California solar scum

[Boat 405]

This always is/was always the ultimate goal for solar in CA. In most areas it is also illegal to divorce yourself from the grid.



In CA, or outside of CA? This is what they are going to force the well off people to do. The poors can't afford it.

Southwest Colorado

 

[Boat 405]

It's 50 cents per Kw here in san diego by the time you add up all the fees and bullshit for tier 1. In Havasu I pay .10 or .15 depending on TOU. But I have 10.2 kw on the roof. I haven't had a power bill since Oct 2021. And If I ever want really get after it I can add about 8 more panels for about 13.5 total KW solar on the roof. But I see no reason to add any since I'm building a $200 per year credit as it is, keep the house at 72-73 and the garage at 72-73. Run the heat pump pool heater/chiller any time I want.

 

[500bbc]

We save P

The same people responsible for net metering 3.0 now want to force multi metered properties to sell their solar generated power to the utility first and buy electricity back at a higher rate. This is regardless if you own the panels or not.

California proposes “blatant seizure of property” in solar ruling

The California Public Utilities Commission is set to vote on a virtual net energy metering program that would force renters to sell solar generation to the utility and buy it back at a higher rate, outlawing them from consuming their electricity directly.

pv-magazine-usa.com

Talk about the ultimate scam. Force everything to move to green energy. Have the consumer fund the new power generation. Make all new construction have a solar requirement. Then remove all benefit to the consumer.

We save pranet!

 

[Ace in the Hole]

So the renters in a multifamily units own the panels? How does that work exactly?

They don’t the landlord does and this will dick them over. I designed and built a number of multi family systems in Hawaii for customers who would then have submeters on individual rental units giving them X amount of included electricity and then charging them for anything over.

 

[SBMech]

You guys are hilarious. Votes?

Why do you think CA is still blue, but everyone you know who lives here votes red>?

Your votes are tallied for demoshits....have been for decades....Yep. Dominion has been CA's exclusive voting system for a few decades now. Since it's inception in 2002.

They showed CA how to really fucking cheat. Go Digital!

 

[Taboma]

So the renters in a multifamily units own the panels? How does that work exactly?

This is one of the gaping holes in what reads like an solar industry trade magazine 'shock' article. They published almost the same article over a year ago, with little to no details in that issue as well.
Not stating it's not true or a serious concern for some types of property owners, but completely valid questions such as yours are missing.

As one example, in the beginning of the article there's a link to another one of their issues. In that issue it's a story about a $ 1.2 Million dollar grant for the installation for an 11 story multi-tennant/ multi-metered, low income housing. Obviously the low income renters didn't fund the system, or the type of program it was installed under.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Why can’t you just throw the mains input breaker if you have enough solar and battery capacity backup that you don’t need the grid?

That way you draw nothing from the grid but they don’t benefit from it either by you back feeding your excess?

You’re still technically connected.

Or is the point using your excess to pay all the service charges even if there’s no KWh draw on your billing?

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Southwest Colorado

Which town?

I've never heard of a requirement to have grid power. There was a house in Durango that has been "off grid" for decades, running panels and batteries.

Maybe California is different, dunno...

 

[CLdrinker]

Haha. The old switcharoo shocking. I mean how could anyone see that coming…. Besides Stevie Wonder

 

[Sleek-Jet]

They don’t the landlord does and this will dick them over. I designed and built a number of multi family systems in Hawaii for customers who would then have submeters on individual rental units giving them X amount of included electricity and then charging them for anything over.

Seems like the landlord would be the big loser, I guess it depends on how the leases are set up.

Out here, the interconnection is only at one point, so unless the landlord was offering a credit to the renter, the renter would not see any benefit of the panels.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why can’t you just throw the mains input breaker if you have enough solar and battery capacity backup that you don’t need the grid?

That way you draw nothing from the grid but they don’t benefit from it either by you back feeding your excess?

You’re still technically connected.

Or is the point using your excess to pay all the service charges even if there’s no KWh draw on your billing?

That depends on what is in the contract of the rebate program you signed up for.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

That depends on what is in the contract of the rebate program you signed up for.

I was thinking more on what the electrical utility would think of doing that.

 

[Ace in the Hole]

Seems like the landlord would be the big loser, I guess it depends on how the leases are set up.

Out here, the interconnection is only at one point, so unless the landlord was offering a credit to the renter, the renter would not see any benefit of the panels.

That’s what they were doing… central system, one interconnection. Landlord owned subpanels which individually metered units…giving them a credit himself and charging a premium for overage.

If this goes through landlord owned solar (which is already rare) would be over…wouldn’t make sense.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I was thinking more on what the electrical utility would think of doing that.

So was I. The buyback deals for solar power are with the utility. I don’t know what the verbiage is, but if you sign up with one of these new deals where they are buying your electricity, who owns the electricity?

If they take all of it and sell it back you, you don’t own any of it.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

So was I. The buyback deals for solar power are with the utility. I don’t know what the verbiage is, but if you sign up with one of these new deals where they are buying your electricity, who owns the electricity?

If they take all of it and sell it back you, you don’t own any of it.

Legally, the electricity from the panels belongs to whoever is buying the RECs.

 

[COCA COLA COWBOY]

They will ban you from going off grid. So just keep the meter hooked to the LED porch light. So you roll your own solar, generator and battery infrastructure.

So $100k plus just to live in the first world while nearly every other state pays $.10/kWh on the grid .

I'm about done with Cali....Flying to Texas soon to get the wifey on board. Just to get away from Franchise Tax Board it will be worth it.

 

[SBMech]

I'm about done with Cali....Flying to Texas soon to get the wifey on board. Just to get away from Franchise Tax Board it will be worth it.

You spelled that wrong, it's spelled LEGALMAFIACALIF. Fucking legal strongarm tactics.

 

[spectra3279]

I wonder at what point it will be cheaper to have a generator and battery backup instead of buying from the communist/monopoly utilities. I have one foot out the door in this state, but my utility is .41 per kilowatt. The midwest states are .07 per kilowatt. The powers that be will push until the consumers push back. The problem with CA is all the voters just vote yes on everything and complain later. At some point you would think they would start readying what they voted for.

Kinda hard to read when your dead. Not much light in the coffins

 

[bentprops]

The same people responsible for net metering 3.0 now want to force multi metered properties to sell their solar generated power to the utility first and buy electricity back at a higher rate. This is regardless if you own the panels or not.

California proposes “blatant seizure of property” in solar ruling

The California Public Utilities Commission is set to vote on a virtual net energy metering program that would force renters to sell solar generation to the utility and buy it back at a higher rate, outlawing them from consuming their electricity directly.

pv-magazine-usa.com

Talk about the ultimate scam. Force everything to move to green energy. Have the consumer fund the new power generation. Make all new construction have a solar requirement. Then remove all benefit to the consumer.

You have to choices, slavery which you are already 90% there or war.

 

[bentprops]

Gavin Newsucm chewsoncum or what ever, is an Enemy of the state. He does not work for you. He works for the WEF and was one of there young global leaders. You can bet 1/2 of the other jackwaggons work for them as well.