: I worked WAY too much ( late 20's to late 40's ) when my kids were little and that is time I can't get back. However I still didnt miss many things with the family because my family was my hobby. The big things I could not do were coach my kids ( huge blessing IMO ) be the camp chaperone etc. I would just show up to events. We canceled trips to the dunes said no to vacations etc. because jobs would come up and I had no backup.

The Good: I was able to become 100% debt free in my mid 40's cashflow my kids college and not have a lot of pressure in my early 50's. We still attended church together as a family and my wife of 28 years and I have a great relationship with our adult children so I guess it worked out. Having a great supportive wife is HUGE in this equation.

If you have a family and work a lot my advice would to cut out all the other social BS and focus on your family.
 
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My work is so buried right now. I work more than I ever have in my life. I have been planning on taking a few days off around next weekend but my work is not looking like it will not accommodate that. Everyone needs it now or immediately. I took on more work two weeks ago to help another guy out but now doing that looks like it may screw me.

So do you guys cancel plans because of work? I work to live not live to work but lately because of my companies drive it seems that what we all do.
All the time. Even if I can take the days off, I won't unless everything is under control. I can't enjoy myself knowing shit is fucked up, or getting fucked up due to my absence.

My curse is treating every company like I own the company.....

Not sure what to say, Salary managment positions = you gotta do what you gotta do, whenever you gotta do it.
At the end of the day - if you don't do it, nobody else will. The buck stops on your desk, there's nowhere else to defer.
 

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My mom passed away at 59 F ! Cancer!

Dad was lost he was 63 at the time / at 72-75 he was really forgetful he now has Dementia.

His life basically ended when mom passed.

I take care of him and do my best, he’s in a residential care home now.


Life is way to short and unfair - No Guarantee!!
 

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Very true. To me it’s pick your battles. In my business it’s tough finding a full time job with out chasing shows. And like my income. Could I make more maybe. But I’m secure and only a few years away from being done.
I hear yah. I’m looking at a Short term sacrifice for a long term payoff.
 

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I see it differently. I was on a path where I was killing myself and I think it did set me straight.

Financially Im about the same as I was before (within the margin of error lol) but much happier and much healthier. aside from the regular ice tea at lunch Ive completely cut caffeine out and actually doing leisirely stuff on a regular basis. my blood pressure is down from 175/95 to 135/85 (and still falling) just from figuring out what was wrong in my life and changing it.

Its hard to turn the stress off but that has been my number 1 goal over the last 1.5 years. Everything else is just a result of that goal.
No caffeine!?🤣 I cut out booze and stress from "work". I still have stress, but not the same. After my wreck, I was driven to come back, and not be a burden. It was taken to excess, see how much harder I could work.

I simplified things after my parents passed, and refocused my goals. Bank account is kind of sad, but still have the same amount in my wallet. My chest used to hurt from stress, BP was stupid high...now, F' it, life's good
 

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YOu and I are in the same industry and its just insane lately.

I am a senior reinforcing steel detailer for one of the biggest placing steel firms on the west coast.
I try to be that way and have succeeded for the most part. Just seems there is not enough time in the day anymore.
Sounds like to me yore employer needs to up his staffing game. Burning Out employees or getting them Divorced from lack of being home should not be an option!
 

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Lots of different and varying opinions and I respect everyones.
I am going to try to still take it off. Nobody is pressuring me besides myself. I gave notice even before I agreed to help on another job. I have a lot of freedom. The problem is I think I am to dedicated. I work when I am sick. I wont take more than a week off at a time once a year if that. This is starting to become a problem with the wife. LOL I have almost 500 hours of vacation banked. The real issue is this and some of you touched on it. Nobody does my job when I am out. It just stacks up. So I try to work extra before and after so is it really time off then.
 

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Lots of different and varying opinions and I respect everyones.
I am going to try to still take it off. Nobody is pressuring me besides myself. I gave notice even before I agreed to help on another job. I have a lot of freedom. The problem is I think I am to dedicated. I work when I am sick. I wont take more than a week off at a time once a year if that. This is starting to become a problem with the wife. LOL I have almost 500 hours of vacation banked. The real issue is this and some of you touched on it. Nobody does my job when I am out. It just stacks up. So I try to work extra before and after so is it really time off then.
Good for you. Go enjoy!

500hrs banked is not a good thing.
 

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It is when you are going to retire.......
But it’s not when you could have spent it with your family.

That’s 12 weeks of family memories that will last long after your gone.

Your kid will not reminisce about how wealthy or early you retired.
 

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Depends on the plans and the situation at work. If it's missing a happy hour or dinner with friends, then not a big deal. Missing a planned vacation with family - absolutely not, non negotiable (but I will check emails early morning and keep an eye on my phone...). I'm absolutely replaceable and as such, I keep my credentials/resume/network up to date as an insurance policy. If they want to terminate me for taking time off, then they're not who I want to work for, so the decision will be mutual. Oh yeah, been there 17+ years...

Cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon...
 

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Cat's in the cradle and the silver spoon, little boy blue and the man in the moon...
"When you commin' home dad?"
"I don't know when,
But we'll get together then"

Song is just a song, until it isn't. Lots of time to catch up, until there isn't. It goes for both us as parents, and as kids ourselves.
 

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I might be a little fucked in the head…but I always figured keeping a roof over my family’s heads and keeping the fridge full of food was more important than smiles on faces. So yes, I put work first. I’ve never really made a lot of money, and would have been kinda fucked had I been without work for more than a couple weeks, so generally put in an effort to do more than required.

It’s paying off now that I have my own business….a few customers that I used to deal with are buying my products sometimes even if they don’t need them…presumably because I went above and beyond for the last 18 years and helped make their lives easier. They have my cell number and still call on nights/weekends for support on brake issues, be it parts or diag from suppliers other than myself…and that’s a service I offer if one sends me a PO occasionally.

Can’t have fun without money, and can’t make money without work.

I’m hoping that as I sort out and streamline things with my new business, it will allow me some time off to have more fun with the fam. Odd thing happened this weekend…my plating should have been done yesterday…but is delayed till Monday or Tuesday. Normally I’d be sorta pissed, but I wasn’t. Instead of spending the weekend building brake calipers, I’m taking the kid up to Cleghorn today to do some mild off-roading in the new Tacoma (haven’t been out on trails since I sold my crawler when he was born 12 years ago) and will allow us to do some projects around the house that we’ve been putting off due to lack of time.
 

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This thread got "Side Tracked" and several Posts insinuated that some people are Indispensable. Any business or Company that finds itself in this position deserves everything that happens. When an employee, becomes so "Arrogant" that they feel the Company can not run without him or her, it is time for an Attitude Correction or the Boot. I can't help but think that these same people when starting out were possibly at the "Do anything" to get hired and maybe with a new Bride and family, were so appreciative of the Opportunity. Then as time goes along and their Spending habits and "Wish List" grows, Logic gets twisted.
In a perfect world, a Work/Life balance is under control, but everyone is different and everyone's Priorities and Work Ethics are different and IMO this coming year there will be many "Adjustments" in budgets, priorities, spending, and Attitudes.
 

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It is when you are going to retire.......
Had a guy retire on me with 3,000 hours! I worked for him early in my career. He didn’t want the grind anymore so he took a step back. He only worked for me a couple years and took his 5 or 6 weeks of vacation a year, it was all accounted for. The check was for a few hundred grand. I got lit up pretty good. Turns out it’s good to accrue hours at a lower pay and cash out at the end.
 

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Had a guy retire on me with 3,000 hours! I worked for him early in my career. He didn’t want the grind anymore so he took a step back. He only worked for me a couple years and took his 5 or 6 weeks of vacation a year, it was all accounted for. The check was for a few hundred grand. I got lit up pretty good. Turns out it’s good to accrue hours at a lower pay and cash out at the end.


Honor, Morals, Character, and Loyalty are Rare in this world.
 
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I really try not to but 4 hrs after our 2nd sun was born, I boned out to work 13 hr shifts for 2 days. door contractor effed up the strikes on a 30,000 sq ft mental hospital and my customer was desperate for my access control system to work, I had to replace every electronic strike on the ward.
 

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I really try not to but 4 hrs after our 2nd sun was born, I boned out to work 13 hr shifts for 2 days. door contractor effed up the strikes on a 30,000 sq ft mental hospital and my customer was desperate for my access control system to work, I had to replace every electronic strike on the ward.
That's a little different
 

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Honor, Morals, Character, and Loyalty are Rare in this world.
It’s a different world for sure. I’m very lucky. 10 people on the team. Mid-60 to mid-30’s. No issues with any of the above. Can’t say the same across the board. CA gives 8 weeks for family leave. Coming into the office is “optional”. I really can’t imagine trying to get anything done in 5-10 years.
 

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Lots of responses to this question, witch is a question most of use working stiffs have. I'm 52 YO old and my life experiences are saying go to work, every time. I've worked with others that take every minute off the AHJ mandates time off for things that I wasnt allowed to miss work for it pisses me and my peers off. . we don't say shit about it because HR will get involved. If the economy goes sideways as I have seen a several times, I know who I will hire and who I will not based on being on the job consistently and performing.
My opinion is that when the bar is lowered, in attendance and work performance we get what we are seeing in todays economy.
 

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This thread got "Side Tracked" and several Posts insinuated that some people are Indispensable. Any business or Company that finds itself in this position deserves everything that happens. When an employee, becomes so "Arrogant" that they feel the Company can not run without him or her, it is time for an Attitude Correction or the Boot. I can't help but think that these same people when starting out were possibly at the "Do anything" to get hired and maybe with a new Bride and family, were so appreciative of the Opportunity. Then as time goes along and their Spending habits and "Wish List" grows, Logic gets twisted.
In a perfect world, a Work/Life balance is under control, but everyone is different and everyone's Priorities and Work Ethics are different and IMO this coming year there will be many "Adjustments" in budgets, priorities, spending, and Attitudes.

you know after all this shit, I think we all can agree this is a 2 way street. An employer needs a great employee as much as a an employee needs a great employer.

in my life as an independant contractor, i have been taken advantage of by multiple "employers"

I am sure multiple employers here have been taken advantage of by many of their employees.

there has to be a balance. the employers and managers who say any employee can be replaced: Im sorry but you get what you fucking deserve. high turn over and shit for quality. That is 100% on you. The employees who think they are irreplaceble: Well you better be prepared to back it up. If youre not ready or think you are capable of striking it out on your own or have a standing offer from a major competitor; well then stfu. you have no grounds to stand on.

Where everybody is doing great is somewhere in the middle. I see multiple people in this thread from both sides who need to take a step back and think about what theyre saying.
 

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Such a great discussion to keep things in perspective about work and family. I moved back to Hawaii in my mid 20s to work for family and be closer to the family. It was at a lower pay but allowed us to not have our son as a latch key kid. Something that my wife and I were but did not want for our son witht he direction of society. In the end it turned out for the best even though pay was lower In the beginning. We have been very blessed in the last few years by keep ing out heads down making what would could with what we earned. Squirreling away a few hundred a month into retirement. I also think that if we are able to do it anyone can. There is no right or wrong direction you just have to do the best you can.

IDK, I have a few real redneck cousins and when we have family reunions they are pretty fun🤣🤣 usually a few "hold my beer" moments followed with a limp or some shit the next day🤣
“Redneck family” That explains a lot about you…..😂😂😂
 

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I cancel plans all the time for work . Working in the Motion Picture business it's not a set schedule at all . Example : Working all this weekend and probably will do a month with no time off because of a schedule change .
 

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I live my work and usually work on vacation as well. I sit a lot of trips out for work. It’s been a wild 3 years. I’m actually looking forward to having a moment to take a breath and relax. @RiverDave owes me an anniversary trip.
I am lucky. I guess. When ( I am ) on vacation. I can not work. And don’t even have my emails forwarded. If my boss needs an answer to a question. He can call. More than happy to answer. But. Remember. I am on vacation.
 
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