DC plane crash.

[Bobby V]

Imma going to go with bs on that. 5000 hours maybe. I don't remember all the specifics of the conversation with a pilot of one but your not getting anywhere near either seat of a military hawk with 500 hrs Unless training. I doubt that any training exercises would be held near a commercial airport.

Could be wrong, but the qualifications for a seat (was) are steep.

I heard a report that the training pilot had 1000 hours and the trainee had 500 hours. Not sure about the woman part either since the person on the radio to the tower was a man’s voice.

 

[rrrr]

Imma going to go with bs on that. 5000 hours maybe. I don't remember all the specifics of the conversation with a pilot of one but your not getting anywhere near either seat of a military hawk with 500 hrs Unless training. I doubt that any training exercises would be held near a commercial airport.

Could be wrong, but the qualifications for a seat (was) are steep.

The crew's hours provided by the Army are in line with normal careers. A thousand hours represents around ten years of flight experience, and five hundred hours is typical of four or five years.

Military pilots don't get the seat time one would expect. It's rare for a fighter pilot to amass 5,000 hours in a twenty year career. Once they make Major, most of their flying is behind a desk.

 

[ChumpChange]

The implication here is that diverse hires are somehow lacking in brain power — an assertion that is certain to please Trump's racist base.

As you were...

It’s not that they are lacking in brain power, it’s just that they are not the most qualified compared to other applicants at the same time. Unfortunately, sometimes that means life and death.

True personal story. Back in the day I wanted to be a police officer. Went through multiple departments and passed all exams. Peak physical condition. I didn’t just show up to the tests, I trained for it.

I remember taking the county test and the lady who graded my scores said she had never seen a score as high as mine. I missed 1 out of 50. College graduate. No tattoos. Never did any drugs.

Supposedly I was placed approximately 48 out of 200 applicants at the time. That was the highest position for a white male. I’m not saying I should’ve been number one but there were a lot of people lesser qualified than me that were ahead of me because of who I am.

By the time I went through backgrounds, I had a better job and withdrew my name. Plenty of lesser qualified people were hired than me. And we’ve seen that in our police forces. When you don’t hire the best, you’re not gonna get the best results.

 

[HST4ME]

The crew's hours provided by the Army are in line with normal careers. A thousand hours represents around ten years of flight experience, and five hundred hours is typical of four or five years.

Military pilots don't get the seat time one would expect. It's rare for a fighter pilot to amass 5,000 hours in a twenty year career. Once they make Major, most of their flying is behind a desk.

I should give him a call for some input. He flew mostly out of Selfridge and the base in the UP. Rigged a few of his boats. That conversation was quite a while ago over some beers on the lake.

He has some hair raising stories of events in the whirlies.

 

[brgrcru]

It’s not that they are lacking in brain power, it’s just that they are not the most qualified compared to other applicants at the same time. Unfortunately, sometimes that means life and death.

True personal story. Back in the day I wanted to be a police officer. Went through multiple departments and passed all exams. Peak physical condition. I didn’t just show up to the tests, I trained for it.

I remember taking the county test and the lady who graded my scores said she had never seen a score as high as mine. I missed 1 out of 50. College graduate. No tattoos. Never did any drugs.

Supposedly I was placed approximately 48 out of 200 applicants at the time. That was the highest position for a white male. I’m not saying I should’ve been number one but there were a lot of people lesser qualified than me that were ahead of me because of who I am.

By the time I went through backgrounds, I had a better job and withdrew my name. Plenty of lesser qualified people were hired than me. And we’ve seen that in our police forces. When you don’t hire the best, you’re not gonna get the best results.

Had that play out in my life also
Affirmative Action was another horrible shit show.

Same as dei but years earlier

 

[HCP3]

View attachment 1474382

Video shows DC plane crash involving American Airlines flight, Black Hawk helicopter

The collision of an airplane and a military helicopter was caught on video -- there was a fiery explosion.

www.foxnews.com

 

[stephenkatsea]

Appears shared fault is coming forth. Reportedly when ATC spoke to the military helicopter, they did not designate to which aircraft they were referring. They reportedly failed to precisely designate “do you see the aircraft at your 11 O’clock?” “Your 11 O’clock” would have been the proper designation when speaking to the passing military helicopter, to minimize/eliminate potential confusion. But, they didn’t say that. All ATC said was, do you see the aircraft?

 

[regor]

Investigators have already begun examining every aspect of the crash, including questions about why the Army Black Hawk helicopter was 100 feet above its permitted altitude and whether the air traffic control tower was properly staffed.

 

[rrrr]

I should give him a call for some input. He flew mostly out of Selfridge...

Time for a history lesson!

US Army Lieutenant Thomas Selfridge was the first person to die in a powered airplane crash. It happened in September 1908 at Virginia's Fort Myer, and Orville Wright was at the controls. Selfridge was buried in Arlington National Cemetery, and there's a tall obelisk stone on the grave.

 

[HST4ME]

rrrr is on it

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1885150091683451190

 

[Cray Paper]

"Today, you blamed the diversity element but then told us that you weren't sure that the controllers made any mistake. You then said that perhaps the helicopter pilots were the one's who made a mistake," said a reporter.

"Yup. It's all under investigation, " said Trump.

"I understand that," said the reporter. "That's why I'm trying to figure out how you can come to the conclusion right now that diversity had something to do with this crash?"

"Because I have common sense, okay?" said Trump. "

SO, ITS COMMON SENSE THAT IF SOMETHING GOES WRONG, A BLACK OR BROWN PERSON MUST BE AT FAULT.
GOT IT...

Man, put the race card down. Trump jumped the shark with his knee jerk public reaction and assigning blame before the investigation has even started, I wish he wouldn't have but he did. It kneecaps the agencies that are responsible for investigating these types of things. But... do you think he is more informed of what really happened as POTUS than anyone else on the planet when he speaks of these things? I am not making excuses for him, but his track record of being right in his very accurate. You also jumped to conclusions, no different than Trump, no?

Listening to talk radio today on the way home from work, I heard retired ATC's and pilots call in and talk about what happened as well as heard the following...The Tower should have had 30 ATC in it at the time. They had 19. The The FAA requires one ATC to handle all helicopters and one to handle all incoming and departing commercial flights. Since the tower was understaffed by more than 30%, the ACT that was handling Helo's was also handling take offs and landings. Why was the FAA understaffed??
Because Obama mandated diversity hiring. It takes a very specific personability type to be a ACT, a retired ACT called in and said they are all the type engineer, tech geek type that usually run HAM radio stations out of their homes. How many of those types do you know? I can see how Trump made the connections and put the blame ultimately where it should probably be, last night should have been entirely about mourning and empathy, but that isn't who the US elected as POTUS both with the electoral college and popular vote. I wish he would have toned it down, but appreciate that he is willing to put blame where it should lay and have 100% certainty that he will fix it.

That is what he does, gets shit done.

 

[4Waters]

Another angle

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1684888462370720

 

[Cray Paper]

It’s not that they are lacking in brain power, it’s just that they are not the most qualified compared to other applicants at the same time. Unfortunately, sometimes that means life and death.

True personal story. Back in the day I wanted to be a police officer. Went through multiple departments and passed all exams. Peak physical condition. I didn’t just show up to the tests, I trained for it.

I remember taking the county test and the lady who graded my scores said she had never seen a score as high as mine. I missed 1 out of 50. College graduate. No tattoos. Never did any drugs.

Supposedly I was placed approximately 48 out of 200 applicants at the time. That was the highest position for a white male. I’m not saying I should’ve been number one but there were a lot of people lesser qualified than me that were ahead of me because of who I am.

By the time I went through backgrounds, I had a better job and withdrew my name. Plenty of lesser qualified people were hired than me. And we’ve seen that in our police forces. When you don’t hire the best, you’re not gonna get the best results.

I had a similar experience in WA State in the early 90's taking a civil service physical aptitude test so I could apply for the Seattle Fire Department. Every station I went to I was told that there is NFW they will advance your test results, your a white straight male, you are not what they are looking for. I went through with the testing, I had trained for it and felt I was kicking ass, never heard back from the state. I watched so many out of shape non white males floundering and being coached up it really emphasized what I was being told by the straight shooters at each station. It was called affirmative action back then, similar to DEI now.

 

[4Waters]

I had a similar experience in WA State in the early 90's taking a civil service physical aptitude test so I could apply for the Seattle Fire Department. Every station I went to I was told that there is NFW they will advance your test results, your a white straight male, you are not what they are looking for. I went through with the testing, I had trained for it and felt I was kicking ass, never heard back from the state. I watched so many out of shape non white males floundering and being coached up it really emphasized what I was being told by the straight shooters at each station. It was called affirmative action back then, similar to DEI now.

What you experienced was white privilege

 

[Cray Paper]

What you experienced was white privilege

It was eye opening to me. I stayed in my lane and and it has turned out OK being in the carpenters union. But yes, I still have a bur under my saddle about the experience.