Death of Apple

[Skinny Tire AH]

That is chock full of things no one said

Let’s argue about that next.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Let’s argue about that next.

I cant argue with you about a position I didn't take

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I cant argue with you about a position I didn't take

Wanna bet?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wanna bet?

Yep.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Yep.

My point is, you take many things folks say out of context and a debate ensues about non- related subjects.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My point is, you take many things folks say out of context and a debate ensues about non- related subjects.

My point is you just did that same thing to me

Apple does not make cellular or satellite networks. There is no reason their stock will tank because of a Tesla sat phone and sat network. Tesla will either keep it 100% proprietary, or open it up for other manufacturers phones when it is ready for that level of throughput.

Speed benefiting the automotive industry as a whole? You are out on your own island on that one and trying to debate a non-related subject of a position I do not even hold.

 

[v6toy4x]

just waiting on the IPO, need to offset the Rivian! definitely a game changer

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

just waiting on the IPO, need to offset the Rivian! definitely a game changer

I'm thinking about getting back into Rivian actually. Watching to see if they are going to pull out of the quicksand

 

[EPL]

Next year I'm putting Starlink in at the lake, our internet up there is horrible.

If they can get a mobile antenna to work(like on a car or RV), that'll be huge.

I have Starlink at my house and our houseboat , it work great at both places ! the best part is at the lake there is no more dead zones !

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

My point is you just did that same thing to me

Apple does not make cellular or satellite networks. There is no reason their stock will tank because of a Tesla sat phone and sat network. Tesla will either keep it 100% proprietary, or open it up for other manufacturers phones when it is ready for that level of throughput.

Speed benefiting the automotive industry as a whole? You are out on your own island on that one and trying to debate a non-related subject of a position I do not even hold.

The fact that Apple doesn't do cellular networks is exactly my point to "Kill Apple". They don't have the network to compete.

Musk can leverage this with hostility if he chooses to. And the "Kill Apple" tone was from the Youtube I attached.

 

[v6toy4x]

I'm thinking about getting back into Rivian actually. Watching to see if they are going to pull out of the quicksand

I just put more in last week, the only way they get back up is with a good kick while they are down!!

 

[ConcreteDr]

It’s already up and the phones are google he is right apple is out at some point so are the cell providers it’s mostly classified but the leaks are there if you dig deep

 

[Taboma]

you have to figure it out, unless you hire someone to do it for you.

Crawling attics, that's what sons are for I don't do attics anymore

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The fact that Apple doesn't do cellular networks is exactly my point to "Kill Apple". They don't have the network to compete.

Musk can leverage this with hostility if he chooses to. And the "Kill Apple" tone was from the Youtube I attached.

They don’t need a network to compete. They have so many revenue streams they are not going to be killed. They are a media and software company now that just happens to produce some hardware.

Apple is a lifestyle brand just like Tesla. This is going to be a “and” industry, just like the cellular industry is today. Multiple hardware manufacturers will make phones to run on various networks, and in turn sell subscriptions to your network.

Like I said, it will be a while before the Sat tech is cheap enough to challenge the cell coverage of the western world where it is so entrenched.

It is absolutely going to be the next thing, especially in undeveloped countries.

 

[JDKRXW]

Are you talking Musk here Steve?

Apple is a device maker and lifestyle brand, not a satellite or cell network provider.

They have one of the most profitable music libraries in existence.

You said yourself the phone is a PITA to organize and setup.

Apple will jump on the bandwagon and capitalize on that - Just saying, Apple isn’t going to go anywhere. For a network provider the money is in the subscription services. They will bring in as many device providers as possible to sell subscriptions.

Blackberry was exactly the same as Apple is now. They have their proprietary hardware (which they also make insane profit % on) and their proprietary subscription service which generates big cash too.
Elon is taking a page from their book except he's starting one step higher on the ladder because he owns and controls the backbone of the system - which is the network.
Edit; I see I'm late to the party.

 

[DRYHEAT]

Crawling attics, that's what sons are for I don't do attics anymore

You damned elitist!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Blackberry was exactly the same as Apple is now. They have their proprietary hardware (which they also make insane profit % on) and their proprietary subscription service which generates big cash too.
Elon is taking a page from their book except he's starting one step higher on the ladder because he owns and controls the backbone of the system - which is the network.
Edit; I see I'm late to the party.

If you think Blackberry is the same as Apple .

Sorry, no it is not. Did Blackberry sell
Music, media, TVs, consumption devices (smartphones and tablets) and and entire software and entertainment suite that empowered developers to use their platform and completely immersed their users and their family’s in an end to end cohesive and comprehensive digital experience regardless of device - TV, PC, Tablet, phone or watch?

No. They made a phone with a keyboard you could read and reply to email on, and that was it.

 

[badgas]

Blackberry was exactly the same as Apple is now. They have their proprietary hardware (which they also make insane profit % on) and their proprietary subscription service which generates big cash too.
Elon is taking a page from their book except he's starting one step higher on the ladder because he owns and controls the backbone of the system - which is the network.
Edit; I see I'm late to the party.

I don't recall having an blackberry watch, tablet, desktop, laptop, TV/Movie streaming service, Entertainment production company etc.

I think Apple is a little more than just phone hardware.

But I do agree that "nothing lasts forever" Look at GM for example. In the 70's they were looked at as a Monopoly and 30 years later they would have been gone if it weren't for "the great bail out"

 

[Racey]

I don't recall having an blackberry watch, tablet, desktop, laptop, TV/Movie streaming service, Entertainment production company etc.

I think Apple is a little more than just phone hardware.

But I do agree that "nothing lasts forever" Look at GM for example. In the 70's they were looked at as a Monopoly and 30 years later they would have been gone if it weren't for "the great bail out"

If you think Blackberry is the same as Apple .

Sorry, no it is not. Did Blackberry sell
Music, media, TVs, consumption devices (smartphones and tablets) and and entire software and entertainment suite that empowered developers to use their platform and completely immersed their users and their family’s in an end to end cohesive and comprehensive digital experience regardless of device - TV, PC, Tablet, phone or watch?

No. They made a phone with a keyboard you could read and reply to email on, and that was it.

I think the point is that Blackberry was at the top of the food chain and shit changed, they didn't adapt, and they got left in the dust. That phone with a keyboard that could do email was a game changer, it seems lame now, but back then it was the absolute shit, and an order of magnitude better than the competition.

The same thing will eventually happen to Apple, and Google. This won't be it by itself, but it will happen one day.

These companies get to a point where they become so encumbered by bureaucracy that they lose sight of their core product, the market forces, the competition.

We are already seeing the faltering of both Google and Apple in their ability to innovate, in fact in many instances their products have gone beyond stagnation, in some ways they are regressing in features

 

[Danger Dave]

My point is, you take many things folks say out of context and a debate ensues about non- related subjects.

"I've made an internet career out of it." - Danger Dave

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think the point is that Blackberry was at the top of the food chain and shit changed, they didn't adapt, and they got left in the dust. That phone with a keyboard that could do email was a game changer, it seems lame now, but back then it was the absolute shit, and an order of magnitude better than the competition.

The same thing will eventually happen to Apple, and Google. This won't be it by itself, but it will happen one day.

These companies get to a point where they become so encumbered by bureaucracy that they lose sight of their core product, the market forces, the competition.

We are already seeing the faltering of both Google and Apple in their ability to innovate, in fact in many instances their products have gone beyond stagnation, in some ways they are regressing in features

I agree on all counts. But these companies have hooked themselves into our lives on so many fronts and have revenue streams coming in from everywhere. Not saying they won’t get taken out or knocked down ever, but these 5 or so companies have the money to buy out any competition that stands in their way. They innovate through acquisition. And most of these Silicon Valley companies have realized playing together and playing off each other, everyone wins. Musk knows this, he is one of them. Not one of any of these companies is openly hostile to each other. That is why they have all been able to inject themselves so pervasively into our lives since the fall of Blackberry.


You tell Amazon to turn the lights on, you tell Google to turn the AC down to 70 degrees. You tell Apple what songs you want to hear, and you give Facebook every detail of your life while all of the companies named above just watch you, listen to you, and figure out how to take more money and steal time from you to satisfy your lizard brain while they sell your data.

Blackberry just had a phone that did email.

 

[JDKRXW]

If you think Blackberry is the same as Apple .

Sorry, no it is not. Did Blackberry sell
Music, media, TVs, consumption devices (smartphones and tablets) and and entire software and entertainment suite that empowered developers to use their platform and completely immersed their users and their family’s in an end to end cohesive and comprehensive digital experience regardless of device - TV, PC, Tablet, phone or watch?

No. They made a phone with a keyboard you could read and reply to email on, and that was it.

90+% of the stuff your mentioning hadn't been invented in Blackberry's glory days.
They (Blackberry) made a great phone for talking on and you could send an email on it , and they had a killer app that went along with it ... BBM. This is what pushed them to the top. They hooked themselves into peoples lives (with what they had at that time).They weren't as smart as they thought they were and the pure arrogance the owners had in thinking they were untouchable sunk them like the Titantic, and people moved on.
I somewhat see this in Apple now, and I think Elon sees a way to get ontop of their phone system. Everything else you mention (Facebook, Amazon etc) works with everything else.
I think every cell signal provider and cell manufacturer had better be making contingency plans.

 

[Racey]

I agree on all counts. But these companies have hooked themselves into our lives on so many fronts and have revenue streams coming in from everywhere. Not saying they won’t get taken out or knocked down ever, but these 5 or so companies have the money to buy out any competition that stands in their way. They innovate through acquisition. And most of these Silicon Valley companies have realized playing together and playing off each other, everyone wins. Musk knows this, he is one of them. Not one of any of these companies is openly hostile to each other. That is why they have all been able to inject themselves so pervasively into our lives since the fall of Blackberry.


You tell Amazon to turn the lights on, you tell Google to turn the AC down to 70 degrees. You tell Apple what songs you want to hear, and you give Facebook every detail of your life while all of the companies named above just watch you, listen to you, and figure out how to take more money and steal time from you to satisfy your lizard brain while they sell your data.

Blackberry just had a phone that did email.

Thankfully i don't use any of that shit, and most days i wish i had my blackberry back with its antiquated keyboard that never misspelled words like this piece of shit im using to type this now does, and ive already had to backspace and correct 6 times just in this post

 

[Roosky01]

Elon is now a king maker IMO. He could end Apple, AT&T, Verizon, Android, etc. within a year if he chooses to. He will come out with his own technology or license someones.

Either way, he is the HNIC from here on out.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

90+% of the stuff your mentioning hadn't been invented in Blackberry's glory days.
They (Blackberry) made a great phone for talking on and you could send an email on it , and they had a killer app that went along with it ... BBM. This is what pushed them to the top. They hooked themselves into peoples lives (with what they had at that time).They weren't as smart as they thought they were and the pure arrogance the owners had in thinking they were untouchable sunk them like the Titantic, and people moved on.
I somewhat see this in Apple now, and I think Elon sees a way to get ontop of their phone system. Everything else you mention (Facebook, Amazon etc) works with everything else.
I think every cell signal provider and cell manufacturer had better be making contingency plans.

You said it BBM.. was all they had. That is not the case with big tech today. Apple is a media and software company, not a phone or wireless company.

Until this is cheaper and easier, it will not be a thing that replaces cellular. The carriers contingency plans will be to get on the sat program or get their own Sat network. There will be another technology that competes with the Tesla satellite network, just like there is multiple cellular networks.

Remember 8 years ago? We were all supposed to be driving autonomous cars by now and the big 3 were going to be crushed by Tesla.

 

[JDKRXW]

Apple is a media and software company, not a phone or wireless company.

More than half of Apple's revenue comes from IPhone sales.

Apple iPhone revenue share 2024 | Statista

iPhone sales made up approximately 48.7 percent of Apple’s total revenue in the fourth quarter of the company’s fiscal year 2024.

www.statista.com

If Elon hammers them with his network/phone combination ... I don't think they'll be the same company they are today.
And, Elon is as close to being ready to release this on the world as RG is with the Speed Car.

 

[Roosky01]

If Starlink is becomes "THE" network, then all bets are off and I believe brands that appear too huge to fail are going to end up as this generations dinosaurs. I, for one, am awaiting the glorious downfall of those that appear to big to fall. This will become more common in the near future. Especially, as Web 3 comes on line.

It wouldn't surprise me if the big 3 automakers are an afterthought 10 years from now along with a multitude of the big brands we are so familiar with today. They are simply entrenched in the way of doing things that they are unable to adapt and pivot quickly.

This is a brave new world and we are all going to be shocked with just how fast things change, IMO.

 

[Flatsix66]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

More than half of Apple's revenue comes from IPhone sales.

Apple iPhone revenue share 2024 | Statista

iPhone sales made up approximately 48.7 percent of Apple’s total revenue in the fourth quarter of the company’s fiscal year 2024.

www.statista.com

If Elon hammers them with his network/phone combination ... I don't think they'll be the same company they are today.
And, Elon is as close to being ready to release this on the world as RG is with the Speed Car.

Elon hasn’t hammered anyone, He’s pretty inclusive for a reason.

We’ve heard this story about new tech disrupting everything within 3-5 years 10 times in the last 10 years… AI, ML, Cloud, Autonomous Cars, IoT, drones. - All show promise, All have yet to accomplish the promise of drastically changing life and tech “in just a few years”.

Wake me up when this is cheaper than a $500 phone and $40 a month for the free world. This is a disruptive technology now, it is not mainstream yet, and won’t be for several years.

He should get those Cyber Trucks out first

 

[Roosky01]

Elon hasn’t hammered anyone with anything ever. He’s pretty inclusive for a reason..

We’ve heard this story about new tech disrupting everything within 3-5 years 10 times in the last 15 years.

I agree with you on this up until a point where the existing tech doesn't compliment what he is creating. His ultimate goal is to get to Mars and I believe he will step on anything or anyone that inhibits that. It's sure going to be an interesting decade ahead!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I agree with you on this up until a point where the existing tech doesn't compliment what he is creating. His ultimate goal is to get to Mars and I believe he will step on anything or anyone that inhibits that. It's sure going to be an interesting decade ahead!

Apple is not going to get in the way of him getting to Mars, on the contrary, opening up the network to other phone providers will only drive more profit and more subscribers as opposed to fighting off competition. It will be an interesting decade for sure, I agree.

 

[Taboma]

Thankfully i don't use any of that shit, and most days i wish i had my blackberry back with its antiquated keyboard that never misspelled words like this piece of shit im using to type this now does, and ive already had to backspace and correct 6 times just in this post

 

[Track Man]

I live off grid and no service out here. I’ve lived with satellite Internet now for 15 years. Hughes net for the last 10 years. It is a POS 25 MBPS. I could only make FaceTime calls with my iPhone. Just got star link a month ago. Now I’m getting 150 MBPS. This is a big game changer for me. I can now make phone calls to anybody anywhere. I don’t have to wait 5 to 10 minutes for the good morning thread to load. It loads up instantly now.

 

[530RL]

I don’t get it.

Even the Tesla phone requires the PSTN. If Musk puts all these cell companies and other service providers “out of business” then there is no PSTN and everything will be a fishing weight except a Tesla phone that can call a Tesla phone on the Tesla Starlink service. A pure 100 percent worldwide monopoly.

I suspect no one is going to allow that and there will be multiple providers of both handsets as well as providers of networks.

I’m still waiting for Iridium to replace the cellular device as promised in 1988………

 

[Roosky01]

Elon has stated that he has no interest in creating a smartphone as he believes they are antiquated technology.

Definitely not. Smartwatches & phones are yesterday’s technology, Neuralinks are the future.
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) September 14, 2020

Now this Neuralink and Synchron stuff that is being developed to most likely operate on the Starlink network is literally "mind blowing".

 

[Racey]

I’m still waiting for Iridium to replace the cellular device as promised in 1988………

The iridium network has ~80 satellites with a maximum bandwidth of 2.4kbps per device

Starlink currently has ~3,000 satellites with a maximum bandwidth of 500,000.0kbps per device

So pretty comparable though Starlink has a slight advantage of 40 times more satellites and 200,000 times more bandwidth per satellite.

They want to eventually have 40,000 in orbit

Not to mention the launch costs, each Starlink launch puts 10x more sats into orbit than a Delta II iridium launch, and costs a mere fraction because the 1st stage is recovered and reused on a Falcon 9 as opposed to being lost into the ocean with a Delta.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

The iridium network has ~80 satellites with a maximum bandwidth of 2.4kbps per device

Starlink currently has ~3,000 satellites with a maximum bandwidth of 500,000.0kbps per device

So pretty comparable though Starlink has a slight advantage of 40 times more satellites and 200,000 times more bandwidth per satellite.

They want to eventually have 40,000 in orbit

Not to mention the launch costs, each Starlink launch puts 10x more sats into orbit than a Delta II iridium launch, and costs a mere fraction because the 1st stage is recovered and reused on a Falcon 9 as opposed to being lost into the ocean with a Delta.

While in Brazil, getting an acceptable Satellite signal to call the wife was a real challenge. Finding a spot where you can both see the sky and get a signal was a random goat rope at best. With 3000 satellite in orbit, there should always be a signal the device can "see".

I'm never, ever going to doubt Elon Musk's ability to make difficult technologies work. However, I'm glad to see that there are so many RDP members that are smarter than Elon.

I believe his motive are in fact to move the human race forward. Perhaps I'm naive, but his actions say otherwise.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

While in Brazil, getting an acceptable Satellite signal to call the wife was a real challenge. Finding a spot where you can both see the sky and get a signal was a random goat rope at best. With 3000 satellite in orbit, there should always be a signal the device can "see".

I'm never, ever going to doubt Elon Musk's ability to make difficult technologies work. However, I'm glad to see that there are so many RDP members that are smarter than Elon.

I believe his motive are in fact to move the human race forward. Perhaps I'm naive, but his actions say otherwise.

The founders of Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple etc. all said they wanted to move the human race forward too. Those results are debatable

It a situation of be careful what you wish for.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

The founders of Google, Amazon, Facebook, Apple etc. all said they wanted to move the human race forward too. Those results are debatable

It a situation of be careful what you wish for.

Agree 1000%, But their actions don't support that statement.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Agree 1000%, But their actions don't support that statement.

That depends entirely on who you ask

 

[coolchange]

I think Musk is at least smart enough to not be the Beta Max of the 21st century.

 

[Racey]

T mobil is going to give mid band spectrum band to starlink for cellular service on the sats

Starlink operates at 24ghz, this mid band is appx 1.6ghz

It will work with your current phone, and have about 1000x the throughput of iridium.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

T mobil is going to give mid band spectrum band to starlink for cellular service on the sats

Starlink operates at 24ghz, this mid band is appx 1.6ghz

It will work with your current phone, and have about 1000x the throughput of iridium.

Remember when Tesla was going to crush Apple?

Now they will operate on a common network to drive more adoption and give customers choice instead of trying to crush the competition.

 

[Flatsix66]

iPhone 14 Pro Emergency SOS via satellite cost: Apple says Emergency SOS via satellite will be available starting in the US and Canada in November, and the service will be included for free for two years with the activation of iPhone 14 Pro.

 

[530RL]

iPhone 14 Pro Emergency SOS via satellite cost: Apple says Emergency SOS via satellite will be available starting in the US and Canada in November, and the service will be included for free for two years with the activation of iPhone 14 Pro.

Apple is using Globalstar and the PSTN.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Will this be phone service, or just an emergency beacon?

 

[Flatsix66]

They need to add an emergency to the list: Out of Beer

 

[MK1MOD0]

Agree 1000%, But their actions don't support that statement.

Interesting that you changed your screen name.

 

[pronstar]

Some added detail to Racey’s video that’s posted above

T-Mobile phones will connect to Starlink starting next year

SpaceX's Elon Musk and T-Mobile's Mike Sievert announced the "technology alliance" at the space company's Starbase in Texas.

techcrunch.com

 

[Orange Juice]

I’m happy with my apple iPhone and iPad, and the apps.