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Rudders on jet boats are largely ineffective because they have nothing to turn against like forward mounted turn fins and a small surface area back of the transom.
Well you can do what my dad did. We added a forward mounted drop fin on our jet when we raced it. (Along with having a rudder)

The first time he installed it he put it up where a v drive fin would be, about spun out trying to turn it. Moved it back like two feet (now in front of the engine) and it would turn on a dime and make change.

So it can work, at least on a v bottom.
 

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I've built and tuned a few different blown cars. Funny, I've never had any of em do that, pulling up to a stop light.

I guess your experience is different than mine?

Pretty sure my customers would be pretty pissed, if it stalled Everytime they took their foot off the gas.

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thats what i'm saying...

someone has to tell all the dudes in the pits to quit chopping them throttles, it seems like thats allI ever hear :)
 

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thats what i'm saying...

someone has to tell all the dudes in the pits to quit chopping them throttles, it seems like thats allI ever hear :)

Right on que, in my Instagram feed...

 

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Let’s speculate…….

Questions for operator………..

How much seat time did the captain have with jet boats? Or this boat in particular?

Did captain ever experience a direction change when hitting wakes on previous drives? (This question is important)

Did the captain ever practice emergency responses to traffic situations? In other words, did he practice how to most effectively stop, OR redirect the boat?
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A jet boat is going wherever it wants to if you lose power or a steering cable, not any "responses" that I know of that you can do.
 

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A jet boat is going wherever it wants to if you lose power or a steering cable, not any "responses" that I know of that you can do.
Neither the lose of power or a broken steering cable are going to absolve the vessels operator, from liability in an accident. Please don’t pretend that it does. It does not.

The accident video is proof that he was operating the boat in an unsafe manner. Let’s call it……. Too fast for conditions for starters. Had he not be going the speed that he was going……… he would not have gone over dock. Too fast for conditions.

There are probably a few more maritime laws that apply, but I think I made my point.
 

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Neither the lose of power or a broken steering cable are going to absolve the vessels operator, from liability in an accident. Please don’t pretend that it does. It does not.

The accident video is proof that he was operating the boat in an unsafe manner. Let’s call it……. Too fast for conditions for starters. Had he not be going the speed that he was going……… he would not have gone over dock. Too fast for conditions.

There are probably a few more maritime laws that apply, but I think I made my point.
So what’s the course of action assuming it was as described?
 

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If you lose steering in a jet but still have power, and only if you’re in imminent danger of hitting something, slam it into reverse and hammer the gas. As long as the ride plate isn’t interfering with the thrust from the reverse gate it can provide a less than ideal braking action.

Not something you want to do unless you have to. On our boat I had to put the place diverter into more up position for it to be somewhat effective.
 

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Neither the lose of power or a broken steering cable are going to absolve the vessels operator, from liability in an accident. Please don’t pretend that it does. It does not.

The accident video is proof that he was operating the boat in an unsafe manner. Let’s call it……. Too fast for conditions for starters. Had he not be going the speed that he was going……… he would not have gone over dock. Too fast for conditions.

There are probably a few more maritime laws that apply, but I think I made my point.
Not "pretending" anything just responding to your questions about a jet boat.
I guess he could have been idling up and down the river just in case he had a motor issue and he would just stop dead in the water but doesn't sound like much fun to me.
We have had a couple crazy things happen in our jet boat that are good stories but would hate to get critiqued by Cap'n C-Ya.
 
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The needle was threaded, no major injuries, help and good fellowship provided.

Bad shit happens to good people all the time no matter the cause. Identify and apply some compassion if it wasn't you.

If one could shoot poisonous social media comments it still wouldn't slow them down.
 

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909……..😎

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Neither the lose of power or a broken steering cable are going to absolve the vessels operator, from liability in an accident. Please don’t pretend that it does. It does not.

The accident video is proof that he was operating the boat in an unsafe manner. Let’s call it……. Too fast for conditions for starters. Had he not be going the speed that he was going……… he would not have gone over dock. Too fast for conditions.

There are probably a few more maritime laws that apply, but I think I made my point.
You ever drive a <21' jet boat and loose power or steering? If you haven't, you have no grounds to make comments about operating one or making remarks about others accidents. They're like a Seadoo. When you loose power or steering while on plane you are just along for a ride and they don't track straight or turn by steering wheel without power.
 
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You ever drive a <21' jet boat and loose power or steering? If you haven't, you have no grounds to make comments about operating one or making remarks about others accidents. They're like a Seadoo. When you loose power or steering while on plane you are just along for a ride and they don't track straight or turn by steering wheel without power.
Ok I'll jump in here . Yes when the power goes out there is no steering . But the jackass was trying to make a high speed pass not far off from the dock to get pictures of himself . Anything could have gone wrong . Maybe a roller that sent him in a different direction or anything else . You don't do that in crowded areas . He's lucky . If the engine cut out 5 sec later he was going to be going over the boats and people who were on the dock .
 

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Not "pretending" anything just responding to your questions about a jet boat.
I guess he could have been idling up and down the river just in case he had a motor issue and he would just stop dead in the water but doesn't sound like much fun to me.
We have had a couple crazy things happen in our jet boat that are good stories but would hate to get critiqued by Cap'n C-Ya.
I am not trying to be a dick.

Maritime Law does not take into consideration what kind of boat it is. Maritime Law looks at the facts of the incident.

I absolutely agree about what it takes to control a jet boat. However, Maritime Law does not take that into consideration.

Boatimg accidents are covered by Maritime Law. I already have a good idea of how competent maritime attorney is going to see it.

I am sorry I used the word pretending. I know that’s not what you meant.

Geez…….. I see accidents whereas the captain did everything right, but was still found 20% responsible.

I truly am sorry for my choice of words, and not elaborating on how it would be viewed in a court.

I still think the passenger looks like Bernie…….. lol
 

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I am not trying to be a dick.

Maritime Law does not take into consideration what kind of boat it is. Maritime Law looks at the facts of the incident.

I absolutely agree about what it takes to control a jet boat. However, Maritime Law does not take that into consideration.

Boatimg accidents are covered by Maritime Law. I already have a good idea of how competent maritime attorney is going to see it.

I am sorry I used the word pretending. I know that’s not what you meant.

Geez…….. I see accidents whereas the captain did everything right, but was still found 20% responsible.

I truly am sorry for my choice of words, and not elaborating on how it would be viewed in a court.

I still think the passenger looks like Bernie…….. lol

Arizona Revised Statutes:

5-343.
Speed restrictions; excessive wake

No person shall operate a watercraft in excess of the posted limit or at a speed greater than is reasonable and prudent under the conditions and having regard to the actual and potential hazards then existing. In every event, speed shall be so controlled as may be necessary to avoid colliding with any person or other watercraft, swamping other watercraft or otherwise endangering the lives or property of other persons.

Federal Navigation Rules

—INLAND—
Steering and Sailing Rules
Rule 6
Safe speed
§ 83.06

Every vessel shall at all times proceed at a safe speed so that she can take proper
and effective action to avoid collision and be stopped within a distance
appropriate to the prevailing circumstances and conditions.

In determining a safe speed the following factors shall be among those taken
into account:

(a) By all vessels:
(i) The state of visibility;
(ii) The traffic density including concentration of fishing vessels or any
other vessels;
(iii) The maneuverability of the vessel with special reference to stopping
distance and turning ability in the prevailing conditions;
(iv) At night, the presence of background light such as from shore lights or
from back scatter of her own lights;
(v) The state of wind, sea, and current, and the proximity of navigational
hazards;
(vi) The draft in relation to the available depth of water.
 
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