CCW - LA County

[j21black]

Your instructor told you to shoot to kill?
I have been told in every class I've taken in three states that you "shoot to stop the threat." That doesn't mean try to shoot them in the leg. If you say you intended to kill in court, you're likely going to be unhappy with the result. Feel free to do what you have to do, but that's not what I was taught, and it's not my mindest because of it.

BTW, this is the wording that I heard Kyle Rittenhouse use repeatedly in his defense. He intended to "stop the threat."

Mine said the same thing. Make sure they are dead.

 

[4Waters]

This was posted on a community forum yesterday.

One word "fucked"

They were told in multiple posts that their "friend" will be charged with a felony. I wouldn't be surprised of the OP is the "friend"

 

[CLdrinker]

After reading some of these responses.

I think seeking some education would be wise for some.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Mine said the same thing. Make sure they are dead.

That's a really good way to end up in jail. There's a famous instance out of Oklahoma where 2 guys robbed a pharmacy. Pharmacist shot at both of them, hit one who went down in the doorway and the other fled. He then grabbed another gun and emptied the wheel of the new gun into the guy that's on the ground. He's now in prison for life for murder.

 

[Englewood]

My class was last week. I learned to shut the fuck up.

Bought insurance and they gave me the bat line phone number. Saved it in my phone and my wife’s phone. Told the wife to read the pamphlet and if shit ever happens to shut the fuck up and call the number I saved in her phone.

Don't forget to piss your pants cause you were terrified for your life.

In my class there was a retired teacher and myself. At the end of the day, AVOID discharging the weapon at all costs. If it means being a p*ssy and retreating, so be it. Your family and freedom is worth more that dealing with the aftermath. Lastly, get insurance and put everything you own in a trust. The family of the scumbag you shoot will come after everything you've worked so hard for.

 

[BHC Vic]

Don't forget to piss your pants cause you were terrified for your life.

In my class there was a retired teacher and myself. At the end of the day, AVOID discharging the weapon at all costs. If it means being a p*ssy and retreating, so be it. Your family and freedom is worth more that dealing with the aftermath. Lastly, get insurance and put everything you own in a trust. The family of the scumbag you shoot will come after everything you've worked so hard for.

There was a situation not to long ago in Bakersfield. Some guys were hassling me trying to get a ride and I was afraid I was going to get car jacked. I literally ran across the street and into a dennys at full sprint. Still feel like a little bitch but I’m happy with the outcome.

 

[Englewood]

There was a situation not to long ago in Bakersfield. Some guys were hassling me trying to get a ride and I was afraid I was going to get car jacked. I literally ran across the street and into a dennys at full sprint. Still feel like a little bitch but I’m happy with the outcome.

No way dude. That was the smart thing to do...The car isn't worth it, nor is your life. Those guys have nothing to lose. Your family needs you.

 

[hallett21]

^^^this! Too many people think about this in context of "can I shoot someone if they do X." Your CCW is not a hunting license. No matter how justified a use of force is, there are absolutely going to be mental/emotional/legal repercussions that you should be prepared for. So only use force if the outcomes of you NOT using that force are so bad, that they are unfathomable and make the mental/emotional/legal repercussions worth it to take on. This normally means death/great bodily hard to you and/or your loved ones is imminent.

So devils advocate here. What’s the point of the CCW? Meaning outside of being on the hood of a cop car or interacting with LEO in a fashion that requires telling them you have a firearm on you, I’m not sure how that card “benefits” Joe citizen.

If an event occurs and a CCW holder eliminates the threat and a non CCW holder eliminates the threat the only difference is the non holder gets a misdemeanor for concealing right? Sorry for the run on sentences lol.

Concealing without a permit is a misdemeanor in CA

 

[ArizonaKevin]

So devils advocate here. What’s the point of the CCW? Meaning outside of being on the hood of a cop car or interacting with LEO in a fashion that requires telling them you have a firearm on you, I’m not sure how that card “benefits” Joe citizen.

If an event occurs and a CCW holder eliminates the threat and a non CCW holder eliminates the threat the only difference is the non holder gets a misdemeanor for concealing right? Sorry for the run on sentences lol.

Concealing without a permit is a misdemeanor in CA

Certainly not a legal expert by any means, but I would imagine a malicious prosecutor would try to use the fact that someone is carrying without a permit to show that they had broader mal-intent to try to make additional charges related to the use of force stick. I would guess that, given the exact same circumstances of a shooting, the CCW holder is more likely to be acquitted than a non-CCW holder.

In AZ, we have constitutional carry so a CCW isn't required to carry a firearm. Having one allows you to carry into more places (places that serve alcohol, national parks in the state etc) and allows you to bypass the 4473 background check when buying a new firearm.

 

[Backlash]

There was a situation not to long ago in Bakersfield. Some guys were hassling me trying to get a ride and I was afraid I was going to get car jacked. I literally ran across the street and into a dennys at full sprint. Still feel like a little bitch but I’m happy with the outcome.

This made me laugh simply because it was not the response I expected from you! Good job on your part! And no. You're not a little bitch. You're alive and well today because of your actions and you have the ability to be at home with your family every day because of your actions. No lawsuits, no jail time, etc. You did the right thing.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

This made me laugh simply because it was not the response I expected from you! Good job on your part! And no. You're not a little bitch. You're alive and well today because of your actions and you have the ability to be at home with your family every day because of your actions. No lawsuits, no jail time, etc. You did the right thing.

He who turns and walks away lives to fight another day. Though we've never personally met, I can't imagine the Vic of 8-10 years ago do that, so well done!

Seems like most dudes struggle with this when it comes to their spouse and defending her honor. I've set very clear expectations with my wife, I'll never let someone physically hurt you, but if someone calls you a fat bitch, I will say "yes sir you are right" and we will leave. No need to start a physical altercation while I am armed in that circumstance.

 

[JLG614]

There was a situation not to long ago in Bakersfield. Some guys were hassling me trying to get a ride and I was afraid I was going to get car jacked. I literally ran across the street and into a dennys at full sprint. Still feel like a little bitch but I’m happy with the outcome.

I have a ccw and carry and I would have done the exact same thing. Funny I actually had this conversation with some friends recently about the possibility of getting car jacked. If I’m by myself and was to come into a situation like that I’d do exactly what you did and let someone have the truck. I have insurance no need to die or get in a gunfight over something replaceable. And for sure not going to jail over a truck. Now if I had my wife and kids in the car and a situation like that arose that’s a whole different conversation

 

[BHC Vic]

I have a ccw and carry and I would have done the exact same thing. Funny I actually had this conversation with some friends recently about the possibility of getting car jacked. If I’m by myself and was to come into a situation like that I’d do exactly what you did and let someone have the truck. I have insurance no need to die or get in a gunfight over something replaceable. And for sure not going to jail over a truck. Now if I had my wife and kids in the car and a situation like that arose that’s a whole different conversation

A couple of my buddies were like but dude aren’t you always carrying. I said yes, but I’m not sure how it would look in court trying to defend i shot a guy and his buddies asking for a ride.

 

[CLdrinker]

Don't forget to piss your pants cause you were terrified for your life.

In my class there was a retired teacher and myself. At the end of the day, AVOID discharging the weapon at all costs. If it means being a p*ssy and retreating, so be it. Your family and freedom is worth more that dealing with the aftermath. Lastly, get insurance and put everything you own in a trust. The family of the scumbag you shoot will come after everything you've worked so hard for.

100%
Before I carried I was a “tuff guy” didn’t take shit and would run my yap not to mention road rage. Now that I carry I’m a big pussy.

Fuck getting into a gun fight. Nothing is worth it except the 5 lives I’m responsible for.

 

[JLG614]

100%
Before I carried I was a “tuff guy” didn’t take shit and would run my yap not to mention road rage. Now that I carry I’m a big pussy.

Fuck getting into a gun fight. Nothing is worth it except the 5 lives I’m responsible for.

This

 

[Dog]

The devil is in the details. You never know how a group of 12 of your peers are going to perceive your actions. BUT you will be alive to find out.

Video is everywhere now days, unfortunately some people don't interpret what they see the same as someone else.

 

[Good Stuff]

Your instructor told you to shoot to kill?
I have been told in every class I've taken in three states that you "shoot to stop the threat." That doesn't mean try to shoot them in the leg. If you say you intended to kill in court, you're likely going to be unhappy with the result. Feel free to do what you have to do, but that's not what I was taught, and it's not my mindest because of it.

BTW, this is the wording that I heard Kyle Rittenhouse use repeatedly in his defense. He intended to "stop the threat."

Center of mass for greatest chance of stopping the threat and lowest chance of collateral injury. In all honesty a wounded assailant is a greater threat to life and property in California than a dead or unwounded one. My CCW instructors have all said that being a live witness is better than being a defendant who stopped a criminal act with lethal force. California department of justice loves criminals and their rights.

 

[Desert Whaler]

Non CCW Related . . . but new CA Gun Law which You can add to the list, Senate Bill 53 . . .
Safe Storage Law expansion . . . has to be on you or directly next to you while in the home . . . if not, you just broke the law if it's not locked up.

 

[BHC Vic]

Sorry I had to stop the video about 30 seconds in. First watching what he did was stupid then he says effective 2026 and I clicked out

 

[BHC Vic]

That was also a question we were all asked in our class. Do you carry in your home. I have young kids so they are either on my person or in their storage spot. We were also asked about what we use in our vehicles if we go somewhere our gun can’t. Disneyland etc…

 

[Desert Whaler]

Yeah , that guy is a dweeb . . . just never ceases to amaze me every time another CA gun law gets signed.

 

[BHC Vic]

Yeah , that guy is a dweeb . . . just never ceases to amaze me every time another CA gun law gets signed.

Yea our instructor was a little irritated about the whole thing. Basically said if they get what they put forward you can basically carry your gun in your house and in the middle of the street. He was kind of joking kind of serious if that makes sense

 

[havasujeeper]

self defense

IMHO, this is what is the most important that many don't understand, and why an initial 2 day class is mandatory.

 

[77charger]

This was posted on a community forum yesterday.

One word "fucked"

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They were told in multiple posts that their "friend" will be charged with a felony. I wouldn't be surprised of the OP is the "friend"

Sounds like straw purchase.

 

[77charger]

100%
Before I carried I was a “tuff guy” didn’t take shit and would run my yap not to mention road rage. Now that I carry I’m a big pussy.

Fuck getting into a gun fight. Nothing is worth it except the 5 lives I’m responsible for.

I never played tough guy rather avoid a fight so kept mouth shut.

But the road rage yeh I could get pissed throw up a finger etc. now that I carry at home I just seem to let it go not worth it as many others carry around here too.

Get cut off I just back up and continue on. Way I feel now not worth a confrontation that can change your whole life foward.

 

[4Waters]

Sounds like straw purchase.

It was

 

[jetboatperformance]

Kicking myself regularly ..............In the early 90's I belonged to the SLO Sherriff's Posse . Under the 831 PC "Reserve Deputy", we were issued CCW permits One year I just couldnt make the SO appointment for whatever reason and once it lapsed It became aan ordeal to get it back ................. Funny part I guess is one of the weapons on it was My Ruger Redhawk 44 mag

 

[mjc]

Yeah , that guy is a dweeb . . . just never ceases to amaze me every time another CA gun law gets signed.

I read a news story the other day Newscum signed 24 more gun laws.

 

[j21black]

That's a really good way to end up in jail. There's a famous instance out of Oklahoma where 2 guys robbed a pharmacy. Pharmacist shot at both of them, hit one who went down in the doorway and the other fled. He then grabbed another gun and emptied the wheel of the new gun into the guy that's on the ground. He's now in prison for life for murder.

He didn't say to empty the gun into a guy on the ground. I can see how that played out for the Pharmacist the way it did.

Circumstances do play a role....