Can the "it's only a dry heat" crowd explain the stats?

[rivermobster]

Border crossers would not be an issue for Florida.

Sooooo, you've never heard of Cuba??

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[stephenkatsea]

Sooooo, you've never heard of Cuba??

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

The amount of Cubans coming to FL would be a tiny fraction of those crossing into TX, AZ & CA.

 

[Your ad here]

It's all them Californians that are coming over. Keeping their California ways and refusing to accept the lifestyle and the way life is in the state they moved to.

 

[Outdrive1]

Sooooo, you've never heard of Cuba??

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

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I saw a news report on the Canadian border. There were Indian (dot not feather) immigrants and there’s no wall or enforcement. They walk across and call a taxi to New York City. All the focus is on the southern border.

 

[pronstar]

My oven is pretty dry.
Doesn’t mean I want to hang-out inside it.

 

[DaytonaBabe]

Arizona is dangerous. Everyone should leave, immediately.


Byeeeeee!

 

[500bbc]

So just looking at extreme heat - over 110 days

This is based out of Phoenix

2023 had 55 days of over 110 days one of the worst years

2024 So far up until July 18 we have had 28 days of over 110 days so most likely they will surpass the 2023 figure

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Where were the temperatures recorded?
Rural uninhabited areas like in the past or in urban heat islands where all the glazing is reflective, the roofs reflective and the roadways black asphalt?

 

[wallnutz]

What is homeless and fentanyl for $500 Alex!!

 

[Gelcoater]

Doesn't fit the narrative. Rarely is anything by AP ever in context. I'll only read an AP article for entertainment. I know going in it is some kind of slanted propaganda
for one of their "sponsors". As is most of the corporate media these days.

Doesn't fit the narrative. Rarely is anything by AP ever in context. I'll only read an AP article for entertainment. I know going in it is some kind of slanted propaganda
for one of their "sponsors". As is most of the corporate media these days.

Like this?

 

[2Driver]

LOL You take a picture of I-10 in the inner city at rush hour and say why live here? Then don't live in the inner city or hard metro areas.

Doesn't look like that in my neighborhood. 82/100 today in Carefree.

As I was driving through there, on the way home from the White Mountains, I was texting Tyro...

Why the Fuck do you live here?!?!?

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[OC Daytona]

Like this? View attachment 1414687

Holy crap Gelcoater!!!! I had not seen that one . That looks like something the Babylon Bee would have up as a joke.
It really is amazing. Who in the fuck reads AP to get their news?

It took the speedy SS 30 seconds to "whisk" him off that stage. 20 seconds of that was for DEI Karen to get her sidearm holstered

 

[rivermobster]

LOL You take a picture of I-10 in the inner city at rush hour and say why live here? Then don't live in the inner city or hard metro areas.

Doesn't look like that in my neighborhood. 82/100 today in Carefree. View attachment 1414694

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Like I said...

Was just passing through, from here (also AZ)...

 

[Sharp Shooter]

The map should look like this. Feel free to dog pyle onto this with some bums in Cali, tornados in the east, Hurricanes in the south and a blizzard or 2 up north. I'm all about being fair.

 

[Gelcoater]

Holy crap Gelcoater!!!! I had not seen that one . That looks like something the Babylon Bee would have up as a joke.
It really is amazing. Who in the fuck reads AP to get their news?

It took the speedy SS 30 seconds to "whisk" him off that stage. 20 seconds of that was for DEI Karen to get her sidearm holstered

CNN was along the same lines but more!

 

[Your ad here]

So just looking at extreme heat - over 110 days

This is based out of Phoenix

2023 had 55 days of over 110 days one of the worst years

2024 So far up until July 18 we have had 28 days of over 110 days so most likely they will surpass the 2023 figure

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I've been in Phoenix since '19. '20 and '21 were brutal summers. '22 and '23 were mild. '24 is feeling like a mild summer with just 1 extreme heat week so far. I'm out in it everyday driving heavy equipment with no A/C or on foot setting grades.

 

[DRYHEAT]

By chance did anyone see anything in the paper about the elderly couple that died in their backyard in Havasu a week or two ago? I just wondered if there was any more details.

Two bodies found in backyard of home on Dogwood Dr Wednesday night​

The Lake Havasu City Police Department has confirmed that the bodies of two elderly individuals were found in the backyard of a home last night on Dogwood Drive.

Michael Terrinoni with the police department said the two were found yesterday evening lying on the ground in the backyard of their home, located on the 3000 block of Dogwood Drive. Police were alerted of the situation just before 6 p.m.

Detectives with the LHCPD responded to the scene to assist and began a joint investigation with the Mohave County Medical Examiner's Office. Terrinoni said that at this point, it appears that the deaths are natural and no foul play is suspected.

Further, he said it appears that medical issues coupled with possible heat exposure could have contributed. The incident is still under active investigation, however.

 

[2Driver]

Like I said...

Was just passing through, from here (also AZ)...

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Nice but I'm 45 minutes from your intersection pic.

 

[OC Daytona]

CNN was along the same lines but more!
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Fuckn CNN!! Communist News Network. Ya, DJT "fell"...like he tripped over a sandbag or something Usually the only time I catch CNN is when something else I'm watching shows one of their ridiculous clips. But I have been pleasantly surprised a few times lately when their hosts have corrected one of the libturds they have on about an obviously false statement that they would have let slide most of the time in previous years. Even they can't tolerate all of the bullshit spewed on their channel.
And they only average something like 400k viewers per hour in a country of 340,000,000 ppl, so advertisers are leaving.

 

[rivermobster]

Nice but I'm 45 minutes from your intersection pic.

I'm glad it works for you.

 

[DLC]

Where were the temperatures recorded?
Rural uninhabited areas like in the past or in urban heat islands where all the glazing is reflective, the roofs reflective and the roadways black asphalt?

Phoenix

 

[rivermobster]

Phoenix

You spelled Hell wrong.

 

[Racey]

Does this mean the power company is culpable when they turn your thermostat up?

Sounds like the covid death numbers.

Motorcycle accident? nah it was the heat that killed him...

 

[kurtis500]

I want to agree, but in not sure I can?

The human body sweats. The sweat evaporating off your skin has a Massive cooling effect!

I was a mechanic, back in the day WAY before indoor dealerships were a thing. We had to work on hot cars, in over 100 degrees temps, here in SoCal every day, all summer long.

AND NOBODY DIED!!!

So I don't thing air temps above 98.6 degrees is the only problem here.

And having a fever (elevated core temp), isn't gonna kill somebody either. Lots of us have lived through that.

Tuesday I was working on my boat. I have a good primer tan, so being in the sun wasn't a problem. It was pushing 100, but I worked in that shit my whole life. No big.

But...

When I finally sat down to take a break, I realized I had DEFINITELY over done it! I was lightheaded, and it took a good long while before I felt normal again.

What signs did I miss, that I should have been looking for??

Simply....dehydration is NOT overheating. Feeling you're hot is not the same as being overheated. How it 'feels' to mow your lawn or walk to your car are not how it works. Until they finally shut down the hiking trails in 105F+ temps there were multiple people daily getting rescued off the mountains in Phoenix that were in shape and thought they felt fine...until they had to sit down and cant get back up. Without someone to step in thats where they die. Most illegals that die are found under a thin tree since its the only escape from the sun that is super heating everything it touches. The body's core temperature caused from fighting an infection is self regulated. The core temperature being pushed beyond its ability to regulate itself creates a few scenarios, some fatal or on their way. A lot of people rescued from an imminent heat death will say its more like being really tired and going to sleep. The body is moving blood away from areas that sense heat (skin) and to the organs to stay alive. Most of the people that go down from this are listed as other causes of death. it has ALWAYS been much higher. 30 years ago I would go to 5-10 calls over the summer and in the morninigs on the hottest days to a house or trailer with an elderly person who died over night. The house would only have a swamp cooler... very common and the stress caused by being unable to regulate the body temp finally pushed the heart over the edge. None of these were ever considered heat related... literally none. Homeless are the same, nearly everyone of them are on drugs and if they are found unresponsive in the sun and sent to the hospital where they eventually die of organ failure they are never, or rarely ever considered heat related. It happens more than people realize but most people dont care about those folks anyways.

 

[rivermobster]

Simply....dehydration is NOT overheating. Feeling you're hot is not the same as being overheated. How it 'feels' to mow your lawn or walk to your car are not how it works. Until they finally shut down the hiking trails in 105F+ temps there were multiple people daily getting rescued off the mountains in Phoenix that were in shape and thought they felt fine...until they had to sit down and cant get back up. Without someone to step in thats where they die. Most illegals that die are found under a thin tree since its the only escape from the sun that is super heating everything it touches. The body's core temperature caused from fighting an infection is self regulated. The core temperature being pushed beyond its ability to regulate itself creates a few scenarios, some fatal or on their way. A lot of people rescued from an imminent heat death will say its more like being really tired and going to sleep. The body is moving blood away from areas that sense heat (skin) and to the organs to stay alive.

Makes perfect sense.

What I'm asking is...

How do us mere mortals Recognize The Signs that we are overheated?

Note: That's Exactly what I did the other day. Felt fine, sat down, and then went "oh shit"...

 

[Racey]

You spelled Hell wrong.

Hot Los Angeles.

All the same garbage of LA without the nice weather.

 

[Mandelon]

It's because those ASU girls are so hot.

 

[t&y]

LOL You take a picture of I-10 in the inner city at rush hour and say why live here? Then don't live in the inner city or hard metro areas.

Doesn't look like that in my neighborhood. 82/100 today in Carefree. View attachment 1414694

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Where is that?

 

[2Driver]

Where is that?

Carefree and immediate area

 

[pcrussell50]

Homo sapiens is a tropical species. Our propagation drops off precipitously as you leave the tropics and even more as you leave the temperate latitudes... Even with nuclear power and all kinds of ways of burning things for heat.

A simple test is the animal test:
-strip a healthy person naked
-put him in the hottest place on earth, in the shade
-give him all the food and water he wants
-see how long he lives

NEXT

-strip a healthy person naked
-put him in the coldest place on earth, sun or shade
-give him all the food and water he wants
-see how long he lives

You will find the a healthy person can probably live close to indefinitely in scenario 1. And would probably live maybe an hour tops, in scenario 2.

This is why human beings die many many many times over more from cold than heat.

Globally, cold deaths are 9 times higher than heat-related ones. In no region is this ratio less than 3, and in many, it's over 10 times higher. Cold is more deadly than heat, even in the hottest parts of the world.Jul 1, 2024

https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future#:~:text=Globally, cold deaths are 9,hottest parts of the world.

Death from heat and cold is very species-specific. The most powerful legged predator (salt water crocodile) doesn't live outside the tropics and wouldn't last long if you moved it. A polar bear wouldn't last long in the tropics. Homo sapiens is not very cold tolerant natively. We have to burn things, grow things, or kill things in order to survive outside our natural environment, which is tropical.

-Peter

 

[DLC]

There are 3 different stages

Heat exhaustion
Heat stroke
Heat cramps

 

[DLC]

The best way to get hydrated is to mix a sports drink and water 50/50

The thinner consistency sports drink can be absorbed into the body faster when its deluded

Drinking only water you can still be dehydrated - need some electrolytes put back into your system

 

[pcrussell50]

And oh yeah. Right now the area of North America that is considerably colder than normal is about triple the area of North America that is considerably warmer than normal.

https://www.geographyrealm.com/map-cold-hot-temperature-anomalies-across-world/

 

[Hoodoo]

Sooooo, you've never heard of Cuba??

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

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Sooooo, you've never heard of Cuba??

What we know about unauthorized immigrants living in the U.S.

The unauthorized immigrant population in the U.S. grew to 11 million in 2022, but remained below the peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

www.pewresearch.org

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Cubans know how to stay cool. They also tend to vote Red.

 

[Hoodoo]

And oh yeah. Right now the area of North America that is considerably colder than normal is about triple the area of North America that is considerably warmer than normal.

https://www.geographyrealm.com/map-cold-hot-temperature-anomalies-across-world/

This part never gets reported.

 

[rivermobster]

This part never gets reported.

It's a six year old map.

I'd be curious what it looks like today?

 

[pcrussell50]

It's a six year old map.

I'd be curious what it looks like today?

Good catch. Here's NOAA's latest: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/climate-at-a-glance/global/mapping/tavg/202406/anomaly

at the approximate longitude and latitude of SoCal it is 0.76 degF warmer than the 1991-2020 mean. At the approximate lat/long of Phoenix it is 0.28 degF above the 1991-2020 mean. This is for June 2024, which is as recent as NOAA is reporting. We will have to wait, to get later data. You can choose all kinds of earlier months and years. Some are hot, some are cold... The way weather rolls.

It is an interactive map. You can play with all kinds of months and years and see when it was hotter than average and when it was cooler than average.

It is instructive to look back. A year ago, June of 2023 it was waaay more anomalously cool in SoCal and Phoenix than June of 2024 was anomalously hot. Vegas set records for cool. In 2023, Vegas set a record for most consecutive days without breaking 100 degF. I don't know if Vegas broke 100degF until July. The pisser for us in 2023 was that when we go boating we like to spend a lot of time in the water. And it was too cold for us until mid-late July. Usually it's nice enough (84-up) by early July. 84-85 is the temperature where you can begin to get into the water without a flinch. 82 you the water is OK after you get used to the first cold flinch. 85-up the water is nice and there is no cold-flinch to get over.



-Peter

 

[propcheck]

it was 671 2 years ago... not quite the fake numbers.

Im trying to figure out why Arizona would lie and the others wouldnt? Especially the great liberal state of California

Because Arizona is still pushing the BS agenda on people where as California has already gone full nut job on it. The fact that a medical examiner tried to pin a Fentanyl/Meth overdose on the climate should be all you need to know this article is just bias BS to push an agenda.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Fuck Phoenix.

As I was driving through there, on the way home from the White Mountains, I was texting Tyro...

Why the Fuck do you live here?!?!?

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It's true.

Those of us who live on the gore point of that on-ramp ask ourselves that question daily.

 

[pcrussell50]

The appeal of hot places depends on your affinity for water. By that I mean actually being physically in the water. Unfortunately, for our species anyway, there is no place on earth where you can have water comfortable enough to enter without flinching and having to tough it out to get used to it, and at the same time have dry land temperatures that are comfortable for vigorous dry land activities. Nothing illustrates this better than SoCal. Perfect climate for vigorous dry land activities like moto or downhill mountain bike or soccer or pickup basketball. But at the cost of being the number one wetsuit market in the world because of the freezing cold ocean keeping the land temps nice.

Hawai’i (I’m there every week for work), is about the closest compromise. With summer ocean temperatures about 83’ish, you still have to hold your breath and flinch a little to get in. Air temps will approach 90degF and humid. Not super comfortable in the sun. But tolerable when it’s cloudy or when the sun drops below the mountain ridges.

The deep tropics of Australia and Southeast Asia have flinch-free water but it’s warmer and more humid than Hawai’i.

The desert reservoirs in the Southwest USA reach flinch-free temperatures but they are too cold most of the year, which requires blast furnace heat to warm them up before the temps drops again.

-Peter

 

[DC-88]

Born in Phoenix and lived in 2 houses there as a kid, both slumpstone with Swampers and no A/C. Neither vehicle we had ( CJ5 and an older Ford sedan ) had A/C. In summer parents just cut the legs off the Toughskins and gave us sandals to wear instead of shoes. We played outside year round and were acclimated just like the kids today there do during hell week . Nobody died from heat stroke just living life , but I don't remember random people trying to hike Camelback or do the grand canyon down and back mid day with one tiny water bottle back then either. I don't remember seeing too many bums .

 

[kurtis500]

Because Arizona is still pushing the BS agenda on people where as California has already gone full nut job on it. The fact that a medical examiner tried to pin a Fentanyl/Meth overdose on the climate should be all you need to know this article is just bias BS to push an agenda.

than you have some facts on the deaths and proof the other states are suppressing the numbers? Send the link

 

[propcheck]

than you have some facts on the deaths and proof the other states are suppressing the numbers? Send the link

Well let me break this down for you
1. I did not say anybody was suppressing numbers.
2. You do not need a chart because you already stated in post 73 that you went to many morning calls for old dead people from possible heat related issues. That were not recorded as such.
3. The AP put this article in the Climate section using information provided about maricopa county that was more directly attributed to a change in the way deaths are recorded and the increase in poverty and drug addiction in the county. Which is covered in the interview provided by your own local KJIZZ and the link is in the original article you posted.
4. I am not saying temperatures are not changing my position is that the article by the AP is misrepresenting the statistics provided by authorities in an effort to conflate the issues of climate change and poverty.

 

[kurtis500]

Well let me break this down for you
1. I did not say anybody was suppressing numbers.
2. You do not need a chart because you already stated in post 73 that you went to many morning calls for old dead people from possible heat related issues. That were not recorded as such.
3. The AP put this article in the Climate section using information provided about maricopa county that was more directly attributed to a change in the way deaths are recorded and the increase in poverty and drug addiction in the county. Which is covered in the interview provided by your own local KJIZZ and the link is in the original article you posted.
4. I am not saying temperatures are not changing my position is that the article by the AP is misrepresenting the statistics provided by authorities in an effort to conflate the issues of climate change and poverty.

Lets take a look at this

1. In your post #87 you said Arizona is pushing an agenda. You were asked to supply a link or evidence, otherwise you are the one full of lies and false claims. and not just the AP.
2. My experience was to demonstrate heat related deaths that were never recorded as such. This was common during the hottest weeks of the year and a part of living in the heat without AC. There was no narrative to push, it was just hot enough to push people over the edge medically. Im sure you have some experience to bring to the table that would reject this as false?
3. The AP compiled stats that are facts and create their own narrative outside of the facts they researched. Sadly for you, this doesnt change the reality that there are real and verifiable dead people with a death certificate stating the cause of death. You can go find these yourself and make your stats, but theyll be the same numbers.
4. You dont seem to be able to understand the difference between verifiable, real, actual dead people and a death certificate stating a cause of death and the AP creating their own agenda with verified facts. These are made by medical examiners and not the AP.
5. Seems you are also accusing the medical examiners of lying and creating a false narrative.. Link for that too or maybe just another uneducated guess?

 

[DRYHEAT]

So what’s the endgame here? Why does any of this shit matter? People get used to what they get used to and live where they’re comfortable.

People have been dying from exposure to heat and cold forever, it’s only in the news now because of the climate change Nazis.

People like to bitch and moan about other places because it’s the national pastime. Same reason people in Arizona give a ration this shit to people in California and vice versa.

I walked barefoot through 8 feet of snow to school every day when I lived in cold country Then when I moved to Arizona, my feet got burned from walking to summer school in my bare feet.

 

[t&y]

@DRYHEAT Bout time you showed up!

 

[rivermobster]

So what’s the endgame here? Why does any of this shit matter? People get used to what they get used to and live where they’re comfortable.

People have been dying from exposure to heat and cold forever, it’s only in the news now because of the climate change Nazis.

People like to bitch and moan about other places because it’s the national pastime. Same reason people in Arizona give a ration this shit to people in California and vice versa.

I walked barefoot through 8 feet of snow to school every day when I lived in cold country Then when I moved to Arizona, my feet got burned from walking to summer school in my bare feet.

The end!

 

[DRYHEAT]

The end!

We could keep it going, if I questioned whether we landed on the moon or not.

 

[azsunfun]

Indians walk from the reservation to tucson, 35 or more miles, thumbs out with no takers, 8 - 10 hours later walking back! Americans are just lazy, fat, freeloading pussies as designed and programmed by our overlords.

 

[rivermobster]

We could keep it going, if I questioned whether we landed on the moon or not.

Oh please...

Let's not invite Those guys in here!!!

 

[rivermobster]

Indians walk from the reservation to tucson, 35 or more miles, thumbs out with no takers, 8 - 10 hours later walking back! Americans are just lazy, fat, freeloading pussies as designed and programmed by our overlords.

And people that hitch hike Aren't lazy?

I always thought the Indians were the OG Americans! Learn something new Every day.